HSR 2.4 comparing jiaoqiu V5 and pela in MOC & PF

[@KEI4GAMES]

i missed a zero in results in V5, jiaoqiu's ult can only add debuff automatically 6 times, but in the english & japanese text doesn't mention that. see 5:12 and 7:22

[@renflare2570]

Say what do you think?About JQ's performance?

[@KEI4GAMES]

@@renflare2570 absolutely unnecessary

[@renflare2570]

​@@KEI4GAMESoof

[@renflare2570]

​@@KEI4GAMESits unfortunate really but oh well

[@мошонк.ежа]

Ok but it's still not finalized, right?.. since there's some time before 2.4

[@edo_punny]

What did jiaoqiu do to deserve this much hate from mihoyo them self that they gotta nerf him 5 times in a row, i feel like this is the first time i've seen a character got nerfed brutally and not getting any buffs

[@velio5832]

They overtuned Acheron, to stop her from being a complete monster than she already is. A sacrifise is needed. I'm sorry little one - Mihoyo prob.

[@The_CodFish69]

@@velio5832yet according to the leaks they are doing just that 2 FF because Lingsha is looking insane Especially with the S1. So why Nerf Jai who’s was flexible and could fit many teams just because he buffed Acheron a bit.

[@velio5832]

@@The_CodFish69 Jiaoqiu is also insane on V1, Lingsha just have to wait her fate, she still had a long road.

[@The_CodFish69]

@@velio5832 welp as a Female character there’s less of a chance to get nerfed lol…

[@YASUOMURAMASA]

​@@velio5832 watch her get straight buffs for five versions in a row 😂

[@GamingCycopath]

This is a proof that devs are dumb as hell and only care about income For those of you who dont know why they nerfed him this hard, its because acheron was doing Insane numbers in test servers cuz of him and spamming her ult every turn, basically they didnt want her to be good in pure fiction so they can sell jade and upcoming characters. So tldr: because they made acheron so broken, every nihility will suffer in the future., this shows they fucked up with acheron power creep and they know it lol. But they had to sell her e2 and even e6 😂. Damn you devs 😢

[@darkg3780]

so basically instead of getting him I'll just wait and get her E2 that is sad I prefarmed for him and his lightcone but now i'll just get another unit if they don't change him.

[@GamingCycopath]

@@darkg3780 best is to get her E2 & after that get Sparkle E2 cuz she'll buff her way more than Jiao Pela is all you need for Acheron in PF & SW in MoC basically & for Hardest PF, Dot Acheron teams will work like Blackswan

[@deedee3355]

Yup this is the only reason i can think of why they makes him like this, in some way Acheron makes Nihility characters kinda lose their unique kit other than becoming Acheron enabler, i mean even at some point sometimes i think what is the purpose of Kafka if you can bring Acheron in with BS and other dot characters unless there is a spesific DoT buff in the game content, most of the times Acheron in DoT is better than Kafka. This is coming from e0s1 Kafka haver since her first banner.

[@jorgecalvillo8655]

@@deedee3355agreed acheron was a mistake for nihility

[@GreenhouseGoblin]

I kinda agree but how do nerfs help their income if that’s all they care about lol.

[@sid8885]

Close enough, welcome back dehya.

[@HachannEinzbern]

Welcome back, Dehya 🎉

[@karakkyo5902]

imo rather then putting him down to earth with the limited 6 actions per ultimate with ultimate being 3 turns (which is making absolutely no sense, ridiculous). They should have adjust it to 6 or 5 maybe even 4 triggers (very reasonable) but when he takes turn the limit resetted, much more forgiving nerf and making him not as broken as v1 - v4

[@meso3564]

So a slight improvement but definitely not worth the 180 pulls, ty for this

[@Halverg86]

Dev so generous they give us time to save for future character by making 2.5 the most skipable patch. Since the leak said he will run along with blackswan, i wonder if i should get her even tho i don't have kafka.

[@sorashizen5130]

2.4*

[@Halverg86]

@@sorashizen5130 right. I've lost track of version already

[@cheryl7238]

yunli not worth?

