Jiaoqiu or E2 Acheron? | Memory of Chaos 2.3 | Honkai: Star Rail

[@hugomartinez6985]

Not everything is about damage itself, just the fact that jiaoqiu makes accheron so good in pure fiction with the application of ashen roast

[@sydorovich2532]

Yes, a lot of people underrate this fact, he would make her SIGNIFICANTLY stronger in PF, essentially making her universal all 3 mode dps like Yunli which is extremely good for F2P players.

[@benleeford6670]

Чистый Вымысел итак легко проходится,лол

[@potatochobit]

what does he do different than black swan?

[@hugomartinez6985]

@@potatochobit black Swan is more like a subdps with low debuff, it would be like a dual carry comp. Jiaoqiu is a mostly a debuffer supp that multiplies Accheron's damage. He's perfect for low investment teams with Accheron e0 and gives the same results that Accheron e2 with Sparkle. Black Swan is crazy for her in pf, but in terms of damage the very total to one wave is higher with jiaoqiu, which is important due to the future single carry meta we will have. Though, he's a very niche character and not a significant change for those who already have Accheron e2 (I'm not getting it). Black Swan is a better pick in general but I just want a low investment Accheron working while I save for the future.

[@cleod7439]

Sparkle help her the same for pure fiction

[@foxley95]

Imagine if they kept jiaoqiu's original kit, it might elimimate the need of sustain and we can use that slot for support character like RM or sparkle and acheron team will be so broken

[@AdamNRG316]

Is there a pic or anything of his original kit? I'm starting to think he never actually had that in his kit, but people saw "healer" (As in who he is as a character) put two and two together and got 9.

[@Internextion]

@@AdamNRG316 cant you just google jiaoqiu leaked kit and find it?

[@bedazzlingkitten123]

​@@AdamNRG316ngl, I've been wondering the same thing 😂

[@nikkisartfyworld1929]

Whilst i dont hv the screenshot of his test kit , but yeah , in test beta he healed and had a far better kit tbh. That's why most are disappointed on his new kit , even myself cuz his test kit was rlly good . Too bad hoyo nerfed and roubded him aroubd Acheron's team ​@@AdamNRG316

[@mako3702]

@@AdamNRG316Google “jiaoqiu preliminary kit” and you should see it. there was indeed healing, but an unspecified amount

[@vfdioxy4257]

I think that E2 acheron might a bit better performance wise, but from a player's perspective I would much rather have a new character on my account to have a more diversified gameplay and have more fun compared to an eidelon

[@vermilion6966]

This. Eidolons is for people with fat wallets. Regular players simply cant afford it if they have to sacrifice getting 2 new characters instead

[@Kon6I9]

Vertical investment is underrated. It's good to have a single highly invested character thats so op they can never get powercrept. Instead of a bunch of low invested characters that become irrelavant after a few patches.

[@vermilion6966]

@@Kon6I9 theres no such thing 'never can get powercrept' Everything will sooner or later

[@_JoeVer]

jiaoqiu and "diversified gameplay" in the same sentence😂😂😂

[@hershyijustshatmyself9253]

​@@vermilion6966 the thing is, a highly invested character will still be of use to you for much longer than a barely invested character. This is why I'll still try to get E0S1 Jiaoqiu despite my current Acheron team being good enough: it'll cement a team for each side of MoC/PF/AS everytime that I'll only have to worry about my 2nd team to achieve great results. And, even if the day comes that Acheron does get powercrept, she'll still be serviceable, and that's the beauty of such investments: you still get great value over it, because even if they aren't the strongest anymore, 98% of the time, they're almost good enough to clear, and that's what's important.

[@TheLastGhostLegendario]

Okay holy cow, not only u need 1 copy less in 5 stars value he makes acheron in PF good, noice.

[@TheeGull0213]

Why 1 copy less? Isn't it 2 copy because it's E0S1 Acheron vs E2S1 Acheron and jiaoqiu and sparkle are both E0S1.

[@iliketrainz4030]

​​@@TheeGull0213e2 Acheron is 2 more 5 stars off the base and Jiaoqiu E0 is only one. The guy probably doesn't wanna pull for the signatures so he's subtracting the 1 five star Jiaoqiu from the 2 Acheron dupes

[@TheeGull0213]

@@iliketrainz4030 i don't get it. Let's say 1 limited 5 star character or eidolon is 1 cost and disregarding the LC since both showcase have 3 sig LC. The E2 acheron with sparkle has 5 cost and E0 Acheron with jiaoqiu only has 3 cost. So it is 2 less 5 star copy.

[@theaegislash8249]

@@TheeGull0213 They prob alr have sparkle or smth

[@iliketrainz4030]

@@TheeGull0213 i mean probably assuming the guy has both acheron and sparkle already since for e2 acheron if you have sp positive debuffer and sustain then you can use a bronya.

