HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus v Gen10 Hardware Differences Overview

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We take the previous generation MicroServer Gen10 and the brand new HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus and do a side-by-side teardown to show you the hardware differences between the two small servers. The HPE MicroServer Gen10 v. Gen10+ differences go well beyond size. The HPE MicroServer Gen10 Plus has substantial new differences including a return of iLO and a socketed Intel Xeon or Intel Pentium processor to bring back some of the magic found in the MicroServer Gen8 series.
Our full review is coming focused on the Gen10+ model. In the meantime, we wanted to show off the side-by-side comparison with the HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus v Gen10 hardware so you can see that delta clearly. Stay tuned to STH for the full review on this new server from Hewlett Packard Enterprise.

[@Aaronage1]

Nice rundown, thanks! The old Opteron SoC was awful, glad to see that replaced Can't help but think the Epyc embedded line would've been a better choice than LGA 1151. Many people are asking "Can I upgrade this to 8 cores?", so it seems clear a 16C Epyc embedded option would have been popular.

[@steven44799]

If they had added an m.2 slot even if it was only wired for x2 pci-e that would have easily made up for the removal of the 5th sata port.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Totally agree. We brought this up to the product team. They are aware of the ask.

[@steven44799]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo do you have access to a QNAP QM2-2P10G1TA (pci-e gen 2 x4 card with 1x Aquantia AQC107 10gbe base T and 2x pci-e x2 m.2 2280 sockets all on a single HHHL card)? while it would be nice if it was pci-e gen 3, it should be enough for better than gigabit speeds with the benefit of SSD cache so you can still have 4x 3.5" storage drives.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

@@steven44799 Yes. There are a lot of caveats though. William has a formal review of that card that will be published as well.

[@tuttocrafting]

Gen8s are still the best microserver released.

[@karakal000]

Why? Best to gen10?

[@ShaferHart]

​@@karakal000 it had iLO4 and was way more extensible. gen8 is only let down by graphics processing.. which sucked regardless of CPU used. Of course that was never the purpose for the thing but you know that some are using it as a NAS replacement.

[@ryantaylor6530]

just a tip for the next time you do one of these; you don't have to keep referring to the two servers by there full name over and over again, you can just call it "the original" and "the plus" or something like that so the audience knows which one you are referring to.

[@nigelwilliams449]

God yes - It was starting to sound like a marketing video!

[@colinstu]

Much better sound quality in this vid. And very neat server! HP is hitting it out of the park pretty much.

[@PWingert1966]

I am glad they listened to their customers and implemented the changes we want and need.I didn't buy any Gen 10 servers (we were looking at 40 of them) due to the lack of ILO. The costs of sending someone on site was prohibitive. Not everything can be done on virtual servers in the cloud affordably. A lot of our offices are in small remote locations with little to no internet service.

[@mohdfaizal6773]

Better chassis, so far. Although I have not touched a dell one yet

[@lapptech]

I love my Gen 8 MS with 4x8TB, 16GB RAM running FreeNAS, but it's full so I need to build another NAS as well.

[@mohdfaizal6773]

Lol, what's been hoarded?

[@lapptech]

@@mohdfaizal6773 4K Vacation movies ;)

[@mohdfaizal6773]

@@lapptech hope there's a raid back up. Lols. N u owned a flying drone?

[@kennethdarlington]

@@mohdfaizal6773 raid is not a backup!

[@SunnyAustria]

Very very good Video!! Im glad that i skipped the Gen10. This is now something i can replace my Gen8s. Congratulations to HPE, finally back to the roots.

[@ewenchan1239]

Can't wait to read about this system in greater detail on your STH main site. (As of 13:28 ET, the review hasn't been published yet). Soon....

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Hi Ewen. We have the side-by-side teardown article on the STH main site (it takes a few minutes to propagate.) The full review we are aiming for around March 11. It is taking awhile since we are adding so much to the system and testing different configurations. Instead of making that review a comparison piece, we are moving the comparison to this separate piece.

[@ewenchan1239]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thank you. I look forward to reading about it.

[@Trippy-Trains]

I’ll wait for the full review but maybe this will be good for a budget FreeNAS build

[@180doman]

Most probably it wont be budget solution

[@someother7568]

Missed the mark again. These are mostly used for lab scenarios. The right microserver would be single socket up to 16 cores, up to 128 GB of RAM, 2x 10Gb + 2x 1Gb Ethernet. It needs to be designed to scale to supporting a full VMware or OpenStack cloud lab.

[@QuentinStephens]

I'm most interested in seeing your follow-up, particularly with regards to the fifth drive. I too would like to see better processors tried, particularly the Xeon E-2278GEL if that is compatible. That said, I'm not so keen on your comparison with the old Gen 10 which was - for me - a waste of space; I'd rather see comparisons with the Gen 8.

[@qw-]

that's a very expensive cpu! but the problem is.. how do you get it? looks like something sold to oem only

[@Xerimarion]

Please please make video about gen 11. I have gen 8 that is daying and I am thinking about new one. Looks really promising!

