Hsing Yi - Power Generation - Kung Fu Report

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Adam Chan

Adam Chan

2 жыл бұрын

Today we are talking about the concept of small movement power generation using Hsing Yi and how it relates to all internal martial arts.
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@Simon2k17
@Simon2k17 2 жыл бұрын
To answer Chris's question. Post training is learning to lower your center of gravity without changing your elevation through relaxation. When you lower your center of gravity without changing elevation, your legs feel heavy. This is what the Chinese call rooting. You feel like you're pushing the ground. When you're pushing the ground, the force is going downwards. In physics, when you push against something, it pushes back. So as more force goes downwards, more force also goes upwards. Internal stylists call it rebound force. It's this rebound force that you use to generate short/one inch power. Also when you train lowering your center of gravity without changing elevation, you train the coordination of sudden drop with all the back muscles/fascia. Overtime your back learns how to contribute power by going downwards (shock power). Finally for health purposes, lowering your center of gravity without changing elevation stretches out your spine. That's why alot of people practice Tai Chi because it helps with back pain. Now what Adam is doing is alot more advanced and has moved past the rooting stage I just described and waaaay into formless stage. But in order to research internal power and get into Adam's level, everyone has to understand the first stage I just described. Hope that helps.
@angelocarantino4803
@angelocarantino4803 2 жыл бұрын
Where can I get books or videos on this? I know iron shirt trains the fascia in the chest, but idk how to learn what you just talked about. Hope your having a good day, and thanks for the comment!
@Simon2k17
@Simon2k17 2 жыл бұрын
@@angelocarantino4803 Internal styles are very hard to teach because you can't see what's going on inside. Here's the basic idea for the first stage. There are two qualities. Stand normally and deliberate relaxation. 1) stand normally is something you have been doing your entire life. It's as simple as it sounds. Just stand. (No need to post or Zhan Zhuang yet. That scares off alot of people cuz it's boring, confusing, beginners have alot of tension and instructors love to add too much details. The fail rate is really high). 2) Deliberate relaxation. When you relax 100% while standing, you will collapse. Therefore I want you to relax 99%. Just barely keeping yourself standing and without changing elevation. 3) Putting it all together. Breathe in, stand normally. But as you slowly breathe out, relax 99% without changing elevation.Melt into the ground. Like your flesh is melting off your skeleton. When you relax without changing elevation, It should feel like your flesh is hanging off your skeleton. Your legs should feel heavy. The reason why your legs feel heavy is because your legs are supporting your collapsing body due to deliberate relaxation. As you breathe back in, go back to standing normally. Breathe out, deliberate relaxation. Don't mix up the breathes as a beginner. You can really hurt yourself. Once you can get that deliberate relaxation quality down, slowly add movements of any martial art of your choice. Different movements help amplify the relax quality. Usually arts with alot of circles. I personally started with straight lines. In conclusion, there's so much more to it, but if you can understand what I just posted, you can accomplish the first step. The first step is usually the hardest.
@angelocarantino4803
@angelocarantino4803 2 жыл бұрын
@@Simon2k17 thanks! I'll try that! I'll add my martial arts movements when I'm ready (I do world building so I created my own martial art. Looking forward to combining it with this!) Thanks for the help :) I'll let you know how it goes. Ttyl
@Simon2k17
@Simon2k17 2 жыл бұрын
@@angelocarantino4803 just remember your movements have to start off slow. Tai Chi slow. There's a reason why all internal styles are slow moving. If you move too quickly as a beginner, your relaxed quality is gone. It takes alot of time and practice to get to Adam's level and move at will and from any angle.
@mbunji
@mbunji 2 жыл бұрын
@@Simon2k17 Good afternoon Simon, you explanation is excellent. The way you talk reminds ne of my teacher. Many of my friends never understood why i left the sport aspect of martial arts and went into kung fu systems which imo is on a way different level from mma. Im okay in practicing kung fu principles but its because i was lucky to have a great teacher. I use to lift heavy weights and my teacher have me to give up weights and i became smaller and more of a person that looks healthy rather than a very body builder look. Ive been doing that for the last 10 yrs and it changed my life. He always taught me that everything has to be unitary movement and what alot of martial arts lack is tgat many of their attacks and movements are isolated and its why alot of practitioners can't Express their true power. You are on point in your explanations. What do you practice exactly.
@markhatfield5621
@markhatfield5621 2 жыл бұрын
This is very unusual and rare, an instructor of a Chinese system who can: 1. Explain clearly and make sense. 2.Without claiming any magic powers. 3. And looks like he could actually use it, could actually fight with it.
@andysun73
@andysun73 Жыл бұрын
Let’s have a round of applause for Chris. Well done lad
@lelionnoir4523
@lelionnoir4523 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate people who know when to stop talking. When you say you're not qualified to talk about Hua Jin (sorry, I only know Mandarin, but I also really appreciated the Cantonese version of the three powers) and you proceed to not talk about it, I was impressed. So many keep talking even when passed time they shut up.