[@dante19890]

Jiaoqiu still gonna be best in slot of Acheron wheter its e0 or e2

[@thetitanpuiz2436]

Yeah bcuz not only just JQ's Damage increase Debuff, But Because He's Acheron's Fuel, JQ can Fill up Acheron's Slashed Dream quickly

[@Shikyouu]

best slot = aren't significant enough to replace other's support 😂😂

[@Luuk45798]

@@Shikyouuit is, he is a 20% increase to pela in both st and aoe, and compared to SW he is 10% in st and 65% in aoe

[@dante19890]

@@Shikyouu he is 30% better according to calcs

[@Shikyouu]

@@dante19890 i got that but in general not everyone struggling to clear content especially with well invested archeron so well see if im personally going to pull for him

[@thaitoan4760]

All we need is a sustain that apply debuff every time they take action and Acheron is complete

[@chllwthlln2295]

? What do u mean

[@tomdoesgaming3398]

you slow? ghalagher exist

[@C_H_I_C_K_E_N__N_U_G_G_E_T]

E2 aventurine iirc

[@thaitoan4760]

@@chllwthlln2295 i mean when they normal attack or skill it will cause debuff

[@littlemask9294]

isnt lingsha able to do that? shes in beta but i think her talents said smth like that so it may change

[@deedee3355]

yes Jiao might not at Robin and RM level but people keep saying Jiao is Pela sidegrade, what a pretentious and copium community

[@taru5156]

most of them who doompost him are incels anyways, u can see the pattern. unless its a waifus they could simp they will hating lol

[@moxxiee1681]

@@taru5156lit

[@typicalhitman4115]

If he can make my Acheron go brrr then yessir

[@zegrathbloodshade5785]

i don’t like him, but i agree he get too much hate he won’t be RM level of upgrade but he is still a good upgrade, i won’t tho cause cause he need his LC

[@QLooooG]

This is because of high expectations

[@Avrgpantheonenjoyer]

Why not both 😂😂

[@SeanBunchrea]

it would be a waste because you cant take Pela away from Acheron team

[@AcheronStan]

⁠@@SeanBunchrea they’re talking abt the jiaoqiu team but with e2 acheron

[@monke-mk5]

​@@SeanBunchreavulnerability is actually 10% better (with the same amount) than def break most of the time except when def break is past 90%. After that vulnerability continues to get better because its not cap at 100% like def break.

[@kevingraham4736]

​@user-kr8pn1gd2w yea you can lol.

[@iamthesenate8825]

No money

[@ranzyo4480]

So acheron e0 + jiaoqiu is the same as acheron e2 + sparkle. Jiaoqiu is incredible

[@Aha-is-elation]

Sparkle is more universal than him , people complaining about him because he is really niche in any other team (even dot) so if you don’t have Acheron you have no reason pulling for him

[@O_Matt]

​@@Aha-is-elation Ele funciona com dot e também usável em times que se quer debuffs, principalmente pq o buff de aumento de dano dele é universal. E vale mais a pena ter acheron, sparkle e jiaoqiu todos E0 do que acheron E2 e sparkle, por exemplo, acho que a questão aqui é essa.

[@blazikenfury8852]

​@@Aha-is-elation From what I understand he was on par with Ruan Mei in DOT unless you had highly whaled investment. Even upto E1 Kafka/Swan as those Eidolons are teamwide buffs.

[@nopputhihk848]

​@@blazikenfury8852uhh no, where did you heard that from? The augument is that with him you can free ruan mei for break team (copium 100%) otherwise no don't pull.

[@ForTheViolence]

@@nopputhihk848 There's several videos directly comparing the two, the numbers are pretty similar for teamwide damage.

[@nahueee247]

El video que buscaba 👏🏻 gracias !!!

[@monbebehere1607]

But shouldn’t you put trend lc on Aven for the side without JQ to get stacks

[@mantapbro5871]

His lc also can make his FUA add stack for Acheron.

[@OgZz73]

Jiaoqiu cancels trend viability cause he gives stacks regardless of who the enemy attacks when they attack

[@Mariengrad1648]

@@OgZz73 On the other hand trend has the advantage of being able to give stacks for both attacks when an enemy's turn is 2 attacks. Jiaoqiu only gives one stack. The second attack for elites is often AoE, so it still makes sense to run Trend with JQ. JQ guarantees a charge off the first attack and Trend gives the charge for the second attack.

[@OgZz73]

@@Mariengrad1648 good info

[@Waisamakk]

@@Mariengrad1648iirc, an enemy’s second action counts as an extra action not another turn so trend will still proc but Acheron will still get 1 stack. Trends is still ok tho during jq ULT downtime.

[@JumpyWizard00]

It would be interesting to see the difference between an E1 JQ vs E1 sparkle as well as I think both Eidolons are extremely good with Sparkle's rerun coming up!

[@Yuki5342-b6p]

Or better yet have both! I can alr 0 cycle Argenti in this MoC 12. The team i use is E2 Acheron, E2 SW, E2 Sparkle and E2 FX. I run 46% CR which turns into 100% with this team and 230% crit damage that becomes 450% buffed and i have 4.2k Atk or almost 5k while buffed. 720k single target damage max buffed. I'm wondering what an E1 Jiaoqiu replacing SW can do. My single target will go down to around 650k i've caled but my AoE will improve immensely. I should in total be able to get another ult off with Jiaoqiu as well so even then, damage per cycle wise even vs 1 it goes up by a lot.

