Huiyao Wang on Chinese democracy, working with Trump, Uighur persecution & Taiwanese unification

[@kenhiew2814]

By reading all the negative comments, I can see that many westerners not only don’t understand China, but also have big misunderstanding on China.

[@i-bizlearning]

They are living in a bubble, without realising how far China and Chinese people have progressed.

[@donaldjoseph3903]

Agreed. Chinese people can do no wrong. Only American people can do wrong..

[@MissTreefrogs]

Sickening. I am glad you asked him difficult questions and hope you will quickly invite a Uyghur camp survivor (or someone who can safely speak on their behalf) to reflect a different perspective.

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

@@MissTreefrogs, Good Girl! 👌 Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱

[@liamcopich9239]

or anyone from the middle east to reflect a perspective on america

[@cooper1819]

Yes just go to the Uyghur lands in Xinjiang like many foreign tourists, KZbinrs and see for yourself… where are the bad treatment and you see happy people there. Yes please see for yourself.

[@henryyong5974]

R u a Uygur? If not shut up

[@ianchan2006]

@@cooper1819 They are all hired by CCP or threatened. People there can't even leave their provinces. I know because I am a Chinese. I have friends teaching in those area.

[@paldenronaldo5136]

So called Chinese scholar/ intellectual always sound like reading the People's Daily with a different voice and face.

[@jasonquinn4516]

Why did the Oxford Union even bother with this guy? Nothing interesting learned here and no unique perspective is offered by this guest. Just CCP talking points and copious amounts of spin being applied. Truly an exercise in nonsense.

[@ruffryder13]

Because their president is an absolute failure.

[@cooper1819]

Agreed. This guy came with totally unprepared. Were the questions not shared prior? He did not even provide reasons or evidence or explanations in proper sentences, like was totally ambushed.

[@charlizet4314]

On the contrary, he gave very good explanation. China does not have western style election process but It has selection process - any government officials need to pass not only paper exams but also need to prove that they performs in their job before they can be promoted from village head, county, province and into central government. This system lifted millions out of poverty. If referendum is to be hold on Taiwan, it needs to be to be both mainland and Taiwan. (The last point needs to be understand from the history standpoint).

[@jpgabarra13]

What a joke! There's not the slightest trace of democracy in China. Hard to see this guy trying to convince otherwise.

[@cengle_s]

brother, you're probably some basement dwelling incel from brazil who has never left minas gerais. quit pretending you're a world-traveler with life experience in china.

[@kzakary]

Is this guy for real? Please!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 i lived in Beijing from 96 to 2002 and this guy is full of it, Chinese nationalism nothing less

[@paulmatters2641]

So you lived there 23 years ago . Impressive.

[@cooper1819]

Well, have you went back lately in last few years? Any differences that you can observe?

[@kzakary]

@cooper1819 yes dictatorship of XiJinPing have you ever lived there?

[@kzakary]

@@cooper1819 yes xi jin ping

[@kzakary]

@paulmatters2641 thank you i was 27 in 96, i loved it but not sure i'd want to live there now

[@user-bw6cc7js6h]

Whats the point of asking him, or for that matter, any chinese national for their opinions on the CCP? They cant speak out on the party.

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

"Chinese democracy" is Taiwan.

[@johnnyreggae969]

Chinese democracy lol

[@JagadguruSvamiVegananda]

