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[@Unofficial2048tiles]

B is a level in geometry dash, with a medium demon rating (insert AI generated text here)

[@tyrawr4394]

If you're trying to learn by tracing, AI is not the way. AI trains on 2d images through binary code, that's why they have to use billions of images to train on since they have to use algorithms and identify patterns to create art. This is unlike human artist which use less images for training since instead of understanding through algorithms, patterns and code, we train by understand by understand perspective, form, gesture, lighting. Even then, AI art makes a lot of art mistakes such as having multiple suns so tracing AI art might introduce bad habits.

[@phamduy1906]

You're actually wrong about some small details tho. We humans have way bigger "data set" to work with and learn the pattern actually. Since our eyes works like 16/24 hrs a day to capture everything and learn from them. And yes, perspective, form, gesture... are just pattern. We just call them principle because they're proven while pattern created by AI is 100% guess-work. But overall, at least some artists willing to understand AI before calling it's bad, most artist I've talked with just say AI "merge" a bunch of existing images to create the new ones

[@nml5290]

@@phamduy1906 if everyone have a “bigger data set” from what you say then everyone should be able to draw right away. But that not how it works. Artists view/see things differently than a normal person who doesn’t draw or had tried doing art. No one is saying AI is bad, but the way it’s used is very unethical and very few people tried to use it in an ethical way, that’s why people are calling AI bad. And saying that the AI “merge” a bunch of existing images to create new ones is not wrong either.

[@phamduy1906]

@@nml5290 Most people can draw actually, they just can't draw beautifully. And artist don't see thing differently. No one "born artist", all the artist that I know train to be one. And AI don't merge a bunch of existing images to create new ones. Please at least try to find out how AI works first. And I'm not here to say AI is good or bad. AI is a tool, it can be used either for good or bad. The one you need to blame is the company using these tools

[@tyrawr4394]

@@phamduy1906Thanks for mentioning that, I can see how humans do have bigger data sets since we literally live in the world experiencing it, unlike AI which can only do it through 2d images or code. On the pattern, and fundamental thing, I do agree that fundamentals are technically still patterns, but I just didn't call it that because I wanted to differentiate random and guesswork patterns versus patterns that are based on reality and what we experience since I would be repeating the word pattern a lot.

[@phamduy1906]

@@tyrawr4394 Sure, it's just the name

[@rigmaroul]

reminder that ai is a fad and will never create the shit i cook up on ibispaint with a knockoff apple pencil and a cut-up sock hell yeah

[@c.y.651]

Amen, ibispainf and a sock are the way to go.

[@sketch-eee4165]

Amen, brudda. They can't out compete our Mickey Mouse and Shrek yaoi pregnancy art.

[@jewelthejaguar742]

YEAHHHHH

[@T_E_G]

This made me cackle 😭

[@floppy_the_froggo]

@@sketch-eee4165YEEEAAAAAHHHH

[@encerdardner]

I hate generative ai so badly

[@dirt55]

AI art helps me be creative and make something good looking I cant draw anything good because i cant draw in a much bigger time frame because of my mental disability. I remember trying to draw more than one page and getting frustrated at the fact that I could not seem to force myself to draw anything even after doing it everyday for a couple of months. Ai helps me be creative without having to be reminded of the fact that I am disabled

[@dreamwanderer9769]

​@@dirt55There are plenty of artists with mental and physical disabilities. Frankly you gave up too early and needed to keep trying. You're confusing laziness with inability. No one is good at anything right away. It requires work and learning for anyone regardless of being disabled or fully abled. I wasn't good at drawing myself until I just kept drawing until I was. AI "art" requires no creativity or work. I recommend following fellow disabled artists on social media to help inspire you.

[@dirt55]

@@dreamwanderer9769 I suppose I could try drawing again I think I will just want to do it for fun mainly like I do with AI art. I did not really consider that I gave up to earlier though I think I will try it again also I do remember drawing on a pen once I did like the process of making itself so I will try to do it thanks.

[@dirt55]

@@dreamwanderer9769 I will still use AI I will just pick up drawing to see if I can make something good even if I have a mental disability.

[@skittles-circus-sys]

I do too

[@enravotaboyadjiev7466]

AI "art" isn't actually art. Art is made by humans. The way I see it, being made by a human being is a pre-requisite for something to be called art. AI images are just data, not art Edit: tikimillie suggested expanding "human being" to "biological life-form" to include paintings done by animals, such as monkeys and elephants

[@starsandallwitch]

that's true! and at the same time the biggest issue with AI generated images is that it uses the human made which is why some of these images come out looking "good" or "just lile real art" sucks major time but honestly I trust the art community is stronger than this hurdle ever will be

[@er_cl]

they should be called "generated images" because thats what they are. its a shame the word art has been latched onto these abominations in the first place

[@enravotaboyadjiev7466]

@@er_cl exactly my point

[@ripadblock]

But AI art combines the styles of many different artists To make its own unique art piece. Humans work In a similiar way; we pick up habits and styles from different artists and combine them In a way that we are able To create unique pieces of art. Not defending AI, just sharing my Thoughts because "I feel like" is not a solid nor a productive argument against AI.