[@pally3370]

@@Yuki5342-b6pat that point, run without a sustain! Use E1 RM or a bronya and do the sparkle-bronya ult tech with jiaoqiu and hit 1 mil ST lol!

[@Yuki5342-b6p]

@@pally3370 FX gets me to 100% CR, i like 100% CR. :3 Plus if you can 0 cycle with a sustain why take it off, i would probably try if i can't 0 cycle with a sustain just to see if i could. :P

[@Sky-8754]

Now i get why they nerf him because dude was so broken they had nerf him

[@Shikyouu]

let hoyo cook hotpot 😂😂

[@skidee229]

thank you for this

[@tienking485]

I have Acheron at E3S1 right now with pela, silver wolf and loucha/gall. Its been fine so far nothing really "Hardcore" that need me to change to pull for sparkle nor jaioqiu. Average 2-3 cycle clear MOC 12/PF 12*/Apoc 12* is pretty decent. So for me, gonna try to get her to E6 when she comes back is mainly the goal. But the speed of jia and spark give to her is very Clear, better time and faster stacks, however i gonna try to stay strong for that rerun.

[@aidapermatarico]

Just use both of them ig. Cause i wanna pull both

[@gamerbeast0377]

The fact that Jiaoqiu E0S1 is on par with E2S1 Acheron + Sparkle is lowkey funny. And people somehow manage to gaslight themselves into thinking he's a bad unit.

[@sirsuntar8717]

If I counted correctly, and with the same targeting, Gepard with Trends would have given about 4-5 more stacks than Aventurine (without skill rng). Without Aventurine S1 the difference probably gets big enough for another Acheron Ult. Meaning, if it's Trends Gepard with E2 Acheron and S0 Aventurine there is a difference of an entire Acheron Ult, probably enough to put E2 ahead by a cycle count. On top of that, if Trends Gepard is your Acheron Sustain, you're most likely losing out on an entire ultimate in the E0 vs E2 teams, making E2 pull head for you. Until you can replace Gepard with Gallagher/Aventurine that is.

[@ThaoHoang-pb2nq]

aventurine signature gives lots of stack, whenever he uses follow up

[@jin8982]

Or you can use Gallagher

[@FeyFae32]

S0 Aventurine would use Trend as well. Which would result in more stacks compared to S1 so... (FUA only triggered 4 times. He was hit 8 times there)

[@Akuji.]

Also don't forget jiao self dot dmg

[@ranzyo4480]

Can you compare e0s0 jiaoqiu acheron silverwolf and any one sustain vs e0s0 jiaoqiu acheron pela and any one sustain. Please, its to see who is better beetween silver wolf and pela.

[@carlosschoeneck1354]

Pela is probably better; she has an AOE defense shred, while SW only targets a single enemy

[@td984]

Pela is better, because SW is reliant on Pela's def shred in order to proc Tutorial as soon as possible. Otherwise it is impossible for her to ult turn 1.

[@redlineup7391]

Используй вместе. Чем больше срез защиты, тем больше профит

[@hershyijustshatmyself9253]

Pela would be generally better, but SW would pull ahead by a good margin on single target. Again, no need to test this, just remember: Pela for general use, SW for single target SPECIFICALLY. That's how deep it goes

[@migurusu-saint9160]

Still wondering what happens if you replaced pela with JQ in e2 acheron team? Will it be better, or just the same damage plus the faster charge?

[@migurusu-saint9160]

@sarettodn5708 so given that, would a sparkle e1s1 & JQ e0s1 be better than a pela e6pearls & JQ e1s1? Getting a e2 sparkle to match would mean JQ Pela is just the better comp 😅

[@cornflakebutsilly]

I tested them in the same moc, jiaoqiu was 1 cycle faster than Pela

[@SeanBunchrea]

No That 40% Def shred from Pela is a big deal

[@tracytan5488]

@sarettodn5708 hmm, i m currently running acheron e2, sparkle e0s1, pela and gepard with trend, can e0s0 jiaoqiu replace gepard? or i should wait for another 5* nihility

[@dante19890]

yes it will be an improvement

[@littlebigeats7682]

E2 is 2 characters. JQ is one, remember that guys

[@alexleonard2348]

I already have e2 Acheron, do you think Jiaoqiu is still a great upgrade in this case?

[@denypratama3658]

mayhaps. If you want to maximize your acheron further more, but pela does the works already. He prolly gonna need his sign lc as well to be fully worth the upgrade. But regardless, he can be slotted in almost any team pela in. Personally he gonna be worth the upgrade.

[@Mariuslorca]

If you elready have E2 ,stick to sparkle tbh ,

[@cryliks]

imo e2 acheron is more than enough to clear so ur better off upgrading other teams

[@SUPERsourbum]

⁠@@denypratama3658yeah. while it is optional at that point and he’s definitely not a must pull, he still offers a lot. Getting s1 jiaoqiu can definitely help with other teams and even future characters that rely on ult damage. Also, he’ll definitely help acheron stay future proof and keep up with future dps imo

[@td984]

Jiaoqiu is even a better upgrade if you have E2 Acheron.

[@DeckBlack22]

There is not enough comparison with the silver wolf.

