Hubsan h501s Watch Before You Buy !!

[@jawsyap]

I thank you for taking so much effort to disseminate and educate those who are new to Hubsan products quality issues. You are the only true and unbiase KZbinr that I learn about their product quality issue. Your indepth understanding will be very helpful to those who are not sure about Hubsan products. Thank you.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Rossi Yap I did not go into All the Details, But i was just trying to get a Firm Message Across that Hubsan's Quality Control Has Gone To Hell. But, I Really think it Depends on where you purchase the equipment from. Gearbest has been my Go To Place For a Long Time Now. I have Never had any problems or issues with the Hubsan Products they sell, mainly because they do their own quality control inspection. Hubsan is s Subsidiary Company of Tekstra Brands INC. They distibute their products Worldwide. I REALLY THINK IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHERE / WHO YOU BUY The Equipment from. Plain and Simple....

[@jawsyap]

Mark Suttner I will try my luck with Gearbest. But I don't know how to mod the FPV2 antennas. So I would still gamble on the FPV1. Hope they ready stock and can send to Asia Pacific region.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Rossi Yap yhe Antenna Mods are Very Simple !! I made a video on how to do it. All you need is a drill and drill bit, a small phillips screwdriver, and Optional Hot Glue Gun. Watch the video I made . So Simple, As Long as the 2 4GHz Coax wires ARE Not Soldered ....

[@jawsyap]

Mark Suttner I am nuts on electronic. May send to a shop to mod it if I go for FPV2

[@MarkSuttner]

+Rossi Yap You Don't Need a shop ! Its So simple... As long as your 2.4GHz Control Module IS NOT Soldered to the Antenna Wires, Just watch some videos, and take it step by step. Very Easy to Accomplish. Drill Two Holes, then Attach the 4 nuts and lock washers that hold the SMA connectors to the top of controller and attach Ipex connectors, Screw on antennas And Done !! Thats it... I went into A Lot of Details when i made my, " How To Antenna Mods" Video, for reasons other than Simplicity. But it Really is Simple. However, if you Really don't feel comfortable with doing it, a hobby shop "Might" do it for ya... Just remember Hubsan IS Not a "Local" Brand, and they may Not know what they're doing. IF thats the case, they will probably end up watching a KZbin video on how yo do it !!! LOL !!!

[@stanralph9738]

Hey Mark; saw your video today re the 501ss and 501 from Hubsan. I have had a 501ss for some time. Have had trouble with esc failing and other minor occurrences. Recently I found the unit slower and slower in calibrating the compass and figured it must be my 71 year old hands. It was mostly #1, but finally it would calibrate, sometime as many as 24 revolutions. I set up a perfectly level surface used slick paper and rotated the craft clockwise as the lights indicated and it would no longer calib. I disassembled the the shell, removed the two small brass screws holding the compass board in and checked for cold joints and continuity. All was sound. Hubsan's blog indicated the compass should be replaced. I ordered another board from Hubsan for $30.00 for $7 magnetometer and installed; still no luck. I reflashed and rebound the unit, no good. I sent Hubsan several emails before the new compass and after, and other than the automatic email reply absolutely no communication from them. My purpose in this post is to let you know Hubsan definitely has problems and I hope to inform others, buy at your own risk. I can accept problems with quality, particularly in a commodity that changes so rapidly. I cannot, however, accept a company that doesn't do what is necessary to communicate with ongoing problems. If you don't stand behind your product I don't want it at any price. I like my drone's to work as I do so love to fly. Thanks Mark, and happy flying.... Stan R

[@MarkSuttner]

Stan Ralph Stan Ralph Hye Ralph. Coincidencedentlly, I just published another video just like this one yesterday. However there was a major difference in the video. I was actually pretty impressed on how Hubsan has came along after they First launched the Original H501S. The two changes they made to make it the SS were the flight control board and the camera module and of course different firmware. I know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to their customer service.... ZERO ! If you look at one of the comments on this video, it is actually from "Hubsan Official". A lady from Hubsan left a Long Comment about how she was "Maybe Sorry" about all the problems I was having with my controllers. Obviously she did not watch the video or did not understand it. I specifically said I never had any problems with my hubsan products. I completely understand where you are coming from when you say that their Customer service is Terrible. It is. If you don't mind me asking, where did you buy your SS from? How long have you had it and also do you live in a Low Magnetic Declination Area ? I'm only asking because Compass Calibrations are THE Most Important Process with this particular quad and I have been able to help A Lot of people resolve their issues/problems. I'm not suggesting that you want my help, I'm just curious to see if I could help you. I've made Many, many videos trying to explain the Importance of the Calibrations and How to Perform them Correctly....

[@stanralph9738]

I live in Florida where Mag dev is -5° 40'. I've had my 501ss for a little over a year and purchased it from Amazon. Naturally I humbly accept any help I can get and will peruse your playlist and see what I can come up with. Again many thanks and enjoy flying, Stan R.

[@MarkSuttner]

Stan Ralph I don't want to "Preach to the choir", you probably already know this, if not keeping All Ferromagnetic Metal Away from the quad while Performing Compass Calibrations is Crucial. Especially Cell Phones, Car Keys, etc. Also, not sure if you "changed" the Firmware Versions that came with your SS ? Messing with firmware can Really Mess up your equipment. If you replaced the Geomagnetic Compass Sensor and the Entire FCB, you may have a compatibility issue between your Comp. Sensor and the 8 APM processor that controls All Autonomous Functions and basically Everything, unless you fly in Manual Mode Only. 8 APM Processors aren't the best. They're good, just not great. Small variations in voltage to one input can Ruin an ESC and or the Geomagnetic Compass Sensor's ability to locate Exact North.

[@anthonyallyn9428]

Coincidencedentlly... If it takes off, Fly's around and lands where ya tell it. Its was a good flight. Easy to be critical.. just say it sucks. and then your a critic.Have not had to recalibrate my compass in 5 or 6 weeks. I almost forgot all about that spin the quad stuff.It fly's every day from the exact same place. H501SS / H906 combo is one robust good flying GPS quad.. If its not broke - Don't fix it !

[@RugerMini556]

I bought the standard white H501ss last month and have zero complaints. Runs like a Swiss watch. It came with a battery and plugin for the transmitter. Also the antenna wires were snap on so I was able to do the antenna mod no problem. It also came with a sun screen and filter for the camera. So maybe Hubsan is getting there shit together again!

[@MarkSuttner]

Yes, they did. You actually got a H501S-S . Aka SS. Great to here you got a Good Quad !! If interested, check these out --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYGQc4GYbL6Sa6s. ALSO, kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5fLe5h5e5Kmpqs. Also Got Really Good Range and Flight Times with H501SS --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3yZZnmGhJxlgtk. And Even Further Range ! --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZTXhaFjjdtprJI. NOW, TESTING ALL ITS ABILITIES !! ->kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vUeJJve5KesMk. Enjoy Brother !!!

[@alvamanuputty414]

i own advanced transmitter, i use for H501s and H501a, good stuff

[@wjfc1968]

I have the the advanced and it is awesome, you got a bad apple dude. I've had the pro controller for almost two years and works great.

[@MarkSuttner]

Your probably right. Keep in mind this video was made almost 4 years ago. LOL, thx

[@thecentralscrutinizer5105]

Been using this "Advanced" H906A controller that came with my H501SS with no issues what so ever for almost a year. I just wish there was waypoint software for it.... as far as the 1/2-ass 5.8 panel antenna that comes with it, there's a simple fix for that too that will double the distance. Whoever designed it initially made a mathematical mistake in the design. The way this antenna is setup from factory is they have a 2mm gap between the driven element and the back reflector. You need to reduce the gap to 1mm, using 1mm nylon stand-off's...Ta-Da, double the video signal distance. (I build antenna's for work) I also left off the protective plastic covers, much better reception. This was all before I put an external, made-my-self, cloverleaf on the bottom of the H501SS Pro, which, BTW, gave me yet about another half a klick of video distance.

[@yusufusayd3151]

Can you describe that process again. I have the H501A drone with the H906T (advanced) controller. I want upgrade the tx&Rx signal on mine. What is the process to do that...i want to get 3km distances out of my flights?

[@yusufusayd3151]

....rather, can you tell me about your diy clover leaf antenna. Thanks

[@thecentralscrutinizer5105]

Desperately need firmware for my H906A (Deluxe FPV-1) Transmitter, I need v1.31.19.... it's a 3rd party firmware made by company that made these transmitters but had changed the LCD design on it then shipped it out w/ their own firmware on it in order for the LCD to function. Hubsan doesn't have it, typical for this seriously unorganized company. You would think some collaboration between firms on shit like this would be pertinent. If your transmitter is showing v1.31.19 on it.... *DO NOT CHANGE/UPGRADE IT!!*

[@thecentralscrutinizer5105]

@@yusufusayd3151 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eF7Si2eHo7lqpdk

[@MarkSuttner]

Simply get a 14dBi panel antenna, or something similar. I don't know if you will get a 3K flight, including the return to home trip. The longest I've gone was 2,357 meters away with absolutely perfect FPV, using the shown antenna in this video -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZTXhaFjjdtprJI.

[@tim509]

While the drones are the same, the advanced controller has 3 to 6 times the range (out of the box) and the display is higher def (but smaller - I don't get that either). I've had my H501S out over 800 meters still receiving video, and that was even with some power transmission lines nearby. My brother and I both bought these, and they have worked great. I guess we got lucky. Sorry to hear about all the QC problems now. Thanks for the video.

[@kencassyh]

Your right. My hubsan 501ss arrived with a bad motor and the controller got stuck in return to home mode and it wouldn't even start after my second flight I'm sending it back and they will send me another new one hopefully these issues will be resolved

[@MarkSuttner]

One thing to remember is, the most recent 501SS' aren't "required" for you to perform a compass calibration before every single flight anymore. A lot of people are having problems because their quad will not arm. That's usually because it needs a compass calibration which must be performed manually now. That sure does suck because when the 501's became the SS, the first year or so of production was a pretty good run for them. A lot of good quality control and lack of problems. However, lately I have been hearing that they are coming with problem after problem once again... Sorry that happened to you and I hope that you get a new one that functions properly!

[@kencassyh]

@@MarkSuttner Thank you. The seller took it back I had to pay for shipping but they said they would send me out a new one hopefully with no problem

[@MarkSuttner]

@@kencassyh this is what I was talking about during that period of time, when the SS models, were being recieved, without problems. Another thing is, where you buy it from, that's the most important thing... kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5fLe5h5e5Kmpqs.

[@garylloyd4465]

You must have gotten a bad paddle antenna. Dustin Dunnhill, and virtually every reviewer testing assorted 5.8 ghz antennas for distance has had the best luck with the stock paddle antenna.

[@landscapelinux]

Mark, thanks for your video. I just bought from GB a black 501s with °advanced° controller. It is on it's way to me, so I'm keeping my finger crossed. But I recently bought a 502s from BangGood and it was terrible. I received with 1 motor not working, and the FPV almost unusable, flicking and blacking out at 1in. I'm still fighting with the Customer Service to send it back to them.

[@MarkSuttner]

+landscapelinux You'll Never Win with Bangood. I Hate that Website ! They Do Not do their Own Separate Quality Controls like Gearbest, and Ive received FAKE products from Bangood. Look at their h501s batteries they sell. Enkarge the pictures. You can tell just by wiring difference, the plastic wrapping, Etc. I found out the hard way. Bought a spare h501s battery from Bangood and when it got here, I knew something was wrong. It did Not look Right At All ! Charged it with a Extremely Nice Professional Charger I have. After 3 flights, it ballooned and swelled so much it wouldn't even fit in the quad and looked like it was about to Explode !! The Only place I've seen And have bought a True OEM Hubsan h501s battery is HubsanUS and Gearbest. BTW, Ive used my pro charger for Every Charge for the Original battery that came with the quad. I have over 60 flights (Discharge and Charge Cycles) with the Original battery and it Still has Not Swollen Much at all. Still works great, and that is A Lot of cycles for Any LiPo Battery !!! Very Important ---> If your using a Professional Charger, Do Not Charge the h501s battery at More than 1 Amp !! Even though its a 2700mAh LiPo, it's Only rated at 10C discharge. That's Very Low / Slow for a battery that size... Even though any regular LiPo battery that has 2700mAh's you would "Usually" charge at 2 7 Amps. Nit with the h501s battery.. Slow Discharge, so it should be dlowly Charged. 1 Amp. I can fully charge them in 40 minutes at 1 Amp with my charger. You "Should" be able to charge it that quickly with any "Good" Pro Charger... I Don't buy chargers online, because they are Too Many Fake pieces of Junk passing off as Good Microprocesser Controlled Intelligent Chargers. I bought mine from my local hobby shop and Its thr Best Charger Ive Ever Owned. Anyways, when you get your h501s, you should take your first flight Low And Slow to make sure all Functions work Correctly, before going really high ir long distance.. oh yeah, your going to beed a 3S 11.1V LiPo for the Controller that Has a JST Connector, or Solder a JST onto one if you can't find a Lipo like that with a JST Power Output Connector...

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Last month (march2017) I bought an H501S and a H502S and got the standard radio with each and they are ALL IPX connections and drilled the cases and installed the external antenna mounts. The video screen is much nicer and I am glad I did. Everything seem s great on both of mine but I dont have the "advanced" radios The actual quads are now shipping as H501SS as mine is one. There is a hubsan video on You tube about it. Its just a new mainboard in the quad. If you buy their "super advanced" radio (the XR4 Pro radio) it can do follow me functions supposedly.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Paul F Thats Great you bought the FPV2 (Standard Controllers)... They Finction Nicely and with External Antenna Mods, you'll get just as much range as the FPV1 (Advanced Controller). But With a Much Larger Screen !! Thats Awesome Bro !!

[@MarkSuttner]

+Paul F Ive seen a Brief video about the "H501SS"... What the hell is that supposed to stand for ?? "Super Sport"... LOL :)

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Ha ha ! I really don't know. It is just a newer mainboard. Otherwise identical. It can supposedly do the waypoints if you happen to have the XR4 Pro quad with the H7000 radio.That radio will let you do waypoints with it. Its very expensive and on B/O anyway.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Paul F The H700 transmitter was made for the h109s X4 Pro HIGH Edition. That can already do way point flights... That controller is huge and has a touch screen like a tablet... You'd like some kind of Mad Scientist walking around with that Monstrosity of a controller !! Lol !! I don't believe anything Hubsan says anymore.. Im happy with my h501s & h109s... Definitely Not Planning on buying any other Hubsan Products. ...

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Yeah, me either Mark. That controller is pretty but has a ridiculous price anyway. I use a FrSky Taranis for all my other stuff anyway. They have the open source software /modules for anything. They have a new one that is like 105 bucks and does 99 percent of what mine does and it was 219.00

[@windturbineusa3641]

In the year 2020 I can tell you the long range viewing from the screen on the PRO MODEL stays clear up to 1.8 miles away and is VERY dependable. The "STANDARD" screen is just for short range only and breaks up after 500 yards. The standard model is not so good now..... times change.