[@sorashizen5130]

@@cheryl7238 not really if you have built Clara

[@ashbuddy92]

i dont have kafka too and i pull blackswan cuz of her skill point positive debuff and for PF..

[@Eclin]

Honestly the unlimited debuff on PF WAS pretty broken. They should have made him more applicable to other DPS instead, Acheron literally doesn’t need anymore to thrive lol, and the devs are scared shitless at making her too powerful with old Jiaqiu kit so they nerf him to the ground. Making him an Acheron support was a mistake. Still pretty decent tho, but his value is lower compared to the other 3 harmony characters.

[@kennethyoung7457]

Unlimited debuff was fair you can literally do that with Trend LC already so why are they nerfing the limited 5 star version of the same ability we already had. Acheron already can 40k PF without Jiaoqiu using the Trend LC there is absolutely no reason to nerf Jiaoqiu just because of that.

[@isaacsilva9048]

​@@kennethyoung7457 foi por causa do moc aonde ela tava ganhando muito stacks também, e como ela estava tendo um excelente desempenho mesmo ele sendo focado no meta de quebra de fraqueza, tiveram que nerfa pra não ofusca a vaga-lume, e pior quando ele é homen kkkk tinha gente odiando saber que o par da acheron seria um homen e não uma mulher, principalmente os amantes de Yuri.

[@TerraTheWise]

@@kennethyoung745740K isn’t trend. Thats double DoT with swan/kafka

[@LoveTheFinalGirl]

Subscribed this is one of the best showcase I’ve seen to date. Hope to see more from you ❤

[@Yinseirei]

I will get him regardless of anything he looks cool

[@mononomo7940]

They literally brutally murder any male characters bro it’s sad

[@MishaXGallagher]

i mean the fact that there's 0 top tier male support kinda says it all

[@Taunt69]

ratio and gallagoat is true chad

[@desupair]

Still too strong. Needs more nerfs😡😡😡 -mhy probably

[@hdmaad]

People were ready to ignore his NPC design for the sake of meta. But he turned out to have none of it.

[@Yinseirei]

Npc design ? Are we talking about firefly now or what

[@JamesPham1908]

@@Yinseireihe does have a npc design his outfit look the same as those regular foxians in xianzhou

[@waverton1234]

The reason people liked him was because of his pink haired foxboy design...

[@hv4304]

@@Yinseireiwhat are you on? FF does not have anything close to a npc design

[@Yinseirei]

@@hv4304 she does lmao from a design perspective she sucks compared to other limited 5s just compare her to robin and u can see the difference Only the weebs likes her bcs of the shy obedient waifu agenda

[@gerry4181]

Is he even worth it now? I have E2S1 Acheron, should I use E6 Pela instead? I also have Fu Xuan with her signature and S5 trend, which light cone is better?

[@KEI4GAMES]

i think he is unworthy, because E2S1 acheron is already have enough of damage, she needs V4 jiaoqiu to accelerate her ult but V5 jiaoqiu can only adding additional 6 debuffs per 3 turns, this change makes he can only accelerate 1 ult than pela in PF. you can still 0 cycle and 40k score in MOC and PF, just that performance makes me feel like pela is enough about fuxuan, her signature is better than trend because she has no aggro passive, that fuxuan + trend is unstable and make her low EP regen. in MOC/PF you won't feel any different but in the SU V6 you will know that EP regen is how important to her

[@gerry4181]

@@KEI4GAMES okay thanks, I'll just pull for Lingsha+Signature for Boothill. Which lightcone is better for Fu Xuan tho? Signature or S5 trend?

[@lustboom7916]

​@@gerry4181Imo for casual play trend is good to help Acheron ult. But for brutal contents like SU concondrum 12 and DU protocol 6 you better use her sign.

[@zyestes9786]

No longer worth it I guess, E1 or E2 Sparkle give more value, or E1 Fuxuan Otherwise if you planning to pull Jiaoqui, I'd suggest go for his E1 atleast since 48% dmg deal increased is crazy 😂 (If they dont plan on nerfing this 😢)

[@pally3370]

@@zyestes9786they actually did nerf his e1 in v5 lmfao they don’t want money 😂

[@GamingCycopath]

Damn they fucked my boy. I think going for e2 sparkle is better for e2 Acheron teams now guys. Don't waste shit on this fox dude.