[@duongnguyen-s1i]

so around the same? but jiaoqiu is like 1 pull less

[@amirgarcia4162]

everyone sh8tting on jiaoqiu, remember it also happened a long time ago with topaz, according to experts wannabe she's "trash", but look at her now, BiS supports for FuA teams edit: also happened with BS saying she's only 10% better than sampo, history really repeats itself

[@carlosschoeneck1354]

Can you please try this team: Acheron E0S1, Black Swan E1 with Jiaoqiu Lightcone, Pela, flex. That's the team I'm planning to use tbh. I don't like Jiaoqiu actually

[@talellabiadh2623]

can u please now do e2 acheron sparkle jiaqiu aventurine plsss i need that no one did it

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@talellabiadh2623 That exact team is the second part of the vid 😅

[@talellabiadh2623]

Wait what ? With e2 u did sparkle pela i need jiaoqiu inestad of pela ​@@cornflakebutsilly

[@raven-0621]

​@@talellabiadh2623 because this was a comparison video about who's more worthy pulling. everyone knows that team you said is the best one

[@talellabiadh2623]

@@raven-0621 yeah i know i just wanna see how the improvement IS comparerd to pela if it's little it's not Worth pulling him

[@ItsWilliamz]

I don't think some people here understand, Jiaoqiu is not only good for MoC, he is a very important character if you use Acheron for Pure Fiction

[@oreji3987]

Gonna go for Acheron anyway since Im too lazy to build another character

[@PlasticLovers]

I mean with E2 archeron, even my grandpa can full clear MoC

[@omensoffate]

Oh she is full 2 teams huh

[@TheWildScizor9731]

5:44 Not trying to downgrade this entire thing but holy misplay. Pela ult prior to that can later saved you 8 stacks on turbulence next phase

[@accompolice4694]

Would just pull for Feixiao then E2 acheron because i have limited jades, and im curious about the physical nihility or another 5* hunt

[@jorgemyte19]

I’m new player should I wait for Acheron rerun or should I pull for someone else? ( I have firefly, ruan mei, and jade )

[@fenchai4892]

wait for acheron, then acheron and ff can beat all 3 modes. (pure fiction will need herta )

[@jorgemyte19]

@@fenchai4892 now I have 210 pulls (all missions done) I still have left the universe to do, should I also pull for aventurine in his rerun or Acheron cone? Now I’m playing with Natasha in all my second team💀

[@TheLastGhostLegendario]

Pull for what you like, never for power, you will thank me later.

[@_crow_moon_]

The ultimate team for Acheron that I'll be using Acheron E2S0 Jiaoqiu E0S1 Sparkle E0S1 Aventurine E0S1

[@peppathedemonslayer5338]

acheron e2 before s1 is crazy work

[@_crow_moon_]

@@peppathedemonslayer5338 in my defense I never wanted Acheron, I only pulled on her banner for Gallagher and got lucky

[@peppathedemonslayer5338]

@@_crow_moon_ that sounds like when i pull for Memories of the Past and got firefly's light cone instead

[@toodyan]

for me, Robin is useful than Sparkle (I have E6 all of them that's why I think robin is better)

[@playfuldad22]

e2 acheron for me, since i main her.. currently at e1 and im saving for her e2 on her rerun

[@LazzzyB7]

Is it better to go s1 acheron or e0s0 jiaoqiu, bcs i have gall built but i need him for firefly so i would use fu xuan with acheron and jiaoqiu so i dont pull for lingshua, i can only get jiaoqiu or lingshua

[@Nobody-kh2nm]

Jiaoqiu is a bigger upgrade for e0 Acheron than her signature.

[@FustavoGring]

Can you tell me who will make my MOC, PF, SU. Much easier and like beat everything much better Sparkle or Jiaoqiu. I already have E2 S1 ACHERON. And the team i currently use is Acheron, silverwolf, pela, fuxuan.

[@BIMA_47]

Pull for sparkle cuz u already have E2 U only need 1 nihility and pela is more than enough

[@yymei]

sparkle

[@FustavoGring]

@@BIMA_47 alright i guess sparkle it iss thanks

[@FustavoGring]

@@yymei alright sparkle it is then

[@BIMA_47]

@@FustavoGring just make sure ur pela use pearl Light cone (Lc with luca picture) and use effect hit rate body

[@asakochan2355]

Can some1 suggest me?? I have my guaranteed after lose 50/50 to yanqing.. I want to find universal character...in dot teams I do have Kafka e0s0 no black swan.. should I get black swan or just pick Kafka lc? On the other hand, advent,luocha or robin ( e0s0) If I don't want black swan which one should I pick? And if I want to pick adventurine should i pick his lc too? For acheron team comp...im really sorry for my bad grammar etc..😊

[@halayza2542]

for most efficiency you shold pull Robin. if you want to play DoT team so much you need Blackswan. Disclaimer DoT team right now kinda off meta. I use DoT team to clear MoC and get finish around 4-5 cycle all my team is E0S0. LC kafka is help you to get Speed Breakpoint (160 or 172). I give a value sustain low. But Adventurine is god for all Simulate univers mode you can stack some Preservation Blessing and good to go.