[@tyrawr4394]

Scratch that, art is made by the input of any living thing. Since animals other than humans can create art as well, whether you think it looks good or not does not dictate if it's art or not

[@felineicious8888]

The fact that their methods of assessing if something is traced AI or not was laughably bad should've been sufficient hints as to their own AI tracing. lmao

[@coal9205]

Ai art has accidentally proven to me that the concept of art having a soul exists

[@anoon-]

Corporate art

[@eco1969]

hello professor

[@Window4503]

@@lightintheduskSometimes you have to take the fish out of water for it to realize what it took for granted.

[@haresonaga]

LAYTON PFP

[@YIMBELTON]

@@haresonagaI thought it was the onceler 😭

[@MF99K]

I think looking at twitter ai accounts and getting discouraged by engagement is somewhat silly given that 90% of twitter is bots rn and all that engagement is almost definitely botted

[@neraslight4997]

It’s so sad too a lot of vtuber accounts are also botted to the brim.

[@williamdrum9899]

It's been mostly bots for a while

[@DeathsinkTV]

In a way, it's funny how AI bros keep saying how AI is a legit form of art and shouldn't be judged but in the same breath try to pass AI stuff as genuine self-drawn art. Which one is it?

[@MetalGearBepis]

i hate twitter

[@whitehom]

🪑💔

[@masterzoroark6664]

Yeah tho you should hate outrage economy- it's not just twitter, it's reddit and youtube too (and those sucked that milk from the older media, mostly television and tabloids)

[@sellingchildren]

@@masterzoroark6664 let bro hate twitter

[@TheOriginalManTrust]

​@@whitehomwhy is the chair sad

[@whitehom]

@@TheOriginalManTrust I am chair and chair is sad

[@MF99K]

I feel like recording the entirety of the process for every piece isn’t necessarily feasible given that some pieces take 7 hours or more to draw and a 7 hour video file is going to cram up a TON of computer storage. It’s better to just show layers. I also know that for me I either forget to record, start off traditional and then trace photos of my sketches, or go off to have a 2 hour conversation with my roommate and forget to fix the recording

[@alankiitty]

theres timelapses that speed it up , so that it isnt actually 7hrs . ibispaint for example has a 16x speed cap which is more than enough to cut down anything to an hour at most

[@MF99K]

@@alankiitty I don’t use ibis paint

[@alankiitty]

@@MF99K example 1 of 2 noun ex·​am·​ple ig-ˈzam-pəl Synonyms of example 1 : one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated a good example 2 : a punishment inflicted on someone as a warning to others also : an individual so punished 3 : one that is representative of all of a group or type 4 : a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model 5 : an instance (such as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in

[@irlporygon-z6929]

you can record with OBS and change the frame rate to something very small to reduce the file size arbitrarily

[@MF99K]

@@irlporygon-z6929 I might try that then next time. I still think showing layers is a better option since it’s always there even if you don’t record everything you do

[@dorkenspache8353]

I think the only time you should be concerned with spotting AI artists is if its for an art contest specifically. Because then they are stealing slots in the contest from actual artists, and this is something we can see with the recent 6 winners of the Pokemon TCG art contest ALL being AI generated works, and all by the same person just under a different pseudonym. It's like if you commissioned an artist and submitted it to a contest under your name. That's scummy and wrong

[@dommyshan]

I was gonna comment about that. Oh wow I didn't know it was all from the same person. That's so damn horrible.

[@dorkenspache8353]

@@lightinthedusk Should've worded it better and said using it to scam people in general

[@Window4503]

@@dorkenspache8353So rather than just agree with that they said and reconsider your first statement, you’re deciding to criticize them for not phrasing things the way you personally would have, even though you failed to do it yourself the first time?

[@dorkenspache8353]

@@Window4503 I didn't criticize them though for phrasing. I criticized MYSELF

[@dorkenspache8353]

@@Window4503 Maybe if you read their comment fully and then read mine, you'd realize I was talking about my own comment and not theirs

[@arsonzartz]

i think AI is only cool when its working with liminal spaces, because liminal spaces are SUPPOSED to be weird as hell and creepy.

[@trueluscao]

also using AI to isolate elements in songs, works well when you want to make a fan-remix of a song or you're just tinkering with it on a DAW.

[@Ineverwannasleep]

I think it’s fun to fuck around with it, just don’t upload it and claim it as yours, nor sell it. That’s about it.

[@arsonzartz]

@@Ineverwannasleep same!

[@PIZZAdayisback]

I've tried making those with ai and they look horrible so it's better to just look around for a creepy place.

[@karll0424]

@@Ineverwannasleep AI is a tool, not an artist. It's fine to use it to help make things, not create new things entirely, because then it wouldn't be yours. It's like getting your teacher to do your work for you against asking them for help.