[@MarkSuttner]

Yes, times do change. However, all you need to do, to the Standard transmitter, is the simple, external antenna modifications. You can get just as much, if not more range, then the "Advanced" transmitter. I believe that you meant to say "1.8 Kilometers", not 1.8 Miles. I have tested the Standard and Advanced TX & RX range, many times. With not only the H501S, H501SS but also the H109S X4 Pro. Always get further range with the Standard Transmitter with the external antenna modifications. Yes, the Advanced controller has better control sticks and looks nicer, the small screen is a little bit of a bummer. I prefer a larger screen. Especially, when it is a camera quad because you need to see what your filming. Don't get me wrong, I like both controllers. However, I've gotten 2,357 Meters Range (1.4 Miles) with the Standard transmitter and could have went farther but I needed enough battery to RTH. It comes down to personal preference, as to which is better. Feel free, to check out the long range videos. :) Only once, I've seen a H501S or SS fly 1.8 Miles. That equals 2,896 Meters. I don't think it was that far, Dustin Dunhill accomplished that, by using Dual flight batteries, and basically a "flawless flight area", meaning off the side of a mountain. There was no signal interference. Doubled the battery capacity, by taping a second battery to the belly, wired them in a parallel circuit and used a Standard transmitter, a 6-9 dBi dipole and a 14dBi panel antenna. Also, even using an aftermarket panel antenna, on the advanced controller is A good idea because the stock hubsan panel antenna it is only about 6dBi and has a thick plastic cover it.

[@bradwatts8222]

Hey Mark , received the quad ( H501s advanced ) it is fantastic , all the controls work like a charm , it is amazing to fly , gps , headless , return to home ,even follow me mode exceeded all my expectations , now the bad news , the sd card icon is lit if there is a card in or not , enter doesn't start record and exit doesn't take a snap , the belly light flashes red ( not recording ) guess I'm in for the long hubsan ride

[@MarkSuttner]

+superbradthestrong You "Should" be OK. FIRST : Did you Format the Micro SD card Before you plugged it into Quad ?? For the h501s, you Must take the micro SD card insert it into a computer or laptop and format it to FAT32 . Then insert into quad. SECOND: When you are initially pressing the enter button you are cycling through three modes. LIVE Playback, Video and Photo Modes. I Can Definitely help you with this !! The enter and exit buttons can be very confusing if you are in the wrong Mode... did you format your microSD card before inserting it into the quad?

[@MarkSuttner]

+superbradthestrong I can definitely help you with this ! You are going into different modes because the controller has a live playback function... It Was Designed for the H109s X4 Pro and The buttons function differently when it is used with the h501s

[@MarkSuttner]

+superbradthestrong Third Response : I just need to know if you formated the SD card Before Trying to use it And if you Removed the SD card from the Quad While it was Powered On.... ??

[@bradwatts8222]

Yeah formatted to fat32 , haven't intentionally pull the sd card out but there has been a lot of jiggling and wiggling to see if that helped but to no avail

[@orange70383]

Soldering is easy, what I like is the built in screen and doesn't rely on a damn cell fone.

[@MarkSuttner]

Yes, soldering isn't that difficult and the built in screen, is defintely better than using a device as a screen. Especially if you have something like a DJI Mavic. Because you are using a cellular phone or small tablet integrated into their controller, it will not let you take off in certain areas or during certain times, unlike the 501S. For example, I was nowhere near the baseball stadium in my city. However, it did not matter how far away I was, it would not take off (Mavic Air), simply because there was a baseball game going on. That's ridiculous to me. Thx for watching !

[@travel.toffee]

if there is no difference in both controller then how can we orbit circle by standard controller???

[@developerspoot]

The advance drone can go longer range and still have fpv and it depends where you get them from most people who get this don't have problems but if your going to try and by it from a cheaper place then that's your fult

[@MarkSuttner]

Nathaniel Rivera Absolutely ! Where you buy from is Very Important. Stay with a Well Known Business. Do Not buy "Second Hand", Refurbished or Used equipment. I made this video I'm pretty long time ago... Since then, a lot less people are having problems. Seems like Hubsan got the message that A Lot of people were receiving faulty equipment and after quality control pretty good now. As far as the "Standard" VS "Advanced", the Only difference is which controller you get. Obviously, if you buy the advanced Edition you get a controller that already has external antennas. So in theory it should have longer range, Stock. The standard Edition will get just as much range if you do the very simple external antenna mods to the controller. Myself personally, prefer the standard controller because it has a larger screen and I've actually gotten much further range with standard controller, than I do with my advanced controller. There is no difference in the actual quad. Same quad, just Different Controllers. So far, I've gotten to 2,357 Meters Range with Perfect FPV Reception. Using the Standard Version SS, Not the S, Modded Controller, (14dBi Panel & 3dBi Dipole) . Using Only 1 OEM Flight Battery. I can't get that far away using the H906A (Advanced Controller) using the same, Identical antennas. Start loosing FPV around 1,500 Meters. I tried multiple frequencies and I'm not sure why but I get further range with the standard version SS. Thanks for watching & Comment ! :)

[@Shelldomwreckhords]

Do it work on drone outside of Hubsan on other drones, example channeled remote control brands with the specs in the controller one fpv or the two? Like drones sold at hobbyzone that don't include the controller.

[@MarkSuttner]

Sometimes but Rarely. These quads are built "Proprietary". Even though they use 2.4 and 5.8 for RX n TX, I've tried pairing them to different "Expensive" High quality 16 channel transmitters (controllers) and they Fail to pair. That's where the "Propreitary" thing comes to play. You might be able to use a 501S or SS with a better controller or vice versa but I haven't had any luck. Hubsan specifically designed the chipset, to work with Hubsan equipment. Give a shot and see if the Drone will pair to a different controller or the controller will pair to a different drone. I have had no luck, with high quality 16 channel transmitters, that will never ever seem to pair with a hubsan quad.

[@MarkSuttner]

Hey John. These transmitters "should" be able to bind to a different brand quad. I believe you just have to make sure that the quad is a BnF or Bind and Fly. So, as long as the drone has a "Universal" type receiver, for it's 2.4 GHz signal recognition, I believe that they can. Sorry, I misunderstood the first time.

[@chrisadams1537]

Love my h501s-s with the awesome fpv1 controller !!!!!!

[@MarkSuttner]

soon to be only scooters That's Awesome. I'm glad to hear that from you along with others ! Maybe Hubsan finally got the message a year or two ago ! The h501ss is seeming to have a lot less problems nowadays when paired with the h906a/FPV1/Advanced Controller. Just FYI, I'm working on another video kind of like this one, but this time, pointing out all of the good things hubsan has done to improve their quality control. The changes they made to the quad to make it the SS from the original h501s has improved it's flying ability and it seems like when the SS is bought with the h906a controller, people aren't having so many problems anymore. Thanks for your comment and watching ! :)

[@tc3man0]

Heres a more interesting thing i have both cobtrollers the standard black one can be used as a dvr screen i record video from my 5.8 ghz blade brushless bl or for that matter my eachine x220 also i record all my flights to the ad card and that my friends is useful

[@MarkSuttner]

That's true too ! Even though both controllers can act as a separate 5.8 gigahertz monitor, for a different drone because their frequencies can be set/changed, it's still better having a larger screen. Hence the 4.3 inch, on the "Standard" / H901A / FPV2" Controller. Great Point Bro !!

[@davormaplenik2776]

So what is wrong with this advanced controller again? It looks decent and has much better range. The old controller looks like a petrol canister. You can shoot video and play it later on big screen, if you like. Isn't it better to have new controller and buy bigger LCD, rather then convert old one with antennas?

[@MarkSuttner]

davor maplenik Hello... kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5fLe5h5e5Kmpqs.

[@MarkSuttner]

davor maplenik There isn't an "Older" controller as you are referring. They make both styles of controllers for the h501s. The controller on the left side of the screen is the "H906A" / "FPV1" Controller. That is the controller you get if you buy what is known as the "Advanced Edition" / "High Edition" H501S. There is no difference in the actual quad, you just pay more money for the controller. The controller on the right side of the screen is the "H901A" / "FPV2" that you get when you buy the standard version h501s or now the h501ss. I don't know why it's called an advanced version because the only difference is the controller you receive. Myself and many others, can get a lot farther range with the Standard Controller. It also receives FPV Reception Much Better than the "Advanced Controller" if you do the external antenna mods. When flying this particular quad and it's far away from you or you are practicing altitude hold flying or even manual mode, orientation is very difficult when flying fast. FPV Signal is much needed for orientation. Not only does the standard controller have a larger screen, it seems to have longer range as well. Also, the advanced controller seems to get damaged during shipping quite frequently. Because of the way it is packaged. Actually, the "H906A / Advanced Controller, was made and designed for the H109S X4 Pro Quad. Not the 501's. That's why they have two dials on the top. Those are there to move the gimbal on the h109s X4 Pro. The H901A / Standard Controller was originally and still is, made and designed for the 501s.

[@davormaplenik2776]

Mark Suttner thank you man, for your reply. Hubsan made quite a mess with all those similar names, for someone who's new at this. As I said, some guys made ranges of 1.5 to 2 and more km with stocks advanced controller, others just 500 to 800m. I don't know what to think anymore. I'll just have to wait to get mine and see for myself, I guesš

[@MarkSuttner]

davor maplenik The Long Range Flights Are Different for Each Person. Their Flight Environment (Surroundings) is a Huge Factor on what's going to determine how much Range each person gets. To get Extremely Far Range, you have to be in the "boonies", basically. Absolutely Nowhere Near Residential Areas... WI-FI Routers, Cell Towers, High Power Lines, Etc. Etc. If you are not familiar with the "Fresnel Zone", you may want to Google it. It explains the "Basics" of things you want to Avoid when attempting Long Range Flights. Antenna Gain and your Surroundings are Very Important...

[@MrBryGuy69]

Thanks, Mark, for another good informative video. This is good information to know. I still haven't purchased my H501S yet, I'm still kind of nervous about doing so. I don't want to get a "bad" one that doesn't work properly and then have to go through the RMA process. So, I've still been shopping around. I do like the X4 Pro, but it is still a little pricey and not as compact. I like the H501s because of how compact it is, and that it has a 1080p camera. And it looks nice! Yeah, maybe someday I'll make the purchase... But thanks again for the very informative video!

[@MarkSuttner]

+MrBryGuy69 Since I made that video, People have been receiving their Equipment without problems. Maybe Hubsan Finally got the Message !? If you buy one, I would recommend Gearbest... You are correct about the h501s being Very Portable and because its so small, its Very Nimble and does take Pretty Good Videos and Photos for having a Built In Camera. Only Downfall to that is its camera picks up all the quad's movements and it Does Not like Wind. Any Wind over 10mph... Be careful !! It is a Great Quad Though... Lots of Fun !!

[@JuiceBoxKev510]

How does the follow me feature work, I was gonna stick with the standard version to make some dope videos of my RC Trophy truck. I want something that will hover over a small course are of jumps.... im usually in empty spaces with good line of sight.

[@MarkSuttner]

JuiceBoxKev510 "Follow Me" Works like this : Must have 6 or more satellites on the controller and the quad Has to be in GPS Hold. Once those two things are acquired you flip the follow me mode switch on and the quad will follow the GPS module inside the controller. If you want it to follow your RC truck, you would have to attach the controller to the truck. To set the Height & Distance, fly it to where you want, attach the controller and just Turn On Follow Mode... (Standard Controller : Long Press the Right Stick, like pushing a button... (Advanced Controller, just flip the switch up)...

[@JuiceBoxKev510]

Mark Suttner thanks for the response Brodie. After hesitation and reading the ups and downs of all the drones; I went with the Parrot Bepop 2 w/ SkyController . I saw a few more vids on these n grew weary of faults n QC. Parrot has a MFR flash sale so supposedly I went from 800$ to 400$ and the follow me feature works with a phone, object recognition or GPS. I went with it for that reason over this Hubsan and another CG035 model.

[@MarkSuttner]

JuiceBoxKev510 Good Choice. I have been looking into a Bebop 2, but if ya know me, I Hate APP controlled & WI-FI FPV. The App WILL have Flight Restrictions, and the FPV will only be as good as your WI-FI capabilities of the device you use. Overall, It seems to be a "Capable" quad, Way Better than the Original Bebop. The way the Image Stabilization works is Really Quite Strange. Takes 4K then crops it into 1080 @ 30 fps segments. Strange, but if it works, Great ! The prices I have seen for the Bebop 2 with skycontroller are all over the board... that quad seems a bit expensive to me considering you must provide your own tablet or smartphone to actually receive fpv and to actually fly it. At $400 I "Personally" would have purchased a phantom 3 standard. Don't get me wrong, the Bebop 2 is a nice built in camera quad. Remember, it is Very, Very Lightweight and Will Not have the ability to fly in Windy Conditions ( 6+mph ) may make it Very Unstable. But hey, All quads are "Give & Take" when it comes to $.

[@JuiceBoxKev510]

Mark Suttner thanks man, yeah it's always hard to pick up the first one... I might pass it to my girl once I get my wings right for a Phantom. I just like all the auto features , knocks out a lot of work since I will be having to control my trophy truck , I think the auto features is what pulled me to make decision. I'll definitely make some vids later on, always been into media and fun shit in general lol imma goofball I'm sure I can make a few smile. Thanks for all the insight again brodie ✊🏽

[@MarkSuttner]

+JuiceBoxKev510 What kind of RC truck do you have ? I have a few myself....

[@johnnysloco3470]

Thank you very much for the great information. I appreciate it. I have been given a heads up about negative issues associated with this product. I believe your video will also encourage Hubsan to address & correct the QC issues. Thanks again, & keep up the goodworks. Kindness goes a long way when helping

[@MarkSuttner]

+Johnny Loco Herrera Thank You ! I was not trying to say that their products are all garbage, I just wanted to address some of the issues that Hubsan Needs to Acknowledge. I have a lot of videos, and I think this is the most viewed one of them all. Sometimes, if it is just a bad SMA to ipex coaxial transmission line, or a faulty antenna those can be fixed fairly easily. As long as you know how to properly solder or replace those certain parts. But, when it comes to screens that don't light up and faulty circuitry, that is a much larger problem that cannot be fixed by an average person.