[@odraceil]

can you make comparison for e2 acheron with and wihout jiaoqiu (pela)

[@theworldwide5654]

How is it that Aventurine's Follow up applies a negative stat to enemies? Or I got mixed up?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@theworldwide5654 His signature LC

[@luis7576]

If I have Acheron E1S0 should I go for his E2 or is it better to get JiaoqiuE0S0? I have Sparkle E0S0.

[@cornflakebutsilly]

E0 Jiaoqiu should do

[@LustLord]

Hell nah just wait for acheron rerun to get her e2 unless u wanna feel that fast ult earlier

[@izeshunter2321]

better pull sign for Acheron

[@isaacsilva9048]

Acheron e2

[@UOHCUNY]

pull her weapon first dude lol

[@Dead-Lit]

Yo, I'm trying to put together a new team and need some help figuring out the best way to do it. I was away from the game for a while and now I'm really feeling the need for some beefier DPS characters. My idea is to skip the next few versions and save up for Acheron's E2, but I'm not sure if I should focus on getting her first and then her S1, or if I should go for her Eidolons first. I won't be able to buy the Battle Pass and I might not win the 50/50 for her E2, so I want to make sure I'm using my resources wisely. I'm thinking about building a team with E0 SW/Pela, E0 Sparkle, and E1 Fu Xuan for Acheron, but I'm not sure if that's the best way to go. Here are my options for leveling her up: E0 Acheron -> S1 -> E1 -> E2 E0 Acheron -> E1 -> E2 -> S1 E0 Jiaoqiu -> E0 Acheron -> S1 Acheron -> E1-E2 Acheron What do you guys think? Should I prioritize her lightcone or her eidolons first? Or do you think I should pull for other characters, like Jiaoqiu, to optimize my team and go for Acheron's E2 later?

[@vermilion7816]

What matters is if you want to hyper invest into acheron if you do I'd recommend go for jioaqui now save for acheron grab her then lc than eidolons than use fuxuan with ur pela

[@vermilion7816]

Do the last route

[@Dead-Lit]

@@vermilion7816 Thanks!, I came to the same conclusion😁.

[@chrysoberyl_]

alr 1 cost 5 star is enough, i'll get bored using one dps all the time & my sparkle can used for another team

[@adnanbillychrysostome7003]

I'd like to ask everyone for this one: I have Acheron E0, should I make her E2 or keep her at E0 for now and roll for Jiaoqiu and Aventurine as her Support alongside Pela? (I don't have Silver Wolf and other 5-Star Nihility). Sparkle can only be used when she is E2 so I think I can skip her but is she valuable for my account? (I have Bronya and Ruan Mei but no Robin but I plan on getting her though). Thanks in advance

[@valenzari9463]

Having Acheron at E2 would be good but if you don’t have the jaded or “cough cough” the money to do so just go for jiaqiou since it’s performs similarly. And bronya would be a good support alongside or either ruan mei I don’t think you would need robin for Acheron only if your planning for 0 cycle.

[@valenzari9463]

I’m kinda sad u said that sparkle wouldn’t be a good of use at her E0 I was planning to pull for her for my Acheron 😂😂 I’ll just use her on other teams then.

[@adnanbillychrysostome7003]

@@valenzari9463 it's because I intend to use Aventurine instead of Sparkle, because the requirement of having 2 Nihility characters in the team, I need to choose the 4th characters and I choose Aventurine over Sparkle, to protect the team, but Sparkle and other Harmony characters are Always necessary for ang account

[@adnanbillychrysostome7003]

@@valenzari9463 okay, thanks for the answer, I'll do so. I'll try at least E1 if I can

[@valenzari9463]

@@adnanbillychrysostome7003 aventurine is a good sustain for her to, his ult gives Acheron a stack, sparkle speeds up acherons ult. I also adven for my team and he saves me so much 😂. I’m planning to use sparkle and aven togther with pela or even jiaoqiou

[@allogo1056]

You didnt use Pela's ult correctly in phase 2 of Jiaoqius run (Acheron did almost 700K but could be more), you did use it correctly on Saparkles run in the same phase, dealing over a million

[@miki8350]

can you try without any 5* sig lcs? since they give so many buffs especially stacked together that sometimes it narrows the gap between the tests

[@saltysgene584]

So Jiaoqiu is just a bit overkill for Acheron E2, maybe 1 cycle faster than pela which is not a big deal. I'm more concern for my second team right since they took so much cycle now. Better to get Feixiao first then and wait for Jiaoqiu rerun.

[@Conempo]

Just pull Acheron e6

[@Brunel__br]

Seems good in Acheron team, but is he as good in other team as replacement to Pela tho? Like JL, Bronya, JQ, sustain

[@QuietCrow009]

He is better than pela in every comp with his only issue being sp usage.

