HS227 Herbert Junior Mk2 surface grinder - Part 1

[@Rustinox]

Thats a cute little grinder. A fun project. And I'm sure this is the last machine you'll ever buy... well...

[@bearsrodshop7067]

Now Paul get's to join me & mr Pete in the NGTBA club 😞

[@HaxbyShed]

Yes Michel, I can cross it off the list of machines I don't want. Have a great Christmas.

[@melgross]

We’re all like this. I just bought a surface grinder myself. I can think of a lot of machines I don’t want (don’t believe that!), but I would buy if I had the room. I have an entire list of them.

[@randylemn]

The series with the mill was great. It showed all the problems that can be encountered. Do as many videos as needed to complete the job.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi randylemn, well I'm having challenges with this machine - most are self inflicted due to my lack of knowledge. I'll have to decide how much of that to show. I have no problem sharing my mistakes, it's more that it can be a bit boring to watch. Cheers

[@TheRecreationalMachinist]

Looks like a nice acquisition! Although my need for a surface grinder is negligible, I'd love to be able to produce that lovely ground finish on things I make. Looking forward to the next instalment 👍 🇬🇧

[@HaxbyShed]

The thing is you don't know you need one until you got one, so if you don't get one you may be missing out on something you need 😜

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

Hi Paul. Yes, yes, yes. I am so pleased. When you hinted you had a new machine I hoped it was a surface grinder. How happy am I for you. Please film and release as much footage as possible showing your restoration. Good luck. 👏👏👍😀

[@HaxbyShed]

Andrew I hope you don't regret saying take as much video as possible. There is plenty on the 'reel' already - but I will not video the paint drying even for you mate. I'd be locked up for boring everybody senseless. Cheers

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

@@HaxbyShed Ha ha. Having told Kev (Mr Factotum) that I could watch his paint dry all day I better say the same to you 🫣🥴

[@HaxbyShed]

@@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian Well I did not video any paint drying - if you watched that we'd have to be checking you for a pulse by the end.

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

@@HaxbyShed 🥴😂🤣

[@bostedtap8399]

Another machine rescued by Haxby Shed. Looking forward to seeing its revival Paul, lovely Yorkshire scenery. Thanks for sharing.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi John yes, but pretty wild up there. Luckily we found a sheep from around those parts that knew the way, else we would really have been stuck (no point asking a sheep that's as lost as we were). Cheers

[@bostedtap8399]

@@HaxbyShed , Hi Paul, yes lost sheep are only useful after you have to eat??. I foresee a haxby Shed mod to the hand crank lever, wiper motor upgrade perchance??. best regards John.

[@stephenperry5849]

I think I'll pop one of those onto my wish list! So an in depth review and detailed re-build would be fantastic. Really enjoyed the Harrison mill series.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Stephen, for me the Harrison mill series seemed to go on for ever and ever ..... this one won't be as long but it is causing me a lot of work, which I will show. Cheers

[@jonsworkshop]

Welcome to the world of the surface grinder Paul. Herbert have good pedigree so this will be well made. Looking forward to seeing you tidy it up and start your learning journey. Reach out if you want a sounding board. Cheers, Jon

[@HaxbyShed]

Jon you say that in a knowing sort of way, like the old hound to the young pup. So now I'm making a list of all the things I don't know, and when I find something I don't know then I'll tick it off the list so I know I don't know it. Cheers

[@jonsworkshop]

@@HaxbyShed Sorry Paul if it came across as patronising, that wasn't meant in any way. I made an assumption that I shouldn't have about your previous experience, you know what Ronnie Barker said about 'never ass u me'. Yep, just did it.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Jon, my mistake actually. I don't have any experience, I was only teasing. Did not mean to make you feel uncomfortable. , 😣

[@kens.8834]

A manageable size grinder for a small shop . It's found the right home !

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Ken, it's nice to have it and nice to appreciate it. Cheers

[@davidberlanny3308]

Hi Paul, thats look a great addition to your workshop. I was going to say that it was right out in the sticks but there werent too many trees out that way!! Have a great weekend

[@HaxbyShed]

Yes David it was in the middle of nowhere. The only case I can remember where a hamlet seemed to be less than one property. Luckily we found a couple of local hikers to point the way. I mean, if there is only one house it can only be that house, if you know where to look. Cheers

[@MattysWorkshop]

Very neat grinder Paul, cheers

[@bearsrodshop7067]

Morning Matty, hope they get your chemo cocktail adjusted. It's PET scan Fri for me 🙂

[@HaxbyShed]

Yes Matty, another machine I was not looking for but the circumstances made it an easy decision. Cheers

[@tonyray91]

For a small machine it does look well engineered. I would advise making a safety guard for the end of the table for when your job decide to part with the magnet.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Tony, I did not show it but it comes with a quite a big spark catcher which doubles as a job-part catcher. 😁 Cheers

[@mftmachining]

Congrats, Paul. This unit will widen your possibilities enormously. Regards.

