Huawei is killing Apple in China: the Kirin chip, the Mate-60, government iPhone bans, and now Pura

Apple (AAPL) is getting hammered from all sides in China, the world's largest smartphone market. Huawei, its chief rival in China, shocked the market last year by producing a 7-nanometer chip and a new line of smart devices called the Mate 60.
The Mate 60 immediately grabbed market share from Apple, leading to a sharp drop in their Q1 results.
Then, the Chinese government announced that iPhones would be banned for use by government officials, including municipal-level authorities and agencies, and state-owned firms.
Huawei's new Pura-70 is aimed at Apple's high-end users. Typically smartphone manufacturers compete against Apple on the basis of price: comparable features, but at steep discounts to the iPhone. But Huawei's new offering is priced almost the same, and features state-of-the-art camera aperture technology that is novel to smartphones. They have priced the -70 at just a slight discount to the iPhone 15, but at parity for the premium models. Their pricing strategy implies that Huawei's Pura-70 is equal on the basis of features and quality, and they are going after the highest-margin consumers.
Apple now faces formidable competition from Huawei on the mass-market side with the Mate-60, on the high end with the Pura-70, while under the cloud of the Chinese government's restrictions on iPhone purchases by government employees, state-owned firms--and anyone who hopes to do business with them.
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[@infernaliron2085]

I want Huawei phones in US. Congress deprives my consumer freedom to choose

[@banshong3997]

You used to think you lived in a democracy but it work in one. Guess what you didn't even live in one😂😂😂

[@thinkingaloud5379]

Soon Congress will block you from buying value for money Chinese electric cars....

[@peanut0brain]

US believes in "free market" only when they are winning...otherwise it's "national security concern" or now "overcapacity" lol!

[@verypleasantguy]

The US Congress has lost all the American spirit. It no longer represents and works for the people of USA.

[@Dordord]

Dont ask what your congress can do for you. Ask what your congress can do for IS REAL

[@vidsurf88]

Karma... this is what happens when you unfairly jail the daughter of the CEO and aim to destroy his business ... as a father , i can understand and would mobilize everything to hit back...

[@shamuratov]

I was unaware about it, who was jailed??

[@fastcx]

@@shamuratov current CEO, daughter of previous CEO.

[@haniahannslew4108]

Totally agree 👍

[@haniahannslew4108]

@@shamuratov Huawei’s daughter was arrested for ransom by Trump administration when she was transferred through Canada’s airport. Trump hired Canada as a hit man to do the job.

[@pinotnoir3654]

I'm an Android guy. Can't stand Apple's closed system. Looking at a OnePlus now to replace my Samsung. If only Huawei can be bought here I'd get one right now.

[@peanut0brain]

Online store

[@DailyBeatings]

Highly recommend OnePlus. I have a OnePlus 7 Pro and it works flawless even after 4+ years plus Oxygen OS is way better then Samsung's bloatware filled UI...🤣

[@user-dt6iz8hu6h]

Huawei has its own OS, not Android anymore

[@DW-op7ly]

Only issues I can see is if they hit you with import duties and taxes And will it be compatible with your cell phone provider? If anyone knows? But then my guess is worst case you are paying about the same price if some retailer had imported it in and marked it up for sale at their store

[@chestnutridge4187]

Had OnePlus 12 and Watch 2 for several month, can not be happier!

[@7ebr830]

I think it is immoral to buy American or Israeli products if at all possible to avoid them.

[@bungkusi2432]

Agree Stop BK, McD, iphone, etc

[@hz240]

Boycott israeli grapefruits too?!

[@pinotnoir3654]

Agreed.

[@ZweiZwolf]

No Thanks, B. D. S!

[@pr0newbie]

I'm not willing to spend on their artificially inflated prices - be it because of corporate greed or overpriced labour.

[@donkeykong516]

I don’t care for tech bullies, go HW

[@verypleasantguy]

I have been an Apple user since the original iPhone, but last year, I dumped it, and got myself a Huawei Mate 60 Pro. It's an amazing phone, I have to admit.

[@mikewang7955]

Downstairs American, you live in America but you do not have freedom to buy better products and it is ridiculous.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

There really isn't much freedom. People vote for the same crappy two parties which aren't much different from each other. People are given a choice of bad or worse. People can't buy what they want, because of import bans and tariffs. People have to buy low quality machines produced in the US at inflated prices. There isn't much choice when it comes to medical care or medications, these are monopolistic industries, so these healthcare providers, hospitals, medical equipment producers, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical industries can charge whatever they want.