[@Brunel__br]

@@QuietCrow009 can you give showcase bcs i never seen him used other than with Acheron and Dr ratio

[@HazZzel-]

​@@Brunel__brIn theory he will work with any ult based DPS (Argenti, Acheron, Yunli). He also is comparable to Ruan Mei in dot teams. He works with any DPS that wants debuffs (Ratio, Acheron, possibly Boothill or Blade if you don't have certain characters or are using other supports elseware). He's basically Pela with a bit less sp positivity, but more damage, better debuffs, better debuffs application, and dot. Anyone with common sense will realize a better Pela is a good character

[@td984]

​​@@QuietCrow009 minmaxed Pela strategies are SP neutral to negative. Pela is not +1 SP positive if we are talking optimal performance, because she needs to start the first cycle with Ult (requires SP), needs to Ult on new waves/phases (often requires SP), and needs to use her E4 to stack Acheron on her turns (requires SP)

[@Pigdairy]

@@td984yeah my typical ratio rotation requires pela to use her skill in the first turn anyway

[@houki3256]

would e2 acheron + jiaoqiu + pela and a sustain be good for an acheron team

[@yessirrissey]

Ye but if you have E2 Acheron and JQ, then Pela isn’t needed, just add sparkle or even a bronya

[@shammyyyy]

E2 Acheron or Jiaoqiu? I want one or the other, I have RM, Bronya and Robin

[@fatestarrail]

I only have enough for 1 pull.. For now I have e2s1 Acheron & e0s1 Sparkle.. Should I go for e1s1 sparkle or e0 JQ?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@fatestarrail E0 Jiaoqiu

[@Fernando-pg5sn]

Now try, E2 Acheron+Sparkle+(Pela vs Jiaoqiu)!!!!!!! Pls🦖

[@ketansingh5220]

Can u do a whale team of e2s1 hanabi E2S1 acheron e1s1 joaqiu and e0s1 huo huo ?

[@raven-0621]

why huohuo 😂

[@ketansingh5220]

@@raven-0621 cos for her buff , I wanna try every buff possible for acheron as a lil dolphin

[@ЕвгенийСмирнов-в2х]

​@@ketansingh5220why not e2s1 aventurine? He is the best sustain for acheron

[@monbebehere1607]

Y not just ignore the sustain and run another harmony or nihility. No need to heal or shield

[@RaneetMondal-x4o]

Sir , which one is better for acheron 101/205 or 73/ 262 . I'm E0 s1 acheron btw

[@A.K.MSamiul]

80/250 bro

[@RaneetMondal-x4o]

@@A.K.MSamiul thank u sir

[@soobins4332]

genuine question i have e0s1 acheron so should i pull for e0s1 jiaoqiu or e0s1 sparkle?

[@TheLastGhostLegendario]

Having s0, JQ better :D

[@UOHCUNY]

imagine not using trend on the 2nd team

[@fikria1514]

Still, horizontal investment is better in hsr

[@SeekGrace]

Save for Sparkle or pull JQ ? E2S1 Acheron.

[@Kent0saur56yaimakmak]

Ofc sparkle

[@gabriele4920]

E2 acheron with jiaoqiu... Would have been better if e0 acheron

[@cecilia8569]

that is e0... e2 is sparkle one

[@kevinchouvrie9099]

what abt, e2 ache + jq + fx + sparkle?

[@rokuonjisakurauchi]

Which is preferable, e2 Acheron with 1 nihility on a team or 2 Nihility for fast Ult?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

1 nihility with an action advance harmony gives you the best results, since at E2 an acheron turn gives you 3 stacks.

[@rokuonjisakurauchi]

@@cornflakebutsilly I see. Well if male foxian is still Broken Im getting him and then Acheron rerun

[@sweetea6550]

@@cornflakebutsilly hey what about Jiaoqui's lightcone?

[@Reggaement]

Fu Xuan with trend Still a good choice if Jiaoqiu is in the team too?I mean the trend dot still counts for acheron?

[@B_Kaizo]

it doesn't stack unfortunately

[@ditiyaalmi]

Can u try e2 acheron with jiaoqiu? I wanna see that 🙃

[@wahyuajiesetiawan5628]

I will change aven for feixiao pela and sparkle tim 😂😂

[@darwingame4379]

so if I already have e2 acheron I don't need to pull Jiaoqiu right?

[@Kirisakyo]

with e2 acheron, jiaoqiu will still help, but is it worth 75 pity for you? he deos make acheron better in pure fiction, but that’s monthly

[@hypemaddox]

Good showcase however I feel the exclusion of trend for the sparkle side is a bit disengenous because it is how ppl will play that team and places an unfair stack generation advantage.

[@christian751]

His aventurine is s1, it's better than trend.

[@Fang727]

you dont need trend with jiaoqiu

[@hypemaddox]

@@Fang727 reading comprehension truly is dropping

[@Fang727]

@@hypemaddox fuck, you are right

[@chihaotran1568]

Aventurine with sig is better then trend lol

[@Who-nm7kd]

Nah, I'd do both

[@Akuma_no_Ko________Mks]

-28% crit rate ? -Fact: ache + nihility = ache e2 + harmony (ache ultimate charge speed) -combat points: Hanabi >>> jiao => stupid comparison

[@Akuma_no_Ko________Mks]

thanks to weakness 😂

[@d3rf261]

what does e2 Acheron do?

[@Tambuahh_CIEK]

Mending E2 Acheron ,klo dia mommy mungkin beda cerita.