[@StephenPeters]

I have two H109S drones (low end) with FPV1 controllers. Both drones fly perfectly - well - unless I'm using a 3 axis gimbal, then I do get some interference on the compasses and if I'm not careful I can get into toilet bowling etc. Anyway, both controllers work great - I can get 1.5 miles away with the drone and still receive video from it using the hubsan flat panel antenna and I have replaced the dipole antenna on the quad with a 5.8 fatshark to gain achieve this range. The FPV1 controller requires nothing like an S3 battery and will in fact work perfectly well using rechargeable AA batteries. I use "Extreme" 2900mah bats on the controller which far exceeds anything you can fit in there hoby-wise. With regard to fitting a moving 3 axis gimbal though - yes you'll get some movement you weren't expecting such as TBE or crabbing to one side when attempting to fly forward, especially if it's windy - my own thoughts on this would be to remove the compass from the leg and reattach it inside the drone next to the GPS module - which is where it is on the 501. After all, if it'll work there on the 501 there shouldn't be an issue in moving it there on a 109 to eliminate gimbal interference. I use standard antennae on the controller for both tx and video - fatshark video tx antenna on the drone and of course the standard rx antenna on the drone shoved in one of the landing legs.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Stephen Peters I Know Exactly what you're talking about... First : I no longer use the stock hubsan panel antenna. I mow use the New Hubsan 3 panel open faced 14dBi Panel Antenna for the Transmitter. This Antenna Works Excellent !!! m.gearbest.com/fpv-system/pp_436713.html

[@MarkSuttner]

+Stephen Peters As for the Batteries, Rechargeable nickel metal hydride AA batteries will work, but they will Drain Very Quickly. A 3S 11.1V LiPo Battery Works The Best. I use an "E-Flite" 11.1V 2200mAh LiPo for the "FPV1" Controller. Did you mean 1.5 Kilometers ?? Because 1.5 Miles = 2,414 Meters . The Longest I've been able to get Good FPV with the Stock Hubsan panel antenna was about 2,000 Meters. However I Believe that was because I was using the stock Round Di-Pole Trans Antenna Attached to the quad. Ive been Looking for a Good 5.8 transmission antenna for the quad (Like A Fatshark), but havent found much. Mind sending me a link to where you got your Fatshark TX Antenna Please..? I have a Aomway Cloverleaf that works Great for "All Around Flying", but since its Omnidirectional it Doesnt have Major Range Cababilties. Also, you are saying you got to 2,414 Meters Range with the Stock 3dBi Di-Pole on the controller ???? Just that ? No Parabolic Booster or mW booster ?? If so, thats Awesome !! The Farthest I've "Cared"/ Wanted to fly with the h109s was 2,000 Meters. At that Distance, FPV broke up. I believe because I was using the stock 5.8GHz Di-Pole Transmission antenna on the quad. Please Send Link for the Fatshark Transmission antenna You are using. Thx. As for the Geomagnetic compass sensor being mounted to the Bottom of the landing gear, I'm sure there's a reason they put it there (Obviously So it Isn't Near Farromagnetic Metals). So, the Most Obvious Solution would be to mount it as far away from the Gimbal and Motors, Etc. Im not sure if moving it next to the GPS module would allow it to work properly...?? I know where the sensor is inside the h501s, but IDK if you should try moving it... (Wouldn't Hurt to Try).. Yes, the stock 2.4GHz rx Antenna is jammed in the Left Rear Leg. I was thinking that you could Replace that with a larger antenna and mount it somewhere else on the quad to improve signal reception (But that may be Overkill)... ? I understand why you have to be careful if using a 3 axis gimbal because it hangs A Lot lower than the 1 axis making it Very Close to the Geomagnetic Compass Sensor, which Can Definitely Throw off Your Cals from the metal. Im Sure You Know Both Cals Are Very Important. It Needs to "Try" and Locate Exact North and South. If a Magnetic Material Interferes, Well, you know what can happen... "TBE" / "VRS" , Etc. The Wind Situations Can Be Very Risky. Especially During RTH. I haven't had much trouble with it's Direct Flight Back But when it Starts it Autonomous RTH Descent, Thats where I've Had Problems. TBE Can Happen Very Quickly when in RTH Descent... Im Always Ready to Turn Off RTH And take over manually before it start an out of control TOD... Thanks For Watching And the Great Comment !!

[@StephenPeters]

Mark Suttner yes I meant kilometres sorry. The furthest I've flown is 1.77k but that was on standard antennae and I lost video contact at just over 1k. Still pushed on though as I still had telemetry and knew I was well above any obstacles. These days I can get 1.5k easily and still receive video but need a windless ideal day to push further out. Haven't had one yet though. My own 1.77k range test is on my channel.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Stephen Peters I will watch that. Can you send me the link where you bought your Fatshark TX Antenna Please

[@StephenPeters]

Yeah sure. I bought mine from eBay here: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272487911754

[@MERCKXWOOD]

I agree with what you say about the problems with the 2.4ghz pigtail but I'm a member of many discussion forums and take an interest in the technical side of things. I'm struggling to recall anyone having any problems with the screen and switches on the advanced controller, numerous owner's have reported having problems with the switch paddles breaking on the standard controller but most likely they only have themselves to blame, some screens on the standard controller have been faulty. Soldering the pigtails and antenna cables to the transmitter/receiver modules would make them more reliable, very very few problems reported (I don't miss much). It's only annoying when you want to fit your own antenna as you won't have the u.fl/ipex socket.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Andrew I understand what you are saying... I was just basically trying to get a loud message across to Hubsan that they need to improve their quality control even if their sales have quadrupled... As for the problems with the controller that I stated in the video, those were all facts that people have contacted me about. I was not saying that all those controllers are going to have those certain issues.... As with any company who puts out a product and it is at a very competitive price for all the technology & functionality they are going to be selling a lot more.. So, a lot more products are going to have problems if they don't Maintain strict quality controls and or pre-shipment testing. I also know what you are talking about with the standard controller's gimbals (Control Sticks). They do break. But that is from unnecessary Force being put on them, just like you said... I actually had that happen to me, but the stick was actually two parts. The top (where you put your thumbs) "Seemed" like it broke off, but it just pushed back into the base of the stick, and was fine after that. As for the pigtails being soldered, Yes it dose make it more sturdy and definitely a Stronger connection. However, the Length of the pigtails and especially the Thicker Coax that runs to Aftermarket Antennae, is Very Important for Proper Frequency And Gain Tuning. Not sure if they consider that before splitting a Tiny Coax and soldering the wires to the modules...? And Yes, the ufl & Ipex connection is Nice to have if you want to do an antenna mod. I personally had the Entire Tiny ufl connector break off the circuit board !! Weak Soldering from Factory. They are just 4 Very Small Grounding Solder Points & 1 more that holds the Inner wire to the modules Positive Signal Input. After that happened, I was able to Remove the Ipex from the ufl, but it was just too small to resolder and the ufl connector got bent. So, I "De-Pinned" the module. All you have to do is split the pigtail or Main Coax then solder the Outer braided wire to a good ground on the board (Usually right where the module is grounded with solder to the board). Then Carefully solder the Inner Wire to the Module's Small Positive Signal Input. All they are is "Loop Circuits". The outer wire needs to be Grounded and Inner Wire Positive from Module. Anyways, Thanks for watching and for your comment ! Happy Flying :)

[@ldcam21]

i just got my new hubsan and the same transmitter .the transmitter was DOA sucks bought from Hubsan on ebay in 2018 .now comes the email talk. cant fly for a another week

[@MarkSuttner]

LARRY D Beware of eBay !!!!!! Lots of Refurbished or Faulty products are coming from eBay ! I don't really think that there is a "Official Hubsan" seller with eBay, I believe that it's maybe a scam. If you want to buy Directly from Hubsan, you have to buy from "Hubsan.com" or "HubsanUS.com".

[@raymondboots6089]

Thanks for the video making us aware of the issues. By the way, it looks like you were using the original 5.8 panel antenna backwards. I believe the "Hubsan" side is supposed to be pointed toward the craft. Maybe that's why the crappy performance. Anyway, thanks again and have a good one!

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Boots I Figured out my stock panel antenna was built backwards... I know it says to point the logo side towards the quad in the instruction manual, however I have multiple other videos showing this... When i had the logo side facing the quad, i was getting Complete FPV Signal Loss at 50 Meters !!! I did figured that out way before I made this video. I even did a long-range test with the logo facing both directions. When the blank side of the antenna was pointing at the quad I got 800 meters clear fpv. I brought it back and turn the antenna around so the logo was facing the quad. Terrible Reception. What I meant in this video is that the 3 panel open-faced antennas work Way Better. 1,600 meters Crystal Clear FPV. I have never gotten that much range with the stock antenna...

[@raymondboots6089]

Yeah, I later found that out watching the video after this one. I should have watched that one first before watching this one. Thanks for the reply and have a good one!

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Boots You Too !!

[@uksewingmachineservice7030]

Had mine for 18months no prod mine is the av all good

[@clark3830]

I have the advanced controller and it is perfect. The other is a toy looking plastic thing. I use mine for SAR actually.

[@wepilotdrones578]

My standard needs to be modified by opening up yhe case and doing the modification internally. I bought the antenna kit but haven't tackled the mod yet. Not in a big rush to fly far. Also I have been having issues with RTH. It responding but landing 30 feet or more away from take off location.

[@MarkSuttner]

+WePilotDrones Hopefully your Antenna Wires Aren't Soldered. The mods Are Very Simple. I made a video on how to do them... All you need is a drill, a 8-10 mm drill bit, a small Phillips Screwdriver, a small pliers and Optional Hot Glue Gun. As for your RTH issue, That can be caused by Multiple Things. First thing is the RTH point is Set When You Arm the props. Nowhere else. Doesn't matter where you did your Calibrations. RTH is set when prop are Initially Armed. Second, Metallic / Magnetic / Electromagnetic Fields / Wi-Fi Signals can all interfere with the FCB. Mainly it's Geomagnetic Compass Sensor. That sensor is Extremely sensitive. I made a video on "How to avoid toilet bowl & Flyaways"... that Also applies to RTH. Are you waiting for 12 satellites BEFORE you arm the props ? You should wait at least 1-2 minutes for it to locate as many satellites as possible. If you Haven't watched the video I just mentioned, you may want to watch it. Wind conditions Also play A Huge Factor in where the h501s will land while in RTH...

[@wepilotdrones578]

Mark Suttner Yes, I've watched your videos so I know about the mod for the antennas and will probably use your vid to guide me when I decide to tackle it. Idid have my first flyaway although it may have been more my fault than the equipment.. I'll be publishing a video, probably tomorrow called "How to get your drone out of a tree at 35ft." It was quite the adventure. I'll have to double check the satellites before I use RTH the next time I fly. I appreciate the advice. If you ever want to chat, email me at [e-mail] and I'll email you my phone number. As a newbie I don't know too many people who fly so I'm hungty to talk shop with a fellow pilot. If you're up for it drop me a line. Thanks, Greg

[@MarkSuttner]

+WePilotDrones I would look Forward to seeing that video ! :) I remember you telling me about that happening. But i thought it was a control error, Not a "FlyAway".. Those are 2 Separate Things. Flyaways are when the quad Completely Looses Its Compass Orientation and Literally takes on a mind of its own and just simply flies "away" until the battery dies. Anyways, I will try to email you asap. Im extremely busy with work and family, but do not mind talking at all... TTYL My Friend !

[@wepilotdrones578]

Mark Suttner Hey Mark here's that video you said you were looking forward to seeing. My crash into a tree and caught in a branch 35+ feet up. Here's the link to the short edit(6 minutes) There's a 14 minute version but everyone told me it was too long. Too many shots of me flying around my house. Anyway, see what you think and email me when you get some free time so we can exchange numbers and talk shop. Best, Greg

[@MrPolymers]

LOL. Damn, I don't know if I commented on this video. But, Mark is referencing me. Yes, it was living hell with this Advanced controller which I fixed then Hubsan had to fix. When all said and done, I ended up selling it when I got the DJI Mavic... Since then, I wanted a quad for my Eachine Goggles. I just purchased yesterday the H501s-s with the standard controller. Like Mark said here. I did not like the small screen on the advanced controller...

[@MarkSuttner]

MrPolymers +MrPolymers +MrPolymers Yes Sir, I was referring to your Advanced transmitter problem as one example of many. I can't say it enough times, the h906a controller was made for the h109s X4 Pro ! Not the H501S Or the H501S-S ! Even though it will bind to and control the h501s it was not specifically designed for that quad. Also, when it is shipped in a tiny h501s box it is likely to get damaged. When you purchase the h109s it has a very large box where it is in its own container which is surrounded by styrofoam and protected well.

[@bonydox9]

I have the hubsan h501s & I have no need to modify the antenna system on the standard controller. I've heard loads of ppl complaining about the "advanced controller" from what I've heard it wasn't even made for the h501.

[@derikdang8829]

Hello Mark - great comparation (as always), I'm really thinking about getting the H501S-S (latest model). Do you still recommend to stick with "standard" controller? Or just looking at another different FVP drone from Hubsan, i.e H502. Thanks

[@MarkSuttner]

Truthfully, I Still Recommend the H501SS Standard Version. Look in the comments section, last comment I got was a guy who Just bought a H501SS "Advanced Version". Look what happened to his Newly bought "Advanced H501SS". I can't stress enough how Poorly the H906A (Advanced Controller) is built. I don't even like it flying my H109S X4 Pro Quad ! It just sucks ! If I could control my H109S with the Standard Controller, I Would !!! As for the H502S, don't do that Bro. The 501S is Twice the quad than the 502S for almost the same price ! As far as other FPV Quads, it all depends on what you want to do with them. I have a lot of aircraft and could give you my "Personal Recommendations" as for other quads that aren't made by Hubsan. Ok ?

[@derikdang8829]

@@MarkSuttner Thanks Mark.

[@AlphaBiker54]

I have the H501S with the standard transmitter. I also have the Hubsan panel antenna like the one you have with the blue cable. Like you it's been too windy lately to fly so I only used my transmitter with the antenna upgrades once. But that one time I wasn't impressed. I'm not sure if there is really much of an improvement but I'll have to wait until I get a decent day to test it again. I'm looking forward to your comparison of the antennas. Also if the White 501, which is what I have, the European style, what style is the black 501?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Eddie Hicks The Black & Gold h501s is the US Version....

[@AlphaBiker54]

Mark Suttner OK, I see. I'm new to this quad stuff. Just got into the hobby this past January. My second quad was a black Hubsan 501. The first and only time I attempted to fly it, it wasn't responding correctly to the transmitter. I sent it back to Amazon. I didn't plan on getting another Hubsan, but I couldn't find anything else brushlees, and with the GPS feature in the same price range. So I ended up giving the 501 another try. I got the white one the second time around but not for any particular reason. So far my second 501 is working fine. I'm not getting the chance to fly it as much as I would like because we have 15 to 20 MPH winds everyday.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Eddie Hicks Yep. That's why I recommended getting the White & Gold EU style h501s. It seems to have A Lot less problems than the Black & Gold US Style quad. Also, The h501s Is A Very Good Quad for the Money. Brushless Motors, GPS, RTH, Follow Me, Headless Mode, 2 Low Voltage Failsafes to avoid crashes, ETC. There's A Lot of technology packed into the h501s for the price !!!

[@AlphaBiker54]

Those features you mentioned is why I gave the H501S a second chance. I could not find anything with the same features in the same price range. Being new to this hobby I didn't want to splurge on a DJI or similar and end up breaking or losing it. If I stick with this hobby and get more experienced, I may purchase something nicer.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Eddie Hicks Thats a Great Plan... DJI Products Are Very Expensive... Tou have the right game plan my man ! :) Start out with a "Beginner" quad, learn the basics of flying, then if you want, go for a more expensive more Sophisticated Quad... I do have a Phantom 3 Advanced. I can tell ya one thing about DJI Products in General... You HAVE to mount a Smartphone or tablet to the controller and Install and Run the DJI App in order to fly the quad. That App Crashes on Android Systems A Lot. Also the App Will Not let you fly at All if you are within certain areas, after dark, ETC... It has its limitations, but is a very nice quad. The only Downfall to quads that have to be ran by an App is you Have to be in a place where you can get Good Cell Tower Signal so the Smartphone or Tablet can Run the App... Other than that DJI makes Great Products but they are A Lot more Difficult to Learn how to use properly... I prefer setups where its Only a Quad A Controller with FPV Screen and a Pilot. Hope you Understand what im trying to say...

[@andy7796]

also I have both, but I had no problems except for the video signal, Can you advise me a best antenna? thank you!