[@omnimaplez]

this is why most of my ocs are vibrant and complicated to fw ai generation, also i really recommend nightshade to poison your artwork just incase an ai algorythm tries to snatch it for their own

[@hatcher365]

to be clear: ai art being used as a refrence for actually art is different than tracing ai art or just using ai art

[@adriellightvale8140]

I am guilty of making AI art. It's nothing more than a toy to me.

[@YankJester]

thats how it should be used, a fun new technology to make images really fast. it is very entertaining and easy to use. the problem is when we try to act like its the new breakthrough for art or say that you made it, or use it for monetary gain. so have fun and prompt something like "sonic eating spaghetti" or smthing

[@neraslight4997]

That’s the correct way to use it yeah, I’m guilty of it too just to see what silly images I can make

[@devoteeofmediocrity821]

“Guilty” lol. AI art isn’t inherently bad. I use it for my own amusement, and nothing else. I don’t post it anywhere other than using it for a DND token or whatever. If this makes people upset, then they can cry harder.

[@shawermus]

​@@devoteeofmediocrity821the only bad thing about AI art as a toy is that artists get less commissions. While yes, artists work is higher quality, etc etc, some people just prefer a cheaper alternative. (On the other hand, just like piracy, usually if people didn't have that option they still wouldn't pay)

[@JPisnotaquasarnorapulsar]

@@YankJesterIs it possible to use as ideas for say a character but not as actual AI art?

[@seanatkinson8585]

The fact that these people are taking COMMISSIONS taking money that would have gone to REAL artists, makes my blood BOIL

[@infiniteX3]

Fr, especially has someone who wants to do commissions for my art

[@fat6776]

As a casual art consumer, I VERY MUCH care if something is produced through a human hand or generated from data. Machine generated images belong in the trash can as far as artistic merit and beauty is concerned

[@reibubbles2505]

THANK GOODNESS we have robots now to do our hard jobs like toilet cleaning, manure cleaning, street cleaning, and so on. We don't break our backs in construction work anymore. Everything is done by robots and automatized. The LAST THING we needed robots for was art. THANK GOODNESS NOW WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ART ANYMORE and have "AI" doing it for us! HURRAY! Now we can FINALLY hold our genitals in our hands and stare at clouds all day long for the rest of our lives! Curse the day this s**t was invented, cause it screwed up my hopes and dreams. I hate ey-aye with a passion!

[@JojoJere]

SO we should goback to hunting?

[@Fafr]

AI (or what we have that comes sort of close) is genuinely good really, and makes life much better. For example, search engines have been powered by AI for ages. The bad part is that humans decided that it should be used for literally everything and not what needs to use it. AI is a miracle. But humans that decide to misuse it and corpos that drive them to do that for money? Absolutely not

[@c3ki]

Using AI and claiming it’s your art is bad practice. Tracing other people’s art 1:1 without crediting them is rude. Tracing a pose is perfectly fine- I do it with 3D models to help me with depth, but I still then edit that trace and stylize it. Actually observing people and drawing things you can physically see is what will help you improve your art. I started just looking at official art for games and trying to copy it with observation, which helps teach how big one thing should be compared to another.

[@Triadow]

I dislike how ai art is appearing in Google image results and that people use it and call themselves artists. HOWEVER I also hate mediocre artists complaining about how it demoralizes them and how it's the end of the world and they feel like quitting because of ai getting more attention on social media (theres quite a few here in the comments). Do they realize how stupid they sound? I call them mediocre because no skillful and expirienced artist would ever suggest that 1. AI art is comparable to theirs in any way, and 2. They would quit doing what they love just because ai exists. I discourage new artists to post their art on social media. Nothing good will come of it and you will get stuck in a loop of following the crowd, caring about pointless social issues, all the while losing sight of why you wanted to start drawing in the first place.

[@jackCollin403]

THANK YOU you said what I wanted to say, real art will always be preferable to AI and no one wants to pay for mediocre work.

[@da_purple_lizard]

This is exactly what I've been saying since I learned about AI art. You can only be afraid of someone replacing you at your job if you know they'll do better at it.

[@Dictator_Crow]

Oh, you sweet, summer children. You really think doing a better job is all it takes when your "competition" is free and generates the product in seconds. I wish it worked like that in the real world

[@AZTECMAN]

My problem with this approach is you are trying to moderate bots with audience level human intervention. This results in attacking your fellow artists for their render skills. If a platform doesnt moderate bots, that is a good reason to find a new platform.

[@marcustv7287]

Yeah no shit remember when elon musk said when he removed likes? yeah elon we CAN TELL

[@sundowner2160]

My art is so ass that I don't worry at all about people calling it AI art/it getting stolen lmao

[@number1-willstetsonsimp]

one good use of ai is asking chatgpt to describe a cool looking scene for a gd level, then put its description into microsofts copilot designer thingy, then using it as inspiration for a gd level

[@madness_mania]

this does indeed ruin my creative flow as a artist, i sometimes stop drawing for weeks because i feel there is no point to create, i wish i was young an naive again to all these problems in the art world and i made art for myself:']

[@katrinatran3030]

Keep drawing my fellow artist! And don’t let anything stop you. Even if it seems impossible, humans will always find a way to get what they want within their limits. It’s okay to feel hopeless at times, take a break and keep pushing for a future you want. This might not sound like much but things like this will just keep happening and if we don’t do anything about it, then we would probably be in a worse position in the future. All I can say is push on and keep fighting, do whatever you can and draw whatever you want! Sorry if your mood doesn’t change or anything but I do believe that there’s a better future for us as long as we continue to be passionate. You’re doing great, keep going and remember to take care of yourself alright?