[@chongdi6140]

American politicians hype up freedoms for their selfish agenda while also using democracy/freedoms as a hegemonic tool to interfere, sabotage, subvert and demonise other sovereign nations not toeing their so-called "rules based order". Enough said.

[@Ken129100]

Let me be straight on this: there is no democracy or freedom in the west today. People live under a fascist regime that wears the mask of “democracy”.

[@johnc007]

The US government doesn’t allow their citizens the freedom of choice and decide for them what they can’t buy. You have more freedoms to buy things in china. The US government needs to practice what they preach.

[@Ken129100]

@@johnc007 Guess what? They would allow you to speak here.

[@datianlongan5567]

Don’t blame Huawei or China for Apple’s decline. The iPhone from 12 to 15 are virtually the same without major innovations. We can’t win the race by tripping our competitors alone.

[@nickl5658]

Doesn;t mean apple won't try. Standing still and tripping and banning the competition is a lot cheaper way to win.

[@byhyew]

iPhone 12-15 stayed virtually the same because they could, because the US government stopped Huawei from competing with iPhones on the international market.

[@christianvanderstap6257]

Well the price was different

[@injinerconev]

If you notice the US is constantly condemning China's government for funding companies like Huawei and BYD because it is supposedly unfair to western counterparts, while at the same time sanctioning Chinese companies into oblivion every chance they get. The logic there is to forcefully keep China's technological development behind mainly for military reasons but others as well. This has been openly admitted by US govt. officials. At the same time the US is giving out billions of $ in funding to companies like Samsung, Tesla, Apple etc. to build factories in the US. It almost seems like the so called 'free market' where governments should not meddle into corporations is not actually working and it's only promoted when it is successfully working to oppress the rest of the world and benefit the US. Gone is the cheap Chinese labor they were feely exploiting for so long. Also because of the hegemony the US had for so long over technology, the western corpos became complacent and innovation stagnated quite a bit. This all could have been different if the US ever gave thought about working with other nations in solidarity instead of sabotage and imperialism, but that could be considered socialism and as everyone in the US knows 'Socialism is when no iPhone'. :D PS: apologies for the long comment.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

I wish I could buy a Huawei phone here, but I can't because it is banned here. Back in the 1980s, the US govt tried to ban Japanese automobiles, because they were inexpensive and very high quality. The US automotive industry lobbied congress to put tariffs on Japanese automobiles, and they did. People still bought them, because they were reliable and inexpensive. Now instead of allowing in competition, they just ban it. They banned Huawei 5G telecomm equipment, Huawei phones, and now they are putting trade barriers on Chinese EVs. Trade barriers for Chinese EVs isn't enough, so they are trying to ban the import of those EVs. They are trying to ban TikTok. In the media, you just see a lot of anti-China, and anti-Chinese hysteria. They are just painting a negative image on Chinese people, and China as a whole. I don't see why people in China should buy American brands. In my humble opinion, they should stop buying US brands, because they are funding these politicians in the US by making US equity markets go up. These politicians want to play on the anti-China hysteria to win points, so the people of China shouldn't be funding people that harm them and their interests.

[@K1pp3rs]

I would say China buys a ton of US made item, then have those companies lobby for China in the States. The system is corrupt in the States, just play their game. It isn’t like Americans will realise their freedom is based on lobbyists, and big corporates.

[@DJs021]

Mainland Chinese don't fancy American product, if we talk about automobile, they preferred German brand. As for handset, they are definitely shifting away from Apple but still there some rich punk wanted it as symbol of status/wealth. Just like my niece studying at Taiwan, buying the latest Apple model because she can't lose face to her schoolmates. The only thing that mainland Chinese obsessed with America is living the "America dream". All rural folk insist on their next of kin to migrate into "Mei Guo" because they were too indoctrinated or brainwashed as country of opportunities and wealth. Our society are so skewed that mainland Chinese wanted to migrate into America while American wanted to leave for China and Asia, Malaysian wanted to leave for Singapore, Singaporean wanted to leave for Canada + Australia, Australian wanted to leave for HK + China, Hongkies wanted to leave for Canada. People from Asia wanted to leave for the West but not knowing today isn't 60-80' where Asian is welcome(as cheap labor). What's the purpose living at hostility country and getting humiliated daily.