@robertmedsker5305
@robertmedsker5305 2 жыл бұрын
It's always great having Chris as a sounding board he's been with you for a very long time he's met a lot of people and yet he sees you move and feels your energy and your power still can't quite figure out how you do it keep training Chris just takes time I've been going for 42 years now you learn something new every time you move
@ttc.o4007
@ttc.o4007 Ай бұрын
Precise and simple explanation. Shifu Chin is my hero 😎👍
@michaelharris6153
@michaelharris6153 2 жыл бұрын
I love this, because it breaks down the stuff to remove the illusion of eastern martial arts. Its more about how we use our bodies in relationship with the ground. It looks like magic but its all in the realm of physics.
@hbc511
@hbc511 Жыл бұрын
Its not just physics. On the outside that's what it look like.
@mikelearned1628
@mikelearned1628 Жыл бұрын
I saw a Gung Fu master on KZbin years ago demonstrating the power he had in his finger. He was in his room, which I believe was concrete, inverted on one of his index fingers, with his feet up on the wall. He later struck a very large hanging sandbag and poked a hole in it with his index finger. Amazing.
@newjerseybalintawak
@newjerseybalintawak 2 жыл бұрын
Much respect to you for showing this. Standing post is incredibly challenging yet so incredibly beneficial on so many levels. So many deeper layers to scratch.
@EazyMac
@EazyMac 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these Hsing-I videos, Adam!! It's one thing to read about Xingyi in books and articles.. and it's another thing entirely to see the concepts of internal power being executed and explained so clearly!! This video is yet another gem, and I greatly appreciate the time and effort you've spent attempting to demystify something which many of us know in our hearts is real and many others detract as BS. It's not an easy subject to discuss, but through your training and experience, we are able to understand that much better.
@benhammer8901
@benhammer8901 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you Sifu Adam!
@benjaminbecker8508
@benjaminbecker8508 2 жыл бұрын
Love your Hsing Yi content. Priceless!
@thomasbayer2832
@thomasbayer2832 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you for your Hsing Yi videos, Sifu Adam 🙏🏻🙂
@wendellbenedict4793
@wendellbenedict4793 2 жыл бұрын
I used to train in Aikido years ago with a teacher from Japan that was a black belt in both Aikido and Shorinji Kempo I definitely weighed him by 100 pounds. We would practice techniques where I could move him, but when he wanted to I could push him with all my might and it felt like pushing a brick wall. Was simply amazing. He never came across as a BSer and I know that alot of Aikido instructors talk about Ki (Chi) but I don't ever remember him mentioning it. Went to an Aikido seminar when first started training and the guest instructor all she talked about was Ki but couldn't make it work. Compare that to my instructor at the time that never talked about Ki but definitely could make it work. Also, he never bragged and would quickly let you know that he wasn't Superman.
@solagratia1600
@solagratia1600 Жыл бұрын
what's the Japanese sensei's name? Glad to hear your thoughts, and great to hear he trained in Aikido and Shorinji, I think both have shared principles too. Thanks to Adam and Chris too for doing this :)
@wendellbenedict4793
@wendellbenedict4793 Жыл бұрын
@@solagratia1600 his name is Hiroshi Tajiri and he teaches in Raleigh NC.
@oldtyger
@oldtyger Жыл бұрын
Actually aikido teaches basic “internal martial arts” skills in the beginning of every class. Exercises like unbending arm, weight underside and that rowing drill are examples. I only trained in aikido( 2 different schools of the ki aikido method) but now that I am more knowledgeable ( decades of Chinese martial arts like taijiquan, baguaquan) I understand this type of skill better. I am pretty sure O Sensei could do this stuff but strangely almost none of it is actually taught in an organized way, at least in my experience with aikido.
@gyran300
@gyran300 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation!
@darrenwinter447
@darrenwinter447 9 ай бұрын
Love your content. Keeps my grey matter working
@geekavenger
@geekavenger Жыл бұрын
Adam, If you're looking for application of internal power, Dan Harden out of Boston. When he moves his arms and legs, it feels like literal snakes moving under his skin, when his torso moves, his lower abdomen and back feel like he has a bowling ball moving around in there. Post training is GREAT!
@EazyMac
@EazyMac 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone interested, I just typed up this reply for someone asking for a tutorial on how to perform standing post training, or Zhan Zhuang: Search "Zhan Zhuang" (the Mandarin term for post training- mind you, there are various poses, but there is a common one that looks like hugging a tree). There are many specific conditions to satisfy just the proper physical structure of Zhan Zhuang, let alone training the Yi (Intention). Lam Kam Chuen has a very good book called "The Way of Energy" that describes the various requirements of proper physical structure, and he also has follow-along videos that teach Zhan Zhuang if you search for it on KZbin. Jonathan Bluestein wrote a very good book called "Research of Martial Arts" that has a very concise section which explains "where the power comes from" (which Chris said seemed against the laws of physics in the video) ...as well as the actual meaning of the concept of "Yi" (no, it's not just semantics), and the effects of training it. My advice: Learn Zhan Zhuang and just commit to doing it every day. You can research the how's and why's of Zhan Zhuang promoting whole body internal power that Adam demonstrated here, but ultimately, you will never get there without the practice. You'll have many hours just becoming physically capable of holding any single Zhan Zhuang posture for 45 minutes. During that time, you can research how to train your Yi (oftentimes authors tend to use the words "yi" and "qi" interchangeably, which isn't entirely wrong as the Chinese say "yi leads the qi".. but it's still wrong in the sense that yi has a specific nature, function, and method of training, separate from qi). I hope this answers your question.
@r.d.lawrence7572
@r.d.lawrence7572 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!
