Hoyer: Patriots shouldn’t make change for change’s sake

[@rogerappleby1258]

It's so refreshing to listen to someone, Hoya who is so knowable in so many ways and football is such a complimated sport that there are many, many things to consider. I'm a fan of giving Mayo and BVP a second year!

[@SD-zx1uh]

Big fan of having Brian on the podcast, keep it up!

[@gusserks5609]

Brian knows more about the NFL than any Patriots fan could dream of. I think we should listen to his advice and not start acting like every historically bad team.

[@justinvigeant3639]

Nothing will appease the customers unless it's a full clean house off-season

[@lylejohnson5549]

Great conversation and analysis. Go Milton! Good chance for fans to see a regular season game they would not normally be able to afford tickets for.

[@oliviaf171]

Great job Brian class act your spot on !!!!

[@user-vg2eg7oo5n]

Robert Kraft wanted a head coach that would be his friend. He got it. The Young Thundercat & Mayo Show continues in 2025.

[@Sna35477]

@user-vg2eg7oo5n chose another team then because nobody give a shit about how u feel

[@Tubotini]

The two emerging stars on the Boston sports scene in 2024...Drake Maye and Brian Hoyer. Man, is he good...sanity, clarity, and genuine expertise.

[@65marshy]

Great work by Brian here

[@BillViall]

Last year the Patriots' defense wasn't a problem. This year it is a big problem, and that's Mayo's side of the ball. I believe Mayo has shown no ability to lead or scheme a game. I don't understand what Mayo provides. It seems these guys are saying the Patriots are wedded to Mayo, but happily I'm not wedded to the Patriots.

[@JJ_5289]

They wanted him to come in and be a "players coach". Which is fine. But at some point somebody needs to step up and make decisions. This collobaritive idea between all the players and coaches doesnt work. But they dug themelves into a hole by saying it was gonna be a collabarative effort from day one

[@theblackflame4002]

Not to defend Mayo, but people need to stop idolizing last year's defense, they played horrible QB's almost all year and lost to any decent one they played.

[@JJ_5289]

Absolutely. And part of that was belicheck himself being completely petty and trying to manipulate everyone into thinking he got such great performance out of these players compared to mayo. It wasnt good enough for more than 4 wins. Really since brady left belicheck has tried to manipulate those stats to make it look like nothing is his fault

[@jayy88]

@@theblackflame4002finally someone else who watched the games last year. It’s so annoying how everyone keeps saying the defense was good last year. Sure vs Tommy Devito and Zack Wilson and Trever Simien it looked decent. But what about vs Dak Carr Mahomes Tua twice Allen twice and Hurts. This fanbase just regurgitates what the media tells them.

[@keithwilbur2589]

The irony of Curran's last comment. "Imagine needed a QB now" and gasping.. From the guy who thought trading down last year was the best option. I know he's admitted he was wrong, but it was absolutely idiotic the moment he first said it. Admitting it doesn't make it any less stupid.

[@Bigchupapi1]

Did Mayo pay hoyer for PR

[@jayy88]

@@Bigchupapi1 crazy how the guys that actually played (Hoyer Ted Zo Fauria) blame the talent and the fans and media who know far less blame the coaches? I wonder who’s more right 🤦

[@scottohara9001]

Should make changes because this is a clown show organization

[@nathancawley6944]

No, the Jets, Jags, and Bears are clown shows. We're a rebuilding organization that still has a lot to figure out. There is a big difference.

[@DMKFACTOR]

making a change is EXACTLY what clown show teams like the Jets and Panthers are know for! What to be a fan of those types of teams? Unless you ABSOLUTELY have a deal in place with Vrabel you can’t move off Mayo, or it’ll be Frank Riech or Ron Rivera here next year! I went through the Dicky Mac days, trust me you don’t want that again! Plus for a kid like Maye’s develpoment, you don’t make the change! Look at what Caleb Williams looks like after the switch at OC and HC!