[@MarkSuttner]

+Andy Iron At this point in time I have Not Tested the XDAMODEL, the NEW "Hubsan" 3 Panel Open Face, Or that Aomway 5.8GHz Transmission antenna. However, i have been using the BTG brand antenna since I first bought the h501s and h109s. That BTG antenna kit is awesome. I've gotten about 1,200 meters Clear FPV with the h501s and Standard Controller with Frequency set at 5755 MHZ. I also put that Antenna, FPV1 Controller and it worked great with the h109s X4 Pro as well. That particular BTG made Antenna can Only be found at Amazon. It comes with the entire Mod Kit, $15.99 US... I will be testing the other antennas Soon. There are other antennas that look Identical to the BTG, but they are made by a different company, and I have seen other people get those "Other" Identical looking Antennas for cheaper, but they tend to be built like crap and arent good at all... Thats about all I can tell you at this point. Thanks For Watching, if you have any further questions, Feel Free to Ask... :)

[@andy7796]

Mark Suttner thanks a lot! did you also replaced sma connectors with supplied ones in kit?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Andy Iron Yes I did. The Brand of antenna kit you buy is Very Important. Basically, you get what you pay for... I now have Multiple Antenna Kits, and the best Quality Wires were from BTG, That new Hubsan 3 panel open faced Antenna, and Aomway. The XDAMODEL Antenna Kit came with Very Poorly made wires... You can see and feel the difference...

[@raymondpalermo4998]

So should I get the h502s which comes with the older style transmitter?. It seems that it may have less problems ???.I know it is brushed but it may be more reliable.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Palermo I wouldn't Recommend that.

[@JimKline-yk9rr]

For the advanced controller you should really try the Aomway Blue Diamond directional antenna

[@gregstew6736]

Agree the advanced controllers need better QC (mine had bad pigtails and a loose stick pickup, which I had to fix up ) and I bought a second hand standard controller for piece of mind , but there is now a new dilemma as the latest software enables the advanced controller to do RTH to it's present ( the current new) location and circle fly with the H501s, so maybe it is advanced these days

[@MarkSuttner]

+James Stewart Ive heard of that before James. That is a Firmware Version that somebody Dreamt Up. Its Not going to work. The h501s doesn't have the right sensors or FCB to perform "Circle Flying"... I heard it was "Supposed" to do that 360 rotation in Follow Me Mode, Not RTH. If i saw an h501s start "Circling" during RTH, That would Highly Alarm me because that is the start to the T.O D. The h501s Already has Bad issues with RTH when it's Windy. Not during it's Straight Flight Back, But when it Starts it's Descent. If It's Windy out, when the quad starts to descend in RTH Be Ready to Switch RTH OFF !! Because the winds will cause it to start to T.B. ! It happened to me 3 times when i made the video of me flying the h501s in Altitude Hold in 17mph winds with 20mph + Gusts... That video is on my playlist. 3rd from last published. Its Hard to see, but if able to "Cast" or Watch it on a 1080p TV, you'll see what i mean...

[@gregstew6736]

Mark Suttner It works ok tx pro 1.1.9 fc 1.1.35. 501S rx 1.2.20 cicle fly rth to advanced controller location working no problem

[@MarkSuttner]

+James Stewart Thats Great !!

[@commandernoodles2367]

What do you recommend if we want GPS, 1080P, altitude hold, position hold and FPV? DJI's are expensive.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Patrick Zayco this video was made a long time ago, two years about. I recently got an h501s - s. The quad is improved with the changes they made to the original h501s. Making it the h501ss. All my hubsan quads function just fine, and I recently did a range test with the h501ss after doing antenna modifications to the standard controller and got some pretty impressive distance. So, for a quad in this price range, the h501ss or h109s X4 Pro are excellent quads. Sometimes when you buy the h501ss, if you get the so-called Advanced version, you end up with the h906a controller. That is where the problems come into play. If you get to Standard Version h501ss, all you need to do is external antenna mods which are very simple and you shouldn't have any problems. This video was mainly pointing out issues with the H906Aor Advanced controller, When you get that Controller With the H501S/H501S-S. Not many people have any problems when they get the standard controller.

[@commandernoodles2367]

Mark Suttner , very informative. Thank you. So if i'm a beginner and my purpose is to monitor a sugarcane farm (and of course playing too) will this be enough? Everyone says DJI. But DJI's just cost too much. I so wanna buy already. I just don't wanna make mistakes.

[@commandernoodles2367]

Mark Suttner , and what can you says about the MJX bugs2w?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Patrick Zayco If you want to use the quad for monitoring any kind of farm, you would Should get the H109S X4 Pro. The reason being is it is just like the h501ss, but it is a camera platform drone. There are three editions, low medium and high. The camera is built in to the front of the h501ss which would make it hard to hover over any particular type of farm and get a good picture of what is going on. With the h109s, you could Hover Around or fly anywhere over the farm and use the gimbal to turn the camera downwards or angle it, etc. If you're looking to have fun and use it for a good purpose, the h109s X4 Pro would be the way to go.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Patrick Zayco It's a cool quad, but it's doesn't have as much Functionality as the H501S-S Or Especially the H109S X4 Pro. Using 5Ghz WiFi for FPV IS NOT GOOD. The only reason they came out with the mjx bugs b2w is because people wanted a quad like the bugs 3 but also have the ability to have GPS and fpv. It didn't work out too well trust me.

[@toddsimmons4937]

Thanks for your advice i was thinking about getting a hubsen 5o1 s !!!

[@MarkSuttner]

This video was made about 2 years ago. Since then, Hubsan has "heard the message" , so to speak. Now, I would not hesitate on buying a H501SS. They changed a few things, to improve the quad. It worked ! I have A Lot of videos explaining the difference between the two. Also videos where I was able to fly the H501SS to 2,357 Meters Range & 50 Meters Altitude, with 1 Stock Battery, Standard Controller Antenna Mods and Just a 3dBi Dipole antenna !! The FPV Never Glitched !!! Check it out -> kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3yZZnmGhJxlgtk. OR this Amazing Flight ! --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZTXhaFjjdtprJI. Want to see it's abilities ? Watch this --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6vUeJJve5KesMk. It's Really a Great Quad !!!!

[@Temmie_gaming]

And also should I buy the standard controler or did you have problems with that?

[@MarkSuttner]

Temmie gaming and memes Once again, I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH PRODUCTS FROM GEARBEST. HUBSAN, DJI, ETC. Anyways, I would suggest getting the standard controller and an aftermarket antenna modification kit. There is nothing "advanced" about the h501s or h501ss. The only difference is what controller you receive. The h906a controller has a smaller screen but is more hobby grade, the h901a or standard controller has a larger screen and hasn't failed me in two years and also has a way bigger fpv screen, which is crucial for orientation with this particular quad. If you do the external antenna modifications you will get just as much range if not more with the standard controller.

[@Temmie_gaming]

Mark Suttner I will get the standard but I am not getting a external antenna kit it allredy has about a kilometer of range and a kit is not needed I just don’t want to mess around with wireing I am only a teen

[@Uslogisticsman]

Thanks Mark. Good video with good information. I have a 501s standard. One concern is fpv is terrible. Looking forward to your thoughts on which antenna to use for upgrade. Have yet to check if 2.4 side is soldered. Blue skies

[@MarkSuttner]

+Terrance Shimkus I am looking forward to seeing the test results myself. I have had the BTG brand antenna kit since Ive owned BOTH h501s And h109s X4 Pro. That antenna works Great with Both Quads. Frequency set at 5755 MHZ. 1,200 meters with Clear FPV...

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

I have the FRsky 7 dbi patches that banggood and hobbyking sell it seems great so far . I did open them up and check the direction of reception. (Front vs Rear) They seem well made internally. If I was going for super long distance, a 14 dbi might be better but it is always a much smaller width and height kind of area of coverage. That brand name blue patch is supposed to be a good one also. I forgot the manufacturers name sorry.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Paul F Yes, The Higher dBi's (Decibals) a panel antenna is the more Directional it becomes. It's Like a "Cone".... Higher dBi's the Reception "Cone" Narrows But you get more Distance. The Liwer the dBi's the Reception "Cone" Widens But you Do not get as much Range (Distance)... I know what your saying. I tested that Blue 3 Panel Open Faced Antenna Last Night. 1,600 meters Crystal Clear FPV, but Was Very Directional ! Could Barely Move the Controller or it would loose reception...

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

I just watched RC Model Reviews video on the blue aomway patch antennas and he was not impressed as an engineer. Another option is Immersion RCs at about 25.bucks or a FrSky at about 7.50 at Banggood but with less gain. Or even better is the Helicals. I just got one from Farvew FPV with some Pagoda antennas. They have RH or LH and 3,5,7,9,and 12 turn small helicals for 29-39 bucks They seem well made and small and light I haven't tried them yet but I have a good feeling so far. :)

[@reynoldslot]

Paul F -

[@RICKHALBUR]

Thanks Mark for the nice review of the controllers I just got the 501S with the standard controller 2 weeks ago because the advanced was 60.00 more and the mod kit was only 14.00. I didn't have a problem with wire being soldered when did hubsan start soldiering them? Thanks Again

[@MarkSuttner]

+BIGLUG94010 That is the million-dollar question right there! Like I said in the beginning of the video, I don't know if it is where people are buying their quads from or what.... I am starting to think that it has everything to do with where you purchase your controller from... where did you buy yours from, of you don't mind me asking..??

[@MarkSuttner]

+BIGLUG94010 GREAT QUESTION !!! THE BEST ONE OF ALL !!!!! I am not sure why people are getting controllers with the wires soldered but I am starting to think it has to do with where they are purchasing their quads from....

[@RICKHALBUR]

Mark I got my 501S from Banggood CHINA warehouse US out of stock and it did have the JST plug for the battery installed in it so I can use a 7.4 1200mah battery or 4 AA batterys

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Both of mine were also with IPX connectors and from Bangood near the end of March 2017

[@MarkSuttner]

+BIGLUG94010 Thats Great to here !! Those controllers Absolutely Need A LiPo !! They wont even be fully powered with AA batteries !

[@sirivmig7132]

thanks very much for info Mark, i plan to buy H501S standard for now after look this. beside antenna mod what others do u recommend me to buy? and can i mod H501S for more thrust? which way? recommend or not? , which 2 or 3-blades prop u recommend in high range? sorry for my poor english. Thanks you.

[@MarkSuttner]

Siriv Mig Hello. If you purchase a H501S, You will most likely Receive a H501S-S. They made a couple changes to the Original H501S. The changes they made increase the capabilities and stability of the quad. The SS has Longer Range, Better Stability in flight, etc. As far as the Antenna Mods, The Quad's Thrust (Throttle) Is Plenty ! Stock, the quad can reach about 55 MPH . These quads were Built and Designed to be Aerial Videography drones. They Are Capable of 3D Acrobatics, however it's not really good for it. It's not a Carbon Fiber Built Racing Quad. It Goes Plenty Fast In Altitude Hold. However, when these are Flying Very Fast the Stock Propellers Sometimes Flex and wobble. Leading to a T.O.D. (Tumble of Death). The stock propellers are a little bit too long in length and are kinda "Flimsy". They do sell aftermarket propellers that have more rigidity so they don't flex or wobble during high speeds. If You Really want to be able to fly 3D Acrobatics, they have 3 bladed Shorter Length Props that will work. Master Air Screw Company Makes Multiple Types. Before you give this quad Full Throttle in Altitude Hold OR Manual Mode, you may want fly it and get to know it's capabilities. Here's the Best Panel Antenna Mod Kit I've Found So Far. m.gearbest.com/fpv-system/pp_436713.html?wid=21 As Far as Different Props, you can get Carbon props from "Quanum" Company. www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B074Z1P5JW/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1522009254&sr=8-8&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=h501s+propellers&dpPl=1&dpID=51tIMh0pf%2BL&ref=plSrch 3 Bladed propellers are available from lots of places... www.ebay.com/i/162912078657?chn=ps&dispItem=1&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fi%25252F162912078657%25253Fchn%25253Dps%252526dispItem%25253D1%2526itemid%253D162912078657%2526targetid%253D411421675340%2526device%253Dm%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9018852%2526poi%253D%2526campaignid%253D1058581132%2526adgroupid%253D57408149732%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-411421675340%2526abcId%253D1133896%2526merchantid%253D113465034%2526gclid%253DCj0KCQjwkd3VBRDzARIsAAdGzMAZfHJo3Y7dybxFySYL06g5XZSPBSzm1v5e179jEQSj3KePcZ8tugYaApaKEALw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1478391913434

[@sirivmig7132]

Mark Suttner, oh thank again for info so ill try fly first before do mod about thrust. how about mod battery for drone and transmitter u recommend to buy for long range? ive seen u say about 11v battery? :D

[@CrazyBlueTv]

Great bought an Advanced one in black last week and waiting to arrive (from Gearbest)... all those video don't give me much hope. I just pray to God to have luck, at least one time, wish i saw this video earlier.

[@MarkSuttner]

+CrazyBlueTv I bought both my Hubsan's from Gearbest. Gearbest website to buy from. They actually do their own quality control checks. As a matter of fact, I was just contacted by a guy who just got his h501s from Gearbest 1 month ago. He got the FPV2 (Standard Controller) and his wires were not soldered and his quad flies excellent. I think a lot of these problems are stemming from where people are buying their quads from. I would not worry too much if you ordered it from gearbest ! :) :)

[@CrazyBlueTv]

I often buy from Gearbest and never had a problem, but after seeing all these videos and reading the Facebook group where recently a lot of people report issues I am kinda worried but we will see.

[@bradwatts8222]

demand has pushed quality down in the rush for supply ? , I ordered advanced on April 4 and it was shipped may 5 when hubsan had stock again , might be a teathered first flight to prevent a fly off if quality has dropped so far , I knew keeping that old fishing reel would come in handy one day

[@MarkSuttner]

+superbradthestrong I believe that is what happened. When the h501s practically went viral on KZbin their sales quadrupled... so to keep up with the demand they were being manufactured very quickly and a lot of people received faulty equipment... however, since I made that video I have heard from several people and then just bought there quads and have no problems... Maybe Hubsan Finally got the Message !!??? It's always a good idea to take your first flight low and slow and make sure all the functions work properly before going long range, Etc. Etc. Thanks for Watching ! If you don't mind me asking, where did you buy your h501s from?

[@joshuafreeman6720]

Maybe you can help me. I got a h502s and only had it 2 days and 3 flights. The thing gles bezerk whenever it wants. Wont let me land it. It keeps fighting me to stay flying.. And follow me wont work right it doesnt even look for me when activAted. It also keeps telling me the quad itself battery is dead and still flies for about 8 or so mins longer.. Also the camera glitches kn and off alot.

[@MarkSuttner]

Joshua Freeman It sounds like you have a bad 2.4 GHz Coax Wire. The stock coax wires (Pigtail / Ipex) are notoriously bad on all Hubsan controllers... If it is flying erratically, it sounds like you have a problem with your 2.4 gigahertz antenna and or most likely the coax wire that connects the 2.4 Antenna to the 2.4 module via ipex / pigtail connection. Is this your first Hubsan quad ?? Follow me mode, RTH, Telemetry, are all ran and controlled through the 2.4 gigahertz module, coax wire and Antenna. From what you are describing, it definitely sounds like there is a problem with the 2.4 gigahertz communication between the controller and the quad. 90% of the time it is a Faulty 2.4 Controller wire. It's most likely that, OR, you are getting massive interference from WiFi routers, power lines, cell towers, basically anything that emits electromagnetic radiation... (Radio Waves).