🐟 22. ILLEGITIMATE GOVERNANCES: SOCIALISM (and its more extreme form, communism) is intrinsically evil, because it is based on the ideology of social and economic egalitarianism, which is both a theoretical and a practical impossibility. Equality exists solely in abstract concepts such as mathematics and arguably in the sub-atomic realm. Many proponents of socialism argue that it is purely an economic system and therefore independent of any particular form of governance. However, it is inconceivable that socialism/communism could be implemented on a nationwide scale without any form of government intervention. If a relatively small number of persons wish to unite in order to form a commune or worker-cooperative, that is their prerogative, but it could never work in a country with a large population, because there will always exist entrepreneurs desirous of engaging in wealth-building enterprises. Even a musician who composes a hit tune wants his song to succeed and earn him inordinate wealth. Socialism reduces individual citizens to utilities, who, in practice, are used to support the ruling elite, who are invariably despotic scoundrels, and very far from ideal leaders (i.e. compassionate and righteous monarchs). Those citizens who display talent in business or the arts are either oppressed, or their gifts are coercively utilized by the corrupt state. Despite purporting to be a fair and equitable system of wealth distribution, those in leadership positions seem to live a far more luxurious lifestyle than the mass of menial workers. Wealth is effectively stolen from the rich. Most destructively, virtuous and holy teachings (“dharma”, in Sanskrit) are repressed by the irreligious and ILLEGITIMATE “government”. The argument that some form of government WELFARE programme is essential to aid those who are unable to financially-support themselves for reasons beyond their control, is fallacious. A righteous ruler (i.e. a saintly monarch) will ensure the welfare of each and every citizen by encouraging private welfare. There is no need for a king to extort money from his subjects in order to feed and clothe the impoverished. Of course, in the highly-unlikely event that civilians are unwilling to help a person in dire straits, the king would step-in to assist that person, as one would expect from a patriarch (father of his people). The head of any nation ought to be the penultimate patriarch, not a selfish buffoon. DEMOCRACY is almost as evil, because, just as the rabble favoured the murderous Barabbas over the good King Jesus, the ignorant masses will overwhelmingly vote for the candidate which promises to fulfil their inane desires, rather than one which will enforce the law, and promote a wholesome and just society. Read Chapter 12 for the most authoritative and concise exegesis of law, morality, and ethics, currently available. Even in the miraculous scenario where the vast majority of the population are holy and righteous citizens, it is still immoral for them to vote for a seemingly-righteous leader. This is because that leader will not be, by definition, a king. As clearly and logically explicated in the previous chapter of this Holy Scripture, MONARCHY is the only lawful form of governance. If an elected ruler is truly righteous, he will not be able to condone the fact that the citizens are paying him to perform a job (which is a working-class role), and that an inordinate amount of time, money and resources are being wasted on political campaigning. Furthermore, an actual ruler does not wimpishly pander to voters - he takes power by (divinely-mandated) force, as one would expect from the penultimate alpha-male in society (the ultimate alpha-male being a priest). The thought of children voting for who will be their parents or teachers, would seem utterly RIDICULOUS to the average person, yet most believe that they are qualified to choose their own ruler - they are most assuredly not. Just as a typical child fails to understand that a piece of sweet, juicy, healthy, delicious fruit is more beneficial for them than a cone of pus-infested, fattening, diabetes-inducing ice-cream, so too can the uneducated proletariat not understand that they are unqualified to choose their own leader, even after it is logically explained to them (as it is in this chapter, as well as in the previous chapter). And by “uneducated”, it is simply meant that they are misguided in the realities of life and in righteous living (“dharma”, in Sanskrit), not in facts and figures or in technical training. Intelligence doesn't necessarily correlate to wisdom. No socialist or democratic government will educate its citizens sufficiently well that the citizens have the knowledge of how to usurp their rule. To put it frankly, democracy is rule by the “lowest common denominator”. It should be obvious that ANARCHY can never ever succeed, because even the smallest possible social unit (the nuclear family) requires a dominator. Any family will fall-apart without a strict male household head. In fact, without the husband/father, there is no family, by definition. The English noun “husband” comes from the Old Norse word “hûsbôndi”, meaning “master of the house”. The same paradigm applies to the extended family, which depends on a strong patriarchal figure (customarily, the eldest or most senior male). Likewise with clans, tribes, villages, towns, cities, and nations or countries. Unfortunately, there are many otherwise-intelligent persons who honestly believe that an ENTIRE country can smoothly run without a leader in place. Any sane person can easily understand that even a nuclear family is unable to function properly without a head of the house, what to speak of a populous nation. The reason for anarchists' distrust of any kind of government is due to the corrupt nature of democratic governments, and the adulteration of the monarchy in recent centuries. However, if anarchists were to understand that most all so-called “kings/queens” in recent centuries were not even close to being true monarchs, they may change their stance on that inane “system”. Most of the problems in human society are directly or indirectly attributable to this relatively modern phenomenon (non-monarchies), since it is the government’s role and sacred DUTY to enforce the law (see Chapter 12), and non-monarchical governments are themselves unlawful. One of the many sinister characteristics of democracy, socialism, and other evil forms of governance, is the desire for their so-called “leaders” to control, or at least influence, the private lives of every single citizen (hence the term “Nanny State”). For example, in the wicked, decadent nations in which this holy scripture was composed, The Philippine Islands and The Southland (or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue), the DEMONIC governments try, and largely succeed, in controlling the rights of parents to properly raise, discipline and punish their children according to their own morals, compulsory vaccination of infants, enforcing feminist ideology, limiting legitimate powers an employer has over his servants, subsidizing animal agriculture, persecuting religious leaders (even to imprisonment and death, believe it or not. Personally, I have been jailed thrice for executing God’s perfect and pure will), and even trying to negatively influence what people eat and wear. Not that a government shouldn’t control what its citizens wear in public, but it should ensure that they are MODESTLY dressed, according to the guidelines outlined in Chapter 28, which is hardly the case in Australia, the Philippines, and similar nations. At least ninety-nine per cent of Filipinas, for instance, are transvestinal, despite Philippines pretending to be a religious nation. Cont...