[@HaxbyShed]

Thanks mftm. Have a good Christmas.

[@eyuptony]

Addiction you've succumbed, lol. My sin as well. Great buy, Paul. Those head bearings are shot lol. I turned one of these down once in 1983 FOC. I didn't know what it was at the time. Looking forward to seeing your rebuild videos......Tony

[@HaxbyShed]

Tony you remember it was 1983 then, like was imprinted on your mind. The opportunity I missed, the one that got away, my big regret ..... 😁🤣

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Ahhhhh…. Every man should have a surface grinder I think 🤣🤣🤣 Nice find mate, and I’m looking forward to the rest of this story. Nice trailer btw…. very handy 👍 Regards Robert

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Robert, so far Tony and that trailer have fetched the mill and the grinder. We need to keep it on standby in case there is another machine I don't want. Cheers

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

@@HaxbyShed 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@co1252]

У нас в России малогабаритных станков мало, смотрю и завидую когда заграничные блогеры работают на таких станках. Если даже и есть такие станки то стоят в 2 раза больше чем большие. Поздравляю с приобретением!

[@HaxbyShed]

{We have few small-sized machines in Russia, I look and envy when foreign bloggers work on such machines. Even if there are such machines, they cost 2 times more than larger ones. Congratulations on your purchase!} Hi co1252, Эти небольшие машины часто предназначались для использования в школах и технических колледжах. Они идеального размера для небольшой домашней мастерской. Ваше здоровье {These small machines were often made for use in schools and technical colleges. They are perfect size for the small home workshop. Cheers}

[@co1252]

@@HaxbyShed у нас с советского времени со школ тоже есть станки фрезерный нгф110 и токарный тв7. Есть ещё мифический долбежный станок малых размеров иногда всплывает в продаже но цена космос. Насчёт шлифовальных станков таких размеров не встречал у нас в России. И вам здоровья желаю.

[@HaxbyShed]

@@co1252 Спасибо. Вы смотрите «Машинный цех Лебединой долины» Swan Valley Machine Shop? У Макса есть большой советский фрезерный станок, который он называет Ольга. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nF6afapqpM9sfKc

[@brucematthews6417]

I laughed and laughed and then laughed some more at hearing your opening phrases.... Among the laughing my thoughts were "Ya, right... at hearing your reasonings. And then you described what your buddy said and bust all all over again.... But only because it could easily have been me doing this video if I were a YT'er like you.... :D Hearty congrats and I'm officially envious. Please enjoy it well for all of us that feel the same as me.... :D If the rubber bellows are not already cracking try some automotive rubber and plastics preservative. Inside and out. It'll do a lot towards getting more life out of the originals before you need to worry about replacements.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Brue, I enjoyed reading your comment. If you feel good then I feel good (as a presenter). Cheers

[@paulhammond7489]

Nice acquisition Paul. I'm staying tuned for a future episode - 'Extending Haxby Shed' ;)

[@HaxbyShed]

Paul I have another room on standby just in case ...... would just need to move some other stuff first though. Cheers

[@paulhammond7489]

@@HaxbyShed Sounds like a plan :)

[@anthonyconlon8609]

looking forward to this , surface grinders are great, next thing you will be doing is scraping ways:) definitely one of my favourite shop tools! soon you will be talking tenths of thousandths!

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Anthony - definitely not scraping ways..... I don't think I'm that sort of person. A good machinist should know his/her machines intimately to adjust out and overcome any wear or other shortcomings regardless of extent (tongue in cheek 🤣). Cheers

[@silver3323]

Hi Paul; another interesting video. Thanks. I found a very cheap way of making a tap. I rummaged through my box of dead taps, let a similar one down to soft by heating to red and cooling slowly. I could them machine it easily, after which I hardened and tempered it again. No expensive silver steel needed and it already had a taper and a square to drive it by. I think I must have done some filing on the flutes but I can’t remember now. I commend it to you. All the best, Bill.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Bill that is a very smart way to do it. Now I'm thinking of my biggest tap that I don't need - but it's probably not big enough for this (but I will check). Cheers Paul

[@silver3323]

The boot fair is your friend…. @@HaxbyShed

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very good machine Paul,,thanks for your time

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi TrPM, you are welcome, I enjoy the machines and I enjoy sharing my struggles to get them working properly. Cheers

[@carlkulyk366]

That is a neat little grinder. Herbert seems to have made a lot of different types of machines.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Carl, yes Herbert was quite a big name in British machinery. Cheers

[@billdoodson4232]

Paul, you should know by now that the ideal number of machines in a workshop is N+1. Someone offered me a J&S 540 surface grinder with extract and coolant at a very good price, like you I couldn't say no. I just need to sell one my lathes now.