@worryphree
@worryphree 2 жыл бұрын
This dude is BADASS!
@cancangsikamba
@cancangsikamba 2 жыл бұрын
very inspiratif. thank you very much 🙇🏽‍♂️🙇🏽‍♂️🙇🏽‍♂️
@MmmhMarky
@MmmhMarky Жыл бұрын
I saw the same thing happening after practicing freeskating and unicycling At first, I couldn’t even skate but after getting used to it, I can freely skate and not only that but during the skating, I don’t have to follow the structure and can freely move my feet about. You have to follow the structure to learn but after learning you no longer require to adhere to it. It’s the same as learning to ride a bicycle. So, don’t worry guys. It’ll become natural to you too.
@user-dw1jp7tp6i
@user-dw1jp7tp6i Ай бұрын
WOW! GREAT COMMENT, it's amazing how an illustration from something you can already do makes sense of something you don't see anyway for being done. ❤
@frfrpr
@frfrpr Жыл бұрын
This is tremendously enlightening. I knew standing helped but I didn't know how. Just subscribed
@benjaminbecker8508
@benjaminbecker8508 Жыл бұрын
Xing Yi is awesome! ❤
@shengchenfan
@shengchenfan 2 жыл бұрын
Well said!!
@andysif
@andysif Жыл бұрын
one of the best explanation and demonstration in english, and heck, maybe even in chinese as well
@ziggydog5091
@ziggydog5091 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@edwardhenne3204
@edwardhenne3204 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, what I didn't say is the reason I do so enjoy watching your videos is your honesty and your freedom in your art. I found, especially when trying shaolin arts is that all arts have their strengths and weaknesses. For instance, when I was doing Mantis, I found some things in the Phiipino arts that made me faster and of course increased my bladed weapon skills. So, again, your honesty with what helped you to really become free in your art that came from other arts, I appreciate.
@peterfitzgerald6095
@peterfitzgerald6095 2 жыл бұрын
The talk about cutting shapes is spot on. We talk about it as cutting the corners of a square to create a circle. You eventually become smoother and faster. A lot more to it than that as it leads to the body moving not the limbs. (Similar to how you skipped the grab off your chest instead of using your hands)
@muteqx
@muteqx Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sifu Adam and Chris for these amazing explanation videos! I have barely trained in Chinese martial arts, but my own amateur explorations around the edges of aikido - a beautiful, problematic, very misunderstood and misapplied art - are leading to similar places. I'm going to try incorporating post training into my aiki body conditioning, as I have found that even a limited amount of meditative solo training supercharged the possibilities with my partnered aikido. The movements became much smaller and technical forms far less relevant - as you said with the basketball player analogy, just moving. My martial art doesn't look much like mainstream aikido... or anything in particular... any more, and this is a welcome stage as I find my own style as a happy nobody slowly uncovering little pieces of the puzzle in my own way. Videos like this, and the ones where you discuss yiquan, are so very helpful in encountering different perspectives. I'm heartened to hear someone with your level of experience putting into words a lot of what I feel a bit like I discovered somewhat by accident. Greetings from Wales! 🙏
@ghostdude45
@ghostdude45 Жыл бұрын
I have just started developing "hidden" power in my baguazhang training since revisiting Zhan zhuang. Glad to know I'm heading in the right direction.
@dlebron007
@dlebron007 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. I have been a closed-door student of Grand Master CY David LIn for 10 years. Gm is no longer but your post embraces all teaching I learned over the years. He always used to say the Hsing Yi best part of all martial arts. I appreciate your knowledge and understanding of its skill set and the benefits of posting. I have developed some hidden abilities I call "air fist", meaning I do not have to load or put my fists in the chamber to transfer energy from the root ground to the feet to the waist and into the extremities. The reason I offer what I have learned is that Master Lin used to say you do know how much power you have developed until you have to Hsing Yi. Best bodyguard system. Thank you for your posts.
@ianweir2115
@ianweir2115 2 жыл бұрын
Wow very cool. I haven't seen someone talk about this in years. There are many names for this or the different basic concepts. Yi Chuan, Da Cheng Chuan, Zhan Zhang, stand like post or tree, or still as mountain. And even heard Japanese names for it. I thought it was different styles at first, but its all the same. Now BECAUSE of this training you dont have to be so daunting or stringent, with the forms of footwork, because you have burned into your body the post training which makes your body physics more nimble. ...speed is power. This is true, its not BS, thx
@realherbalism1017
@realherbalism1017 2 жыл бұрын
I most definitely DO NOT speak for Adam so anyone reading this please know that. I am a practicing occultist, occult means hidden or not easily seen, & I can tell you for sure that there are hidden forces in the universe that some know about & others don't. Some can use them naturally when they don't comprehend them. Now there is nothing inherently good or evil about these things, it's just force. One day they will be understood by science, I'm confident in that. Anyway back to the topic. Chris's point is valid & it's my BELIEF that real gung fu can develop some of these attributes/forces if trained right. I also do not discount what Adam is saying but consciousness plays a huge role in gaining access to those forces because they are more at that level of reality. Just like you can concentrate light with a magnifying glass & burn things with it, you can concentrate the mind to a point & get unexpected results. I MY opinion, I think that's what is going on here to a large degree without Adam realizing it or possibly admitting to it so he doesn't drive skeptics away & I don't blame him.