[@MarkSuttner]

+Joshua Freeman I forgot to ask, did you do the external antenna modifications to the controller? "Long Range Antenna Mod" ??

[@raymondpalermo4998]

Hi is your quad running any better

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Palermo I Never had a Problem with any of my quads (except an FPV problem with my H109S X4 Pro). I easily fixed that. This video was pointing out Problems / Issues that A Lot of other people are/were having.

[@jean-pierreroy8294]

Well done telling it as it is, i have had a h501s for a month no issues yet i am thinking of putting antennas wil have to check the inside i guess

[@MarkSuttner]

+jean-pierre roy doing external antenna modifications is basically mainly for long-range flight. However. The antenna modifications that you can do our very simple as long as the 2.4 control antenna wires are not Soldered to the module. Also, their not just for "Long Range" They Improve FPV signal, Accuracy of the Control Inputs, Etc.. Basicslly Just makes it A Lot more Enjoyable to Fly ! Thanks for Watching :)

[@jean-pierreroy8294]

Thks Mark i will certainly do the upgrade keep up the good work and videos

[@MarkSuttner]

+jean-pierre roy Thank You ! I wasn't trying to "Bash" Hubsan, I just feel bad for people that spend their hard-earned money and receive faulty equipment.... that should not happen, no matter what the circumstances. Quality control should be number 1 priority especially with a drone! Thanks for Watching :)

[@franknapolitano9144]

Which FPV Quadcopter System, with monitor included, do you recommend ?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Frank Napolitano If you are referring to a Hubsan made quadcopter, 3 Recommendations ----> #1 Low Edition H109S X4 Pro. #2 Medium Edition H109S X4 Pro. NOT the High Edition H109S because it comes with the H7000 Smart Controller (Android App Controlled). #3 Standard Version H501S / H501SS (With External antenna Mod Kit for Controller). Those would be my personal recommendations for Hubsan Quad's with Live 5.8Ghz FPV :)

[@teeman9266]

i think my advanced controller started acting up too, im think of replacing it with the standard, would it bind to my current h501s that came with the "advanced" transmitter?

[@MarkSuttner]

+T-Man when you buy the h501s with the FPV1 Controller it uses different firmware so it can be controlled by that transmitter. The standard (FPV2) uses different firmware. A Lot of thr time.... I cannot answer that with 100% certainty at this particular moment. Also, remember that the newer FPV2 controllers are now coming with the 2.4 control antenna wires soldered to the module making it very difficult to do an Antenna Mod. I can look further into whether or not a new TX wouldvBind, would need to know what firmware versions you are running. Another thought would be to look into why your FPV1 Controller Is "Acting Up"... what exactly is it doing? A lot of times simple things just get worn out and can be easily fixed. But that depends on what type of problems your having. I could help you more if you let me know what firmware version you have and what exactly your controller is doing when you say it is acting up...

[@teeman9266]

When I was flying my quad this monday, when i took about 70 meters out, red LED starting showing on the quad and it lost responsiveness to my input stalled. The other day I tested it again, i took it out 70 meters, again, red LED showed up and went i walked further out, it RTH (at least that works). I think it may have something to do with the 2.4 antenna.

[@MarkSuttner]

+T-Man Its Most Likely The 2.4GHz D-Pole Antenna Wires (SMA to Ipex) going bad. It could be the antenna, but i doubt it. Carefully unscrew the antenna from the connector and see if there is any "Gold or Silver Metal Plating" Left on the threads of the Antenna. Those Should Not Be Removed, even when Transporting. Im not saying you did that, but just from using the controller over and over, that Cheap metal plating will wear off because of the electrical current, causing Bad Continuity between the antenna and the controller. If that looks Ok, if you have a Multimeter, Detach the Ipex Connector from the module. Perform a Continuity test. Use the tips of the multimeter's test leads and touch one to the Tiny Center of the Ipex and the other to the Outter part of it (With the Antenna Attached). If you dont have Continuity (metal to metal connection) between the Tiny Inner Clip and Outer Connector, your Coax Wire went bad. (SMA to Ipex Wire)....

[@MarkSuttner]

+T-Man Red Led's Indicate RTH, Or Low Battery Voltage.

[@teeman9266]

I dont have a multi meter just yet to check, ill invest in one sometime this week. The cable looks fresh, nothing looks broken

[@timmysingh8062]

Does the advanced give out better range? Thats is both being stock of course

[@MarkSuttner]

+Timmy Singh Yes. Only Reason is because the "FPV1" (Advanced Controller) Already has External Antennae. That the ONLY Reason why. If you do the External Antenna Mod to the "FPV2" (Standard Controller), it will get Just as Much Range...

[@tjdavz4750]

Hi Sir Mark. Any feedback buying it from Banggood?

[@MarkSuttner]

No sir. I haven't heard anything "Great", about buying quads and so forth, from there. I have not personally bought anything from them either. From what I here, Banggood is better for a parts type place. Not getting the whole setup. But, I have also heard from a few people, that have, received their quads from there and they worked fine. So, I can't say for "Sure". But I think the majority of people, usually buy parts from there, not entire quad setups.

[@tjdavz4750]

@@MarkSuttner okay Sir Mark, thank you so much for your advice and for your immediate response. Really much appreciated!

[@AltCine]

I bought the "advanced" it's now sitting in a box, destroyed and me injured after 7 days. Trying to get PayPal to sort it as gearbest ignoring me 😩 very unpredictable quad

[@MarkSuttner]

+iamcolinedwards What Happened? ???

[@AltCine]

Mark Suttner I had a range of problems from the start. Cracked antenna, range issues(pig tail) and the drone itself had broken screw chambers inside where the lights are. I would randomly lose control. I was having discussions with hubsan and gearbest but on the 3rd flight after successfully calibrations the drone went mental! I took it up a few metres then it just went crazy, Went into some trees, dropped on ground but I couldn't cut the motors. Smoke started coming out even though none of propellers were obstructed. I had to manually pull battery before it blew up, that's what cut my hands up.

[@MarkSuttner]

iamcolinedwards iamcolinedwards WOW ! That Was Definitely a Very Bad Q.C. Issue !!! If it was smoking with NO Props being Obstructed, that was Probably A Bad ESC Or A Main Battery Wire Short circuit, Somewhere in the quad. If you have video footage of what happened, you should receive a New Quad. However, like Any Company is Going to say : "You were aware of a Fault / Bad Equipment and you Used it Anyways, The Total Loss is Your Fault"... I Really Tried to Warn People about the "FPV1" (Advanced) Controller !! This Was NOT Your fault in My Opinion. I am willing to bet the Controller was Shipped with a Bad Pigtail Wire. The Cracked Antenna & the Broken Motor Mounts were "Probably" Damaged During Shipping. PayPal has a great Return Policy and You Definitely Should be able to get your $ Back Or Receive a New Quad at NO Cost. However, if you read the "Fine Print" that is advertised And inside a "Disclaimer" pamphlet you should have got with your quad, it basically says "Your F*****D" if Proper Calibrations weren't done Before Use, Flying Near Trees and or Buildings, Etc. Bottom Line is I really think you should be able to Work with PayPal & GearBest to Resolve this issue to Your Satisfaction. There are Several ways to Contact Gearbest... You can send them a "Ticket", You can Sometimes Chat in RealTime with Cust. Service., Recently they added another way to communicate with them. "Facebook Messenger". Make Sure you Are Contacting "After Sales Service" or you Will get a delayed response, and A Lot of times if you send a ticket or Message to like "PreSales" or something, They Won't Know What Your Talking About. Sorry for what happened to you, and I hope Everything works out for you. Do you have any footage of what happened?? Either from the quad's camera Or A cellphone ??

[@AltCine]

Mark Suttner The week I had it was a complete nightmare and nearly sent me back to £30 toys as these things are lethal. The trees were actually quite far away, I had to chase it through the field and jump fences. The trees just stopped it flying away! Yes broken pigtail but the patch antenna was also extremely loose. Hubsan offered me a new one at a slight discount, gearbest have stopped replying so I've opened a dispute with PayPal.

[@AltCine]

Mark Suttner I literally couldn't believe what was happening. It was like something out of Terminator! I'm so grateful my kids weren't with me as they usually are but I've since purchased insurance and take extreme care even with the cheap toys.

[@808galvatron]

Ok so wait are saying your friend has problems with it. But you never have any problems with yours.?

[@MarkSuttner]

Yes and No. I NEVER Had Any problems with any of all 3 of my Hubsan Quads or Controllers. I was "trying" to say A LOT of people WERE Having problems with the H906A Controller when it was paired with the H501S Package.

[@anyshitt]

Hey Mark. if the standard controller already has the 2.4 Gz mod on it, would it hurt to try this DJI 2 watt antenna booster on it ? if the RP VS NON RP SMA CONNECTORS are compatable ?

[@MarkSuttner]

+anyshitt Ive seen booters put on them before. I dont think it would hurt anything.. However, does it have its own power source? Or do you just screw it on the SMA on the top ? The one Ive seen looked like a little box with a long antenna coming off the top... the "Box" looking part was the signal booster and it mounted to the side of the controller with the Ipex wire running through the top whole to the internal 2.4GHz module. I don't "Think" it would hurt anything Unless it Drew to much power through the circuit board... You Sure it's 2 Watts ??? Thats A Lot of power bro !!!! BTW, Ive been watching your videos, Ive just been so Busy, I haven't had time to reply to your comments, and google+ stuff. Im Swamped with work... Anyways, Usually signal boosters are measured in Milliwatts. Not Watts. 2 watts at 8.4 Volts is 16.8 Amps... Voltage × Amps = Watts...

[@MarkSuttner]

+Mark Suttner I think thats the Correct Equation.... Bro Im soooo Tired i can't even think clearly right now. I took some college courses in digital electronics and there are laws regarding electricity. If that is 2 Watts, that would mean it is a 2000 milliwatts booster. The modules in the controller are only 200 Milliwatts... after I think about it, that is a lot of signal boost... I was reading I answered question from hubsan from customer regarding a panel antenna... they were saying that the h501s can reach 3000 meters with the 200 milliwatt module, 6000 meters with a 400 milliwatt module and 10,000 meters with a 600 Milliwatt module... I don't know about all that... 3000 meters is pretty damn long !!! 10,000 meters is Insane !!!

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Wow, 2000 milliwatts is a lot of power. Your better off using better antennas for more range IMHO. The most I have ever used is 1 watt/1000milliwatt 433UHF . If there is anybody around you on that frequency you will override everything and cause them problems FWIW.

[@anyshitt]

lol boy I hate math,, I am sure you seen these before, It is a power module powerd by an external lipo, mounted just under the dipole antenna. I have seen two people on youtube use them before. one guy put one on his bug's 3, and i dont remember what the other guy used it on, ( but it was not a dji quad) www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q6EKUSG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 anyway I purchased it for my MJX but I figured since the sma connector is already on the Hubsan ? if it's RP or non RP campatable? it would take like no time at all to screw it on and power it up to see what happens,, but it just might be over kill considering the most I have flown is 500 meters and the most i hope to fly is 800 to 1,000 meters.. and on top of that, I have more problems with short battery life than I do with loss of transmitter signal..THANKS BROTHER,, GET SOME REST dont work to hard...

[@anyshitt]

Thanks Paul, this is until I was telling Mark about..www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q6EKUSG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Ive seen them go for as little as $18. i bought it in haste to experiment with an mjx bugs 3 controller

[@AlphaBiker54]

Did you ever test the panel antennas? If so which do you consider the best? Thanks

[@MarkSuttner]

+Eddie Hicks Yes, I was able to test the New Hubsan 3 panel open faced Antenna and the XDAMODEL. I went to a very large open field and basically did a long-range fpv test. The Hubsan 3 panel open faced Antenna from Gearbest and the XDAMODEL Both work very well. I did 2 flights... First Flight i used the XDAMODEL... Solid FPV all the way to 1,500 meters, FPV Never Broke up, until I moved a few inches... You have to Remain Very Still and Make Sure the Panel Antenna is Facing Directly at the quad, Especially at Long Range. Before Second Flight I put in another Fully Charged Flight Battery, so the two tests were "Unbiased"... I used the New Hubsan 3 panel open faced Antenna. Flew in the Same Area, Etc. Reached 1,500 meters with Solid FPV the Entire Flight. I even pushed it a bit further and went to 1,600 meters, FPV Still Solid. I Even moved a little and FPV Did Not Breakup At All ! So, out of those two Panel Antennas, I would say they Are Both Very Good, But I Do Prefer the Husan 3 panel open faced Antenna More than the XDAMODEL. It Never Lost Signal, Even when i moved 5 feet to try and get the controller's screen Out of the Blaring Sun. So, basically I would Rate the NEW Hubsan Antenna the Best, and the XDAMODEL Not Far behind it... I do have some footage from the tests, but it came out really bad because the sun was So bright you could Barely see the screen... As for that BTG brand antenna, that was the First Antenna Kit I ordered to do the mods. Ive used that antenna since day one. That antenna gets Good FPV to around 1,200 meters, than starts to lose Reception. Still, very Good Antenna. But from the tests the New Hubsan 3 panel open faced Antenna Worked The Best.... I have Only seen that Antenna on Gearbest... The XDAMODEL can be found on Bangood, Amazon, Etc. Im Going to try and get some Descent footage showing the Long Range FPV Tests. Wind has bot been Cooperating At All Lately... I will send you the link, on where to find that New Hubsan Antenna....

[@AlphaBiker54]

Wow, more than I expected. Thank you very much for that detailed reply. I appreciate you taking the time. I have the Hubsan 3 panel antenna so I guess I'm in good shape. I haven't flown my 501 for a couple of weeks because the weather has been so crappy here. I'm looking forward to going further than the couple of hundred feet I'm going now. Not pushing for anything near 1500 feet at this point though. :)

[@AlphaBiker54]

Thanks, that's the kit I already have installed on my transmitter.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Eddie Hicks I'm No Longer going to be Doing Long Range FPV Floghts like that Anymore. That Distance Is Very Far. 800 Meters Is Far ! Thats 1 Kilometer in itself and at those distances, you can't see the quad, Must Rely on FPV. With Panel Antennas, Especially High dBi's, they are Very Directional. Must keep the Panel facing at the quad when flying. Especially At Far Distances. Panel Antennae have dBi Rates like all antennae. Panel Antennas have a reception area that resembles a "cone"... The Higher dBi's the Narrower the Reception Area Gets But it Will Receive Further Range. Lower dBi's have a Wider Reception "Cone", So they will Receive Signal In a Larger Area But Have Less Range (Distance)... It's Kinda hard to Describe. Do you get the Concept ??

[@AlphaBiker54]

I think I got it. Thanks again.

[@juniorsjc22]

Hey Mark, i have a doubt, i want to buy the H501S, what controller you think the best for this model? Standard or Advanced? I already have the H502S with the standard controller and i like very much this model

[@MarkSuttner]

João Alberto Júnior For the H501S, Now the H501SS, I always recommend the Standard Controller. (H901A/FPV2), it has a lot of names. If you are willing to do the Simple Antenna Mods, You Will Be Very Happy ! At this point in time, I Don't have anything Against the "H906A/Advanced/Pro", Controller, but the screen is Way too Small, you will get More Range and FPV with the Standard Controller if you get the Right Antenna Mod Kit. Ultimately up to you. Personally, I Love my H901A Controllers Better than the H906A Controllers.