[@bostedtap8399]

n + 1 love it

[@HaxbyShed]

Bill, I googled J&S 540, it looks like a smart machine. Mine is a bit of a toy by comparison, but it will do for my small jobs. Cheers

[@Griffon37]

Very informative and tempting me to purchase another machine🙄 I have spent a long time using Jones and Shipman 540X another great machine, boss offered me one for free but garage not big enough😐 I wish I had documented more of my Harrison mill rebuild will do a vid when finished. Interesting video again Paul thanks

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi G37, yes I saw you put a lot of time into your H mill. Cheers.

[@timogross8191]

Surface grinder is a good idea, you will use it a lot.

[@HaxbyShed]

Thank you Tim. The restoration is proving to be quite a long project but I'm enjoying it. Cheers

[@shanestewart9528]

Nice machine Paul keep up the great work, that will be a fun project

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Shane, yes small machine does not mean small project as it's turning out. Cheers

[@eduardogarcia3049]

I was so happy to see a surface grinder. I am so happy for you. Enjoy it.

[@HaxbyShed]

Eduardo you make it sound like I'm having a baby 🤣🤣🤣, well I suppose there are similarities like it takes your money and time and you have to clean up after it, and it constantly wants my attention. Cheers

[@lv_woodturner3899]

I love this machine. I would also love a similar sized surface grinder - but I do not have room. I will just sit back and enjoy this series and be a bit jealous. Dave.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Dave, it is very compact just right for my workshop. Cheers

[@be007]

thats a nice little machine ! cheers ben.

[@HaxbyShed]

Thanks Ben 👍

[@ThePottingShedWorkshop]

Very nice little machine! I think the restoration would make an interesting set of videos. One thing to consider before long is dust extraction. They do make a mess and you wont want to breathe that in. I bought a centrifugal extractor designed for wood lathes that does a reasonably good job.

[@HaxbyShed]

Thanks Robert I will think about extraction. My small bench grinders make a lot of mess. Cheers

[@TheAyrCaveShop]

Very cool Paul, perfect size for the home shop.. Looking forward to the restore process.. Cheers....

[@HaxbyShed]

Thanks Dean. Cheers

[@huibhoogendoorn503]

Hi Paul, that's a nice one, I have the same Herbert in metric. I'm looking forward to the next episode. I didn't refurbush him only cleaning and a new belt on. He works fine, only at the moment it leeks some oil out the reservour.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Huib, I saw the photo by email thank you. It looks like a nice machine. In a later video you will see I took the knee off because I thought the oil pipes were blocked, but actually they were fine. Cheers

[@GardenTractorBoy]

Our Herbert surface grinder looks very similar. Ours does not have an oiler so I guess it is a mark 1. I am looking forward to following your progress with this

[@HaxbyShed]

It does seem like you have a nice range of machines Joseph & Dad. Cheers

[@robertginther9248]

Good addition, Paul. Never wanted or thought I needed one until a Harig Ballway fell into my life. After 6 tries, I made an almost mirror finish on some A2 tool steel with a 36 grit wheel @ .005 step over. Natalie said: "Oh, nice" , but I thought I'd conquered Mt Ecerest. Hope your experience will be likewise. Fun tool to remove .00005 & be able to measure it very flat. Cheers.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Bob, once I get it running I've lots to learn. Never used a surface grinder before. Cheers

[@dutchgray86]

Alfred Herbert recommended the use of these grinders for grinding thread chaser dies, which they must have sold a vast amount of over the years. Its a classic small all manual toolroom grinder, perfect for the hobbyist with little room. I have an EXE, which I was given, it was going to be put into storage in a container as they had no room for it, so im "storing" it in my workshop.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Dutchgray, I had a look at the EXE pictures on lathes.co.uk and it seems like a very smart machine. My neighbour gave me a cement mixer to store on the basis that he could borrow it if needed. He is no longer with us so I guess it's mine now. Cheers

[@dutchgray86]

@HaxbyShed I used to have a trio of Belle electric mixers, only got one left now, one was borrowed a few years ago never to be returned and another just wore out, I have 3 diesel mixers as well but only two are in usable condition at present, of which we only really use one currently. (the one with electric start)

[@HaxbyShed]

@@dutchgray86 These details put colour on life. Mine is a Belle. Cheers

[@RB-yq7qv]

great little grinder.