@geldeddonkey7320
@geldeddonkey7320 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Internal power is not seen by people new to the system and takes years of training and understanding . Over the years you take big movements and move to smaller movements with “GING;’(internal power)or as Adam says you don’t waste movement. Kungfu is an internal Art. Scott 🇦🇺
@emilianosintarias7337
@emilianosintarias7337 2 жыл бұрын
i would love to see crossover content dealing with muay thai, muay boran, from any angle. Muay Thai is probably the most popular striking system in the world but there are many topics you never see talked about. Just some examples: -is the british influenced hard sport format, of a larger martial art systems that includes knives, and non sport techniques -there are a variety of styles, it isn't only plodding sturdy kickers who move forward, some thai players don't kick, or only elbow, some are elusive, some fight soft and stick to you, some are knee specialists, etc -it has a psychology of keeping violence inside a ring, ego reduction, and apologizing for its violence -it has a lot of takedowns that can keep the thrower on his feet and ready to run away, good for self defense -it shares links with vietnamese, indian, cambodian and indonesian arts
@elskeralle
@elskeralle Жыл бұрын
There's an old Xingyi form called "San Guan Ch'uan" that has some of the primordial foundations of what later developed into some of the Elements and Animals. It's apparently so old that no one knows where it came from. I think it's name is perhaps a variation of "San Quan" from the Three Fists from Dai Style Xinyi. Anyway, I have only found this form in one family. None of the others has heard of it. Any input? Has anyone heard of this form?
@KevinMoras13
@KevinMoras13 2 жыл бұрын
I have been practicing xing yi for 10 years and I am still learning more and more. The force generated with such little movement feels amazing. This video just opened my mind and at the time simplified xing yi even further for me. Thank you so much Adam and Chris!!
@angelocarantino4803
@angelocarantino4803 2 жыл бұрын
Where can I learn about this? I'm trying to learn but I can't find alot of resources. Thanks in advance!
@MuShinMartialCulture
@MuShinMartialCulture 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5_bqnZ9eKqhask
@TaijiquanGaoshou
@TaijiquanGaoshou Жыл бұрын
Ten years ? Only ? "Still learning" ? Mate, if your mind is open, you'll learn after 20 years of study. 10 years in gongfu is a rookie.
@tednpam3979
@tednpam3979 Ай бұрын
@@TaijiquanGaoshouThat was his point
@lawsonmark
@lawsonmark 2 жыл бұрын
In physics, Mechanical Power is defined as Force * velocity. To further break that down Force is defined as Mass * Acceleration. So if you regard the example of someone swinging their arm as the mass that is moving you get one number for mass, but if you take someone stepping forward into a hit the acceleration may go down, but the Mass goes up considerably. 10 lbs moving at 10 ft/s and 100 lbs moving at 1 ft/s produce the same force. I have a background in Mechanical Engineering and I have studied XIng Yi Quan for 7 years. The obvious power would be similar to seeing 10 lbs moving at 10 ft/s and perceiving that as powerful. But the 100 lbs moving at only 1 ft/s would seem less powerful because we focus on the movement, not what is being moved. Plus someone taking a step forward is barely perceived as a movement because we'd focus on their hand. And even then we'd focus on the hand in relationship to the body, not in relation to how far it has moved in space. That is leaving out a significant amount of nuance and focusing on the simple physics of movement. There are internal rotational forces, elastic forces, etc all that don't have to be done in a manner that makes them overly obvious but still contributes to the resultant strike.
@edwardhenne3204
@edwardhenne3204 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent teaching my brother. Adam, I really enjoy watching your videos. I started my training in 7 Star Mantis which I trained and taught for about 15 years. It's very close to Wing Chun, but long fist, as well as short and medium - lots of trapping skills. I then encountered a hsing yi practitioner in North Carolina and I believe I was both faster and physically stronger than him, but when I crossed arms with this guy I found my structure being broken in the middle of a trap. So, after getting my ass handed to me, I began training hsing yi and have continued with it for many years now. I'm currently 64 years old and continue to trash your bucks from other disciplines. What you taught tonight is the central power base for all neijia arts. In hsingi yi, the post standing and Santi shr stance are the basic training, in tai chi its post stance and holding the postures, bagua its post stance and circle walking. But they all have also the Dan tien and spine work. Very few people understand this. I don't know if you saw it on youtube, but "Martial Man" did a conference this past year with the top internal guys that he's encountered. There was Mizner - top tai chi guy. But also a couple Wing Chun guys, and a hakka guy who all have the goods and its from the post standing.
@apolloasmr4827
@apolloasmr4827 Жыл бұрын
Who in NC? I’m from there :)
@lifeishealinghealthwellnes1979
@lifeishealinghealthwellnes1979 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Adam, This is Laoshur Muntu Isom of Atlanta. if I didn't know it, I would say you must be or must have been a structural or mechanical engineer with a background in various science and physics. Love hearing your candid explanation how force, structure and energy. I think that Bagua is different in that the post that you are standing is a moveable dolly.
@houseofkungfu2543
@houseofkungfu2543 2 жыл бұрын
Man after 20 years of hard training. After listening this video, I realize I know nothing
@QuentinKLEau
@QuentinKLEau 2 жыл бұрын
You did not have a good teacher (teaching abilities, not level). Plain and simple.