[@juniorsjc22]

Mark Suttner do you recommend a specific antenna modification kit? I bought one kit on GearBest, but don't arrived yet, so i don't have a chance to test it

[@MarkSuttner]

João Alberto Júnior This is The Best Antenna Mod Kit I have so far... Out of about 12 kits... m.gearbest.com/fpv-system/pp_436713.html?wid=21

[@juniorsjc22]

Mark Suttner thanks buddy, i will buy this too and make the test... i need some antenna that increase the range of my H502S

[@MarkSuttner]

João Alberto Júnior kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3yZZnmGhJxlgtk . kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZTXhaFjjdtprJI

[@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN]

Cheers for uploading, subbed, I just had to lol, now for the question, would you get the s or the newer, ss hardware version? Is the white one usually the s? Thanks again for uploading your informative videos.

[@MarkSuttner]

pa maj kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWPYYWycZt9qqNE

[@MarkSuttner]

pa maj the colors of the drones do not distinguish between an h501S & h501S-S (H501SS) . The H501SS Has A H501A flight control board and a completely different 5.8 camera module. the link I sent you should help distinguish between the new h501ss & h501s.

[@MarkSuttner]

pa maj Personally I Would Not be in favor of the new H501S-S & It's Firmware. I have heard good things about the new version but also very bad things. I "Personally" Prefer the Original H501S & Original Superflyer Firmware. However, since they are now producing Only the newer h501SS, you're not going to have much of a choice as of what you receive if you purchase one...

[@pa_maj.MARTINI-van-MAN]

Cheers Mark, I know what your saying, that was my thoughts as well, places are advertising the s but it could be the s-s one I end up receiving so better to check, i don't think i would bother with firmware updating anyway if all is well. I could get the Hubsan h109s x4 pro 5.8g fpv rtf standard version for £120.00 more, is it really worth paying more for it as battery prices are way dearer and it has that big looking advanced box? lol, cheers Mark, I really appreciate your help with this.

[@MarkSuttner]

pa maj That is ultimately up to you. the h109s X4 Pro is a very nice drone. so is the h501s. the biggest difference between the two is there Configuration. I like the h501s because it is small, making it very easily portable, it is more nimble then the h109s because it is half the size and is not a camera platform drone. However, I actually prefer the h109s over the h501s because it has a gimbal, landing gear, so you can move the camera around while the Drone is hovering stationary and take pictures or record something. you cannot do that with the h501s... because the camera is built into the nose of the Drone you have to basically fly and try to keep it stable when taking pictures and videos. Also, the h109s comes with a lot more than the h501s... it comes with a better charger, the FPV1 Controller, a separate gimbal setup that you can attach any type of cell phone to, if you want to, the standard camera that comes with it is actually pretty nice, the gimbal attachment will hold any GoPro Hero, you can get 40 minute flight times instead of 20, it comes with prop guards standard, you don't have to buy them separately like the h501s, I guess it comes down to what functionalities you are looking for in your drone. The H109S is Very Loud & Powerful. It can handle wind Better than the h501s, it has all the same functions, RTH, Altitude Hold, Etc. the only function the h109s does not have is follow me mode . the h109s has better Motors and bearings, it can take way better videos and pictures because the camera is not built into the quad, Etc. the h109s X4 Pro is basically like a phantom but it does not have all those sensors and radar, etc. personally it depends on what kind of flying and or videos/Pictures you want to take. Personally You Get A Better Quad for the $ with the h109s X4 Pro

[@raymondpalermo4998]

So I hear good reviews on the 502s why do you not recommend that one ?.Quad copter 101 loves the h502.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Palermo It's not that it's a "Bad" quad... It just has some downfalls. #1 Very Short Flight Time. #2 Only 720p camera. #3 Brushed Motors. #4 Kinda Small, so it will have a hard time flying in wind. The H501S, NOW the H501SS has about 20 minutes flight time (Almost Double the h502s), Full 1080p camera, Brushless Motors, it comes with a 2S battery, so you can use a Pro Charger, and it's Larger. It will fly in wind better. It's a better quad for the money.

[@raymondpalermo4998]

ok thanks

[@h_survivalist3876]

Could I still mod it or have they stopped that now? You should know because you got the brand new version??

[@MarkSuttner]

Brandon Haynes yes, you should be able to mod it no problem. All they did was put some hot glue over the ipex connector on the 2.4 module. It was not soldered. Even if it is soldered, you can still mod it.

[@ABirdInTheHand]

Thanks for that Mark, I'm waiting delivery on the externals and sunshield ( fpv2 ) from gearbest. Should be here any day now.

[@MarkSuttner]

+A Bird In The Hand Which Brand and type of Antennas did you buy ??

[@ABirdInTheHand]

The kit they sell for the hubsan, The patch antenna which says FPV on it and the dipole. I managed to catch one of there flash sales.

[@MarkSuttner]

+A Bird In The Hand That same Blue one i showed in the Video ?? If so, that Looks like its going to work Very Good. It comes Nicely Built. The SMA to Ipex wires are Nice as well. Good Rubber Shrink wrap around the Main Solder Points, Etc. The XDAMODEL Antenna came with Very Poorly made wires, one actually fell apart when I grabbed it out of the bag... Have Yet to test them, but am looking forward to seeing the results !

[@ABirdInTheHand]

I Think its the blue one, When they arrive I'll do the upgrade and run a test , weather permitting.

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

Aomway is the brand name on a lot of the blue ones at a lot of websites. They had a QC problem a while back, but it seems to be fixed now. RCModel reviews did a bunch of testing on them I believe.

[@silbernersurfer8264]

Whats the range for radio and FPV?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Silberner Surfer It All Depends on what type of Antennas you use, the resistance of the SMA to Ipex wires And Connectors, Your Environment, Etc. So Many Variables it's Crazy. Modules Milliwatt Power, Etc. Anyways, if referring to the Standard 3dBi Di-Pole Antenna and h501s, I have flown to 1,600 meters range, Had to RTH after going that far so it had enough battery to get back. During this flight I was using the New Hubsan 3 panel open faced Antenna. Solid FPV the Entire Flight. I also did another Range test... Same Location, only fresh battery and the XDAMODEL Antenna. Went to 1,500 meters. FPV Was Solid, however if i moved the antenna a few inches, FPV Started to Breakup. That is to be expected at that Distance though... Amazingly When using the New Hubsan Antenna, i moved 5 feet to try and get out of the Blaring Sun because I was trying to film the screen. The FPV Did Not Breakup At All. Both of those Panel Antennas Worked Excellent but i did Prefer the Hubsan over the XDAMODEL... Remember those flights were in A Wide Open Farm Area With No Kind of Transmission Interference. (Power Lines, Cell Towers, Houses, Etc.) I have flown in other areas that were Pretty Far away from "Cities" and did not reach those distances.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Silberner Surfer You can find the XDAMODEL Antenna All Over... Bangood, Amazon, Etc..

[@kanchushadow7505]

what's good H501S OR H501S-S ?? I'm gonna buy it .. is it good after 1 year.?.or there is new Quadcopter for 240$, end of 2017 ?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Kanchu Shadow They are Both Good quads. The H501SS is just a little bit different than the H501S. All they did was put an H501A FCB & an H501A Camera Module inside, and also the H501SS as the circle fly function stock. The earlier original h501s did not have the circle fly function but they do now have firmware updates so it can Circle fly.. Otherwise, besides the H501SS having its own unique firmware versions, The Quad is exactly the same as h501s except for the two Hardware components and the circle fly function. Oh yeah, it also returns to home facing you. The original h501s returned to home backwards, unless you messed it's Firmware. It is kind of a toss-up as to which one is better. Some people like the h501s better, and some people like the h501ss better. Because of really bad weather for the last month, full-time job and buying a new house, I have not been able to fly much and compare my original h501s to my h501ss. I still need to do some range testing and other stuff like that to definitely decide which quad is better, but there really isn't any major difference that I can see so far...

[@MarkSuttner]

+Kanchu Shadow Oh yeah, by the way, when I got the H501SS, it did include a lipo battery for the controller, a sunscreen for the standard controller and also a spare filter for the camera lens. Those items were not included when the h501s first came out back in 2016.

[@kanchushadow7505]

thanks man H501ss good for me💣.

[@kanchushadow7505]

Mark Suttner can i use h501s remote for h501ss ?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Kanchu Shadow No. Not Unless you change the Transmission Firmware to Match the Firmware Versions for the quad. The H501S-S's have their own unique firmware versions and they are Not compatible with an H501S.

[@bintangharida6973]

So, who is the better for h501s? standard or advanced controller ?

[@MarkSuttner]

pilot medhok I "Personally" And strongly recommend to others to get the Standard controller. As long as you don't mind buying an External Antenna Mod Kit, the Standard Controller Will be Better And more Reliable. It's Very Easy to do the antenna modifications and once they are done, you will get just as much range(Maybe More) as you would with the advanced controller. If you are about to buy an h501s, you are Actually going to get the H501SS (H501S-S). Hubsan changed a lot of things. The 5.8 module is different the flight control board is different and now because of federal laws they are FCC compliant. Which means they only have a maximum of 450 Meters Range. Unless you get a Standard Controller and do the antenna modifications Or if for some reason you buy the advanced controller you will need to buy an aftermarket panel antenna. The new Stock Panel antennas that come with the advanced controller are limited to 450 Meters. I would definitely buy the standard controller but it is ultimately up to you.

[@MarkSuttner]

+pilot medhok Oh yeah, the new h501SS does Three things differently. #1 it can orbit fly around the controller. It just tracks the GPS module exactly the same as it does when the follow me mode function is turned on. #2 It can RTH (Returns To Home) Forwards instead of coming home backwards. #3 It can also RTH where the Controller is located Instead of where the props were First Armed. The Original H501S Does Not have those 3 Functions. However, it takes certain firmware versions in order for those three functions to work. Also, if it does not come with those certain firmware versions, and you try to upgrade your firmware, A Lot of times people end up Losing some of their functions, Or even worse, making the quad Unflyable. Maybe Since the Introduction of the H501SS and It's Different Functions, it could be possible that the advanced controller would be better... But... the advanced controller always seems to come with something broken or faulty which will in turn make your quad crash, Or you will have to fix things .

[@raymondpalermo4998]

Is there any way to get the old 501S version instead of the SS ?.The S seems better and I fly in a football field so range is no big deal to me.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Palermo If you were to go on eBay or Amazon where a third party might have the original h501s you could probably get one that way. Just make sure to specify it is an original h501s and if there are pictures it should be in a different box. I showed the differences between the two in another video of mine. I also thought the original h501s was better than the h501ss when I first got the SS... After several flights, I no longer think that. The h501ss seems to fly just as well and has some better functionality. The only thing I don't like is that they switched the camera module. Anyways, if you buy from gearbest, Allied Express, banggood or even Amazon, you're most likely going to get an h501SS.... If you really want the original h501s, your best bet may be to find one from somebody who already has it and has not used it or trying to use eBay or something similar...

[@-T90Vladimir]

This is the information I've been looking for for some time! Thanks! I was planning on buying this drone, but after hearing that qualidty went down, would it still be safe to buy a H501 Advanced? It is quite some money for me, nearly at the limit of my budget, and I wan tto make sure that I get my money's worth. If you don't recommend this one, what else would you recommend? (Only criteria is it should have altitudd hold, GPS and a 1080p cam). Thanks in advance! :)

[@MarkSuttner]

Well, If you did not know this, Hubsan has changed the Original H501S. (Big Time). It's now called the H501SS / H501S-S . They changed the 5.8 camera module and replaced it with an H501A module. They also Replaced the Entire FCB (Flight Control Board) with an H501A FCB And They Now have Way different Firmware Versions. They are able to RTH facing forwards instead of backwards. They can also Orbit Fly around the controller's GPS module(If you have Specific Firmware). However, these changes Are Not Seeming to be a Good Thing to A Lot of people. They receive quads that flyaway, the 5.8 module has issues, and just A Lot of problems I'm hearing about. Even though Retailers WILL NOT Specify you are going to get an H501SS, you are 90% Likely to get one. The Original H501S with the Original Superflyer Firmware was THE BEST ! Now, they made all these changes, and I don't see what for ! Hubsan claims it's a "Better" Schematic design, but I think they are Full of It !! I just received a new H501SS and have only had the chance to fly it Once. From that one 20 minute flight, I Personally was NOT Impressed, At All. My Original H501S is 10 times more stable, it has NO Problems ! This new H501SS was ALL Over the place in GPS Hold(I'm talking 3-5 Foot Drifting) ! I brought it home Several Times(RTH) to perform a different compass calibration(Because of all the Instability) and it went into a V.R.S(Vortex Ring State/ Toilet Bowl) EVERYTIME ! Yes, It was Windy. About 10-13 MPH Winds, However My Original H501S Has No Problem Maintaining GPS LOCK in those winds. It does T.B on RTH in high winds, but Not Like this new H501SS... I Can't Bash it yet because it was only the first flight, new out of the box. Some People are having absolutely NO Problems with the H501SS... Some people are having Major Issues. IT IS ALWAYS A CRAP SHOOT WHEN YOU BUY A $200-$300 Quad. You may receive a problem free quad OR you may receive a quad Full of problems... Some of these problems are Catastrophic and you will loose your equipment, for good. To this day, I still recommend the Standard Version White & Gold Quads. There is NOTHING "Advanced" about the H501S / H501SS !!! You just get a controller that wasn't even made or designed for the quad !!! The only thing that is different is the "Advanced H501SS" can accept a 32 GB Micro SD card. The Standard's Max is a 16 GB card. Buying the Standard Version then doing the SIMPLE Antenna Mods Will Save you Money & will be just as good for range, etc. Not to mention the FPV2 (Standard) controller's screen is MUCH Bigger. The tiny screen on the FPV1 (Advanced) controller is MUCH smaller. Actually TOO Small... The new H501SS' now come with a Sunscreen for the controller, a SMALL LiPo battery for the controller and a "High Light" camera Filter. It's Ultimately up to YOU, but I would "Recommend" the Standard Version H501SS. If you want something similiar, Look into a Bugs quad. They have A Lot. Like a Bugs B2W.

[@-T90Vladimir]

Mark Suttner Thank you for the detailed reply! So you say that the Standard version White&Gold are still safe to buy? I found it on GearBest.