[@katrinatran3030]

Sorry if that’s cheesy, but that’s honestly what I want to say to you. ^^

[@Mewseeker]

I had fun with AI image generations and I can see it has limits. First is that it has from what I see tendency so be same-y. If you keep using the same prompts and command, the images you'll get will more or less look the same somewhat. This might be due to the data driven approach of AI image generation. Secondly is that AI image generation is only as good as the data you feed it. Want a pokémon? No problem! Want a digimon? Um probably maybe? Want one of those eldritch archangels from Cassette Beasts? Yeah, good luck with that! XD In fact, good luck with any obscure fringe stuff like Unlimited Saga, Copy Kitty, CrossCode and so on. I'm not even sure if AI was trained to do the Pop Team Epic drawing style! XD AI work with randomness but as a person you can use intent and knowledge to guide your input.

[@ZebraLuv]

I only do it for myself or my close friends and don't post anything online. Offline = immune to drama.

[@Window4503]

If the world has no artists, who will give people a voice when AI companies start censoring what can be generated? That’s the difference between AI and you. No one can tell you what to do with your art.

[@ChrisMason_01]

Algo comment, thanks for spreading awareness bro. Your content is super informative for new developments on art news. Keep up the great work on these🔥🤙🏽

[@Cottor_OwO]

I think getting inspiration from AI (not tracing) is okay, I do it myself sometimes. It’s basically a random idea generator.

[@mafiaboss3077]

Everyday I feel more and more like there's no point in me making art anymore. I don't know if making ai more specific to the prompt is going to happen soon but it's basically its biggest drawback currently. I still try to do my best to make things people will connect to though. Great video, I was surprised when I saw how small your channel was.

[@katrinatran3030]

You’re doing great! Keep it up okay? But remember to take care of yourself too and allow yourself to just, feel whatever emotions you’re going through, even if it’s hopelessness. I’m sure in the future artists will still find a way to continue their life of passion ^^

[@solarleaf2029]

Same thing that Katrina said, we will always find a way. After all, we are slowly finding more and more ways to fight back.

[@elcatrinc1996]

Nah, your art is very important and AI will never take away what you bring to this world (which is a creative soul) so you keep going, you'll see how this craze ends sooner or later

[@taquito5242]

ai will never take over what you do, don't worry

[@amethystimagination3332]

If nothing else AI doesn’t have the benefits to your mental health that actually making art does. Drawing, writing etc. are all good for your brain in a way ai can never be, because it doesn’t require the use of your brain at all.

[@SatiricalSheep]

i am never scared for if my art gets used for AI because my art style is so frickin silly and cartoony that i know it wouldn't be used as a reference for that AI junk, especially considering most AI "artists" only like the anime or semi-realistic style and not toooooooony

[@2sunn]

I've been drawing seriously for around 5 years now, As soon as I got to a place where im starting to get proud of my work, the constant disrespect that i see saying that AI "art" is better than the pieces of work that I see from other artists, is absolutely demoralizing.

[@Iisho]

Here's a thought I had though that kinda turned this around: the AI *has* to pull from something. So, the people who say "ai art is better" don't realize that the AI can only work from what has already been created. The amazing artwork that they think AI is has already been done by a real person. The only reason they say it's better is because the artist world could not possibly be filled with so much of the same type of artwork, we all have different tastes and styles. So, it is percieved as "better" because there is so much "more" of it, but the AI can only make what a real person has already done :P

[@Xirken]

Artstyles, Specific details and Brushes exist, which is what AI cannot copy

[@NeoEvanA.R.T]

​@@XirkenIf you draw enough in those styles, the ai will eventually "learn" it.

[@moriyamakyon1067]

kinda yeah and kinda not, ai cant make consistent results, like one of 80 will be great but at the same time you cant ever repeat that great one

[@OfficialToxicCat]

It’s sad to see the AI art drama get so bad to the point innocent artists are being caught in the crossfire and being accused of using AI. You can’t even draw good art anymore without being accused of using AI. Which is why I got into a habit of recording the Timelapse’s on my drawings.

[@that_guy1211]

as a casual, i couldn't care less

[@chyandinii]

_Overcooked 2_ footage, nice. Good to know online multiplayer is still as chaotic

[@dragonscale46]

As an overcooked player I was in a slight amount of pain watching the present not doing dishes when he had nothing else to do.

[@NaturedSwisha]

Ai Art isn’t art, Unless your Markus from Detroit: Become human

[@SillyySunny]

I’ve been drawing ever since I was 5, it’s been my passion for years, sometimes I imagine myself telling younger me there’s a machine that can do everything for you and how it replaces you, and I just imagine how crushed she would look that everything she loves would go to nothing. Which is just me, I don’t have to imagine telling my younger self that bc it’s literally just me now hearing abt everything ai.