[@yaoliang1580]

It's getting very dangerous for Chinese living in the US now due to increasing racist attacks

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

@@DJs021 The image that people get about the US is from the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s. Today, it is a very different place.

[@K1pp3rs]

@@DJs021 I agree with 90 percent of that, except for Apple products. Settled back down with iOS, and it’s just so much easier to integrate across with laptop / other Apple devices. It ain’t just about “face”.

[@LL-rm8xt]

Honestly, an apple or Google phone data will go straight to the US government... I feel safer with a Huawei

[@ZweiZwolf]

So did Hamas. They used Huawei phones because they were more secure.

[@wilsonwalker7428]

​@@ZweiZwolf they have a brain

[@agusedyanto3324]

It is reported that the Saudi Arabian royal family avoids telecommunications equipment from the US because they are afraid of being eavesdropped, and prefers those made by Huawei!

[@hankmiller990]

Samsung by far the number one.

[@Nekoeye]

Yep, China is NOT invading and carpet bombing other countries. I want China to excel in chip making so the world can get cheaper and better products. Plus, the funds will go towards world development (roads, trade, etc.), not toward funding Israel and other U.S. atrocities.

[@qake2021]

😯 apple is NOT innovative anymore since passing of Steve Jobs‼️✌️✌️✌️

[@qake2021]

👍👍🇧🇷🇷🇺🇮🇳🇨🇳🇿🇦➕️👏👏

[@johnchin1456]

Steve jobs was just the poster child. Apple is DARPA research inc

[@junizhao]

Mr Cook has run out of ideas.

[@user-ln5pi6zp2t]

It is just the limits of any technology. To a point and then diminishing returns

[@erenyeagerist7681]

Even Steve Jobs stole from Sony

[@roddiechan]

Good to let these arrogant politicians have a taste of their own medicine. Cooperation is always better than sanction

[@America_bombsTSMC]

sanction is cutting down his own big trees, smart plant smile

[@cabasadefogo9533]

I want the pura ultra

[@The0ldg0at]

If you are in the high end of business why would you buy an Apple iphone when you can buy a Huawei that is garanteed NSA proof?

[@CattleFarmer667]

I bought Xiaomi phone in 2018. Still working fine. Not sure about Huawei but Apple a waste of money to me

[@peanut0brain]

My huawei mate 20x is about 5yrs old and battery is still same as beginning. Recharge at night.

[@MyKharli]

Same , such good value for performance and longevity too .

[@DW-op7ly]

Really Apple phones after 2 or 3 years you can notice the battery degradation From 2 or 3 days down to needing a charge overnight Not like I’m playing games or anything on the phone

[@yndiiatecow2536]

​@@DW-op7lyare you an apple owner. You're lucky lasted 3yrs. Mine not even 2 years and battery is a crap.😢😢😢

[@DW-op7ly]

Yes Apple owner when I say lasted I mean I didn’t have to charge the phone before the end of the day

[@summerchina6568]

An eye for an eye. At last some other gov't can sanction the US and actually cause pain. Eventually the US will learn that bullying others won't get what they want but instead they will need to work with and live with others. The world will be a better place because of that.

[@sarahkhan2310]

Huawei is the best and a blessing to the world of telco technology. Total support and well done to the team 👍❤️🇨🇳

[@Mike-ys4sr2023]

I bought a cheap Huawei cell in 2020 while I was visiting the Philippines and laid up my Samsung. It was US that tried to destroy Huawei so now China can now Destroy Apple 🍎. 😅 😂Thanks again sir 🙏 for your information and analysis

[@fannyalbi9040]

huawei logo is slicing apple into pieces

[@yamhweeyeo3089]

What's so big deal about apple? Nothing, really.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

People just pay for the brand, and believe it is a status symbol. In reality, it is just a electronic device.