[@MarkSuttner]

T-90 Vladimir I don't know if I would say it is safe, it is more like a crapshoot. Some people get quads that have no issues and others receive quads that have a lot of problems. I have not had a chance to fly my new white and gold Standard Version H501SS more than one time yet, so I can't really say for sure yet. They are nice quads, but you have to be very cautious about the quality control. A lot of people are getting bad coax wires that go to the antennas and other people are getting everything just fine. It's Ultimately up to you if you want to buy one. They are on sale right now on gearbest. "Flash Sale"... Still Personally Recommend the Standard Version EU Style... ;)

[@MarkSuttner]

T-90 Vladimir I was able to fly my new H501SS today. It actually performed Very Well !! I Always test ALL Functions and Flight Stability, Etc Before I do the antenna Mods. This flight was in 15 MPH winds with a Large T-Storm approaching. Without ANY Antenna Mods, she flew graciously 400 Feet up, (122 Meters), with "OK" FPV. I was trying to get Confident in the quad. It's GPS Hold was "Good", it fought the wind and flew pretty stable, without tons of Jello Wabble or "OverCorrections" by it's FCB. Only 2nd Flight, but she performed Very Well... I would say Go For It !! Buy one if you want. The Newest Firmware came with mine, and it's pretty cool. Orbit Flying, RTH Forwards & It RTH within 5 feet of you(where the controller is). NOT where the props are First Armed. I gotta say, so far, this quad is doing good. Just Be Careful if you flip RTH On if it's Windy OR you are near trees, etc.. The camera is a bit different than the Original H501S. When you look at your recordings, you can see the Blur of the Flashing Front Red LED's on both sides of the monitor.(It may have been because it was Almost Dark), and I bet you Probably Wouldn't see those flashes in the Day Time. Anyways, So Far So Good Buddy ! :)

[@-T90Vladimir]

Mark Suttner Well, good to hear that! Hopefully it stays problem-free for you! Thanks for all the info! It really helps a lot! :)

[@billlyon1206]

What exactly is the "External Antenna Modification" for the FPVII?

[@MarkSuttner]

Bill Lyon kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpvIfIypqJ1ka5I

[@MarkSuttner]

Bill Lyon You Buy A "Kit" that Usually comes with a 3dBi Dipole Antenna, A Panel Antenna and 2 SMA to Ipex Wires. You Use them to Increase Range for Control Signal & FPV Reception... m.gearbest.com/fpv-system/pp_436713.html

[@Marc-Vickers]

Looking at h501s x4 pro. You recommend?

[@MarkSuttner]

Marcus Vickers You mean the H109S X4 Pro ?(Bigger Camera Platform Quad) Or The H501S "Advanced/High Edition" ???

[@Marc-Vickers]

Mark Suttner I’m pretty sure it is the h501s x4 professional.

[@Marc-Vickers]

www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Drone-Hubsan-H501S-Pro-X4-5-8G-FPV-Brushless-1080P-Camera-Quadcopter-/302319435541

[@Marc-Vickers]

I’m basically looking for best gps quad for under $300

[@MarkSuttner]

Marcus Vickers If you look at the Square barcode on the belly of the quad and on the controller it will say, "H501S" OR "H501S-S". Also if you look at the Firmware Versions, it will say in Red Letters, "H501S" OR "H501S-S".

[@jorgemota3879]

I'm getting a standard one tomorrow I hop it's ok by now we are in 2018

[@MarkSuttner]

+jorge Mota You should be good. You will be getting a H501S-S . Unless you Specifically brought a H501S. The h501ss has a bit of stability and flight improvements Over the h501s. However, the changes they made (H501A FCB, Camera Module & Locations of certain internal Electronics in the quad), can give the quad more range capabilities, batter GPS hold, Circle fly, Etc. Can be Pretty Cool. However, there is something I've been noticing that happens every now and then and it's not only mine it's other people's h501ss as well. Sometimes the video will not stop recording. All you have to do is press the video button once to start the recording and then press it again to stop it so it will save. For some reason, sometimes it will not stop recording and you will lose your footage. That kind of sucks and I'm not sure why it happens but every now and then it does. Other than that, it's a really nice quad.

[@jorgemota3879]

Mark Suttner thank you for your fast reply here is what I bought Hubsan H501S X4 BRUSHELESS FPV Quadcopter Drone 1080p Camera GPS Automatic Return Altitude Hold Headless Mode Drone (black)

[@MarkSuttner]

+jorge Mota Where did you purchase it from?

[@AltCine]

Thanks for this! I’m sure it will help a lot of people 👌🏾

[@commandernoodles2367]

Hi. Would you prefer MJX Bugs 2w over this?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Patrick Zayco No. The reason being is the fpv signal is through a 5 gigahertz WiFi connection with the bugs b2w. Wi-Fi connections for fpv do not have very long range at all. Unless you get a WiFi booster for your smartphone or tablet. Using 5.8 gigahertz real-time fpv transmission is better than wifi in my opinion

[@commandernoodles2367]

Mark Suttner , THANK YOU.

[@LheNuggetz]

I've got the pro kit and I promise you just got screwed I had. No problems other than trying to fly a mile out with a bad battery and lost my h501s

[@MarkSuttner]

So you bought the so called "Advanced/Pro/High Edition H501S" ? I "tried" to Warn viewers about that configuration. The H906A Is NOT Made for the H501S/SS ! It's made for the H109S X4 Pro. Even with the Huge H109S, Long Range TX Antenna Built Into the 109S, the h906a Controller has So Many Problems, it's Not worth the chance of you loosing your Quad ! The H906A Controller is Very Poorly Designed, Lacks in it's ability to be a "Real Time FPV Configuration" & Long Range TX Transmitter ! It just seems like it was / is a marketing Promo. Sorry you lost your quad Brother. I know that Really, Really Sucks. I've been through it, time and time Again with the So Called "Pro/Advanced/High Edition" 501S/SS ! The H901A Controller is the way to go, if your going to buy a 501S. Do the external antenna modifications and you will have no problems. When you said, "about a mile away", are you referring to Meters or Miles ? I'm only asking because one mile equals 1,600 Meters. At that distance, if you're not using a High Gain TX (3dBi - 9dBi) Antenna or are flying around buildings, houses, Hills ot mountainous regions, you are going to get a Bad Fresnel Zone Effect. To fly long range, Use the H901A ,(Standard Controller with Antenna Mods), in a Very Flat and Non Urban Environment. When you said it was do to a "Bad Battery", what exactly do you mean ? The controller Battery or the Quad's Flight Battery ?

[@LheNuggetz]

if it's not built for it then why do I have 3 different firmware updates for the controller? MADE for the h501s/ss yes I now have 2 h501s and h501ss and have had NO problem with it at all lol. idk just my experience though. and I have 3 friends all with hubsans no issues.

[@MarkSuttner]

@@LheNuggetz Do you actually think just because there are firmware versions so you can use that controller to control the h501s that it was actually designed and built for that particular quad? It wasn't. This is a direct quote from Shally Liou from Hubsan "the h906a controller, is meant for people that are not good at doing antenna modifications to the correct controller, the h901a, for the h501s". Look Way back in the comments on this video, you'll find it. Hubsan Official contacted me about this....

[@anyshitt]

Good stuff Big Mark,, You were dead on about the BTG panel antenna,, my after market open face panel is in the garbage where it belongs..I love my hubsans but I look at them much more than I fly them,, I guess I have grown superstitious about when and where I toss them in the air..I have a couple near by spots other than the dust bowl that I'd like to explore, though I plan many more trips to the bowl as well..So far i went 500 meters with the 501-s and Probably only 200 meters with the H109-s but the goal is 800 meters for both of them and i am a happy camper..I like the standard controller but I am probably going to have to open mine up becasue the sma conector for the 5.8 side has gotten a little loose and I think I need to epoxy it from the inside....Man like i said, I look at my babys on a daily basis.. and i know the batterys are just getting older, but i dont feel like taking them out on the short little sport flight's that I take all the time without any real purpose..i look forward to seeing what you think of that blue open panel antenna...I had a set of clover leaf's stashed somewhere around the house, but I dont know which one is for transmitting and witch one is for recieving signal? I think I will look for them tomorrow when I get to moms house.. Yea it sucks that none of these companys keep anything good for very long before they go messing things up.....P.S. that took ball's saying the E.U. white 501-s gets a higher test score than the black one! lol Good thing I am not politicaly correct...see you in the next video buddy!

[@eCubilla]

The H501s High Edition DOES NOT come with an app. The H501s High Edition, has different names from different sellers, Advanced or Pro version. The H501a uses your phone as the controller and DOES use an app. You can use the Advanced transmitter (aka FPV1, model # H906a) with the H501a. The more expensive transmitter H700 uses an android OS on the transmitter, which has a touch screen. It can also be used with the new H501s-s as well as the H501a. I'm unsure if it works with the H501s. From my understanding, the Standard version is the H501s, while the Advanced (aka High or Pro version) is the upgraded H501s-s.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Ed Cubillan The H109S X4 Pro is what im referring to. NOT Any of the H501S quads. The H7000 Controller is Also what i was talking about.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Ed Cubillan +Ed Cubillan The H109S X4 Pro HIGH Edition Comes with a 3 axis brushless gimbal And the H7000 Huge Touch Screen Android App Controller. I know what your talking about, i think there is some confusion as to what Quad i was referring to ...

[@eCubilla]

The Advanced version seems to go by many names. I found out it also called the Professional or High Edition. I just received mine from BangGood with the H501s-s, which happened to be the upgraded version of the H501s. The Standard version comes with the H501s. I just received mine the other day from BangGood and haven't had a problem with it.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Ed Cubillan Thats Good. Hopefully Hubsan Finally got the Message !!

[@eCubilla]

Or maybe just bad units. No matter what drone, there is always some bad units. I hear the same thing regarding DJI products.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Ed Cubillan Yes, thats true. Hubsan products were Really starting to get bad for awhile... A Lot of people are / were receiving Faulty Equipment. Way More than DJI. Hubsan is a Subsidiary Company Owned by Tekstra Brands INC. They Distibute their products Worldwide for resale. Quality Control Went Downhill after the h501s practically went viral on KZbin. Their sales quadrupled. So, to keep up with the h501s demand, I think they started manufacturing them very fast and were probably skipping quality control protocols. Some International Distributors Perform Their Own Q.C. Before shipping the products. I Believe Most of the people who are receiving Faulty Equipment Stems from Where they purchased from.

[@SheaR6]

So the standard is just as good?

[@MarkSuttner]

Shea300zxTT since I had made that video , which was a while ago, Hubsan is now making H501SS (H501S-S)... They changed the 5.8 camera module the 2.4 receiver module (FCB) "Flight Control Board" and swapped them with H501A parts. They also come with different firmware now. They can orbit fly around the controllers GPS module and they can also return to home forwards instead of backwards and with some firmware they can return to home where the controller is instead of where the props were first armed. Even with the changes, I still personally recommend the standard controller. Besides the firmware and some parts being different in the quad there isn't anything else that makes it advanced. The only thing different between the standard and advanced versions of the Quad itself is that the advanced version can except a 32 gig micro SD card. The Standard Version quad has a maximum of a 16 gig micro SD card . Even though Distributors do not advertise they are now h501ss instead of the original h501s, you will receive an h501ss... Even with the changes, I still recommend the standard controller because that controller was made and designed for the h501s /h501ss. The FPV1 / H906A (Advanced) controller was made and designed for the h109s X4 Pro. At this point in time, I have heard good and bad things about both versions... Most problems stemming from people that buy the advanced version. There is something about the fpv1 controller and the h501s / h501ss that Does Not mix well... It is ultimately up to you, but I still personally recommend the standard version.... By the way, the standard version now comes with a sunscreen and a lipo battery for the controller.... If you by The StandardVersion, Usually all you have to do is buy an aftermarket High Gain panel antenna to replace the stock one and you will get way better range if you decide to buy that one ....

[@andrewmaudsley7692]

Quality control is a problem agree the pro one does have antenna problems and the pannal antenna brakes. These are easily fixed and one should test both the shield out wire and the core wire from end to end. Use a antenna you can put on and using a multimeter check it on high the inner and out core. The reason they have turned to soldering is so it's better than a rubbish ipex falling off. It's not that hard to cut the wire and it's a low level skill needed. But on hubsan part it's better as the failing is at the ipex brakes. No ipex no problem. The switches lickly did not work as the software is not correct. They have to someone match between FC, TX and RX the fixed pad likely had new software on it that the drone did not know what the switches mean, the pro one is for me better as the sticks are much nicer, the display is smaller but of higher quality, the pro one you cannot record to the pad the standard one you can. The antenna is not a loop or has to be one. Some antennas do but need a resistor but that's another story and untreated to that comes ad stock, if people read the manual before flying and test thing instead of thinking everything is going to work, you will crash it. It's flying and something will fail in time. Lipos fail and no power it's going to fall. There Facebook page for the most part has some lovely people who help people who do not understand. Agree they when quality problems but it's made in China and made buy the person who is being paid penny's. Things are going to slip. Again check and read before taking off

[@stephenjose1472]

should of bought a DJI Phantom advanced or pro

[@MarkSuttner]

+Stephen Jose I was flying a phantom 3 advanced for a long time. I sold it for a pretty penny even though I did not want to sell it, I did. There were a lot of reasons why and one of the reasons was that you had to use a smartphone or tablet and log in to the DJI app in order to fly. Well, it would not let me fly in certain areas, app would Constantly Crash, Etc. I know they have improved their app and now people are running Litchi, but I'm contemplating buying an Enspire 2.0 . The h109s X4 Pro doesn't have all the obstacle avoidance sensors or the ground sensors and infrared and radar, etc like the Phantom 3 Advanced had, Howver, it flies good enough for me for now !!!! It has Gimbals, different mounting brackets for different cameras, Etc.

[@jawsyap]

Hubsan Support Team send me auto-reply emails few times, saying just came back from holiday and will respond in few days time. I send reminder every day but only get same auto-reply email. That's how the staff at Hubsan Support Team works. Disappointed.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Rossi Yap Hubsan os a c Subsidiary Company of Tekstra Brands INC. They Distibute their products Worldwide for resales. A Lot of Problems with Customer service and or Support Depends on Where you purchased your quad from...

[@thecentralscrutinizer5105]

....and 4 years later, they not only _STILL_ suck logs.....it's gotten worse, these corporate ripoffs *HAVE NO* tech-support... it just looks like they do ;)

[@uksewingmachineservice7030]

I have 3 hubsans for last 2yes all ok so far mate no prob 😉😉😉😉

[@TonyVon]

Hi Mark, I bought my H109s direct from Hubsan almost a year ago and I have problem after another with both drone and advanced controller .My H109S has had 4 or 5 good flights in a year. Most the time it is a failed flight. You have just been lucky; Husband takes a minumum of 3 days to respond and then not much help so far. I have ask them to replace my drone at least 20 times because I feel it a bad actor, it rarely flys without issues.. Normally when I spend 1000.00 on something I get a replacement if it does not work properly. Husband needs to support the customer and tighten up QC. I have a drone that I am scared every time I fly : I am worried its going fly off on its own. It has a few times but I was able to get it back without a crash.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Tony VON DOLTEREN +Tony VON DOLTEREN That is very strange. The reason I say that is because when I contacted HubsanUS to ask them why they did not sell and h109s X4 Pro battery, they said it was because they do not sell that quad. This was about a year ago, but they did tell me that they did not sell the h109s X4 Pro from HubsanUS. You can only get that quad from third-party vendors... I'm not sure if that has changed, or what the deal is with that. What kind of problems are you having? One of the most common problems with the "FPV1/ H906A" Controller bad SMA to ipex coaxial cables. $1,000 !??? What Edition did you purchase? That quad is Only around $1,000 if you buy the "High Edition" which comes with a brushless 3-axis gimbal and the h7000 touch screen smart transmitter (Controller).