[@xzizy]

I've honestly done something similar with art breeder, where I've drawn from AI art. :v I never claimed it as my own tho so there was a distinction

[@scobkeo]

if someone uses ai art just draw them pregnant

[@PIZZAdayisback]

What if the account is an Ai though?

[@TheLowIntelligence]

​@@PIZZAdayisback then draw the ai pregnant, it's that simple

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@TheLowIntelligence how do you draw lines of code pregnant in that case?

[@spxcedustt]

@@PIZZAdayisbackdraw the logo they use pregnant maybe

[@PIZZAdayisback]

@@spxcedustt no, like, a literal block of code. How?

[@gadlygamer]

ngl. i dont mind if they drew over an Ai image at least the thing they did was done with the pen tool and not just an Ai image tracing an Ai image > using just raw Ai

[@cyricfenn]

ive also found that when it comes to furry art, the fur seems to have a shine like skin would, so it just looks really weird

[@fedethegreat88]

Penguin0 ass title 🪦

[@bvghosts]

Ai is so bad at anatomy and lighting, what kind of excuse is ‘To help me out with parts i struggle with’ 💀 anyone with a brain will study from real life or photo references of real people and not what a machine thinks a person looks like.

[@aiuwapi]

13:40 i would actually disagree with this, think it's better if they trace off ai stuff than other people's drawings, simply for the sake of not directly harming and stealing from illustrators

[@tyrawr4394]

If you're trying to learn by tracing, AI is not the way. AI trains on 2d images through binary code, that's why they have to use billions of images to train on since they have to use algorithms and identify patterns to create art. This is unlike human artist which use less images for training since instead of understanding through algorithms, patterns and code, we train by understand by understand perspective, form, gesture, lighting. Even then, AI art makes a lot of art mistakes such as having multiple suns so tracing AI art might introduce bad habits.

[@tyrawr4394]

But, if you're talking about tracing from a commercial point of view and not from a training point of view, then maybe tracing AI is less harming. Although I do doubt that, because if you trace an original artpiece, it is easily detected and you will be called out for it so it's unlikely that you will replace anyone's jobs or commission for the long term, since you're hurting your image. If you trace AI art though, then yes you're not copying from any 1 person directly, but since you are less likely to be detected, it means you're likely replacing someone else's job.

[@ewellynn122]

In some drawing programs there are countless references of literally anything, if I need something to trace because I'm not sure how it should look like, then I usually use those, because they where literally created for this... also if I can't find a reference of something, I just look up photos and use those, the general form can be traced anyways. Tracing AI is bad, because AI makes worse mistakes than you would make on your own.

[@Frankifier3000]

Since ai learns off of artists, it’s technically still stealing, i guess. Besides, ai doesn’t always get things right

[@lalathellama3793]

Ai isnt a reliable source to trace since it is known for it errors. Tracing can useful tool for learning if for a beginner or learning a new skill. That’s how most artist begin, trying to copy their favorite image. As long you dont post it or specifically mention you were using it as learning and improving your skills as an artist. It is best to trace from real art as long you are saying it is for learning purposes and mention and credit the artist in the post. Tracing is only bad when you pass it off as your own and profit from it.

[@neraslight4997]

I think the only valid thing to do with ai art with tracing imo (and a lot of people) is to just take the fucked up images and make them your own, but don’t be a shitty person and scam people by giving them just the shitty prompted “art”, I’ve done this a couple of times with headshots of ai art to make my own, but I’ve always discarded the rest of the image lol.

[@lalathellama3793]

That’s called redrawing, not really tracing but very similar. Its a good way to practice and see your skills as an artist when you redraw from your past work or in this case AI art

[@neraslight4997]

@@lalathellama3793 Yeah

[@giieko6361]

What is even the end goal for these AI “artists”? Creating a whole “career” on a false pretense, they either lie for months or years about their “skill”; or shamelessly admit that they use AI, crucifying themselves in front of real artists and locking themselves into niche AI art circles. It’s so sad that they’ve completely missed the point of real art.

[@DuhNoU]

career? what career? i doubt these people actually make most of their cash from these, they probably do this as a side hustle next to their real job and perhaps for a twisted hobby, (to get complimented and to have fame). after they get sniffed out, they just burn the burner account and show up somewhere else under another burner account

[@Sailflish]

That sweet sweet follower number going up

[@Coffeepanda294]

What's even the end goal for these "photographers"? Creating a whole "career" on a false pretense, where they lie for months or years about their "skills"; or shamelessly admit they use cameras, crucifying themselves in front of real artists and locking themselves into niche photography art circles. It's so sad we've completely missed the point of real art.

[@Coffeepanda294]

@@DuhNoU "i doubt these people actually make most of their cash from these, they probably do this as a side hustle next to their real job and perhaps for a twisted hobby" You realize this already describes a hell of a lot of existing artists, right?