[@johnchin1456]

Shallow people buy over priced old tat Tesla's too

[@atheneus]

I have an iPhone 13PM. It’s the best device I’ve ever had. Been using it for 2 years and it’s never lagged. The battery is still awesome. I’ve dropped it plenty of times (no protective case) and there’s been no damage. Waterproof, I’ve washed it with soap thrice. Dependable camera, great processor. Runs every app smoothly. I think I’ll keep using it for at least 3-4 more years. I also have AirPods Pro 2. Incredible sound. Finally, MacBook Air M2. Battery never dies. It’s beautiful, dependable, extremely lightweight, and the processing speed is great without charging. It almost never heats up. I love all 3 devices. Sure, Apple might be a bit overpriced, but I’m really satisfied by what I got. But I’m hoping Chinese products will be my next product stack. I have little doubt that within a few years, Chinese devices will be much superior

[@user-ln5pi6zp2t]

Just marketing gimmick

[@sergevtorino]

The design is good, no doubt, but its definitely not a game changer.

[@picandvideo]

Apple is like Sony at this stage. Nothing new.

[@TAL142]

Huawei used to be a phone company. After the sanction, Huawei is now a car company, semiconductor company, AI company, Internet cloud company competing direct against Tesla, ASML, TSMC, QUALCOMM, Google, Apple, Samsung, Nvidia...and even Bluetooth. Huawei used to be the customer for some of these companies. This is what would happen when all you do is rely on government help competition instead of innovation. Just like EV, people are forced to buy Tesla because they have no other good choices. But that may not last if Tesla doesn't improve.

[@dice138]

Tesla's sales in China is dropping dramatically too. Pretty much situation with apple. In China's market, if you don't innovate, you're not going to survive.

[@TAL142]

​@@dice138 Many stuffs in the west were pretty advance 30 to 40 years ago. And these stuffs are still being used today. I probably have to pay 10 times more to buy the same old faucet at Home Depot.

[@exploreplanet930]

No, HW is a telecom giant.

[@TAL142]

@@exploreplanet930 i did not mentioned 5g because a lot of its revenue came from phone business. US pretty much gave up on 5g since there was no equal to huawei and wanted to jump to 6g.

[@JA-pn4ji]

Also a data center company.

[@Dare2Blink]

Just a slight correction. Huawei was never a budget device, and was always priced similarly to apple. The biggest difference is that they were much more inovative, so you got something that was actually worth that much money. For cheaper devices Huawei had the sub brand Honor, which they were forced to sell after the sanctions. Honor has now also become a premium brand. The reason Huawei is now reclaiming the top spot is because they now have access to chips of their own making.

[@dice138]

Actually Huawei have phones at different price level. Mate series and P series (Now Pura) are the flagship phones and most reconized. They also have some low end lines like the Nova series. Around 2000 yuan range. I used to have a Nova 4 before the US sanctions. It was a good phone too.

[@kosia1972]

From the man who used the both phone Huawei and honor my first touch screen phone was galaxy s2 I pay $550 from t mobile the battery life was very terrible after two years I got Huawei mate 2 from Amazon for $300 good phone at that time good battery life after few years I give it to my wife I go for honor x5 few years I got honor x6 for $250 from Amazon all this phone was very good I decided to go go for Huawei mate 10 pro I paid $550 on Amazon after three years l give it to my wife I bought Huawei mate 30 pro $700 now I just got my honor 6 pro from aliexpress global version one week ago for $1083 tax everything including beautiful phone

[@Dare2Blink]

@@dice138 true but the budget options were under the sub brands and not under the main brand, like the afore mentioned nova or the before mentioned honor sub brand.

[@MetaView7]

When the Huawei Mate60 came out last year, a lot of people bought one because they wanted to show their support for Huawei. It was a pure patriotic play. And it worked.

[@exploreplanet930]

Not really. Mate 60 pro is a great phone. I know because i have one.

[@michaeltse321]

Huawei AI is better than Apple in the Chinese market.

[@ericliume]

Pura 70 series is registered as Satellite Handheld Device, but not traditional TD/FDD mobile device. It supports bi-directional satellite messaging, phone calling and image sharing. P70 is also equipped with a very sophisticated main camera, 1 inch cmos, adjustable aperture and retractable lens.

[@monipenny408]

I so glad that U$ has banned Huawei, which means people in the global south will get to use these cutting edge technologies all over the world except G7. Yay!

[@cb250nighthawk3]

I never really cared much about money but now I do. I want the Pura 70 but no money no talk. 😢

[@mingouczjcz3800]

Huawei Pura 70 has the satellite-messaging, satellite-phone-calling and satellite-sending-picture features.