[@HaxbyShed]

👍 Thanks

[@philhermetic]

Hi Paul, oh boy another project to keep me going till the new year! Lovely machine, by a good maker, i have a Herbert precision column drill that came from Ferrantis (i think) in the restoration pipeline. Definitely going to enjoy this! Phil

[@HaxbyShed]

Oh Phil all those wonderful old names now long gone - Ferranti, Marconi, GEC(UK), Plessey. There was probably 150k employees across them all - GEC alone employed 75k. But you could say the same about all the wonderful British aircraft companies. I'm sad we lost them all. Cheers

[@cameronnerdin4910]

you do a great show. thanks.

[@HaxbyShed]

Thank you Cameron. 👍

[@machineshopatthebottomofth3213]

Hi Paul, owning and gone through a complete refurb inc scraping, happy to support. If you are ever in the East Midlands feel free to pm and you can come and look at mine.

[@HaxbyShed]

Oh hi machineshopatthebottomofthegarden, I've seen your 6 part series and your scraping skills are a marvel to behold. I think yours was the first channel I landed on when searching for info on these machines. I won't come up to your standards of skill and workmanship .... Appreciate you watching, and thanks for the comment. Cheers Paul

[@dcraft1234]

No more machines? Never heard of such a thing!

[@HaxbyShed]

Yes I can cross that one off my list of machines I don't want .... 🤣 Cheers

[@craigtate5930]

Bravo..what a great addition

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Craig, I got a few alerts and I need to go back and check out some of your recent vids. Cheers Paul

[@craigtate5930]

@@HaxbyShed no worries...I have fallen so far behind on everyone's videos myself...there's just so many channels I enjoy (yours included) I just can't keep up anymore

[@julias-shed]

Didn’t know you could buy acme threading inserts 😲 good to know

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Julia, yes you can and they are not particularly expensive. I got a couple of sizes from shop-apt.co.uk and they have quite a good sale on at the moment. Cheers

[@chrisquinn3751]

I'm getting a little worried Paul. This here concrete pad outside the workshop door stands a good chance of becoming magnetic ( - for new machines! ) Have a great Christmas and a peaceful and healthy 2024.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Thanks Chris, and the same to you for Christmas and New Year. Cheers

[@alanremington8500]

Alright !! More fun !

[@HaxbyShed]

Oh man we need to be checked out if we are that excited ...... 🤣😁 Cheers

[@RustyInventions-wz6ir]

He he. I get you. I have a soft spot for a bargain especially if it’s tools or a machine.

[@HaxbyShed]

Well Rusty the seller made it so easy for me in every way. It was his dad's and he wanted it to go to somebody who would make it nice and appreciate it (and he needed to get some space in his workshop so he could get to his own machines). Cheers

[@LockdownElectronics]

I have machine envy.....

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Lockdown, it's a bit shabby but it will clean up nicely. You probably guessed now, that's what we were collecting when we came up your way. Cheers

[@lenuemccumbee6124]

I was wondering when you was going to put your gloves on with all that grease. looks like a great little machine.

[@HaxbyShed]

Well lenuemccumbee, it's like when you nip down to the workshop in you best clothes to check something because you are definitely not going to be touching anything and ..... in my case I planned to wear gloves when I got to the dirty parts but then it was too late and by then no point. Cheers

[@joneseymakes]

Great video Paul. I have the same machine. Do you happen to know what oil the one shot system uses?

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Jonesey, I do not. A kind subscriber has sent me the manual for the Mk1 but that did not have the oiler. I now know that the oil lines include 'metering valves' (will be the subject of a video later in this series) which are highly restricted and thus have a very low flow rate. When you pull the knob out it may take 30 minutes to return. I would suggest nothing too thick, perhaps ISO68. I've actually used ISO100 because I had plenty and I need to buy some more ISO68 sometime. Cheers

[@joneseymakes]

@@HaxbyShed Thanks, my machine is the same, it takes ages for the oiler knob to return

[@MyLilMule]

You're going to need a bigger shop. ;) "This should be more straight forward" is often how 10 part video series begin.

[@HaxbyShed]

Greg, you are so right Sir. It's already proving so. But viewers have said they want to see it all so it comes as it comes. No bright lights studio gloss-over here. You'll see what I mean later .... but it's all real life. Cheers Paul

[@lookcreations]

Just check the lubrication fittings, I am surprised it’s grease and not oil. The roller bearings are separated by a spacer tube which retains an amount of oil to feed into the races.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi, I have heard of them being greased but so far not seen any suggestion of oil, but you could still be right. The parts manual I have been given does not state the lubricant. Cheers

[@jagboy69]

If you have a mill, you need a lathe. Which leads to a surface grinder. Yup, I got that T-shirt! I'm so screwed on space, I'm having to dig UNDERGROUND to create another parking space!