[@DuhNoU]

@@Coffeepanda294 nah there are lots that try to make most of their cash from doing art alone since it takes time, as for the enjoyment of fame, i think it becomes evil when someone enjoys being complimented for something they lied about

[@saviogustavi]

In my proffesional opinion using ai art as reference is actual fair and square but tracing the ai art is wrong But its just my opinion mate

[@apersonontheinternet8354]

That's valid. Using what AI mashes together and calling it art is the issue, but I use AI all the time basically as a 'proof of concept' phase to put thoughts to images and then use them as references to make actual art. Don't see any issues there imo

[@TheMostIronicOfSilvers]

I believe that using this AI as a “tool” for lineart curbs the growth and progression you go through as an artist.

[@jazzombi9680]

i just add their lil stick figure body yanno? Like i just draw the figure drawing over the reference pose? and like the line for hip position if i even use a reference for a pose lmao. i know annatomy but i got carple tunnle and other stuff so i just kinda try to brease through the beggining part so i have more energy and less pain on the details and render. Theres tons of free websites that give u options for body type and u get a 3d figure you can position them anyway u want to study same with websites that show random images of people so you can practice stranger positions or movment in your figure studdies!

[@jaxe8321]

I use AI art but I will never claim I drew it myself and I'll admit my profile pic is AI art.

[@TheRedMonke43]

Ai art should just be its own seperate community

[@user-e7h9f]

but it is.

[@tastytae]

good video

[@romans8752]

if i could remove anything with huge amounts of power the first thing i would delete would be generative AI

[@jayemover_16]

I only care if it's AI if it's a good character design I can pay an actual artist to make something nice with it. Mostly VTubing models and outfits for a character. That way, I'm taking something an AI smashed together which has no repercussions.

[@heavy0119]

hard to swallow pills: ai traced art is still art because a person drew it

[@qualivia]

He/She could have just used the timelaspe that hides the traced object.....they couldn't even be bothered to make the lie believable....

[@nightthespacedragon6260]

"only artist care about the ai situation" Okay. But would you pay for a movie that's made by ai with awfulest plot and inconcistent art? Art surrounds you in everything. From advertisement and shirts to a museum or movies Plus, issue is not in ai itself Issue is in stolen art and how people use it without disclosing the ai factor

[@yurimessano9491]

As someone who has ALWAYS used art to be my only way of my true self to shine it pisses me the fuck off knowing how art can be dogged on like this (especially now as i just started posting my stuff online and you said people who don't even know the first thing about art are what the algorithm fucking pushes)

[@soldiergaming3127]

as a wise man once said: "Art is made to disturb the undisturbed, and undisturb the disturbed" 🔥🔥

[@syrathdouglas1244]

Is art based from ai images ok? Like, I saw a post years ago and one part looked like a radiodont squid and now I want to draw a Paleozoic kraken based on things like anomalocaris.

[@stelvu]

i personally believe so!! if its super similar, i believe it should be disclosed that it was inspired by an ai source!!

[@dollzo]

Why wouldn't it be?

[@ChocolateChipcookiie]

We do NOT fw generative Image bots New subscriber btw

[@Biscuit_gamer34]

As a newer artist I need some reassurance and be shown what’s right and wrong.

[@Commentin2Day]

Wtf do ppl call it „art“ Art is made by a creature, not a computer

[@FvnnyBeanz]

Fr it’s like putting money into a soda machine, then saying you created the soda that comes out

[@Commentin2Day]

@@FvnnyBeanz True lol

[@coreforce9872]

no matter how bad you are at art, you will always be better than an ai artist

[@halfsine]

i can barely draw a stickman 😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@coreforce9872]

That’s great, you’re doing much better than writing a sentence and clicking a button.

[@Efandr]

​@halfsine keep up the good work, bro

[@greenpumpkin6760]

@@halfsinecooking better than ai frfr

[@SteveTheNam]

AI is in a superposition of being a placeholder and real art at the same time Edit: -According to AI bro

[@thecreatureunderyourb3d]

I can tell if it’s ai by the coloring. Its like anime but if the first 3 scenes took a year to make to cover every base color.

[@Hatsune-Miku_Fan]

The fact that they have more followers than real artists like me hurts my heart

[@partypooper2659]

We went from people tracing to ai "art"

[@someythespider]

this is an amazing video dude, i expected this to be from an account with at least 500k, good luck on ur yt journey!

[@DazlMusic]

I honestly think AI is okay for inspiration and concept and i use it a lot. Just throw whatever you wanna make as the prompt and generate like 6 images. I draw the line when you're using it DIRECTLY in your pieces

[@roxassora2706]

Yeah. I use it for shits and giggles

[@Aswoop9000]

I don't know what the big deal with ai if you don't like it ignore it

[@user-e7h9f]

THIS SO MUCH THIS

[@PatchPunkim]

No?