[@peanut0brain]

Wow

[@etbuch4873]

Mate 60 series last year (2023) already has that. I saw lots of video on this platform wherein people show how they use it in real setting.

[@monipenny408]

you forgot its #1 feature, C!A proof!

[@mingouczjcz3800]

​@@monipenny408 because of the satellite communication function, Huawei's mate60 is used in the current Myanmar civil war

[@monipenny408]

@@mingouczjcz3800 so the phone is more dangerous than the U$ made missiles, bullets, b0mbs dropped all over the world like Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Serbia, Kosovo, Libya, Afghan, Syria, Irak, Iran etc ?

[@bungkusi2432]

Since Steve Jobs pass away, Apple has been going down. Tim Cook is not a good CEO, he stop the innovation and start to cut cost while inflating sales price.

[@AIPretendingToBeHuman]

"he stop the innovation and start to cut cost while inflating sales price." That's the definition of a great CEO in the US 😀

[@fannyalbi9040]

@@AIPretendingToBeHumanoh common

[@bungkusi2432]

@@AIPretendingToBeHuman That's a *manager* or *accountant* job 😁😁

[@AnnieT369]

Reason for restriction is because iPhone can be used for $₱ying. Just ask Angela Merkel. As to falling sales, no worries Apple, India with it's huge population will come to the rescue.😊

[@kashmlan]

Yeah. Sure.. but we need 50 % discount..😂

[@Lululemon2023]

Indian market has a long way to go to replace China

[@fannyalbi9040]

@@kashmlandon’t be so cruel indian

[@tkh2944]

Apple needs to produce a special "dharavi slum" edition to sell in India.🤪 Wonder what would happen to apple's "premium" image after that ...

[@DJs021]

​@@Lululemon2023more than 60% population can't even afford a proper meal, let's alone talk about owning an iphone. Their richest billionaire rather walk down Dubai street selecting most expensive alcohol than helping his own country. In superCOWer 1ndia, they preferred to scam instead of buying it. Just like how recently they tried to scam Sony playstation rights.

[@ZweiZwolf]

To be fair, Apple did a huge amount of self-damage by trying to sell "Make in India" iPhones in China instead of Chinese-made iPhones. That's a slap in the face to the country that produces the most iPhones at the highest quality, whereas India is known not to produce high quality electronics. Apple was roundly lambasted for this, and there's no good explanation for it. Apple could have, and should have, shipped the Indian phones to the USA, Canada, Australia & the UK where they'd have been far better received. Also, the Kirin 9000s in the Huawei Mate 50 is a 5 nm chip made by tweaking 7 nm tools. It performs like other 5nm chips by Samsung, so it's a legitimate 5 nm chip. US chip sanctions were supposed to limit China to 14 nm, and a 5 nm chip is 3 generations beyond that. It was supposed to be "impossible".

[@banshong3997]

As Scott Ritter said f#ck around and find out. Those sanctions seem to work against US. What happened??? Well time to double down. We'll find something that work eventually. 😂😂😂

[@peanut0brain]

Boomerang sanctions 😂

[@1hjehje]

My wife purchased a Huawei phone last year wheile were visiting China. It is justa budget model, but it works great. The Mate 60 just came out at the time and I was told that it was selling like crazy. Jiayou Huawei ... way to go!

[@willengel2458]

China doesn't ban Apple. China suggested government official not to use Apple phone in government office buildings or facilities. it did not ban Micron either. China suggested not to use Micron in their infrastructure.

[@wimbletone1]

Suggested?

[@itsme-nt6yu]

It's a delicate scenario. China still has (perhaps millions of) workers working for iPhone. With a rise of Huawei, the government can fine-tune its stance away from supporting Apple. OTH, with a strong competitor from Apple in the market, it will make domestic brands more competitive.

[@bubuneowoo6161]

China phone assembly is automated now.

[@serriajohn]

security concern. US reminds Chinese government of these security leakage problem.

[@willengel2458]

@@wimbletone1 China found out Micron lobbied congress to sanction its Chinese competitors in China. bad behavior, but that doesn't warrant a complete ban. Micron is still in China.

[@dbestplanner]

I want Pura 70, size 6.6 fits in my pocket

[@kiranaaero3359]

The new Huawei Pura phone sold out in 1 min 😮

[@frankm6218]

My wife had a Huawei P30 2019, still trouble free. Meanwhile I had changed my iPhone as iPhone battery dies around two years. I will switch to something else next time I need a new phone. Only reason we are not buying Huawei phone now is they are banned here so worry Huawei phone May not be able to working properly.