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Jagboy, it's hard to turn down a good machine so I think it's often a case of buy now, find space later 🤣

[@sass1ap]

what kind of car was pulling that trailer?

[@tsheritageengineering]

Volvo D5 V60

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi sass1ap, as a passenger I can say the Volvo was very smooth and pulled the trailer with ease. Same when we transported my Harrison mill 550kg / 1200lb. Cheers

[@GrumpiesGarage]

Hi Paul... Another interesting project you have there. I have the manual for the machine in pdf format somewhere ...would you like me to send you a copy ? Regards Dave.

[@HaxbyShed]

Ah yes absolutely please Grumpie. My email address is in the 'about' section of my channel page. Many thanks Paul

[@GrumpiesGarage]

@@HaxbyShed I will get that sent to you today.. I also sent the manual to Joe and a few others... Look forward to seeing your progress with the machine.. D.

[@GrumpiesGarage]

Not sure if I am having a senior moment but I can't seem to find your email address on your channel... Any help appreciated 🤔

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Grumpie, thank you very much for the manual - it has already solved one mystery. Regards Cheers

[@Warped65er]

You just can't seem to remedy your Iron Deficiency. Lol. Thx for the vid.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi W65er, true but every machine comes with its challenges and learning opportunities. Cheers

[@melgross]

Too bad I’m not getting to this series until now. Amazon does have an acme 5/8” x 5 tap. It’s a very good one though and costs a bit under $50. There could be more, less expensive ones. By now you’ve finished, so it doesn’t matter that much, unless you ever need another one.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Mel, I did a mini series on making a 5/8 5tpi RH tandem unipass ACME tap and at one point I was unsure I would get it to work so I bought a 5/8 5tpi from Ebay (China). Well I did a test cut and I found the Ebay tap cut with a fair bit of clearance - more than I wanted for this job. So I persevered and got my home made tap to work. This is the first vid in the series and it is on a playlist kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2PbiYltiJ1jgcksi=56lhf_MY4Zx3DhTF Cheers

[@melgross]

@@HaxbyShed it got to the first one in the series because even though I subscribe to you, I didn’t find you until much later than you started your channel. You know how that goes. So your last video in this series popped up on my page and I was interested. I have a grinder as well, so I was interested to see what you did with this because while I’ve never used it, I’m familiar with the model. So I went to your channel and found the first video. I plan on watching them all, in order. It’s a problem when you watch someone do something and have an idea, but it later and really isn’t helpful at that point. See, if I waited until you finished, I wouldn’t have had to post about the tap. Think of all the typing I could have saved myself from doing…oh, wait.

[@HaxbyShed]

The KZbin algorithms are completely unpredictable. It's something that most KZbin presenters moan about.

[@Preso58]

Nice addition and too good to refuse. I've been looking for one of those "won't cost a lot" surface grinders for a while. I thought I'd found one at $100 but the listing said it had been dropped and no longer accurate. Sigh!

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi Mark, yes I suppose it might have been ok as a bright polisher but that's about all. It will be my first experience using a surface grinder so I look forward to getting it operational. Cheers

[@somebodyelse6673]

Hehe, "I'll never do it again, until next time".

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi somebodyelse, I should know better..... but a good machine is hard to resist when the price is right and the transport is willing. Cheers

[@Bristolcentaurus]

G.A.S.

[@HaxbyShed]

Hi, you will have to help me with that one 'G.A.S", please? Cheers

[@Bristolcentaurus]

having said no more gear to be acquired you have acquired more gear so you have developed a case of G.A.S. : Gear Acquisition Syndrome

[@HaxbyShed]

@@Bristolcentaurus 🤣🤣

[@kimber1958]

E bay has a 5/8-5 acme tap right hand.about $35 usd. I could get this and send to you

[@HaxbyShed]

Kimber that's a tough one. $35 to buy, probably $25 to post (about £50 together). I've already bought the silver steel and the carbide. But the assurance of having the proper tap is attractive and I could still try to make a tap as a learning project. If we got for it you MUST let me pay. I will email you. Cheers

[@kimber1958]

I would pay postage

[@kimber1958]

Hell I’ll put in $100.00

[@HaxbyShed]

@@kimber1958 Kimber, let me know how it goes but really I need to cover this - or send you something in return from UK.