[@johnnyreggae969]

@ That is a ridiculously long statement , remember on platforms like KZbin you have to be more succinct No way is anybody going to read it .

[@generalyapwt]

@@JagadguruSvamiVegananda good stuff. Coarse it be better if you wer more consice,but regardless, significance is lost in translation

[@generalyapwt]

@@johnnyreggae969 i did. Your choice if you decide to reject knowledge based on 'aesthetics'. Coarse, being more consice is still great

[@johnnyreggae969]

@ I don’t understand what you are saying Maybe you could start again

[@TheVeganVicar]

So nice of China to care so much about another country... 🙄

[@SoGood5137]

Observe his body language while answering the questions, that will indicate how sincere the answers are.

[@robintan502]

What the dude is saying is China is held up and operated by a very meritocratic selection of technocrats, which then comes together to be "democratically" consultative to guide national policies. I think what the dude is implying it is a government system from the people, by the people, for the people, XJP included, he served as one of these many technocrats before reaching his position at the top of this system.

[@canopyeffect]

Oxymoron

[@henryyong5974]

Wonder where n how this guy got his education. Or is this an example of topical end product of ccp education .

[@fuckbankers]

Thank you, China, for great green technology.

[@liaaron4905]

So disappinted to see the comments of viewers from your channel, it is showed how little they know about History and China's realities, for those who talked about Uyghurs, I would bet that they have never been to Xinjiang by themselve, they might got this distorted view from internet, the wrong perceptions or foolish ideas are not even from themselve! What a shame!

[@Joshs8707]

Your English sounds chinese, why so defensive when the realities speak for themselves, why do I need to visit Xinjiang when there are real people fleeing out there recounting their imprisonment? Delulu Democracy 😂

[@liaaron4905]

@@Joshs8707 I appreciate your feedback, but I believe there may have been a misunderstanding. My comments were based on my personal experience living in Xinjiang for ten years until 2022. If there’s a specific aspect you’d like to discuss, I’d be happy to engage in a respectful conversation grounded in facts and data. It’s important to share perspectives without jumping to conclusions.

[@Joshs8707]

@@liaaron4905Well, let’s assume you’re telling the truth - that you have lived there for a decade - what intrigues me about your experience is 1. are you Uyghur by ethinicity? 2. How would you and ccp explain away the accounts by Uyghurs, who escaped and whose family members had been persecuted in concentration camps that, despite your stay in the region, could have secretly existed? This is not conspiratorial construct on my part because that the interviews of escaped Uyghurs are open and accessible on the internet, and that ccp has a well-established notoriety of neutralizing the other chinese ethnic minorities. So the incentive of building those camps are loud and clear. I lived in china through my entire childhood before my family moved to the states, which lends me credibility that’s rooted in my experience through both the elementary education I had and every little trifle as a whole. Xi’s ascending to power has since then coerced and creeped its way in societies all these lies, communist and nationalist propaganda, and completely distorted ideologies of western democracy, owing their entirety to Xi the dictator. It astounds every time how any sane human being with common sense and conscience could defend him so vehemently, as well as the deeds they have done to their own people, no less?