[@itsme-nt6yu]

That is what I have. I also bought P40 Pro, but cannot use Google Pay (NFC not allowed to work outside China). For my own convenience, I switched back to P30 Pro and it is still working. However, I wish I could buy newer model HW (including Pura 70), if Google Play Store/Google Pay obstacles can be overcome.

[@xinqu5]

​@itsme-nt6yu wondering if there is a way to get around it? I want to buy the Pura 70 too, and use it in America

[@ZweiZwolf]

P30 Pro gang rise up! Great phone, excellent camera!

[@nsng1298]

​@@xinqu5 There are ways to install Google Play GMS onto Huawei. Just Google or search YT.

[@America_bombsTSMC]

ISP would not allow the connections from huawei phones.

[@ivanho7268]

Thanks to smart western politicians' who had pushed Huawei and other Chinese makers to innovate and transform its products. Am sure China appreciate their positive pressure that contribute to these sanctioned companies' performance.

[@America_bombsTSMC]

american politicans' sanction is cuting down their own big trees and let local companies smile.

[@user-og8ef6pf4s]

I want HW in US too

[@yingmi8063]

Top reason is USgov isolating Huawei

[@tkh2944]

I want a spy proof phone !

[@peanut0brain]

Get an old Nokia flip phone😂

[@hclau218]

Then you need a HuaWei😂😂

[@etbuch4873]

Get yourself a Huawei. Even the CIA, the NSA, the MI5, and the MI6 canNOT find any backdoor to the Huawei mobile. And that's why all those agencies want so badly to ban it.

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@peanut0brain Will that still work? I thought the 2G and 3G towers were torn out.

[@user-kb9bd5tt8f]

It takes two to tango. Huawei is completely banned in the US whereas Apple iPhone is only banned from Chinese government employees use. Chinese still have a heart the Americans don't. That's the difference.

[@timmyg44]

And what about Google and its play store?

[@yoshiou387]

@@timmyg44 Twenty years ago, Google was cool and Facebook was cool. Public opposition did not implement the legal provisions of China's online information review. Later, they took the initiative to go away. In a few years, Europe and the United States were doing network information review. Trump’sThe account is still frozen, what is wrong with China?In any case, abide by the first

[@user-ob9lj3jb2h]

中国只是在证明，汽车，手机，并不是那么昂贵他们应该成为所有人的消费品

[@douginorlando6260]

The new phone also replaces google’s operating system. This allows complete independence from Google (Alphabet). Also Huawei car software is gaining traction with domestic & foreign car manufacturer companies. There’s more. One giant piece of the economic pie is about to open up. Direct satellite communication that eliminates the need for cell tower networks and eliminates monthly phone bills to ATT, Verizon, T-mobile, etc. China already demo’s this capability, although Elon Musk’s Starlink has the upper hand due to their upgraded satellite rollout and their Falcon 9 orbital deliveries. Note, China will be launching their Falcon 9 equivalent next year but will require a few years to catch up to spaceX

[@dice138]

Audi and Honda(or Toyota) had already made deals with Huawei to put Huawei AI into their future cars.

[@willengel2458]

satellite service is not free, you have to subscribe, and then $x per minute. it takes tons of money to build and launch a satellite.

[@America_bombsTSMC]

@@willengel2458 satellite service could save a life.

[@ReMi-qe3zc]

With which camera are you recording by the way! Good quality camera !

[@bobjack2381]

Good job Huawei thumps up to you, China is self sufficient.

[@timmyg44]

Self sufficient? Over 80 percent of domestic food consumption relies on imports.

[@simonchung8509]

P70 will be 3nm

[@pr0newbie]

Huawei was ahead of Samsung's flagship Galaxy S series before they were brutally and illegally attacked by the US government. Even some of my anglophile friends bought and loved the P30 as it was the best Android phone on the market.

[@user-ok6re8gv1q]

I look forward to watching what will happen soon, as China delves deeper into the chip making machinery and chip making processl. It is already trying to CHANGE the process involved due to ASML’s restrictions. Leap frogging technical Improvements comes to mind.

[@_Wai_Wai_]

Never have owned any Apple products, never had the desire for one.