[@nelizmastr]

Already ordered a Gen10+ to replace my Gen10. While it was good enough for the most part, being stuck running Windows Server with a GUI and the Hyper-V role so I could monitor my SMART values was just a pain and a half. I'll be glad to move it back to VMware and adding the iLO card once it's available (not yet atm).

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

HPE part number P13788-B21 is working its way through the channel. We have that noted in a caption for one of the main site pictures since we figured people will look for it.

[@nelizmastr]

ServeTheHomeVideo thanks for the heads up. Here in the Netherlands, the servers are available as pre order, the iLO kit not quite yet. I did find an early listing, but no order button yet.

[@addx7077]

How much did you pay ?

[@niekdejong1992]

Use the Gen10 as a drive host and use a dedicated RAID controller (P222 or P420) or a HBA with external SAS connector to connect both machines. 8 drive pool, awwyis.

[@jeremysmith54565]

To get around the no optical drive bay, I used a PXE from pfsense and my online web server

[@minibikemadman]

Just got me a 10+ for my poe camera server and a few other vm's. Trying to get it to 64gb of ram.

[@mindorokano]

Be advised if you get the Gen10 V2 version, it is a LGA1200 not LGA1151 socket.

I'm still salty about not being able to get a gen8 before they were discontinued, now it's a rip-off in the used market.

[@Professional_Youtube_Commenter]

yeah, I saw an ebay auction for one, get to $300 on ebay. I'm puzzled as to why someone would pay that for gen8, when they could buy a brand new gen10 for a bit more

[@thatLion01]

Another excellent video. Thank you for posting this. Amazing work

[@TheDesertsweeper]

With redundant power-bricks this thing would be a winner

[@Professional_Youtube_Commenter]

And here's me still running the gen7 n36L

[@ddddeng1989]

state of the art internal design

[@house89147]

hopefully the next one will have 8x 2.5" bays. My ideal world look like: Single socket up to 16 core 8 or 6 should be standard. Quad dimm would be nice 4, 8 or 12 2.5" SSD sas capable slots Pcie port for dedicated raid card 2x 4 lane pcie m.2 Micro SD 2x 1 or 10gb nics Ilo or Ilo slot I am not bothered about the external PSU plenty of pro kit uses external psu's.

[@philipdavis_ie]

Is the LIO port is a PCIE 1X/2X? Wondering how to keep the 16X free for other cards but to be able to add an internal SATA port for an OS drive

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

It is a slightly different offset from the motherboard and according to HPE's block diagram it is not connected via PCIe. Stay tuned. We discussed a solution briefly in our OS testing part of the the MSG10+ full review on STH www.servethehome.com/hpe-proliant-microserver-gen10-plus-review-this-is-super/ We are going to have a 2nd video and 3rd piece in the hands-on series with modifications. Should be live in the next 2 weeks.

[@changyuwang8119]

Let's go visit STH site.

[@Mezhona]

I know this is now an older video, but would it be possible to isntall a gpu (for example a nvidia quadro p400) in this?

[@dwaynerobare1153]

Great Video!!! I would like to build my own NAS for backup and Plex media delivery. I assume you would recommend this unit for this purpose, especially with the option to expand and upgrade features such as a 10gb NIC solution. Thank you!

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We actually have a Plex server piece that is in my editing queue right now. It should get published in a few weeks. One item to keep in mind is that you may want some sort of iGPU or GPU functionality if you want to do a lot of heavy transcoding

[@dwaynerobare1153]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for the reply... That's fantastic! I'm guessing you may have a GPU card that you would recommend if that is the case i'm sure. I was pricing the Synology NAS units and buy the time you populate the unit you might as well build your own allowing myself the option to grow and expand.

[@PWingert1966]

Any idea when it will be available in Canada. The Canadian HPE sit still lists the gen 10 but not the plus. I might replace my HPE DL60 G9 if the numbers are good. I am under utilizing my E5-2609 single processor configuration.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

No idea on CA availability. Likely soon if they are not already starting to get into the channel since they are already available in the US.

[@C3Cooper]

My experience has been that most average adapter trays for SSD drives will not align with the drive bay connectors. Having to order adapter cables.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We have seen that as well. In the HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus Ultimate Customization guide we talk about the HP(E) drive trays that are inexpensive and work well.

[@Bogster13]

I use an adapter from Icybox i think it was called, that has it's own Sata and power interface on it and you mount the SSD inside so the adapter acts like a passthru

[@burnzy3210]

i have a dead in the water gen8 project :(

[@azzibee]

What 10 gbe card would you recommend for the gen 10?

[@dozix88]

Any chance of testing it with a 6/8 core processor and 2x 32GB RAM?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

It just so happens we have a stack of compatible processors: www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-e-2100-and-xeon-e-2200-coverage-from-sth-your-guide/ On the 2x 32GB first 16GBx2 since we have that. I do not think we have 32GB ECC UDIMMs in the lab at the moment. If we can get some, we will try it. Going out-of-spec upgrades may end up bing a third piece.