[@Sna35477]

​@DMKFACTOR dude u make no sense and u must of just start watching football and became a patriots fan! First off bill bellicheck won 4 games last year and he is the beat coach to coach the game! And yall expected jerod to come in there and take us to the playoffs with the same exact roster except for the QBs! We need talent! Coaches coach players player meaning jerod can coach them but if there not doing there job who fault is it? We need a new DC and gm! Put vrable with this same roster and see him coach better than bellicheck

[@DMKFACTOR]

@@Sna35477 Bro, I wouldn’t be commenting on anything anyone says with your inability to spell and form coherent sentences!

[@DMKFACTOR]

@@Sna35477 Anytime you want to compare knowledge hit me up! Gladly make you look like the Gen zero you truly are!

[@yalesdy]

Very interesting conversation.

[@gnizzit4928]

As die-hard Pat fans, we definitely know Mayo needs to go. But we should probably pump the brakes to do our best to find the right coach. While Vrabel seems like a good option, Iets remember he was 6-18 in his last 24 games also with a team that was undisciplined, ranking 28th in penalties for 2 years. I'm not saying Vrabel isn't an option, I'm just saying we should look at ALL options this time around.

[@IncreaseYourPatience]

Great points - Thanks for the insight

[@Urfeelingsdontmatter]

Now would be a good time to mention his starting qb got injured halfway during the season and thats why the titans lost their last 7 games in a row in 2022 and was injured much of 2023 as well. Before he was injured in 2022, the titans were 7-3 and vrabel had 4 straight winning seasons before that. Kind of odd you left that out as you cherry picked the losing streak

[@theblackflame4002]

I agree, honestly I would think about bringing Flores back. He did a decent job in Miami and he's done great things for the Vikings D

[@jayy88]

@@Urfeelingsdontmatterso once the talent wasn’t as good his record wasn’t as good? What do you think I’m his record would be with this roster. And what does that have to do with the penalties

[@nexigram]

This idea that Patriots fans just want change for the sake of change to punish a 3 win season is actually starting to piss me off. It's not the roster. We knew it was bad ahead of time. It's the poor coaching and horrendously bad draft.

[@edbrit4893]

Agree. They should change the HC for Vrabel because mayo has failed by every metric. D sucks, no or screwed up in game decisions, poor situational judgment, mixed messaging, inaccurate lineup statements on game day. Total failure!!! You found the QB, so have to fix the coaching now. Hire Vrabel and let him select his staff. Keep Wolfe only if Vrabel thinks he is the best choice for GM.

[@HoodedAlchemy]

If you fire Mayo you have to fire Wolfe he he has 100% control on who's on the roster

[@Triton63]

Yeah, bring in the .500 coach. That'll fix it.

[@Raizhen010]

@@Triton63 .500 with mediocre to bad QB play is impressive actually.

[@keithwilbur2589]

​@@Triton63.500 Coach that's been voted coach of the year for the phenomenal job he did despite not having a QB and average roster.

[@Triton63]

@@keithwilbur2589 Okay, okay. I've always liked Vrabel. His perfect touchdowns for target says so much about the man. He takes full advantage of opportunities. I still think the Krafts give Mayo 2025. If mid season next year looks like this year he will be fired for sure.

[@Jack-ms3so]

I think Brian Hoyer would be a great QB coach!

[@amstel5468]

I thought Mayo and Covington would at least field a middle of the pack defense. Its "Vrabel time" 😎

[@jcstarhawk7536]

Good luck in getting him

[@Oldguard_8]

Jerod deserves every bit of the blame and is anything but a smart guy - 20 years playing and coaching 1 position and you call him a smart guy? See those adjustments Mayo made? See the scheme, x/o's he put up to help that defense return intact from last year's top-10 performance to this year's bottom 5? Want to do some real reporting? Find out why 8 OC's turned down the job and refused to work with/for Mayo - esp after the reported 'didn't talk about football at all'.

[@BaronVonMunch]

Mayo knows how to kiss up to people. That's his skill.