@wotchthiz
@wotchthiz 2 жыл бұрын
This is cool. Why is it that there are several videos of these old men in China who've been practicing kungfu for years get into a sparring match with boxers, kickboxers and mma guys from China and get KTFO in seconds of the first round? I think this is why Adam should have a sparring match with the fight sport guys. Not that he needs to prove anything to anyone, but to show the real life application of these principles.
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
The first purpose of martial standing in the internal systems is opening. Specifically opening the spaces between the joints. If you’re healthy, and you are shown proper standing training, you will fairly rapidly sense the opening occurring. Typically the first sensation are the extremities opening, then the spine vertically and the legs, then the whole body will feel as if it’s expanding in all directions. Opening can be completed in ~ 3 months. San Ti is an example of standing to open. After standing to open is attained, there are a number of directions that you can progress in. Xingyi goes to power issuing as its next step (Taijiquan goes onto Peng). Xingyi’s Piquan teaches how to draw the body together and to release force based on a power center around the mingmen. 3-6 months of Piquan should be enough to grasp “hidden power”. Then you learn how to issue power in various geometries with Xingyi’s stepping patterns while retaining the ability to Fa with hidden power at all times. After that you learn linking, and after linking you learn two man sets and styles (the animals are styles, for example, almost all of Yiquan can be found in the Xingyi horse and monkey shapes). If you complete San Ti training, when people try to push into you, they will tend to push themselves out of their base, compromising their center in the process. It takes around 2 years to fully develop full range of motion with full power in Xingyi. The limiting factor is tendon development.
@Michael-im4ue
@Michael-im4ue 2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, Mr William. i want to ask about xingyi quan. i have read that pi quan is the first element that a xingyi quan practitioner must encounter just like you said. Then after mastering pi quan, is that student must encounter zuan, beng, and so on step by step? or that student can learn beng quan first without learning pi quan? is pi quan really give the basics about xing yi quan before learning the other elements?
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-im4uePiquan is far and away the easiest element to learn Xingyi’s power generation. You could learn the elements in any order, but starting with Pi is the fastest easiest route. Generally after Pi, the other elements can be learned pretty rapidly since your expressing the same type of coordination, just in different geometries.
@Michael-im4ue
@Michael-im4ue 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your respond, Mr William. During your time learning about xing yi. have you ever heard about liuhe bafa quan? Some people said the art can also be referred as "xinyi liuhe bafa". is xing yi and liuhe bafa related or can be considered as cousin arts? did this 2 arts share some similarities in their principles?
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
@@Michael-im4ue Liu He Ba Fa is pretty different from Xinyiquan. It was developed by Wu Yihui. It’s a synthesis of a number of arts, none of which are Xinyiquan (or Taijiquan or Baguazhang). The art evolved as it was developed so a number of different versions exist (iirc the first version was 33 forms done with a single handedness). Re Xinyi, that’s a concept. It doesn’t too say much about the underlying art. The arts that did go into Liu He Ba Fa appear to have been taught within maybe 2-3 days of travel from Wu Yihui’s hometown. Lu Hongs 8 shapes/principles was one art, iirc 12 animals 3 basins was another. Depending on the time frame, a particular version of Liu He Ba Fa might be mostly 2 arts or as many as 5-6 since Wu Yuhui seemed to be constantly innovating his art.
@Michael-im4ue
@Michael-im4ue 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Mr William for all your answer 🙏. Very insightful
@yew2oob954
@yew2oob954 7 ай бұрын
It doesn't defy physics, it's outside the bounds of YOUR understanding of physics.
@alexfpower
@alexfpower Жыл бұрын
Yea this video confirms a lot of what I learned about xing yi except..practically every kung fu teacher I've heard about often say they either dont understand Hua jing(mysterious, or transformative power) or very rarely they do. Only one teacher that I have heard of understands it perfectly but he has a very different point of view than the normal xing yi guys like in this video(likely a more accurate one if you look at the classics).
@jchyip
@jchyip 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if you've encountered and have any thoughts on Chu Shong-Tin or any of his more senior students.
@LunaticReason
@LunaticReason 2 жыл бұрын
Ever since I started Kung Fu my mind has been more open to the ideas of different energy output so to speak but its very difficult to perform. My sifu says I tend to be too rigid and hard and I think because I am more aligned to earth type energies. When I do forms It can be very difficult and tiring because its like pushing a car with the breaks on. However that same rigidness makes me a difficult opponent to grapple and wrestle. I need to somehow learn to manifest those other energies. Water and Air has been the most difficult for me because I cant relax and flow and adapt to my opponent like I would like to.
@mahmudmurad4655
@mahmudmurad4655 Жыл бұрын
How much time daily do you recommend to do posting-training. ?
@michaelblack9458
@michaelblack9458 Жыл бұрын
I was told the something by my sifu, he would trade forms for applications from other teachers who didn't understand the body mechanisms
@dakotahsimonson631
@dakotahsimonson631 2 жыл бұрын
Well I did in high-school
@The-Golden-Oak
@The-Golden-Oak Ай бұрын
I prefer to believe it's just magic. See below for my reasoning. Step 1: Stand still a bunch step 2: Do it over a long period of time step 3: ???? Step 4: Now I'm stronger and fight better.