[@MarkSuttner]

+Tony VON DOLTEREN m.gearbest.com/rc-quadcopters/pp_330810.html?wid=21

[@monicagraf7125]

Hubsandrone fliegen lassen

[@Elecifun]

I have a new H501SS which I bricked because Hubsan did not tell anyone about the changes and that the H501S firmware is different to the H501SS until a month after releasing the H501SS. Hubsan released their warning video the day I bricked mine. Also it is with the so called advanced controller and I agree with Mark, there is nothing advanced about it. I made a video showing the differences kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3PYZ3xrlJqMaNU in case you wondered. Yesterday I received a new FC for my original H501S and now it is fitted and the quad and controller updated, re-bound and calibrated. Problem so far is if I rudder right the front right leg rises and the craft come backwards, if i rudder left the front right leg dips and the quad follows it. This makes flight impossible. Oh the joys of owning a Hubsan H501S or SS.

[@timfunk5747]

Mine works fine

[@tonymcclendon-hobbytime7727]

Great review mark!

[@MarkSuttner]

Thank you Tony :)

[@captaingreed3478]

Sir Im about to buy the H501S standard version on gearbest. May I ask if what is the best firmware version (safest, farthest, most stable) And what is the best antenna mod I can buy in GB?

[@MarkSuttner]

Villajin Villalobos Antenna Kit ---> m.gearbest.com/fpv-system/pp_436713.html Firmware Versions (Controller = 4.2.24 , 1.3.4) Quad = 2.1.29 , 1.1.38) Or 1.1.36

[@thecentralscrutinizer5105]

realizing this is 3 years old but for all else, stay away from the H906a, also known as fpv-1 or _Deluxe_ controller at least w/ firmware v1.31.19 on it.... it's unknown 3rd party firmware that is the only one that will work with the replaced LCD display, any other will take out the LCD , then your flying blind.....also, v1.31.19....it's IMPOSSIBLE to find anywhere!!! Making this H906a, a 100$ paper weight

[@AngryHatter]

That's why you modded the antennas on the standard? It has better antennas included - you have to mod the standard. And then the batteries do not last as long driving the larger display. "Loop circuit?" WTF is that? I worked in GAA antennas for 40 years. DMIR for the FAA. No, it takes a 7.4 li-po - Hubsan includes one. ;)

[@MarkSuttner]

Wow man. Relax. Firstly, When I said "loop circuit", I was guessing people would understand what I meant. I know it's not an "actual loop circuit". As you probably know, the two wires going to the antannae, don't even touch, after they are split from the main coax. The tip is the "Positive", the surrounding braided wire is the "Negative". The module sends power to the coax, the Negatively Charged waves, emit outwards and omnidirectional. The Positively Charged "Signal Wire", is at the very tip, of the dipole and has a higher Voltage. So the 1/2 or 1/4 " wavelength signal can emit outwards & omnidirectional, then return back, to the Higher Voltage tip, of the antenna. The Fresnel Zone comes into play here as well. I shouldn't have to explain it all, if you know a lot about antennae. That was a Dipole reference. Secondly: The only reason I did the external antenna mod is because the stock antannae, are behind the plastic shell of the controller, they are Not better, than any 3dBi or higher dipole, panel, yagi, or even a helicoil. The stock 2.4 TX antenna is nowhere near, even 3 dBi. That little omnidirectional whip antenna, they glue in there is garbage. The 5.8 side, is actually a directional panel antenna. What is good or better about a directional panel antenna, behind a wall of plastic? How is that better ? Using a simple SMA to Ipex cable, you can put whatever type of External antenna you'd like. That goes for both sides, the 2.4 & 5.8 . Third: I guess once again, I figured people would read between the lines. I know it's not absolutely "necessary" to use a 7.4V LiPo for the Controller's power source. However, it will last a hell of a lot longer than using AA batteries ! Alkaline, rechargeable nickel metal hydride or even NiCad batteries, won't last as long as a LiPo will. It's not just to power a larger screen either. The H901A (Standard Controller's screen is 720p. The H906A (Advanced Controller's screen is full 1080p. It takes more power, to produce a 1080p screen, then it does 720p. It also needs a lot more vid signal, which is lost at far range. The screen will start to turn black and white and eventually lose enough signal strength and will start to completely black out. Using the SS, Standard Controller, the external antenna mods, only using a 3dBi Dipole and a 14dBi panel, I've got the SS out to 2,357 meters range at 50 Meters Altitude. Using only one flight battery. Guess what? The FPV never even glitched ! Wasn't using parabolic boosters either. I have 2 videos of those flights, if you don't believe me. I could have went even Further but I needed enough battery capacity, for it to make it back (RTH). Basically, the Perfect FPV signal, Outlasted the flight battery. Anyways, this video your commenting on, is over 2 years old. I'm aware of the changes Hubsan has made to the 501S models. Yes, they come with a 1400mAh, 2S, 1C rated LiPo for the controller. And a sunscreen and a little half assed piece of film, they call a ND Filter.

[@AngryHatter]

@@MarkSuttner Why do you imagine I am not relaxed because I brought up flaws in your presentation? Chill.

[@salvadorroldan9419]

Thankx for the tip

[@Tony-bu3om]

thanks for sharing

[@johnjones-hy4un]

well im buying one. ive heard way too many good things about this quad. sorry u had so many problems

[@MarkSuttner]

Michael Ramirez this video was made two years ago. If you listen to the video, I clearly stated I Never had Any Problems with all 3 of my hubsan drones. Other people were having a lot problems when they would buy the advanced version original h501s. Since this video was made, the original h501s is now the H501SS / H501S-S . The H501SS has a H501A FCB & a H501A Camera Module inside. The quad has improved. However, people are still having issues with the FPV1/H906A / Advanced Controller. Check these Other Videos if you want. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYGQc4GYbL6Sa6s . kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3yZZnmGhJxlgtk .kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZTXhaFjjdtprJI

[@JamieMcClanahan]

Shouldn't you ttest all the antennas prior to rating one GARBAGE!??,and a soidered wire is better the plugged.

[@MarkSuttner]

Actually, I did end up testing all of the antennas. The best by FAR was the one with the Blue coax wire. Got it from Gearbest. The stock Hubsan panel antenna is 6dBi. Thats pretty weak for a Panel antenna because they are "Directional". Even though the higher dBi of an antenna is, the narrower the reception field gets, it is still stronger at close range and far range. Didn't mean to say the Hubsan antenna was "Garbage" but it's not "Great". And yes you are correct about the soldered connection. There is no tiny bit of electrical power loss, when using a solid/soldered connection, opposed to an Ipex / Pigtail connector. However you need to make sure that the transmission wire to the antenna, from the TX or RX module, have all the same resistance. 50 ohms. If you get a mismatch between the module and your antenna, you'll lose signal strength. Thx 4 watching !

[@raypilot9958]

thanks

[@TheAhernFamily1]

ok don't get that piece of shit black one if we buy thanks man.. what do u think about that CG035 compared to the 501s?

[@MarkSuttner]

+Aheezy Da Islander Not too Impressed with the CG035... The Standard Version Does Not vome with a Camera Or Any Type of FPV Transmission. The Controller is Very Cheesy and You Won't get much Range with it. It Doesn't Seem to be able to Maintain Altitude (Even in GPS Mode) When you pitch forward, Etc. The 1080P Version which is A Lot more $ Does come with a Very Goofy 2 Axis "Self Centering" SERVO Controlled "Gimbal", it does not seem to stay level at all and you must constantly be adjusting the camera during flight, they do include an fpv monitor that cheaply attaches to the top of the controller, However, that Does Not Show Much Telemetry. It does show some, but not much. I do not own one, so I can't really safe for sure which is better but from the reviews I've seen the h501s is a way better purchase.... Heres One In Depth Review of the CG035 ----> kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKK1haZ_nJ6ejKs

[@shallyliu2779]

Hi Mark ,i am sorry for the bad experience with the advanced transmitter maybe .I have no idea what happen with your advanced transmitter .but if you got any troubles .you can feel free to contact with me at [e-mail] .but I do want to clarify something about what you mentioned in your video ,firstly compared with the standard transmitter ,the advanced transmitter can get better stick controlling flexible and make it better to control the drone .more over ,the it can get better video and controlling range without any modification .for those person who may not so good at the modification with the antenna modification ,we do suggest to purchase the advanced transmitter to avoid messing up with the modification and also damaged the warranty .anyone got with any troubles with the advanced transmitter ,please do feel free to contact me at [e-mail] and also please keep the stock configuration instead of messing up with the antenna seems to be get better range .maybe you can make a testing range comparison first before you make the conclusion and decision .Thanks

[@MarkSuttner]

Shally Liu This Video was made 2 Years Ago !!! I do appreciate your response, but it is Way Late ! If you watched the Entire Video, I said : " I Have Had No Problems With My Controllers or Quads". I am Well Aware of the Differences between the two controllers. The H906A "Advanced controller" has Major Issues ! Mainly from Faulty 2.4 & 5.8 coax wires ! Also, the H906A was Made for the H109S X4 Pro. Stuffing a GPS Module inside, so it could be used with the H501S / H501SS WAS A COMPLETE "AFTER THOUGHT". Obviously, this is the First video you have watched. I Have A Lot of Videos Showing that "Hubsan" quads are Good Quality. However, you know as well as I do, Tons of other customers are Receiving Faulty Equipment !!! All The Time ! You & Anne alone Cannot Handle a Massive amount of customer Assistance ! I Really thank you for your Efforts, but in the end, it's not enough. Tekstra Brands Inc. Needs to Acknowledge that their Subsidiary Company "Hubsan" Needs WAY More Customer service, More Staff, Etc !!! Oh, By the Way, You say you have a "warranty"? Wow, take a look at what TONS of your customers are going through !!! Whatever.... Luckily I know enough about Electronics to fix problems or issues My Self, and DO NOT EVER Need Assistance (Or what you claim is "Assistance" --> [e-mail] ??? Lots of luck for your customers that Do Not have Technology Experiences. Thanks.

[@raymondpalermo4998]

Wow you gave her an ear full but ,well deserved.

[@OnlinecarshowNet1]

Shally Liu would hubsan be open to a review from a car corvette and camaro channel?

[@MarkSuttner]

+OnlineCarShow IDK about Hubsan, but I Sure would Love to see that ! #CHEVY 4 LIFE ! F.O.R.D = Found On Road Dead

[@Jacob_Crowthorne]

Thanks for the video, but please could you wash your hands and not be drunk next time cos your speech is slurred and your fingers look like you've smoked 60 and not been to the bathroom!! Apart from that though all good.

[@MarkSuttner]

LOL, Seriously ! Actually, I run a huge family business. It's an Auto Salvage & Recycling biz. My hands are always f****d up... I'm not Drunk either, Tired ! 65+ work hours a week !!!

[@Jacob_Crowthorne]

@@MarkSuttner okay, I take it back...

[@dragonjn]

No problem with my FPV1.

[@MarkSuttner]

+dragonjn I don't have any problems either... For some reason A Lot of people Are having Problems with their controllers. That's why I made the video. I wasn't trying to "Slam" Hubsan or anything, was just trying to explain that For "Some Reason" people Are having problems. I think it Has to do with Where thry are buying their Equipment from....

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

I agree. Like a lot of chinese vendors they tend to have a few QC problems as they ramp up, but they have seemed to straightened them out for now. I believe enough guys like Mark rightly brought it to their attention. I kinda think of Hubsan as the china version of DJI as a company :) They seem to decently try to fix problems tho and thats great.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Paul F Hey... sorry I have not replied to watch you were saying, I was working all weekend and have not even had a chance to pick up my phone or look at my computer.... it seems like when the h501s practically went viral on KZbin, their sales quadrupled... they obviously had to manufacturer them a lot quicker and we're probably skipping a lot of quality control protocols... however, after myself and a lot of other people are bringing it up I think it caught their attention.

[@PatriotPaulUSA]

I completely get it bro, do your thing. I understand, people have lives :) I figure most will respond when and if they have time or intrest. Its all good Mark :)

[@MarkSuttner]

+Paul F I can tell you know about quads and their Electronics, Etc... it's nice to talk with someone who knows about these things... I'm trying to help like 15 people that are having problems.... a lot of people have solved their problems after contacting me, but others are still having issues. It's not only the people that comment on my videos, there are people that sent me Facebook friend requests, and now use the Facebook Messenger to contact me. I have no problem with that, Sometimes I just don't have time to answer back right away...

[@SeasonalPro]

Advanced controller!

[@Temmie_gaming]

Don’t buy your god damn stuff from gear best get it from amazon but many people say it has bad quality control but some people don’t

[@MarkSuttner]

Temmie gaming and memes Not sure if you're addressing that to viewers of this video, I specifically said I have never, ever had any problems with any drones and or accessories and Equipment bought from GearBest. Always Great Products. Amazon has good products as well, However they are a third party Fulfillment company. Products bought from there are not made there or sold by the actual manufacturers.

[@Temmie_gaming]

Mark Suttner most of the time it is hubsan selling there products on there or a website like Andrama camera mjx sells there products on there just I don’t really trust those Chinese companies that are from China warhorses because one returning things is a nightmare and 2 I want fast and free shipping Ok quick edit I just checked and most of them are not sold by hubsan but I don’t really see a problem with that if you do please tell me what can go wrong

[@fishman0069]

there is nothing advanced on any hubsan product ! just saying ! Toys ! But fun to fly.

[@MarkSuttner]

Agreed.

[@raymondpalermo4998]

Sounds like you know your stuff .That seems to be the problem with stuff from CHINA!!!.

[@MarkSuttner]

+Raymond Palermo well, almost 90% of every household item including drones are made in China. Even companies like DJI have processors and parts in their usa-made drones that were actually built in China. I believe that after hearing multiple stories and talking to a lot of people that it may be the way the h501s is packaged when you get that controller, the advanced one. It's kind of crammed into a box and can easily be damaged. There are multiple ways to fix the antennas or the SMA to ipex transmission line if damaged, but when screens do not light up or there is a bad circuit somewhere in the controller, that is a pretty big issue compared to just wires and antennas..

[@marioestebansapollnik7662]

Hi Mark Suttner. First, excuse my bad English. My language is Spanish and I am translating this message with google translator. You have very good information. I congratulate you on this. In three weeks I travel to the USA (Washington and NY). I want to buy a Husban H501 in a physical store. In my country, Argentina, it is currently practically impossible to buy by mail. I was thinking of buying at B & H in NY. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1216666-REG/hubsan_huh501sbk_h501s_x4_fpv_quadcopter.html Do you still think that the STD driver (H901A) is better, or have you changed your Idea and is it better to buy the advanced controller (H906A)? It seems that the advanced controller is of better quality and more aesthetic although it is true that the screen is slightly smaller After reading so many comments I am a bit confused. I am Radio Amateur (LU9ADG) therefore I understand the antennas topic well. However, I do not know how to modify antennas in the STD controller. Is not it simply to remove one and place the new one? It is very interesting to be able to obtain a greater range of scope and improve the FPV. In addition to quadrocopters, I plan to buy spare batteries and a propeller kit. Sold for the Husban 501-SS propeller protectors and landing pads? Where to buy? In B & H they advertise the H501S but I suppose it will be the H501SS. I also thought to buy some cheap micro or Dron to practice the flight inside the house. What do you recommend? All your comments are welcome, thanks in advance!

[@orgejetfloydphilipp1764]

Oh hi mark

[@MarkSuttner]

+Jetfloyd Orge Hello :)