[@jayy88]

I saw him double Ladd and have him still score a touchdown. Tell me how that’s on the coaches?

[@ironPatriots48]

I swear, people make comments and absolutely don't know what they're talking about 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jamesfontes9292]

I think it's clear Mayo stinks as a head coach that's why you make a change. Take a pencil and paper and write down what Mayo does well. What do you have ? We know the roster stinks but we are talking about coaching players

[@Paul-717]

a blank piece of paper

[@vincentgiovannucci4048]

My paper is still blank after 2 hours.

[@christiantrinidade9150]

Good show Gents!

[@AdrianRuiz-wg2qp]

Still trying to sell Mayo to us😂

[@Snap-Time]

That should tell fans that Kraft has no plans of moving on from this disaster.

[@donwalker8246]

Pats should hire Hoyer as QB coach

[@itsjoefaria]

Make Ben Johnson the head coach. The best offensive mind in football. Also let’s not forget how cheap Robert Kraft is. You don’t have Tom Brady to save you anymore. Spend the goddamn money!!

[@LeeBrown-l9o]

Frankly, I'd have more faith in Hoyer as HC than the current bum we have. At least he was a QB and has been around the league and doesn't spout off at the mouth.

[@xRx39]

When Tom e Curran is defending mayo u know craft isn’t getting rid of him

[@xRx39]

so my guess by this podcast is that mayo is 100% back

[@BaronVonMunch]

He is Kraft's #1 lying shill. Doesn't hurt that Curran loves to give massages too.

[@christiantrinidade9150]

Good stuff. I want to see Joe Milton play this Sunday. Showcase Milton and maybe they can get another 2nd or 3rd for him.

[@DMKFACTOR]

No way, keep that kid as a back up! His skill set is perfect to be a back up for Drake!

[@stephenmartin6430]

This is a great idea! It would be awesome if we could get a 2 or 3!

[@HoodedAlchemy]

You are not going to get a 2nd or 3rd for Milton off of one game 😂

[@stephenmartin6430]

Let's hire people with a proven track record of success! we have a solid OC, but the DC and HC are over matched. This organization has done those two no favors. What is going on behind closed doors? It seems like top people don't want to come here. We have insane cap space, top picks, and a promising young QB, coaches should be knocking the doors down trying to get this job. Why don't people want to come here?

[@LeeBrown-l9o]

No. AVP is not an elite OC. If there is one thing all successful teams have in common, it is that they all have top notch minds calling plays on offense. AVP can coach, but nothing in his record suggests that he is a top offensive mind. It is the one staffing position where you cannot settle for less, in my view.

[@Orcasrule6355]

@@LeeBrown-l9oHe’s better than Mcdaniels & O’Brien. I’m sick of these Patriot coaching retreads

[@LeeBrown-l9o]

@@Orcasrule6355 agreed. but, we can do better (if we dump mayo). I wouldn't oppose AVP staying on staff however.

[@stephenmartin6430]

@@LeeBrown-l9o i agree completely!

[@dwayneroberts6616]

We need an offense that can shoot it out with anyone. I'd pay 80 % of my attention to the offense in the draft. Id let the defense suffer for a year if I had to just to build my offense into a juggernaut. Once you get your offense built then you can worry about the defense. This is an offensive league now the whol game favors the offense.

[@Orcasrule6355]

💯

[@LeeBrown-l9o]

you are goddam right Dwayne!

[@danmalin2935]

You have to have hope at the end of the season. Do you get that keeping Mayo as the head coach?