[@IdeasAreBulletproof]

Even going for E6 Sparkle or E6 Acheron is more worth it then Wasting Jades on this foxian

[@Mar1hiko]

As much as I would love to pull for him (he's cute), I gotta say I don't wanna pull anymore. Also, unrelated but his head is the only thing good here because the outfit is fucking horrible.

[@wianwelgemoed5408]

@@Mar1hikoI also wanted to pull for him because he is very pretty, but now that he doesn’t even feel like a big upgrade compared to Pela I might need to skip 😢

[@Mar1hiko]

@@wianwelgemoed5408 this is sad 😢

[@haveagoodday7021]

At least his lc is good for Guinafen...I guess? Man he really is in a rough spot

[@The_CodFish69]

As someone who’s stuck with Guin for my Acheron team seeing him get Sent to the Shadow realm hurts me a bit o well I got lucky and have E2S1 FF to carry my Weak ass Acheron team in MoC…

[@Edmondd94]

Thank you very much for the showcase!

[@grmp1e]

idc what y'all say but im still getting jiaoqiu go e0s1 for my acheron e0s1. this can still have a change since jiaoqiu is still far from release

[@KazuoKei43]

the kit is final bro

[@grmp1e]

@@KazuoKei43 my bad bro still pulling tho

[@AJLaz000]

I am SO close to just pulling for Jade out of spite they absolutely massacred my boy he went from a unique one of a kind debuffing mini healer to a basic ah dot side grade I'm still holding out the tiniest copium of hope for some kind of change for V6(if V6 even is possible) but if this is his final kit? I'm just gonna skip

[@youness4247]

there's no V6 .. It's over

[@hdmaad]

Jade is more universal. She's making PF ridiculously easy and enhances AoE and Blast DPS very well. Her restriction is lifted by her E1, allowing Hunt unit to benefit from her buff too

[@raymond7873]

If you were planning to get him for PF, don't, it's not worth it anymore due to the new stack limit. You're better off just getting Jade for this mode instead, Jade + Herta/Himeko is enough.

[@zelphus6036]

No V6 but you can hope, they change him before his release

[@towa7916]

@@hdmaad But PF is already ridiculously easy lol. I did 80000 points without her. And shes not that good against big elites and bosses while Jing Yuan and Argenti can destroy them.

[@Secret123890]

What a great video!!!

[@eldijdjbruh214]

Damn who let hoyoverse cooks

[@youness4247]

What not being a waifu does to a Hoyo character ...

[@mohmedabdo4681]

That didn't stop them with Aventurine and Neuvillette in genshin. For example, unfortunately, bro wasn't waifu enough, nor was he husbando enough

[@youness4247]

@@mohmedabdo4681 Aventurine and Neuvillette ... only 2 characters compared to the dozens we have ..

[@mohmedabdo4681]

@youness4247 There are more good male characters, but yeah, truth be told, they usually nerf the guys more than the gals

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

​@@mohmedabdo4681 Boothill as well

[@DRealLove]

Thanks for the v5 pf showcase. Still gonna get JQ e1s1 now thanks to this.

[@stigma-gamesshiert9232]

Bro its the shatter inflicted on using ultimate that is blinding you, jiaoqiu is ass

[@DRealLove]

@@stigma-gamesshiert9232 I've already calculated how much damage he gets me in single target and its 700k more than pela so it's worth it for me. I just wanted to see what the stack count was in this vid to confirm something for myself.

[@YiazmatXI]

There's also the DoT aspect that could be nice to see, in PF especially with BS and Kafka

[@krouronii8867]

Guess this prompts me to save and just get blackswan to complete my DoT setup and e2 my acheron so i can run her with bronya or sparkle and then focus on getting more op supports that has more versatility that i don't have yet, so i have just enough time to get firefly on her rerun.

[@Ivan-ny8es]

I’m sorry but I genuinely don’t see where the hate is coming from???? She does higher damage with Jiaoqiu than with Pela. She gets her Ult up faster with Jiaoqiu than with Pela. Jiaoqiu does more damage than pela. Jiaoqiu can be a side grade to Ruan Mei while Pela can’t. So what am I missing???