[@Joshs8707]

@ liaaron4905 Let’s assume you have been living there for a decade as you say, Im intrigued as to how would you and ccp explain away the accounts by Uyghurs, who escaped and whose family members had been persecuted in concentration camps that, despite your stay in the region, could have secretly existed? This is not conspiratorial construct on my part because that the interviews of escaped Uyghurs are open and accessible on the internet, and that ccp has a well-established notoriety of neutralizing the other chinese ethnic minorities. So the incentive of building those camps are loud and clear. I lived in china through my entire childhood before my family moved to the states, which lends me credibility that’s rooted in my experience through both the elementary education I had and every little trifle as a whole. Xi’s ascending to power has since then coerced and creeped its way in societies all these lies, communist and nationalist propaganda, and completely distorted ideologies of western democracy, owing their entirety to Xi the dictator. It astounds me every time how any sane human being with common sense and conscience could defend him so vehemently, as well as the deeds they have done to their own people, no less?

[@liaaron4905]

@@Joshs8707 Your reply seems quite narrow-minded, and it reflects a viewpoint heavily influenced by the local media. My suggestion is simple: go there yourself and talk to the local people. Instead of relying on media narratives, seek out the facts and the truth firsthand. It's that straightforward.

[@Joshs8707]

This chinese guy’s mouth is splitting not just countless “ums” but also word salad with little sense made.

[@grapeshott]

The referendum answer thing is funny.

[@Joshs8707]

@liaaron Your English sounds chinese, why so defensive when the realities speak for themselves, why do I need to visit Xinjiang when there are real people fleeing out there recounting their imprisonment? Delulu Democracy 😂

[@fuckbankers]

Starmer says that there is no genocide in Gaza.

[@Adrian-hq5jk]

Some politely lame questions here. Is the adjudicator merely naive?

[@Joshs8707]

@ liaaron4905 Let’s assume you have been living there for a decade as you say, Im intrigued as to how would you and ccp explain away the accounts by Uyghurs, who escaped and whose family members had been persecuted in concentration camps that, despite your stay in the region, could have secretly existed? This is not conspiratorial construct on my part because that the interviews of escaped Uyghurs are open and accessible on the internet, and that ccp has a well-established notoriety of neutralizing the other chinese ethnic minorities. So the incentive of building those camps are loud and clear. I lived in china through my entire childhood before my family moved to the states, which lends me credibility that’s rooted in my experience through both the elementary education I had and every little trifle as a whole. Xi’s ascending to power has since then coerced and creeped its way in societies all these lies, communist and nationalist propaganda, and completely distorted ideologies of western democracy, owing their entirety to Xi the dictator. It astounds me every time how any sane human being with common sense and conscience could defend him so vehemently, as well as the deeds they have done to their own people, no less?

[@GunterSwoboda]

Chinese Democracy? An oxymoron.

[@NoNameToHave]

Nonsense😂

[@taidelek9994]

Tibet seems a bigger headache to china .

[@fuckbankers]

Republic of China.

[@BB-cf9gx]

Democracy in Taiwan is Democracy with Chinese characteristics.

[@jyy9624]

JSA interview

[@alexalex3618]

Free Tibet ❤ Free Uyghur❤Free Mongol ❤❤❤❤Free Manchuria ❤❤❤❤

[@kronicturbo8327]

😂😂

[@henryyong5974]

Free sin chiang

[@kenhiew2814]

Free Gaza, free the Palestinians!

[@i-bizlearning]

Your dreams already came true. Tibetans are freed from slavery, Uyghurs are freed from terrorism, Mongols are free from poverty and Manchurians are freed from Japanese occupation. All due to the effort of the Chinese Government

[@cooper1819]

Very disappoint with this Huiyao Wang, who came totally unprepared. Surely the Oxford Union will ask about democracy & so-called Xinjiang genocide. He should have do some homework, at least be prepared like others who come to represent their country & society. BTW, communism was supposed to be form of Western democracy, just at workers and community levels, and not the "liberal democracy". The Chinese added meritocracy to the process. As for Xinjiang, Uighur genocide is obviously not true with many international organizations saying is using words too loosely. No muslim state, middle east, south east Asia seems to criticize but instead praise how China handle their Muslim terrorists. Maybe instead UK could learn from China to help their problems with the own Muslim population.

[@henryyong5974]

What's this guy about?