[@Panocheta]

Por q mi aqueron no pega así a c0

[@tintedplot96]

Wait why did you pick a worse build for the E2 Acheron?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

Not a worse build, compensated crit rate for crit damage since E1 gives 18% cr

[@tintedplot96]

@@cornflakebutsilly oh okay thanks that makes sense

[@zerefx1429]

i dont mean to flix or something , i have Acheron E6 will he make a real difference with her even with his E1 ?

[@zala6138]

He won't make that much difference if your Acheron is E2 or +

[@AdacherTheCabbageEater]

I think he will, because with E6 your only concern is charging the ult as fast as possible since E6 is overkill in damage

[@ngotienphong6001]

Kids pick, adults take it all :))

[@AnatonovAnatoliy]

The most pointless test. What's the point of removing sparkle from Jiaoqiu if you don't need 2 Nihility on E2? The test does not show anything new, does not show Jiaoqiu's weakness, but only proves once again that only one quantity of Nihility is needed for E2. Jiaoqiu>Pelageya Sergeevna, but on the second eidolon the harmony will be stronger. These are the basic truths that everyone knows.

[@johndalepringle5978]

What? The Jiaoqiu team is running e0 acheron and the sparkle team is running e2.

[@vitavitavitavita589]

u need to use Silver wolf and Fu Xuan on team with sparkle

[@ThelostPenguin0]

aventurine isn't running trend lightcone, so you cant really make this comparison.

[@yessirrissey]

He’s running he’s sig, wich is even better then Trend against AOE Situations

[@ThelostPenguin0]

@@yessirrissey not for acheron cause acheron needs trend to generate stacks

[@yessirrissey]

@@ThelostPenguin0 yes for Acheron, cuz he’s sig works the same as trend in AOE situations, if the boss or enemy hits your whole team, your gonna trigger he’s follow up attack, and it puts on a debuff on the enemies, (the debuff is that they take 8% more dmg) and it helps Aventurine too, it’s literally better for Acheron teams + that’s only said with the sparkle team, cuz the trend LC and JQ don’t work together, its been tested and debunked

[@vegitoblue6969]

pela dose its job i will save for a better unit.

[@andreezeta3704]

Silver wolf e1

[@TheFatalScythe76]

So I have E2S1 Acheron, Im planning on pulling for sparkle to have the Same exact team as the E2 team in the video. I think Sparkle will be more beneficial for my account rather that Jq. Btw I have RM, Robin and Bronya.

[@TheFatalScythe76]

im also wondering if in the video if Sparkle had 161 speed then wont she be able to act twice per turn and get Acheron ult twice as fast? Unless 4 piece speed set covers the missing 1 speed?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

@@TheFatalScythe76 the spd breakpoint is 160, not 161

[@ЕвгенийСмирнов-в2х]

​@@cornflakebutsillyactually speed breakpoint is 160,1. So with 160 speed you can reach breakpoint or not

[@ДюсековИльяс]

​@@TheFatalScythe76lmao.... JQ gives faster debuffs than sparkle in absokutely any situation. Even with perfect speed tuning

[@TheFatalScythe76]

@@ДюсековИльяс even if you run -1 speed sparkle? Cause that's like 6 stacks every turn, Pela can get 7, Aventurine FuA will be 8, then you just left with the last stack to rely on RNG or worst case wait for next turn.

[@thamismedina6394]

i know most people r dissapointed at jiaqiao but can we all understand what just happened? did my boy jiaqio with his lc tied with an E2 acheron with a sparkle with her lc??? and u guys think this is a bad result??? 2 pitys for acheron, 1 pity for sparkle and 1 pity for her lc at best against 1 pity for jiaqio and 1 for his lc, where u guys se dissapointment i see a real value

[@gokhanmeydan370]

you played wrong at sparkle showcase you should wait for sparkle e+ult to ult with acheron its atleast %30-40 damage loss so this showcase is inacurate like in the second showcase when acheron ult for 3rd time is the real damage number you should see. with fox boi you will get max 500k ish ult with 80k skill with e2 acheron and sparkle youll get 1m ult with 150kskill. My acheron in kafka+bs team already does 350k per ult and dot characters deal 200-300k damage themselfs so yeahfox boi is not and upgrade but a down grade still skipable sadly

[@lolololhahahah]

do you have brain damage?

[@gokhanmeydan370]

@@lolololhahahah no I don't think so what makes you say that 🤔

[@BIMA_47]

Hi i wanna ask Is dot acheron can clear pure fiction 4 till this day? I have black swan and acheron they already build well, I want to know if kafka is still worth pulling, pls answer 🙏

[@gokhanmeydan370]

@@BIMA_47 depends if there is a dot based buff in pf yeah easily can kill the boss but if there is not you might need huohuo for energy and atk boost or ruanmei for almost every buff in the game xD but my advice for you pull what you like your account will be able to clear everything with time and it's not worth to spend 80 or so pulls just to get more 10 pull every cycle but all that said Kafka is like fine ageing wine with every 5 star dot like happened with bs she will get stronger and minor spoiler there is prob 5 star character that fan favorite coming soon will be fire nihility and will be bis for Kafka so you won't regret pulling her

[@BasementBubbatunde]

How much of his performance is reliant on his LC? Because ofc id rather pull a character + lc than 2 eidolons lol

[@eldijdjbruh214]

He needs lc to outperform pela by far or on pair with acheron e2 sparkle

[@spider-geddon6088]

I love acheron i dont like Jq going for an e2 acheron instead sorry

[@ideki_music]

tips: when u use Acheron's ult , instead of that, make sure u use the Pela's ult before!