[@xo8677]

Yeah, the performance was great! I'm excited to have him for my E0S0 Acheron lol.

[@DennyTheReaper]

10% better for 160pulls, yeah worth it surely. If u would seen him on v1 u would know why ppl are mad

[@LoveTheFinalGirl]

@@DennyTheReaperit’s 300 pulls this showcases him with his lc.

[@zyestes9786]

Bruh you can skip to the end and see the comparison table.. Pela is 4 star unit with normal LC where as Jiaoqiu 5 star and using signature LC.. They both doing same ult amount in MOC and only 1 different in PF.. Dmg, yeah a bit highest but not that significant.. 😢

[@Mantoire]

Right? Did we watch the same video? He let Acheron comfortably 0 cycle, which Pela did not achieve, and he also let her comfortably 40k in PF, which Pela also did not achieve. Do people think the diff between e6 4star support and a 5star is that massive? S1 Sparkle was only a 1 cycle improvement for both my JY and Argenti teams compared to Hanya, someone else's BS was only a 1 cycle improvement over S1 Sampo, that IS the norm.

[@Methuselah_Stardust]

WHY?!! why nerfing the character I wanted so hard that I have 420 pulls ready for him and I have guaranteed for losing in Ruan Mei banner.. Please hoyo, make him the best nihility character

[@Mitsuri7878]

0:46 В случае с Цзяоцю Ты не использовал ульту искорки А с пелой использовал... Это не считается

[@gta5lorecarreviews36]

Man this is honestly so sad hoyoverse rlly is sexist they hate males but love females :/

[@somethinburning]

Demn from nerfing characters to sexism I don't like where this is going XD

[@gta5lorecarreviews36]

@@somethinburning i said sexism as a joke but if u rlly look at it they always shit on their male characters always nerfing the males but the females get buffs and good treatment most of the time hoyoverse favors waifus more than husbandos

[@waverton1234]

@@AzureNeko2 Simply not true genshin was just equal

[@waverton1234]

@@AzureNeko2 What do you mean by who? Plenty of genshin women have been meta, both as dps and support, same with guys, so it's an equal game hsr doesn't even have any playable male harmony and comparing danheng to firefly and acheron is lol Firefly got tailor made set and planar even tho technically boothill is also break and they could've been made to benefit both of them The most broken role - harmony is ruled by waifus 0 chance of ever building a husbando only team

[@aclownonyoutube]

REALEST OF THE REAL, I NEED JUSTICE FOR MY MEN

[@milliliters930]

Till today, my Pela still has no Resolution LC, and I've been here since HSR started. So kinda still getting him out of necessity.

[@Swutsy]

I like how Both MOC halves do about the same damage on acheron ultimate but Jiaoqui provided so fast stacks that sparkle couldnt even use the skill yet for the 100% crit dmg bonus on acheron Let haters be hatin but they are defenitly missing out i can understand not wanting to replace your black swan with him for kafka teams for waifu value but for acheron teams its a very huge Win for getting him a single copy. Pela is a kid anyway dont need her on my lineup People just coping that they have no wishes left after firefly and jade xD

[@helios4k722]

No, people just don't want to spend jade to get stacks faster, but in practice it makes no difference at all

[@mars__1400]

im just going to get his LC & give it to my guin ☠️ but if there's pullable characs after them then i just wont pull in general.

[@leadcatn4296]

The misinformation in this comment section is wild. He didnt got ‘nerfed brutally’ at all, his only significant nerf is the 6 stack v5 cap which make him less op in pure fiction. Other than that dont tell me u think a support dealing less 5% damage is anything significant. They trade that for more utility in dot team so he has more use outside acheron team now. His use in acheron team from v1 to v5 didnt change a single thing!!! Outside dealing less 5% dmg for a support which didnt matter anyway. And the ‘healing’ thing is from a leaked kit long ago, it didnt even make it to beta so stop mourning stuff that doesnt exist. I still think he is underwhelming but they didnt nerf him that much at all

[@locket9160]

wait pardon me if i'm wrong but, what other teams is he even bis in now other than acheron?