[@littlenugs9942]

There is no attraction to come to New England. Taxes, less than favorable facilities, GM, Coaching, Players, and now Ownership.... Mr. Robert Kraft won't do what needs to be done! That's bringing in Vrabel and letting him choose the GM. That way it's a long marriage. If I was the GM this is what I'd do. DK Metcalf for our second round pick (30mil yr) Tee Higgins (37.5 mil 5 yr). Draft Travis Hunter. Then set up a trade to get back into the second round to take J. Simmons LT Ohio State. Let him compete with who ever you bring in to shell up the left side of the o-line. 3 round DE the defense needs help.... Best of luck Patriots see you next season

[@kwakyi]

Being able to identify piss poor coaching should be a requirement for pundits. Nathanial Hackett showed he was in over his head. Denver Fired him mid season, the next year, immediate improvement. This year, Denver is in the playoffs. Denver was also in Cap hell after the Wilson fiasco and had no QB. Still had immediate improvement with Sean Payton. Mayo needs to be fired immediately

[@BaronVonMunch]

They are shills for Kraft and Kraft wants to save money. Anyone thinking these guys analyze for the sake of the audience will be sadly disappointed. Lying to fans is what they are paid to do. Sadly, that is the most sellable thing the media has to offer.

[@Paul-717]

Yup fire him before the last game or better yet at half time

[@ronhfree]

#firemayo

[@reganderson9721]

I understand you guys wanting Vrabel but he lost 10 and 11 games his last two years with the Titans. I think ita more about who is making personal decisions

[@dramatyst5661]

He lost that many games because the GM made moves that hurt the roster had nothing to do with his coaching look it up

[@augustmoon0004]

So you're blaming Vrabel's bad record on a bad roster, but not blaming Mayo's record on an even worse roster? 😂

[@Snap-Time]

@@augustmoon0004 Tell us more about that time Jerod Mayo beat Tom Brady and Bill Belichick in the Wild Card round of the playoffs.

[@dramatyst5661]

@@augustmoon0004 Mayo can't coach, he can't make in game adjustments, he just sits on the sideline looking like a confused 🤡 Vrabel can actually coach and has led teams to the playoffs

[@Raizhen010]

@@augustmoon0004 Patriots are doing things that don't make any sense coaching wise. We have players like Polk going around social media constantly bragging about how amazing he is as the worst wr in football. We have we're starting Gibson over Stevenson and suddenly Stevenson starts. We have a defense that still, to this point, is not passing off rub and pick routes on 3rd and short and still just locking coverage. We still have a complete lack of proper route spacing on offense. Free rushers as the line. We have a coach who continuously deflects blame instead of starting with I didn't coach well enough. Mayo isn't even close to Vrabel's league. Vrabel never behaved that way during a bad season with a bad roster and the Titans weren't failing basic communication all the time on the field.

[@Myriad861]

I hear the spend money sign people argument, why do they want to come here? Lame duck coach if Mayo stays, why do I want to sign here? I’m not getting better as a player under Mayo and company.

[@Buttas30]

Real one

[@billnoi]

FIRE MAYO

[@erikanderson2421]

Pats lucked into Maye the way they lucked into Brady. Kraft has NO idea what he's doing and Jonathan is going to be even worse. For the 6 superbowls we won Pats fans must suffer for the next 20 years it just the way it goes. RIP Drake Maye

[@joerosa2532]

Hoyer was always considered as a player/coach by Belichick and that's why he kept him around as the back-up QB for so many years. They should have hired him as QB coach or even as an Asst. OC!

[@mikechan231]

It’s not just the roster. It’s the coaching staff. Week after week there are schematic breakdowns and the opposing team has their way with the team. I get the idea of giving a person time to figure things out but this is different-who are his coordinators going to be? Can Mayo even identify a good coordinator? it was his idea to hire Covington, we’re getting the run off from past Browns teams. What kind of success did they have? They’re turning Drake into Mac with this coaching staff.

[@tonystarks7722]

I hear u hoyer big question is who want to come play for mayo , or covington or even AVP even though u might be the scapegoat

[@pedrohippocaus8488]

They shouldn’t make change for changes sake,They should make change for the sake of change.Tired of losing.

[@jackthequarterback]

I would be okay going 0-17 next year if I didn’t have to watch walk it back Mondays with Mayo every week. Dude looked lost and now he looks lost and depressed. It’s sad.