[@mcppcm2607]

I hate ai because it's useless

[@user-e7h9f]

it has a use albeit

[@Monkeymario.]

i wrote this comment before i listened

[@cusi9854]

This is going to be a never ending race, people will point out AI art errors such as hands with too many fingers, the AI "artists" will work to fix those errors, that will lead for people to find new ways to point at the AI evidence wuch will also be fixed, creating a cycle that will continue to the point of insanity

[@itzblu.ytgacha]

I think it should be obligatory to say ai “”””art”””” instead of just art

[@AlexiosTheSixth]

I just call them AI generated images

[@uncommonusername]

I think AI can be helpful (I like games that utilize AI like that one vampire game I forgot thr name but) but the generative image stuff is bs in my opinion

[@Theking-vx6zp]

4:33 This reminds me of those minecraft videos where the person would just place like 6 blocks on a block art that was blatantly made automatically and pretend that they made the whole thing by hand.

[@C0pium_]

I might get hate for this but what is wrong with tracing AI art? I mean we live in a world where AI steals your job as an artist so why don't artists train on AI to beat AI? Yes AI is our enemy but we'll have to make use of it anyway since whether you like it or not AI exists now and it will keep on growing and getting closer to achieve 'perfect' art, so one efficient way to actually progress would be to take advantage of the speed and practicability of AI generation and mix it with human creativity and natural artistic sense to grow further and most importantly faster today. And trust me, if you think that tracing art is an easy task or makes you a bad artist, then go on and try to trace it yourself, and let's see about that. And I say this as an artist myself, anyone who views tracing AI art as a 'sin' might actually not be ready to face tomorrow.

[@clown_car0usel]

i think it’s the fact that ai art isn’t even that useful for tracing. im all for tracing for practice and not posting that’s fine as long as it’s being done to improve art. ai art is useful for getting exact poses but there are also apps or models that are free to use or look up that make it inferior. also pinterest exists and is honestly one of the artists best friends. also i dont believe ai is going to make it that far. it’s eventually going to cannibalize itself and will never really outwork artists because you know- we’re actually human and care about what we create and without us these machines would have nothing to steal from. it’s also definitely a fad and will die out bc it’s uninteresting and if everyone can make it why would they pay ai bros to make something for them when they can just make it themselves?? also glad they exist bc they take those annoying clients away from us real artists 🙏 just my thoughts on it as an artist tho.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

You'd think showing the process would be enough but remember the artist who dod that but Reddit still claimed their work was AI simply because they deemed it as 'too good'. There was also another instance of an artist who may or may not have actually used AI for a really generic character design and 'showed their process' but it was something they could have edited to create. Honestly, with this whole AI thing.... I'm sorr of meh because all the AI work is starting to look samey as fuck not because 'a machine made it' but because they're sticking to one style that essentially is the opposite of the flat corporate art people hate, except this time it's over rendered wanna be Disney anime buttbaby style that looks template made and the reason why I think a lot of artists SHOULDN'T worry because it's the most generic 'competion' you're up against in a world where people want variety in styles, not just stuff they claim looks 'fancy'. If anything one thing you can do, especially since AI images are free to use, redraw that shit in your style not just to improve your work but just to see how samey AI art has gotten in such a short time thanks in part to those free to use sites. AI can only replicate what it is given to a certain point. A person can make more choices on things to do and exaggerate which is where the creativity is limitless with human artists. Don't forget that when you feel like quit. Being a defeatist won't get you anywhere but I keep seeing that sort of attitude spreading like the plague and not just in art communities.

[@SpookyPancakes]

Moist critical reference?

[@ASHFUMO]

I'm probably a workaholic since my artwork takes nearly an hour to draw.

[@rynsart]

8:45 this mentality is problematic. if i got a lot of people saying my art was ai, I wouldn't have any time lapse's to show to them. I've tried using time lapses before but it takes up too much storage space on my computer, the only proof that i would have is screenshots. I wouldn't say my art looks like ai since it has a traditional type of look to it, but if i get popular one day and people start saying my art is ai I'm basically screwed. I dont think its fair to go and claim someone's art is ai and demanding proof for it. Its extremely toxic and it doesn't do any good. Sure the guy in the video is clearly tracing ai but what if one day a beginner artist or intermediate got called out for using ai when their art isn't actually ai? What if they only have wip screenshots like i do? how is that not good enough?

[@warofworlds]

Ai is just the stolen art and content pushed out into baloney like slop

[@milobusterz3280]

Although I am an artist, I do quite like making ai stuff, but don’t use it much for my drawings. I do sometimes like to redraw stuff I get from ai though that I’m bored lol. But people that try to pass off stuff generated by ai as “art” (without redrawing it like I do or smth,) annoy me so much.

[@blanana_m]

I feel like AI art kinda proves the existance of a human soul to me An AI can make a piece just like one made by a human but it misses something that I can't really describe with words It can try to capture the image itself but not the human behind it

[@AntonioMunguambe-mv6od]

I made a cartoon and posted on facebook, with the pricing for those who were interested in having a cartoon of themselves, and goddamn! after months of practice, people are commenting that I'm using AI. Ai makes people not to know whether we are using Ai or not. It sucks to be arguing all the time!