@dakotahsimonson631
@dakotahsimonson631 2 жыл бұрын
I do post training 😃😃😃this video is awesome and it makes sense
@21Kinjiru
@21Kinjiru Жыл бұрын
what is this term "Mingjin" (I don't know if I'm writing correctly) that he constantly says ?
@Sifu-Myers
@Sifu-Myers 2 жыл бұрын
Post training is this referring to Zhan Zhuang?
@edwardhenne3204
@edwardhenne3204 Жыл бұрын
I know you are up in BC, so I've wondered if you got your neijia training from Liang Shou Yu????
@JasonLaveKnotts
@JasonLaveKnotts 2 жыл бұрын
Potential Energy
@kurthouston7553
@kurthouston7553 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for being a straight shooter Sir Chan... 06:20 kinda FMA type of fighting if you ask me... Oh well, We're all humans end of the day...
@anthonyt219
@anthonyt219 2 ай бұрын
Chris is sadly getting tortured or roughed up by sifu but its necessary to see how these techniques even work at "fight" speed. Granted, adam already knew what was coming due to teaching but it still helps to see good practice
@EthanNoble
@EthanNoble 5 ай бұрын
Ahh this reminds me of sanchin in Uechi-ryu
@TheBigGuppy
@TheBigGuppy 2 жыл бұрын
If I may ask a question… I know nothing about Hsing Yi. When you talk about Post Training are you talking about something similar to what we start with in Chen Taijiquan called Standing Pole. Thanks, I love your channel.
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
Similar, but the Chen Taijiquan standing pole has a lot of additional requirements to facilitate the proper coordination of the dantien and silk reeling. For example I don’t believe the rounding of the crotch and the wrapping inward and opening outward of several body parts are present in the Yiquan standing post. The requirements for the head and neck are about the same. The requirements for the shoulders and back have about half in common. The requirements for the lower torso are much more detailed for Chen Taijiquan. The requirements for the legs share have about 1/3 in common. Particularly critical is the feet are weighted differently. If you used Yiquan standing for Chen Taijiquan, you would miss out on a lot of essentials for Chen Taijiquan. If you used the Chen standing pole for Yiquan, you might end up limiting the geometries available for Yiquan movements.
@TheBigGuppy
@TheBigGuppy 2 жыл бұрын
@@williambreazeal387 Thanks a lot sir.
@letsbefranks2062
@letsbefranks2062 2 жыл бұрын
Baji Quan practitioners in China and Taiwan stand in a guard position for incredible amounts of time doing nothing else, does that convey the same sort of idea ?
@Sifu-Myers
@Sifu-Myers 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have more Info on these powers for the 5 elements? I've studied some Xing Yi for some time but always looking for a growing experience
@Sifu-Myers
@Sifu-Myers 2 жыл бұрын
@darkwing dook thanks ill have to check them out! I wasnt sure if he spoke about them in his courses or not. I'm pretty sure he teaches the shock power but from what I gathered it's just inch Jing applied to blocking
@Sifu-Myers
@Sifu-Myers 2 жыл бұрын
@darkwing dook yeah that makes sense! I figured there was more on this. I've learned a way of doing 5 element power but this sounded unique. I'm looking for a copy of the book now so thanks it was the way of energy by the way
@edwardhenne3204
@edwardhenne3204 2 жыл бұрын
This is what I meant about training the spine. However, Dan tien training is probably a poor term, it's more like training the Yao, or the whole belly area. Later, of course these large movements aren't seen.
@sdna8658
@sdna8658 2 жыл бұрын
Que pena que no hay subtítulos en español...mi inglés no llega para entender todo, aunque entiendo muy bien de qué va el tema... Gran canal,Adam...y like It!!!
@gersonbz1
@gersonbz1 2 жыл бұрын
@SDNA, puedes traducir con el youtube. Active los subtítulos, vaya a "Detalles" (el ícono que parece un engranaje), haga clic en Subtítulos CC, luego haga clic en Traducir automáticamente y desplácese hacia abajo en la lista de idiomas para elegir Español. ¡Buena suerte!
@gersonbz1
@gersonbz1 2 жыл бұрын
Solo ten cuidado con algunos errores de traducción. El sistema no entiende cada palabra. Traduce Xing Yi como "brillante" (creo que de la palabra inglesa shine). Al menos eso es lo que pasa con la traducción al portugués (soy brasileño).
@nathanpflughoeft1126
@nathanpflughoeft1126 2 жыл бұрын
gravity is the best training partner
@jorisfeldberg1987
@jorisfeldberg1987 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🏼
@winghosamLeung-ff3bu
@winghosamLeung-ff3bu Ай бұрын
zhangzhon (standing). actually it is not standing so simple. it a lot of framework details and mindful.
@user-yu2fj6cm1e
@user-yu2fj6cm1e Жыл бұрын
What ' Jing ' is in hsing yi ?