[@leadcatn4296]

@@locket9160 i just said he has more use now, his only bis team is still acheron. In dot team he clear in same cycle with rm from what i see but rm dot team is still faster. Also he should be good for ratio too but i havent seen anyone testing it so cant say

[@nono-lq5uy]

Jiaoqiu with his lc is 16 percent worse than gunaifen with jiaoqiu's lc in a dot team. Ruan mei is 25 percent better than jiaoqiu. His e1 went from Multiplictive buff to additive buff. He was a support who deals damage now he is 5 to 10 percent worse damage dealer. Jiaoqiu previous trace basically gave him a different debuff for dr ratio team and also indirectly increased ehr by 25.

[@leadcatn4296]

@@nono-lq5uy if u are talking about the spread sheet,it just in theory and very misleading,remember the calcs ‘black swan 10% better than sampo?’, there are actual showcase on the leaks sub that show gui with his lc still clears slower than jq with pearls.the e1 multiple thing was again, misleading. It was always additive until v4 when they change it to multiplication and then change back to additive. In v4 no one notice the multiplication thing has any effect compared to previous version, so its very likely that is a wording mistake in v4 and get corrected.also where does rm 25% better than jq come from? I would like to see it and also, its better to watch actual showcase than rely on calcs

[@locket9160]

@@leadcatn4296 i see. thanks for the reply

[@raidenmiyawaki]

Wow.. he's the most underwhelming 5 star.. apart from his design he seems to be just barely hanging as a five star.. I'mma pass I guess, I wanted him because I've been pulling girlies ever since... Such a lost cause..😢

[@ninthfriend3347]

So only ulting one more time compare to Pela whereas as Acheron was able to ult 11+ times in pf before... Imagine e0 and/or s1 performance with the v5 Jiaoqiu. They should have not added the trigger limit...

[@DRealLove]

Well it actually can go up to 9 times with good rng, but still it was no reason to add a stack limit.

[@KEI4GAMES]

never mind, you can still get 40k score and 0 cycle with trigger limit just, you know, see the results, it's very unworthy and has no impact anymore

[@yes-zm9gx]

When will sparkle get rerun?

[@conscript6955]

Man i wasted my guaranteed on jing yuan instead of her…. It still keeps me up at night

[@raymond7873]

I'm guessing 2.5 if the leaks that HH and BS is rerunning in 2.4 turns out to be true.

[@JayDamaso78]

Opposite Jiaoqiu lol

[@zxcentsensei.sunder]

Seems like pela won't be dished out from my Ratio sustainless comp

[@xo8677]

Looks great!

[@犯病-u1f]

I almost felt like everyone here has 2+1 for Acheron. What if Pela is used in other team, Gui can trigger her talent because Jiao’s debuff is considered burning. At the end we use the character that match with the enemies’ weakness and the stage’s buff, but I will still not recommend him to normal players due to his debuff is very limited to ultimate, his lc is definitely a better choice

[@ulkiwbb]

what about e0s1 acheron with pela/jiaoqiu vs pela/guinaifen?

[@isekaidoctor]

what are they nerfing besides the e1 ? and how many debuff can he stacks with his lc that can increase acheron stacks ?

[@tsuwan6952]

Bro went from possibly good 5 star support to just a 4 star in disguise.....WHY HOYO WHY!

[@ayacca]

This poor *5 star* fox is truly a nice guy... He makes the other 4 stars in game look good 😂👍🏼 He was meant to be a luxury support for Acheron I guess hoyo were afraid making acheron too strong, so they nerfed fox boy to hell. He's a perfectly "usable character" Despite being nerfed to the ground... Acheron is still strong.

[@QSmith-os9zq]

Should I get black swan or jiaoqiu for my e0 s1 acheron?

[@wessix_0]

black swan is better, it hits from the card and reduces defense from the ult

[@Dangos-qj8yy]

A question….i have Guinafen and E6 Pela,but I don’t like to use them at all…and I don’t like silver wolf,.but I need a nilithy Charakter besides my Welt so is it worth to pull him if I need one since I don’t use the others?becouse I really don’t want to build my pela,I like him too sm,but many people say it’s not worth if you have her😭😅

[@kurakawa6351]

V5 is the last version? zero chance of him receiving any buffs until his release?