[@stephenmartin6430]

The front office guys have gone ghost! Where is Wolf? Where are the Krafts? I don't want to hear what Robert has to say, I want to hear what Johnathon has to say!

[@MrFagawi]

the thing is wea re missing out on Mayes"cheap" years if we stick with what we have as couches

[@nigelcarreiro6630]

I absolutely disagree with Hoyer's sentiment about "If you believed in Jerod a year ago, then you should ignore the noise and stick with him." That is a horrendous way to run a business. You have watched him operate as the head man for a year. Certainly, you had some expectations and goals you set to judge his performance by. This is business 101 stuff. How did he perform against the goals that were set? I'm not even talking about wins/losses. There had to be a set of internal goals for him to meet in his first year. Robert has to remove how he feels about Jerod from the equation and honestly assess how Mayo has performed as head of the team versus what was expected in the first year.

[@guineacatarmy]

Hoyer is never going to talk bad about mayo, its his friend. Hes got a serious bias. Please fans, dont spend money on this team! Make them feel it in their wallets.

[@heathhersom6579]

Tom Curren - "It's been a major disservice. They really should be a little bit ashamed of themselves. They've allowed Jerod to stand out there week after week, day after day, press conference after press conference and take all the slings and arrows with nobody articulating any kind of a vision. Yes, Jerod's a smart guy. Yes, he can articulate his particular positions." They need to teach a guy who's been around football his whole life, worked in media, won an Emmy, and worked in business how to speak to the media? He's the head coach. How does HE not have a vision for this team? How come every time someone asks him a question he can't articulate his positions and normally gets himself in even more trouble. It's amazing that everything you said was wrong. Just move on, please. Great guy but he wasn't ready.

[@heathhersom6579]

Don't make us boo and call for his job for 17 games next year. We just want a good team. We haven't had a good team in 5-6 years, haven't had a good offense in 7-8 years, and now our defense is bottoming out.

[@jayy88]

@@heathhersom6579that’s because of the GM. Teams don’t win and lose because of coaches. Look at Bill Belichick last year or the Eagles this year. I don’t see Nick Siriani running for 2,000 yards

[@heathhersom6579]

@jayy88 Even if you were right (you're not) and coaching didn't matter. I still want Jerod gone. I like coaches that I would want to play for. Mayo has no fire or passion. He's boring. Mike Vrabel at least acts like he gives a shit.

[@jayy88]

@ Vrabel also sucked once the talent went away. Does Andy Reid seem like he has fire? So you want Nick Siriani who fights with fans 😂 I guess but I guarantee if he was here instead of Philadelphia with all that talent you’d say he looks like a moron for fighting with fans and players.

[@heathhersom6579]

@jayy88 There's a level of nuance you're missing. I would want to play for competent coaches that have fire. You said coaching didn't matter so I was strictly talking about their emotion. If you want to talk about competence and fire than the guys I would want to play for are Vrabel, Shanahan, McVay, Harbaughs.

[@HealthMovementPodcast]

I understand that if you feel like Mayo is the right guy you need to give him time. I fully agree, but I haven’t heard one argument for WHY anyone thinks he is the right guy. (I’m open-minded and would love to hear the other side of this. Please give specific examples, though, not just excuses justifying why it’s been bad. No generic statements. What has gotten better?) He seems like a solid person, but the product on AND off the field has gotten worse in the last year. At some point, you have to be willing to admit you were wrong and go in another direction.

[@Snap-Time]

That's over - he got time. He had his chance and failed miserably.

[@aDankPoptart]

So we run it back with Jerod, and it's a similar result, who is going to be available of Vrabels caliber?