[@cooper1819]

@@henryyong5974 Wang is basically a trade & economics advisor / specialist. Guess he was expecting to discuss on trade war, Chips Act, tariffs, China over capacity... maybe he will provide better answers there.

[@pechorin5842]

@@cooper1819 Wang was neither an intellectual nor a scholar. He was a policy advisor for the Chinese government for a very very short period then he got kicked out. He literally has no influence or deep understanding of Chinese policymaking. I have no idea why the Oxford Union invited him.

[@Joshs8707]

@ liaaron4905 Let’s assume you have been living there for a decade as you say, Im intrigued as to how would you and ccp explain away the accounts by Uyghurs, who escaped and whose family members had been persecuted in concentration camps that, despite your stay in the region, could have secretly existed? This is not conspiratorial construct on my part because that the interviews of escaped Uyghurs are open and accessible on the internet, and that ccp has a well-established notoriety of neutralizing the other chinese ethnic minorities. So the incentive of building those camps are loud and clear. I lived in china through my entire childhood before my family moved to the states, which lends me credibility that’s rooted in my experience through both the elementary education I had and every little trifle as a whole. Xi’s ascending to power has since then coerced and creeped its way in societies all these lies, communist and nationalist propaganda, and completely distorted ideologies of western democracy, owing their entirety to Xi the dictator. It astounds me every time how any sane human being with common sense and conscience could defend him so vehemently, as well as the deeds they have done to their own people, no less?

[@robintan502]

I guess we could reflect on this topic by looking at something analogous that has occurred in the West. How did the British approach separatist movements in Northern Ireland? Or the record of the democratic UK during the Troubles. Next, how did the USA respond to 911? And what did the USA did not its own citizens and non-citizens when they dealt with terrorist? Now circle back to look at the accounts by some Uyghurs, and at the same time, visit Xinjiang, and interview Uyghurs on the ground. As for you claims of established notoriety of neutralizing the other chinese ethnic minorities, I call into doubt your claim that you have lived in China for a decade, or your "first-hand accounts" of China's policy and treatment of minorities. Go seek out the ethnographic academic research about China's record and policies with its minorities. The is contrary to your claims. In fact, Uyghurs had and still have preferential treatment by the Chinese political system and affirmative action policies, this is fact. "The Troubles" in Xinjiang from the 2008s were as described, its a separatist and terrorism matter that had to be sorted out, and if we are objective at benchmarking China's actions and current results in Xinjiang , and contrast it to the actions of the UK or US or even Spain on its similar separatist movements , we can reach a very objective conclusion , instead of the usual anti-China rhetoric that you exhibit. I quote (Xi’s ascending to power has since then coerced and creeped its way in societies all these lies, communist and nationalist propaganda, and completely distorted ideologies of western democracy, owing their entirety to Xi the dictator.) , this is classic rhetoric

[@robintan502]

Sorry I misread this sentence. "Let’s assume you have been living there for a decade as you say," I misread it as "you have living there for a decade". Nonetheless, the points I made is still valid

[@robintan502]

Also read up what is the East Turkestan movement , and dig deeper on how they are funded and where they are based, as well as track their media releases. This will with a a pretty revealing aspect of their aims, agenda and perhaps involvement in the separatists and terrorist incidents in Xinjiang before Beijing's crackdown. If you actually do your own research on the timeline, Xinjiang were a pretty stable autonomous region back before the 2000s, there were friction because of poverty and internal state-sponsored migration of Han Chinese, but oppression on the Uyghurs was never on the table. In fact, the Uyghurs has always enjoyed preferential treatment and affirmative action policies. This is very much in line with the policies of all other ethnic minorities in other regions such as Yunnan and Inner Mongolia. Google or wiki actual incidents tied to the movement circa and post 2008 when the "Troubles" began, like "Tianjin Airlines Flight 7554", "2009 Shaoguan Incident ", "2009 Ürümqi riots", "2011 Hotan attack", "2014 Ürümqi bomb-and-knife attack", "2014 Ürümqi SUV attack", "2014 Kunming Railway Station Attack" and "2015 Baicheng incident" All these will give you a fairly good primer behind the motivations and factors that led to the Beijing crackdown. And also find out about Xinjiang today via the most recent accounts and reports from the UN special rapporteurs, instead of rhetoric by Western hit posts and politicians