[@PoyoPoyomfs]

Yeah

[@danielak1666]

​@@AzureNeko2he is still better than Pela and most likely Guinafen just as shown in this video, just not by much which make the situation just awkward.

[@lelakisedap577]

plzzzzzz BS comparing lc sign Jq and sign Bs

[@arcuslux516]

So is he just not worth getting at E0 no LC?

[@ShayIsSleepy]

Hey would he be worth for my Acheron? She does like 100k+ damage usually and doesnt have lightcone yet shes also E0. I use her with bs pela and aventurine It's also worth mentioning that I don't have any harmony characters other than 4stars and htb (I keep loosing to them)

[@illusica]

I think if you only have one debuffer for her he has to be an upgrade on your account.

[@jenicolayog8924]

Yha jiaoqiu will be good for your acheron team considering your acheron is at E0 only so it a big change for your acc

[@fuumaruu7486]

If E0 it's better for your account

[@maxjames-fy4tt]

Get Acheron LC instead

[@jordimaulanafikri8114]

Then save up for Acheron LC

[@Rave45-g4v]

Jiaque is just combination guin and lc trend, he not worth it for 90-180 pull, better save to upgrade my acheron to E2

[@s3roverse]

Noooooooooo why did they nerf himmmm I needed him for my Acheronnnn hoyo you money crazed bastardddd

[@Condensed_rock]

Theres no choice but black swan, sw, and pela at this point 😭🙏

[@Infernaladmiral]

RIPBOZO lmao,what,you wanted your acheron to do 10 million dmg every ult? the nerf was well deserved.

[@Condensed_rock]

@@Infernaladmiral they shouldve just nerf acheron's multipliers instead of jiaoqiu

[@ManuMidnight]

I m not willing to pull E2 acheron at all, so is it better to get jq ? Or I keep my current team with BS and pela?

[@karakkyo5902]

how about put that "i'm not willing" aside and just chug it down, i mean just pull her E2 and sign. or just stay whatever ur team currently is... he is just so so, nah not really, he sucks

[@forwhat9655]

JQ of course. E0 Acheron JQ Pela + sustain >> E2 Acheron Pela Sparkle + sustain. Yes this is just a DPS per screenshot, but still😂

[@stigma-gamesshiert9232]

Bro u must be crazy, Forget Jiaoqiu and get that e2. Jiaoqiu has been butchered to a universal debuffer. With e2 and any harmony with pela, any moc 12 is cleared. And in purefiction with a trend sustain, minimum 25k. Herta carry u on the otherside and u should always get at least 55k and even 60k with a built herta. Skip jiaoqiu

[@forwhat9655]

@@stigma-gamesshiert9232 with E0 any moc 12 is cleared, nah E2. As for me, I prefer variety of characters

[@jhonhvz]

Hope they'e going to give him for free cuz that E0 is not worth it

[@Yuuki-dayo]

Quick question I have an E0 S1 Acheron,is Jiaoqiu even worth it after V5?If not is his LC worth on Guinaifen? If both are not worth I'll skip the whole patch Yunli is not worth it simce I have E3 Clara now

[@Thivesh_]

To be frank , JQ is better than Gunaifen by a lot , Gunaifen vulnerability isn't consistent and takes time to stack . Jiaoqiu vulnerability is so consistent in fact you can easily reach max stacks when a new wave of enemies appears. His debuff is more consistent compared to even pela and silver wolf. He is worth it on e0 Acheron teams but not much on E2 acheron because of sparkle existence. But he solves a problem in E2 Acheron teams where generally two nihility means faster Acheron stacks , if U put 1 harmony+ 1 nihility, Acheron stacks generated by the team is reduced by a chunk amount. So having a Jiaoqiu solves that problem. .