[@jet0819]

Change for change sake? How about change for incompetence’s sake? The excuse making by Hoyer 🤮

[@hollywood9817]

When the Pats drafted Kyle dugger with their first pick after Brady retired I knew for a fact the organization had no interest of winning or being a competitive team. Couple years later here we are in the spot to draft the #1 pick year after year

[@kronsYT]

Should make change because we have a clear upgrade at an important position within the team that is lacking significantly. Its not personal. But there is nothing Mayo does that Vrabel cant do better

[@vincentgiovannucci4048]

Hey Robert and Jonathan, bring back Mayo and I ain’t watching games, no wasted Sunday in Foxboro and no overpriced merch. You better hope there aren’t others who agree with me.

[@reneewilliams5777]

A good punt isn't exciting until your team is actually good

[@obarbeito]

It's pathetic that the only reason Hoyer thinks Mayo should stay is because he thinks that nobody will come here to coach because the Krafts fire a mediocre coach. The question should be what good or great player will want to come play for a mediocre HC. The Jets stayed with Gase 2 years, that set them back, Saleh 4 years, that will set them back and Todd Bowles 4 years, that also set them back. The point is that sticking to long with mediocrity instead of getting rid of it will set you back

[@BaronVonMunch]

Did that idiot say that? Yeah, no one would want to play for a new coach like Vrabel. Hoyer is a lying you know what. So bad at football that he has to do this crap just to make money. He has always been a loser and will always be a loser. Should write it on his headstone if he could afford one.

[@9danielman]

He’s got a point. Yes the defense has been awful. There’s been injuries and it’s not like the roster is great. They should fire Defensive Coordinator though

[@readinsteadbyjake]

Hoyer is the most insightful person who talks about the Pats. Period.

[@paulhammond2245]

It's the Kraft Family. They knew that no experience = bad season.

[@barry7920]

I am with Hoyer, Maye and others who advocate giving the current coaching staff another year. The team hasn't really taken off, but the roster has been regularly ranked at or near the bottom of the league, including by analytics-heavy organizations - so you shouldn't be shocked if you're not even getting mediocre performance - it's not even a mediocre roster! Shooting from the hip and firing people quickly is the easy answer but I don't think it's likely to take you anywhere, and players need some consistency and stability in leadership and direction. At least keep Mayo and AVP... maybe think about exchanging Elliot Wolf or DeMarcus Covington - *IF* there's someone available that you have good reason to believe is better and that you'd be able to hire them. Instability and churn are not an organization's friend.

[@JohnBarron-n]

I agree, but I do think they should make a change to change it up.

[@Solitaryhunter1]

If the Krafts make a coaching change ans bring in Vrabel and McDaniels they should seriously look at Hoyer as Asst. QB coach.

[@daneaton8567]

I strongly disagree with Brian’s argument that Jerod would have done better with 2019’s roster. There are players like Tavai, Dugger, Wise, etc. who have played much better in the past than they have this year. Not only have most young players not taken steps forward, there are several veteran players who have taken steps backward! Jerod simply was not ready for this, this is Kraft’s fault and he needs to fix this by conducting a real search for a new HC. You don’t want to listen to us “stupid fans” fine, but we know what winning football looks like and this is the polar opposite. If they run it back with Mayo and scapegoat the OC, I’m afraid we are heading toward extremely dark times next season, when this anger turns into apathy.

[@Solitaryhunter1]

What Hoyers missing is they made the wrong decision with Mayo to begin with. He didn't have the experience to merit being Krafts choice for HC.

[@davemccall9408]

Brian Hoyer absolutely should be on the Pats payroll in some sort of a advisory roll (at the very least)! He could be comfy just doing podcasts, but i love his insight to both the Pats needs and the trends of the modern game. VERY intelligent guy!

[@Paul-717]

If they make a change it won't be for the sake of change it'll be because it's desperately needed

[@tonystarks7722]

Why isn't hoyer on this team instead we got brissett

[@TheTonyFigueroa]

Kraft will not fire Mayo. If we have another terrible season, Mayo might be in jeopardy. But even if we "improve" to a "better losing record" than our curr ent 3 and 13 , say 7 and 10 in 2025, the narrative will be that we're improving and still rebuilding.