@alswedgin9274
@alswedgin9274 2 жыл бұрын
Would Tai Chi be the best way to train pose training? Kind regards? Great video as per usual #MuchRespect
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
I think post training in Tai Chi is going to be pretty inconsistent. Some lineages have it, some do not, and the origins of post training in Tai Chi are unclear. As an example, Chen Taijiquan has post standing, but it’s quite possible that’s a recent addition via Feng Zhiqiang in the 1980’s. Feng Zhiqiang was a student of Chen Fake and Hu Yaozhen. Hu Yaozhen was a Xinyiquan master (and close friend of Chen Fake) who was known for his well developed post standing system. Feng Zhiqiang was the main transmitter of Chen Taijiquan from around 1984 onward. All of this points to post standing in Chen Taijiquan as being an import from Hu Yaozhen’s Xinyiquan. Another pointer in this direction was a student of Chen Zhaokui (Chen Fake’s son). The student had an old low back injury and Zhaokui told him post standing could fix it if he could generate heat. That student sought out a Yiquan master to learn post standing. So indication are that when well connected Taijiquan practitioners wanted to learn post standing, they looked to arts like Yiquan, not Tai Chi.
@rayniac211
@rayniac211 Жыл бұрын
Would you consider Sil Nim Tao a form of stance training?
@oldtyger
@oldtyger Жыл бұрын
In my opinion any form could be used for stance training if you practice it for that. My first baguaquan sifu would sometimes make us count 8 seconds on each posture before moving on to the next. Because we also trained our structure I would say that was a method of stance training. Very few other martial arts focus on an “internal “ body structure so it might not be useful to do this with a different martial art. When I learned a little xingyiquan the sifu made us hold some very uncomfortable postures like chicken style low front stance, very tough but good stance training. Best option is to train with an experienced person. If you understand the concepts and can do it well, you can adapt almost any style/stance.
@TonyOcasiowingchunpressure
@TonyOcasiowingchunpressure Жыл бұрын
This style was played by Kira in mortal kombat deception I thought xing yi was fake but Adam says it's real and a legit real kung fu style very similar to wing chun I'm going to research it!!! 😃😃😃
@CottonBoxer
@CottonBoxer Жыл бұрын
though less qulified than you Adam. here is my current definition of mysterious power. which i admit is much less accurate that i would have been able to say 20 yrs ago. so, i would first substitute Spiritual for mysterious to get a better idea. so those who know realize the spiritual level of kung fu/martial arts is a culmination and progression from obvious, to hidden to spiritual. this level allows for natural and spontaneous awareness energy. so this means your reactions are on auto pilot unless you choose to alter your state of operation on purpose. sorta like a chess grandmaster move that is so decently awesome but simplistic, natural and fully functional with no abject effort occurring. it's sorta like the martial arts equivalent of being in the zone naturally by default or at will yet your choice of action can be automatic or chosen consciously. Sorry my former self would have explained it better imho. thx. for the video. you are the 1st and only person that has mentioned that the creation/destruction cycle taught in modern hsin i chuan was nit the norm. i have a full article on all the details lost years ago. i told folks this but i couldn't show the article. i also told them the 7 chakras as well as the dentine's don't actually exist. we bring those ideas into reality based on our teachings if they are legit. the chakra dynamic taught today is a full sham of something that wasn't understood and became distorted by westerns and easterners alike. at least that infi can be easily researched to prove it.
@makes-cents-online
@makes-cents-online Жыл бұрын
Center of mass
@mikelroa8719
@mikelroa8719 2 жыл бұрын
I only know one thing for sure about martial arts. A strong structure comes from strong feet.
@robertmedsker5305
@robertmedsker5305 2 жыл бұрын
Remember when its internal power it can come from the entire body when the body twitch is all of it there's alot of power..
@shank406
@shank406 2 жыл бұрын
can we get just a little bit of how to do pose training?
@EazyMac
@EazyMac 2 жыл бұрын
Search "Zhan Zhuang" (the Mandarin term for post training- mind you, there are various poses, but there is a common one that looks like hugging a tree). There are many specific conditions to satisfy just the proper physical structure of Zhan Zhuang, let alone training the Yi (Intention). Lam Kam Chuen has a very good book called "The Way of Energy" that describes the various requirements of proper physical structure, and he also has follow-along videos that teach Zhan Zhuang if you search for it on KZbin. Jonathan Bluestein wrote a very good book called "Research of Martial Arts" that has a very concise section which explains "where the power comes from" (which Chris said seemed against the laws of physics in the video) ...as well as the actual meaning of the concept of "Yi" (no, it's not just semantics), and the effects of training it. My advice: Learn Zhan Zhuang and just commit to doing it every day. You can research the how's and why's of Zhan Zhuang promoting whole body internal power that Adam demonstrated here, but ultimately, you will never get there without the practice. You'll have many hours just becoming physically capable of holding any single Zhan Zhuang posture for 45 minutes. During that time, you can research how to train your Yi (oftentimes authors tend to use the words "yi" and "qi" interchangeably, which isn't entirely wrong as the Chinese say "yi leads the qi".. but it's still wrong in the sense that yi has a specific nature, function, and method of training, separate from qi). I hope this answers your question.