[@kentkent6240]

I'd like to ask for some help, so I have E0S0 acheron, my main issue rn is her stacking ability being slow as she doesn't have her sig LC, this should already answer who i should go for but is jiaoqiu really worth it in terms of pull value? Because he's running the same time with sparkle a one of the most broken and generally great support that will open a more diverse team option when more dps and character comes out. So would it be better to strengthen my already invested acheron or invest in sparkle for upcoming character that I would pull for? Being an f2p puts me in limited pulls making pulling a character for me harder

[@cornflakebutsilly]

If your acheron is struggling then go for Jiaoqiu, sparkle is universal but she is not BiS in most teams except for E2 Acheron and DHIL.

[@vermilion7816]

​​@@cornflakebutsilly she isn't bis in acheron e2 teams tho right? Is it not robin? Only dhil and qq have sparkle as bis support?

[@purrfectdanii]

why not just put him with e2….

[@sweetea6550]

does Jiaoqui need his lightcone badly?

[@jin8982]

Nah

[@sweetea6550]

@@jin8982 but its good?

[@jin8982]

@@sweetea6550 it's nothing too great tho, if you don't have any other LCs to pull, you can pull it

[@devilmarika1261]

No trend whit Aventurine, delete video meme

[@trashercraft2636]

thought u were going to show Acheron sparkle Aventurine and Jiaoqiu not pela

[@valenzari9463]

Me to 😂 I wanna see how they work togther

[@huuducphan2186]

a lot of people said how good jiao qiu is in pf which is true but at the same time acheron already had a better team for pf which is dotcheron. With jiao qiu is nothing but a side grade to blackswan in pf since she has better dmg and also give debuff on enemy spawn WITHOUT limits and if u get black swan just get kafka and u have a better team

[@MUTy-bw7xs]

You're dumb? Pull BS and Kafka? Two characters when I can only get one???

[@DT-yw4ob]

Tbh Black Swan rarely gives more than 1 stack of Crimson Knot after Acheron uses her Ult. That's because you can only get 1 stack at a time and after a single ultimate the whole field should be dead.

[@huuducphan2186]

@@MUTy-bw7xs i didnt say pull for 2 i said that shes already has a better team if u have black swan may as well go for kafka cause why not they work together.

[@huuducphan2186]

@@DT-yw4ob also i was wrong about blackswan giving acheron a petal on enemy spawn but my point still stand. Dotcheron is still a better team in my opinion even tho i dont have them :'(.

[@ameerr0812]

Dot acheron is shit

[@renflare2570]

Wait if Acheron E2 is way more of a value than E0S1 JQ like What people say,How come E0S1 acheron with JQ performed same as having E2S1 acheron with sparkle?

[@cornflakebutsilly]

Good ol doomposting

[@renflare2570]

@@cornflakebutsilly heck i have E2S1 acheron that i run with Pela and Bronya,It takes me about 3 to 2 cycles in the current MoC either because My stacks arent full or The Dmg isnt Enough to kill,So I dont really get whats the Bitching Theyve been spewing

[@JohnSmith-oc6gm]

@@renflare2570 I haven’t seen many people who says E2 is way more value, just that Jiaoqiu is relatively low value. Which is true if put into context with other supports likes HTB/Ruan Mei for FF or Sparkle for DHIL etc. Those characters double their BiS teams’ damage and are either BiS or highly competitive for multiple teams. Jiaoqiu is only BiS for Acheron and the bump is small enough that he directly competes with eidolons. Obviously, you could just get both but if you have to pick, do you bet on a better support for Acheron or a better DPS than Acheron that also use Jiaoqiu as BiS gets released in the future?

[@wesley4487]

Cause having JQ in team actually like having pseudo nerf ruan mei, and people just doompost him, cause they give him dirty in beta.

[@djiayaolwanderr1113]

I think this only means JQ is replaceable. Clearly, Acheron E2 needs a harmony that gives crit and debuff and its not Sparkle. An E0 Acheron needs Nihility with def shred, if adds crit debuff to enemy then better, if adds lifesteal then betterer. Unfortunately, JQ lacks additional thingy in his kit and this is why he is pretty much replaceable and if you want upgrade, just E2 acheron and wait for another nihility that adds something to the table

[@stacy7721]

Wowwww very f2p

[@febria2n]

E2 still better, more flexible team comp, ez to get stack

[@davidfrost5995]

I never realized how boring these showcases are without music

[@davidfrost5995]

As I suspected ur acheron is mid, and jiaqoui team looks like sp might be an issue let's say my sustain is gepard who can't do 3 basics for an ult and whose shields normally gets torn through them it's ggs my survivability

[@noirmajesty2287]

У меня она Е6 😚

[@kingzao9046]

who the f wants to pull jiaoqiu. This guy has negative level of rizz. You will have to put him at twice or thrice the level of acheron for me to pull this lame ass guy

[@justblue576]

Brainrot