[@UltimaKombat]

Hoyer’s great

[@daysofourtime]

Not making a change when you fkd up (Mayo) is worse

[@jinavl]

B ho is doing a fantastic job 👍

[@JR-nq7mc]

Hire Hoyer as QB coach. Yesterday.

[@paulvierra3902]

Sunday we need more of the same Stevenson fumble Lowe miss blocks and penalties Jacobs the same and Maye a couple interceptions!!!

[@guineacatarmy]

Kraft is too arrogant to fire mayo. He cant admit he was wrong. I wont spend a dime on the patriots next season! Thats how we make them feel the pain that we feel!

[@george474747]

The GM's had 5 years to prove what an influence he has on the organization. Over 5 years, they've become worse and worse and worse. He's not going to stop being abysmal. All he offers are excuses.

[@SkeletorsSon]

34:00 you are not the world Hoyer there was more ppl watching the NBA than the NFL in China alone. Yes the NFL is great but America is not the only place that exists.

[@kyleparfait61]

What other organization has this super chummy "family loyalty" dynamic between ownership and the head coach? That and almost every media member seems really hesitant to call out the totality of poor coaching with Mayo. Mayo may be a decent leader, but his depth of inexperience looks to be beyond what can be gained by "learning on that job." Yeah, it's not fair that he had a crap roster, but the performance this year goes beyond just bad talent. It actually might the BEST thing for Mayo to go bounce around the league as a true D-Coordinator for a few years to get some other perspectives AND to network with others around to better set himself up for the next gig if his true aspirations are to be a legit head coach in the NFL.

[@guineacatarmy]

Ya hes right, bring mayo back for another year! That way when he sucks next year, you will make more excuses for him. When he finally gets fired, vrabel and johnson will be gone! Good call kraft!

[@Gilmore7632]

Thank you Brian, at least someone has some sense in Massachusetts. Everyone wants a quick fix because they are so used to winning. Sometimes you have to be careful for what you wish for you might get your worst nite mare

[@SkeletorsSon]

Yeah competent coaching is everyone's nightmare 🤡

[@Orcasrule6355]

I was all for giving him another chance right up until the chargers game. We all knew the offense would struggle with a rookie QB. But the problem is the defense has gotten worse. I’m not a fan of the scheme. They should be playing zone. Mayo should at least be competent in defense & he’s not. I could call a better defense & I only coach high school football

[@heathhersom6579]

Boycott if they dont clean house.

[@ronhfree]

This is a bad sign when Curran is waffling on Mayo. Loyalty to krafts clouds his judgement. #firemayo

[@arthurwatt5162]

Rather hunter but maybe mcmillian but we need coaching changes.

[@ronhfree]

Back up QBs are now giving tips on how to run NFL franchises. That’s another red flag! No one’s coming to NE until Mayo is gone! This ship is headed for the rock’s!

[@leodrosia4369]

We will suck next year anyways so let mayo get us another top pick

[@Calinons]

Its not just for changes sake, dont look a gift horse in the mouth and beg if you have to for Vrabel to come save us. He wont be available for the 26 season because you needed to waste another year to find out Mayo really is this bad.

[@ironPatriots48]

Fun Fact: If the patriots do well in the draft, make good signings in free agency, and are a winning playoff team, with this coaching staff, everyone crying about 1 year of a new coach, will be kissing their behinds and happy. So glad the nfl doesn't go by this idiotic mindset of firing coaches after 7 games or 1 year. It wasn't like this team has been dynamic for the past 4 years,but you blame Mayo😂😂😂

[@dwayneroberts6616]

Oh for the love of God not Hoyer too. "Come on man" stop with the Mayo should be back BS! This is the worst coached team in the NFL. The entire front office and coaching staff should be fired immediately after the Buffalo game.