[@nigelwilliams449]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Its more the memory. The older units supported 16Gb but actually ran 32Gb!

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

@@nigelwilliams449 it just so happens we have 2x 32GB ECC UDIMMs showing up today.

[@louislow5424]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo hi, just curious if you had tested this with 2 x 32gb rams?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

@@louislow5424 We did both ECC and non-ECC as mentioned in the video and in the main site article.

[@nixxblikka]

Such a profound review, and still no mentioning of the size of the fan :-)

[@williamp6800]

He talked about the fan within the first two minutes.

[@nixxblikka]

William Poupore the exact size?

[@redtails]

at this point you can almost use this storage server as your only computer

[@Doctair]

Do you have your solution for not having the 5th Sata port anymore post anywhere? Or a new Vid coming perhaps?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We are going to have something in the next 2 weeks or so both on the main site and on YT on modding the MSG10+ to support a lot more functionality.

[@Doctair]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo excellent thanks!

[@gianfrancobriones]

TPM saved my life from Intellectual Property theft. I am disappointed why TPMs were never out-of-the-box on Proliants, unlike PowerEdge.

[@llynellyn]

Can you put other things in the top x1 slot or is it wired to just work with the iLo card?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

This is just for iLO.

[@tonidawes3524]

It need the ability to install a P408 or equivalent RAID controller

[@JC-yj5xn]

I want 8 BAY...

They're a dime on ye olde ebay so knock yourself out. Microserver, OTOH, keep getting more and more expensive, nothing like the 200€ one could get for a gen8 brand new a few years ago.

[@tadejsadar7033]

@ This. I have N36L. Its quality built machine ,still works. It was dirt cheap. CPU is trash for todays standards though. I just bought used xeon PowerEdge t320 with 8 bay cage. Forget this new toy from HP. Too expensive for what it offers.

[@grocerylist]

64GB ram limitation is pretty disappointing. Any idea if/when gen11 microservers will come out and if they'll support 128GB?

[@grocerylist]

@@DylanClements98 I'd definitely be upgrading to the e2246g it I bought the micro server

[@Ace-rr2tq]

And this this is this

[@karloa7194]

Can you install a 10GbE on the iLo slot and NVIDIA P400 on the x16 slot?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

The iLO slot is not a standard CPU/ PCH PCIe slot. We did not test the P400, but that should work

[@180doman]

Wait. Will i have to pay for iLO license if i buy this additional module?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

You get iLO 5 Essentials with the iLO Enablement Kit. We were testing using an iLO 5 Advanced license without that iLO Enablement Kit

[@DebdutBiswasOnline]

Cool

[@jorisverschoor2957]

Hmm... I'll be in the market for the gen that has: 4dimm slots / 64gb. hotswap, for example 2x3.5" + 2-4x2.5"

[@mscompare1837]

Nice

[@hpsfresh]

Hate it for external psu.

[@mateiberatco500]

I currently switched my miniITX self-built server to a QNAP TS-253Be running the same SW (linux, no QNAP SW here) and the main thing I miss is ECC "peace of mind". But my drop from 40W idle(+1HDD) to 20W is huge for my 2-battery APC UPS. So, I have some questions: 1. what is the idle power consumption with 1 HDD? (with an ECC-enabled CPU) 2. you mentioned DP+Xeon problems....what combination could I get ECC+HDMI with a passive DP-HDMI adapter? Server is near my TV and would double as HTPC. 3. can iLO be completely disabled? My Gen8 microserver takes 5W as soon as I plug the power. Remote console is nice, but I'm looking at every W now.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

It sounds like you want the MicroServer Gen10 not the Gen10 Plus. Here is the Gen 10 review: www.servethehome.com/hpe-proliant-microserver-gen10-review/

[@shambles3833]

External power supply? I'm out

[@heh2k]

Can the plus boot off a USB SSD?

[@chriswy697]

I'm confused, the GPU and DisplayPort don't do anything? I assumed if I install Server 2016 on one of these that I could log in and see the Desktop of the OS by using a monitor with either of the ports, is this not the case?

[@pavelkraev7476]

What kind of HDD Tray Caddy do I need for Gen10 server?

[@ИванБрагин]

HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Minus ;)))))))))))))))))

[@ИванБрагин]

no ILO = no SERVER ;)

@@ИванБрагин it has ILO, just not as full featured as previous versions without expansion board.

[@ИванБрагин]

@ ILO chip inside, ip address will not be visible?

[@MandRakeHD]

@@ИванБрагин yes, until you get iLO Enablement Kit. Без этой опции iLO работать не будет.

[@davidfrisken1617]

Less storage and worse cooling is a plus?

[@qiangtang2656]

actually looks more like a minus than plus…

[@khillz4509]

Dies it support wifi ?

[@qw-]

Too bad that it has a 1151 socket instead of 1200. And no nvme. That's a shame

[@leehyunsong7001]

Why youtube recommended this to me? I am just a gamer