@williambreazeal387
@williambreazeal387 2 жыл бұрын
From my experience you start with a very basic outline for the postural requirements for a standing post. In my case the first instruction was “stand like me”. Then the teacher gives corrections and makes small hands on adjustments as needed sometimes recommends an image to hold in mind to help address deficiencies. Post standing benefits from a “less is more” approach. If the student can just imitate the instructor by watching, then nothing more is needed. If there are errors, the instructor has a toolkit to address those. You don’t use the toolkit if there is no need. For example, if the students shoulders are rounded forward and their chest is sunken, there are pointers and images to correct that. If you apply those tools to someone whose shoulders and chest are already good, you run the risk of them having overly pulled back shoulders and and overly open chest. You stand anywhere from 15 min to a bit under an hour. After training it’s helpful take a casual walk with a friend so you can chat. The walk lets the benefits from the practice integrate into motion, and chatting keeps the mind occupied so it doesn’t undo your recent practice. The basic postural requirements are available on the internet, as are images of masters like Wang Xiang Zhai, Yao Zongxun, and Wang Xuanjie. You need an instructor on hand to make the small adjustments. The imagery also needs an instructor for the diagnosis and corrective imagery. I don’t know how the absence of an instructor impacts progress. I’m sure some it’s possible to gain mastery without hands on instruction. I just don’t know how long it would take or the success rate on average. For Yiquan there are health postures and combat postures. For martial use, if you’re healthy, you only need the combat posture. If you have health or range of motion issues, there are supplemental postures to correct those deficiencies. The most common corrective postures are for the shoulders and the kuas. As for precautions, don’t lock your knees, don’t stand for over an hour, be aware of over training signals, in particular if you experience persistent night sweats or insomnia take a break from training and go visit a TCM practitioner that works with herbal medicines.
@brokeheartwolf3733
@brokeheartwolf3733 2 жыл бұрын
🙏🙏🙏🦉
@dakotahsimonson631
@dakotahsimonson631 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen the benefits in just goofing around with my friends 😃😂😂
@JasonLaveKnotts
@JasonLaveKnotts Жыл бұрын
*Doesn't or does not instead of don't or do not is correct. It Doesn't matter is correct instead of don't matter as you are saying 'It do not matter' instead of "it does not matter".
@milehigh61
@milehigh61 4 ай бұрын
Standing practice is fundamental for the internal arts but no one wants to do it lol
@dakotahsimonson631
@dakotahsimonson631 2 жыл бұрын
This video is a huge jewl
@808frontline
@808frontline Жыл бұрын
Do you know of any Hsing Yi teachers in Hawaii??
@user-yu2fj6cm1e
@user-yu2fj6cm1e Жыл бұрын
Contact Sifu Wayde - Wing Chun Combatics, Google him, he teaches in the Pearl City area 🤙
@808frontline
@808frontline Жыл бұрын
@@user-yu2fj6cm1e thank you I really appreciate your time.
@naptus
@naptus 9 ай бұрын
Marc Melton, North American Tang Shou Tao Association, Kamuela Waimea, HI
@808frontline
@808frontline 9 ай бұрын
@@naptus awesome thank you so much I appreciate you and will check it out
@AjaychinuShah
@AjaychinuShah 2 жыл бұрын
Fact is your Approach quite rapid like rabies is just same as The Traditional Bodybuilders.... Power, speed, or eccentric overload (put mind into the pull-back of the punch.) In reality, there are lot more other ways to handle. One being deception, other being footwork, other being traps followed by Bunkai. I can go on and on about Mind.
@fucu41
@fucu41 8 ай бұрын
I gotta find a teacher .u cant learn kungfu on youtube.But excellent content .alot of fake hocus pocus kungfu stylist this is not one of them
@dakotahsimonson631
@dakotahsimonson631 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 25 lol
@AM-lh7rw
@AM-lh7rw Жыл бұрын
Hope Chris uses medicine 😮
@VanishingNomad
@VanishingNomad Жыл бұрын
HA! You lie! You ARE in a strong structure. You ARE in a stance! I see the connections! You cant fool me!
@dagrimmreepa
@dagrimmreepa 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes the ancient art of bullshido lmao Y'all know MMA exists right? We've done this experiment many times before, "kung fu" never does well XD
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 Жыл бұрын
@🚫 Srinivasa Ramanujan now, now. I totally do not believe that those Kung Fu styles that have done poorly are actually bad, it's just the way in ehich the people train them that it's wrong. But i also do not believe what you're saying. Those Kung Fu "masters" that got demolished by MMA fighters were given it their all, they just didn't train properly.
@jestfullgremblim8002
@jestfullgremblim8002 Жыл бұрын
You'll see, Kung Fu has a lot of good stuff, it's just that they only drill the techniques and never actually spar. I have not seen any martial artist managing to pull off his techniques against another fighter without having sparred before. Imagine that you do boxing and are always drilling the jab-cross, the angle changing hooks, and the check hooks but you never spar. Those techniques are 100% proven to work, but you wouldn't be able to use them (even tho they are pretty simple, now think about how complex the Kung fu moves are in comparison) because you aren't used to fighting someone that it's actually trying to not get hit, to hurt you, and to win. Without sparring, it's very hard to get good at fighting. You kind of need to be a fighting prodigy for that lol
@henrykim921
@henrykim921 Жыл бұрын
Your premise is flawed. MMA did not do well. Individuals did well. And those so called masters did not do well. So what. That just means those individuals were shitty at their martial arts or fighting or both. An individual and a martial art are different things. You don't get that?
@TaijiquanGaoshou
@TaijiquanGaoshou Жыл бұрын
Oh please, not this again. The same demo of unmovable posture, but not with a perosnal student -- walk into a local Judo club and tell them they can't move you out of your posture. Otherwise this is just a party trick -- the student produces just enough force to give "master" face, and does not chage the force of his push back to the "master"s centre although clearly feeling he's pushing air.
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