[@Paul-717]

If you want it straight check out Bedard

[@WrathMania32]

Yeah don’t worry Hoyer, it’s not for Change’s sake

[@jackthequarterback]

You make changes because the least qualified HC in nfl history looks like he could be the worst HC in history. Dude sucks, fanbase is sick of looking at his dumbfounded face on the sidelines. The worst thing that could possibly happen if you replace him with vrabel is Mayo becomes a great coach 10 years from now. I’m okay with that lmao. I don’t care if we suck next year with vrabel at least then it wouldn’t feel like organizational decisions are made because a drunk 80 year old billionaire had a special feeling on vacation with a former player.

[@josephramos7120]

Tell Hoyer to Get His Prescription Checked for His Eyeglasses and to stop being sour over being beaten out by Zappe for the 2nd string Backup to Mac Jones in '24 This guy's opinion holds zero weight with me and the majority of the fan base. I would rather people and former players be honest about how bad and how much worse this season was than any of the seasons in the past 30 seasons. Wake up Hoyer and stop trying to sugar coat the disaster that is the Patriots Preparation week to week, constant Penalties & Lack-Luster player energy / game plan / halftime adjustments. Most NCAA College teams could Beat this Patriots Team and it's not because of lack of Talent. They were a top 10 Defense in Points Allowed last season and that was with Mac Jones throwing Interception and Fumble Parties the 1st half of the season putting the Defense in short field situations over and over again, and the defense still finished #9 overall in points allowed under great coaching, preparation, X's & O's / halftime adjustments. Imagine last seasons Defense, with Drake Maye at QB, they would have been a top 3 Defense in Points Allowed and make the playoffs with ease. Horrible Hoyer, come on, I respect honesty, not playing favorites and politics. Come on Hoyer, "Do your Job."

[@tonystarks7722]

U know it's bad when a coach lose the locker room , and the fans ,

[@Paul-717]

....and the games

[@jimmybcards]

I’m still not that impressed with Maye.Kid chokes in pressure situation and constantly makes errors. Especially when I see rookie QBs like Jayden and Bo Nix out playing him.

[@productrecall5183]

Love hoyer but strongly strongly disagree about giving mayo another shot. What tf has he shown to give you confidence that he knows what he's even doing, or that this is getting better ?? They haven't showed an ounce of progress, not anywhere. Drake maye has improved that it, but that has nothing to do with mayo. His side of the ball is atrocious. Players haven't developed, shits getting worse. A coach who has IT will start to show improvement as the first year goes on. Even if you're not winning, you can SEE the improvement. We haven't seen ANY improvement whatsoever, they've gotten worse as the year went on. He is so lost. He is not ready to be a head coach and pushing him along for year 2 won't make him any better. He has NO experience other than being a CO DC for a few years and even then He was hardly that as well as linebacker coach. Only reason he got the Job is he was a fav of kraft. Which you never hire based on that. That's a golden rule! They did so much wrong last year and they're going to repeat the same shit. Idk if I can even watcchc

[@seanbrock1506]

Wolfe needs to go based off the Ladd trade alone. Mayo is not qualified as a head coach!! Everybody must go or fans need to STOP buying tickets to the games

[@craigmichael5869]

Mayo is fine. Stop acting like complaining loudly will improve the team. Step by step, with Mayo is going well, stop being NFL football Karens.

[@paulletendre425]

Let's trade everybody ....clean slate what we got loose even the quaterback

[@Orcasrule6355]

Maye is the only bright spot on this team

[@instacomclub7099]

I want to fire mayo. More they way he behaves rather the coaching. I think his charachter is not ideal. Too many dumb things happening. That being said i give Hoyer credit. Nonetheless as much knowledge he has. All the things he know couldnt apply them to his game. He could be a great coach though

[@bobqzzi]

The only thing that pleases the customers is winning. Keeping Mayo seems the best option for next year. Belichick was 6-10 in 1991, 5-11 in 1995, 4-13 in 2023. Was he a bad coach in those years?

[@trentonpearsall2598]

Another friend of mayo pod... woof

[@Zetler]

This team lost Bill and Tom. This is like the Chiefs losing Mahomes and Reid. Welcome to the dark ages.