[@Yuuki-dayo]

@@Thivesh_ I do have E0S1 Sparkle as well & there are times where I actually pair her with Acheron along with Black Swan here. If I do decide to run a 3 nihility team it's either Pela or Silver Wolf for me there. I'm still considering Jiaoqiu since almost everyone is saying that he became from the most hyped to the worst 5 star to pull yet & regarding the fact I have E6 Pela, Black Swan & Silver Wolf now. The decision is still hard to make here especially regarding the future units that I may pull. Regardless not only by meta wise I still do see if I rly like their gameplay mechanics/animations that I find fun so I'll just pull for em but for Acheron here, I do wanna get her a proper team just like my other main dps's

[@Thivesh_]

@@Yuuki-dayo acheron rerun is around the corner. If you have enough pulls for acheron E2 and e0 JQ , go for it . Otherwise just skip for E2 acheron. Do you have e0s1 adventurine? Trend lc doesn't work when JQ is in ur team . So U gotta have e0s1 adventurine if you want ur sustain to contribute Acheron stacks.

[@Thivesh_]

@@Yuuki-dayo since U have silver wolf , are you willing to E2 sparkle? If you do that , U can run quantum set on Acheron for more def shred . Def shred does a lot of damage.

[@Yuuki-dayo]

@@Thivesh_ Sadly I lost during the Aventurine banner & Fu Xuan too but I do have Gepard tho will he work instead? I have an S5 trend lc so should I just replace my current signature Gepard LC with that?

[@sakutaro3musik486]

any chance he becomes a standard character or free like ratio?

[@MishaXGallagher]

no

[@VuNguyen-zc1qe]

does pela good with jiaoqiu lc?

[@MishaXGallagher]

no

[@shiirashinkai1]

is he worth to pull or ez skip?

[@KEI4GAMES]

in my opinion, if you want to save your jades, skip

[@katinthegetto2916]

no one wanted jiaoqiu to have a dot.. and even if people did want it the dot is so disastrously bad just run Gui instead

[@insaneglitchxd287]

Hes meant to be used WITH pela/sw, not ALONE. Stop comparing. Hes an ADDITIONAL debuffer, he provides an entirely different stat debuff. He's meant to be used in a multi-nihility team comp, like dot, or acheron + 2 nihility. There is no world where they can make a debuffer be too overpowered because then he just enables everything to be broken. So of course when you compare them he's not going to add a lot on his own. We can cap out defense shred, so he adds another layer of debuffs to add on more damage. He adds on easily another 300k+ when used with pela. You people who keep on trying to compare him to pela or have him be used solo with acheron are going to continue to be disappointed because that is now how he is meant to be used.

[@Shadowenclave47]

Is he worth it for my Acheron or should i pull Black Swan instead?

[@Gachafinat]

Black swan epiphany makes acherona nuke get her

[@BlackXief]

It's not yours, when most people have it 😂

[@quockhanh5740]

@@Gachafinat tf bro black swan epiphany doesn't increase acheron's dmg. it only increases the dmg enemies take DURING their turn.

[@coldbacon4869]

@@quockhanh5740yeah, so guess what happens when you use Acherons ult on an enemy turn.

[@electrickzy]

@@coldbacon4869if you use her ult , i'm pretty sure an enemy won't get a turn 9 times out of 10 unless it's a big boss💀💀💀

[@frostbitexyz2915]

man that thumbnail

[@chronicallygaga]

i blame acheron

[@LeftyPencil]

Nah, blame the root, Hoyo.

[@Secret123890]

I'm thinking to pull his LC and give it to Pela tho

[@ninthfriend3347]

Will not work with pela as it only works with dots.

[@Secret123890]

@@ninthfriend3347 ah shit, right, they changed it............ I HATE THEM

[@LeftyPencil]

Can give it to Gui or Sampo, or use it for the EHR and vulnerable for Ratio teams.