[@W01fy_DB]

there was a person who kept arguing with me about ai generated images 'art', and they said "I tried drawing for two years and didn't get good!" like damn, sorry, but 2 years is NOTHING. 2 years is one grain of SAND compared to how long it takes to start even decently liking your art. I've been doing it for about my entire life, and only some years ago did I start getting good enough to like it. Even now I still change my style because the old one wasn't good enough. I don't have an issue with ai 'art' itself, but its when people start claiming THEY drew it, that it is THEIR art. Idfc if you sell it, it's the person buying that shit's fault, but no WAY can you claim that you DREW what an ai stole. Sure, call yourself a writer for putting in a detailed prompt, but you are NOT a digital painter NOR a traditional painter.

[@ThatFlamingFroggo]

I don't believe that there is no point in calling it out, when there are clear signs of it. However, it's important to not obsess over any one tell tale sign as certain 'inconsistencies' are also possible for actual artists to create vs generated crap. I think giving the explanation to why you may think something is likely ai generated shlop, helps out other artists and folks who genuinely want to learn how to spot it in the wild. It isn't so much to change minds but to help folks who just may need some examples to figure it out. Also, Twitter is a hellscape in general thanks to musky wusky, so. Not surprising that it is flooded with generated shlop.

[@FlameBinder55]

I think AI should be use as a tool instead of an end all, be all. In Lord of the Rings, that orc army? Yeah, all of that is AI generated, AI processing thousands of orc models to look like an actual army. But even then it takes man power to actually code in that AI and using many MANY animations to teach the AI on how an orc army can charge.

[@the_gee_man]

Personally, I think Generative AI is a sort of Grey Area. On one hand, it's useful for making memes and shitposts. On the other hand, lazy techbros can use it to make a quick buck on youtube or Gain Clout from grandmas on facebook and shit.

[@ThatRandomGamer_Main]

A.I. art aka lazyness

[@muzzledbee6952]

its only bad if they are claiming the ai generated "art" images are their own and revolutionary. if the generated stuff is only for inspiration and practice (tracing can count as practice if you learn from it) then i think its no big deal.

[@the_espresso-depresso5058]

you know, back when photographs were invented artists once thought that photography was the end for art but it wasn't and this may be different but the outcome will be most likely the same

[@FelixT-zb9qw]

AI images are soooo obvious, they think everything has a smooth texture so look for that, the hands are messed up unless the AI is mostly trained, actual pictures don’t have smooooth concrete walls, humans mostly don’t have the smoothest skin in every body part. That’s my advice here

[@johannesviljoen9656]

the only time tracing is chill imo is when someone makes a modification of a meme format for a specific fandom, thats fun!

[@klaus.sfc01official30]

Imagine being proud about entering a few words to let a computer generate an image for you because you cannot draw.

[@SoulXiOfficial]

It's like exploits

[@NoNo-xh7ru]

I think a lot about the fact that if AI reaches a point where it can perfectly replicate human art we will have no idea when that line was crossed. We won’t even know it’s happened for potentially months. Hell, it’s possible it already happened and the people getting caught are just sloppy.

[@thatdudewiththeplant]

Your production quality is amazing dude. How do you only have 1.34k subs?

[@ambermay7032]

Go back 25+ years to the start of digital art and you will find all of the traditional artists saying the exact same thing about digital art that is now being said about AI art. It's hypocritical and speaks of an entitled view that being an artist makes you the authority on what art is. Most of you have grown up with digital art being a respected medium and never went through the hate those of us who first started it did (which is exactly the same hate as AI art is getting). You all need to get a grip and stop being so elitist and threatened. The only problem artists should have with AI art is it's training material theft. That should be licensed, not stolen.

[@carlitosmalzoni]

(Loud incorrect buzzer)

[@YceSzmiff]

I feel like there is a difference between those two. Digital art relies heavily on stuff used in traditional art too. Sketching, posing, anatomy, coloring, composition, almost all of it. The main thing digital art changes is the easier undo of a recent line or faster and more efficient coloring, which, unlike AI, doesnt take away creativity. If we look at AI, the 'artist' doesnt need to know anatomy, sketching, posing, color theory, composition techniques, whatever. All of that stuff that both digital and traditional art relies on is just magically done for you with AI. It doesn't make the boring tasks (like flat coloring and erasing in traditional->digital) easier, like most inventions do, it instead takes away the skill and creativity from it. I'm genuinely curious about your (and others') views on this because I've seen split opinions, so I'd love to keep discussing in a friendly way

[@ZackShark1]

Digital art is made by people, AI is not

[@thespacedinos4037]

ai should only be used to generate images of elmo in the glob

[@mr.shadow8812]

Ama say it how I see it, ai art is art, is just not human art. Ai cant understand how we see the world in the same way a dog or snake wouldnt but even worse since it lacks self awerness. AI just understands our patterns snd tries to replicate them without even knowing or understating their meaning. Now using stolen art is just wrong nonetheless. AI art is only fine if its trained with art from permission from the original artists and if those who use it add the disclaim that it is made using AI.