[@noboliNo]

Pura 70 puts iPhone to shame

[@hz240]

I am a proud owner of an older abused model P7, by far the most reliable and robustly built handheld smart device I have ever owned hands down. Sadly, I could not manage to find any local retailers (not even through Amazon) that carried the protective casing and have dropped on many occasions. The unit remains fully functional and serves its purpose. A testament to its build quality. Yet the newer model iphones and samsung units i have owned are all retired. I try to avoid those brands where possible.

[@DW-op7ly]

You never tried AliExpress or Temu? For sure Temu would have had it.,, but they are more recent company in the west

[@ZweiZwolf]

Samsung is not very reliable or sturdy. I think they're designed cheaply.

[@David-ut3zv]

The Tanya Harding tactics has always been a losers’ tactic, has never worked, will never work.

[@HKChineseCanadian]

Huawei is the best. All Chinese and peace loving people around the world are rooting for you.

[@sergevtorino]

Huawei is great. The best phone I ever had.

[@terrytoh6854]

Huawei are now going into EV vehicles . I visited their showroom in Wang Fu Jing Street in Beijing during my tour of China . I am from Australia .

[@yingmi8063]

A few years ago, my Huawei phone was banned by US mobile network provider, had to switch to a US phone. 😅

[@viczhou9051]

Bought my Mate 60 Pro a month ago. Very happy to have it.

[@ibrahimgalledou6625]

This happen when a bunch of lawyers Led in field they don't know how that field operates because of their ego and conflict if interest

[@soowo5942]

Mate 60 is old news, time for pura 70 and mate 70!

[@user-qd8yg1fp7i]

watching this on my mate60 pro!

[@danielodey7775]

US technology companies are losing market share in China. It's per se !

[@manwingchi9156]

I bet US got one and now taking it apart and study it. I also bet US claim Huawei copy their technology. 😂😂😂

[@winsonip4447]

Apple, Samsung, and Xiaomi all benefited from the US banning policies on Huawei, which prohibited TSMC from manufacturing chips for them. A few years later, Huawei was able to make a comeback, but its resurgence did not impact the sales of Samsung or Xiaomi; instead, it only affected Apple's iPhone. This was because customers finally realized that Apple charged a premium price for products that were similar to what other companies had offered a few years earlier.

[@micholitzia5726]

How did xiaomi benefit? They are also victims

[@winsonip4447]

@@micholitzia5726All smartphone manufacturers benefit from the Huawei sanctions. Xiaomi is among those that have been saved from bankruptcy because they were able to capture a portion of Huawei's market share.

[@passby8070]

If Huawei is not banned here in Australia, I would buy it in a heart beat! I like to support more consumer options.

[@housetboy8605]

Lack of finger print scanner, heavy pro versions and restricted software. ITunes, family sharing and iCloud software is headache to use. Now can see why sales drop, cannot stay at top forever.

[@willengel2458]

lack of innovation is killing Apple, not Huawei. Huawei not only survived, but thrive under blacklist and severe sanctions from the rogue states is an accomplishment in itself. Apple is too complacent for its own good.

[@veejaytsunamix]

Does that mean cheaper iphones for the rest of the world?😂

[@netrubbish]

Huawei, let's do it. I'm not a huawei user at this moment, but I will be your ambassador to all my family, friends and neighborhood. 6 years ago, I have influenced my sister, and 3 of my nieces to switch to android , and they were happy and never looked back.

[@Kimmimaro86]

The day Raimondo start told the Chinese no chip for them was the day no profit for Apple in China.

[@shanghaiffgg]

Apple is the world's leading phone manufacturing for no reason. They are so low quality. They became the most valuable and most profitable company in the world for no reason. The Mac is so bad etc etc. hahaha

[@marcolam1167]

You didn't mention that the kirin 9010 in Pura 70 is a 5nm chip.

[@dayveda3736]

Almost missed this breakdown. Proper!

[@syncmaster915n]

iPhones, like the Tesla cars, are facing stiff competitions for Chinese brands. This was unthinkable only a couple of years ago.

[@johnsullivan8673]

Kirin isn't new. That name started in 2015. You're talking specifically of the Kirin 9000, which was fabbed under a 7nm equivalent process.

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

Go huawei, support from uk here.