[@MakingCakesEveryday]

At this point better just make jiao qiu a 4* bruhh

[@LarryLee-r8x]

Anderson Charles Brown Ruth Hernandez Edward

[@43z24]

What changes on v5 JQ

[@ManuMidnight]

They limited his stacks on his ult to 6 only, personally i wanted him for "pf acheron " but now that they nerfed it I need to reconsider it

[@drkamp41]

thanks for the showcase. for next time, can you try to just adjust acheron crit rate to 100%? there's a lot of hits in damage from acheron ult. sometimes i see pela team do a lot more damage when they should not. and is always an dmg difference between the two teams of like 200k+ so I think acheron missed a crit or something in her last 7 hits (sometimes pela team wins, sometimes JQ team wins when 1 team should always be ahead theoretically)

[@KEI4GAMES]

this acheron is from my official account and she has 98% crit rate in battle i think the reason of that is because sometimes jiao cant get the maximum stack or maybe sparkle's buff is end anyway, those situations are just what i will face

[@DemiDrako]

Acheron Emanator Acheron only strongest in nihility other nihility character kit are downgraded or cut in half thanks to Acheron position

[@itzlemontzcameback80]

Jiaoqiu was made to powercreep Pela. Pela still comes on top

[@scrunksupremacy]

i wish they hadn't nerfed him, and i wish i wasn't gonna still pull for him....hahahaha.

[@MishaXGallagher]

wow so sad nerf pig

[@wessix_0]

мда, если у вас есть гуйнайфэнь, то смысла крутить цзяоцю нет, он довольно таки проходной перс и саппорт

[@noreakseymeang5641]

Nah I’d lose

[@Condensed_rock]

Basically enables acheron on pf, who even uses acheron on pf anyway..

[@justforfunje]

i did 😂, and planning to pull him for PF acheron. now i have to use my E2 firefly as support

[@electrickzy]

I do , she helped me clear pf with ease🙂

[@Yinseirei]

Everyone use her in pf

[@towa7916]

Yeah tbh with all those Erudition characters we have...any upgrade for PF feels unnecessary. I think it's just better to pull Jing Yuan, Argenti or Jade for pf then pulling this fox dude for pf.

[@gharbisyassine7576]

Unfair comparison putting his sig lc ,while putting luka’s on pela

[@renflare2570]

@@gharbisyassine7576 i think theres no point of Giving Pela another LC since Pearls Give her another def shred to compete with JQ 70+ vulnerability

[@gharbisyassine7576]

@@renflare2570 vul is more powerful than def shred , the lcs value are obv unfair , that’s what i am pointing at. U can’t be comparing firefly s1 with acheron s0 for example

[@renflare2570]

​@@gharbisyassine7576 i see though Giving JQ lc To pela to even things out?But i doubt that would change much tbh,Even in the first ult,JQ acheron Ult Gave out 1.1 mil dmg without sparkles ult and Skill while pela acheron Gave 1.3mil with Pela ult and sparkle Skill and Ult

[@777stormcrow777]

@@gharbisyassine7576 JQ LC got nerfed on v4. Only procs if you apply dot

[@gharbisyassine7576]

@@renflare2570 i am not mentioning the cycle difference that occurred bcs he didn’t skill aven in the end of the cycle so he can use his burst and get her stacks to ult and 0 cycle , but i am pointing at the dmg diff , u should be at least comparing fairly when showcasing dmg

[@Mitsuri7878]

Nah.. feixiao way better Than this fox dude

[@biggysmals9715]

He's finally balanced, was worried that Hoyo would powercreep RM

[@biggysmals9715]

Still very powerful!

[@hdmaad]

She's still be powercreep since BE won't be meta in the next patch anyway

[@Infernaladmiral]

ikr,trashcheron mains wanted him to be beyond broken

[@chilliepeono6822]

Thank goodness he's nerfed, i did not want to pull a 5 star man for my queen, Mei 🤢

[@diego6991]

Fr🤣

[@Yinseirei]

Bro go outside touch some grass and breath some air

[@MrJceOfficial]

Mid Character Design + Kit = Trash 😂

[@Adrianvazquez-bt7st]

Ofc they decide to nerf a character that everyone anticipated a shity company runninf a good game. How crucial

[@shiirashinkai1]

is he worth to pull or ez skip?

[@thedeathmatchrun2366]

not worth 180 pulls just for a slight increase in damage

[@reezy1441]

Ez skip

[@RexnanoX]

@@thedeathmatchrun2366 where 180 pulls come from?

[@QuietCrow009]

@@RexnanoX It's 180 for hard pity on weapon and character I believe.

[@jordimaulanafikri8114]

Ez skip