[@bryanwalkerCT7729]

Wow............ Thanks for education #BeingSaneInInsanePlaces

[@martinwilby8942]

very informative

[@SmotriGiraffe]

Love it! My second Huawei is still running fast from 2018. Great device with 0$ (contract) No intention to get other brands.

[@nla255]

We should have a song titled sanctions.

[@ericxx3303]

Any of high tech Chinese products have been or will be banned in US, because US has freedom.... can anyone explain this logic?

[@wanderingquestions7501]

Well said

[@methinnk2.063]

Good 👍🏻

[@greaterbayareahero1401]

The trend is to get value for money. Now China is bringing out state of the art technology at low margins. Designer brands will take a hit. There is no 60% margins anymore induced by the US

[@JooMike-Hi]

The Pura 70 adopts the Kirin 9010, which looks better than the Kirin 9000s of the 2023 Mate 60. Thank you America.

[@darek795]

Isn't Apple in diffcult situation because it has no its own AI model like Google has - so Apple's phones could lag because of this. Apple develops its language model AI but it is behind Google , Microsoft, OpenAI and FB. And even if Apple develops its own language model AI it will be probably only applicable to English language and not usable for China. China has its own difficult language, culture, customs and different political system which require different AI language model .

[@user-og8ef6pf4s]

Chinese government ban to use I phone, national security reasons.

[@America_bombsTSMC]

korean military dept does the same on yesterday.

[@niosanfrancisco]

Got a Mate 60. Its an incredible phone.

[@othmanmajid6380]

Good news for the consumer.😊

[@gregwang8628]

So much for the free private enterprises.. Governmental hostilities do help the private sector in overseas markets!

[@johnwang9923]

When can we get a Hwawei phone here in the U.S.?

[@peanut0brain]

"national security concern" 😂😂😂

[@etbuch4873]

Even the CIA, the NSA, the MI5, and the MI6 canNOT find any backdoor to the Huawei mobile. And that's why all those agencies want so badly to ban it. And you wanna get yourself a mobile that those agencies cannot spy on?

[@timmyg44]

now, on amazon.

[@SivoTV]

Facts are Facts...

[@timothyallindi4372]

The mate60 pro is a game top notch period.

[@clarissagafoor5222]

I loved my Huawei phone - but I needed to visit family in Canada and so there that went!

[@justme6275]

now the Chinese government is playing the sanction game like the US 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@PVLTD]

You won’t be able to buy any affordable items in US because of China’s “overcapacity” issue according to Yellen. Americans will be forced to buy overpriced items in order to support those politicians’ donors. On the other hand, China won’t be able to buy things that they needed from the US because of the US politicians said so. Again, how do these politicians expect these companies to grow if they’re not able to sell their products to the biggest consumer market in the world is really beyond me. Of course the politicians allowed these companies to sell things that the Chinese companies have the capacity and capability to produce, then why would any company want to buy it from the US for at least 2 times the price? Are these politicians able to subsidize these companies forever because of the blockade?

[@lzeng78]

Y😮

[@marlons488]

I would change to Huawei if we had them here or if they didn't cost thousands to buy online

[@theotheleo6830]

Huawei's phones will only affect the Chinese market since Google isn't allowed to sell them Android OS. Huawei phone sales outside of China will be minuscule.

[@trumpbuddha1053]

The US: we have the best chip technology here. China: but you can sale it, what’s the point? The US: China must respect the US sanction and must not produce their own, or we will be mad😂

[@112313]

Search as i might, i cannot seem to find any official chinese restricted on iphone use by the chinese government...none that i can find from official chinese sources anyway. How trustworthy was that bloomberg source?

[@nsng1298]

China accounts for 20% of Apple sales. In the first 6 weeks in 2024, Apple sales in China dropped 24%. No wonder Tim Cook was in China to attend the opening of the largest Apple store in Shanghai. He is worried over the drop in Apple sales in China. Meanwhile, Huawei sales increased by 64% and is now in the no.2 position in the China market, while Apple has dropped to 4th place. Huawei is expected to sell 12-14 million Pura 70 phones this year. This August, Huawei will launch its Mate 70 series, most likely using a new SOC fabricated using 5nm node. This will help Huawei to regain its top position in the China market, the largest smartphone market in the world.

[@v-data6714]

Apple moved out of China to India is one of its bad moves. Lack of innovative is another.

[@timmyg44]

Not true. the apple factory is just down the road from where i live in China is expanding its presence.