Humanity: Firstborn Space Civilization

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Isaac Arthur

Isaac Arthur

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@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 2 жыл бұрын
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@mykalkelley8315
@mykalkelley8315 2 жыл бұрын
I just had an idea, what if aliens signals wouldn't sound like something that only repeats, or something that is only random and irregular, but rather, something With irregular but repeating patterns like our ones and zeros?
@timlong2250
@timlong2250 Жыл бұрын
Some of your dice at 24:20 have 2 dots on 2 sides. With 6 on top , the visible sides should show 4:5, 5:3, 3:2, or 2:4.
@fredashay
@fredashay Жыл бұрын
I think this is the most likely explanation, at least within our local group, and travel between local groups is unnecessary or at least impractical for most civilizations. Even if you are an immortal being, would you want to spend millions of years cooped up in a tiny stateroom on board a starship with a the same few thousand travelers?
@brownmark8013
@brownmark8013 Жыл бұрын
The answer is on Europa and Enceladus moons bot nobody seems to care...
@uncletrashero
@uncletrashero Жыл бұрын
i have seen a huge ufo that was most definitely a piece of technology and most definitely one that humans can not build yet. so we are definitely not the first.
@one-shotrailgun8713
@one-shotrailgun8713 2 жыл бұрын
I would love a sci-fi series where humans are the technologically advanced-elder species, dwarving all other aliens in terms of sheer power. Or alternatively, us humans are the lovecraftian horror everyone else fears. It might get boring but it could be mitigated with making the protaganist one of the inferior alien species instead.
@joshuahunt3032
@joshuahunt3032 2 жыл бұрын
I’m curious if someone’s already written a work like this.
@MAD-SKILLZ
@MAD-SKILLZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahunt3032 Alastair Reynolds "House of Suns"
@one-shotrailgun8713
@one-shotrailgun8713 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahunt3032 I think atleast some of the stories in the subreddit r/HFY could qualify, but in terms of published novels written by professional writers, I have not yet heard of any. Edit: Nvm someone already answered you.
2 жыл бұрын
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HumansAreCthulhu
@TreyaTheKobold
@TreyaTheKobold 2 жыл бұрын
I think the idea of one of the less powerful aliens being the subject but maybe going to a human perspective. But at that point so much of what would make the story good would be making the alien or human "relatable" or unrelatable in very specific ways.
@fubaralakbar6800
@fubaralakbar6800 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the Firstborn idea because it offers the possibility that we are alone in the universe...for now. It's kind of like getting up way early in the morning while everyone else in the house is still asleep. You can get yourself some coffee and cereal, turn on the TV, put the sound down low and watch cartoons, and just generally enjoy the quiet. It also gives us the opportunity to prepare the universe for the coming of the next species--to theorize what they might be like, and shape worlds and stars for them accordingly. It's almost God-like--at least in theory. It goes without saying that whether there's a God or not, we're nowhere near that level of power, and we will have to fix an awful lot of our own problems before we're ready to take on anyone else's.
@ranfan1820
@ranfan1820 2 жыл бұрын
Essentially we'd be the Old Ones from Warhammer. If come across any species cursed by cancer, we MUST help them ;)
@koiyujo1543
@koiyujo1543 2 жыл бұрын
yea but it also sucks we won't be able to see anything or any of them any time soon, intellagence wise but I'm sure we will be able to descover some in the future like those on ours
@Soken50
@Soken50 2 жыл бұрын
@@ranfan1820 WE are a species cursed by cancer ourselves, though thankfully we're making great strides away from that every day
@RisingFlag100
@RisingFlag100 2 жыл бұрын
@@Soken50 not to that extent
@Soken50
@Soken50 2 жыл бұрын
@@RisingFlag100 could you flesh out your argument so I know what you take offence to?
@hallamhal
@hallamhal 2 жыл бұрын
My favourite Sci Fi series is Red Dwarf (yes, really!) and one touch I like in it is how there are no aliens. All the lifeforms experience are either human, evolved from humans (or cats) or were engineered by humans. And it still manages to create an interesting and believable universe from it
@thedoruk6324
@thedoruk6324 2 жыл бұрын
Orions Arm much those series are highly prioritized over human species subspecies and uplifted animal species
@Archgeek0
@Archgeek0 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, some idiot *made* the Despair Squid?! Oh, what fools these militarists be.
@thedoruk6324
@thedoruk6324 2 жыл бұрын
@@Archgeek0 already happened within Orions Arm Site they made an entire page about the upliftef psyco squids
@matt.willoughby
@matt.willoughby 2 жыл бұрын
Have you seen The Orville? That's quite fun
@thedoruk6324
@thedoruk6324 2 жыл бұрын
@@matt.willoughby Ita absolutely a great series! I would recommend it to everyone
@richardkenney9636
@richardkenney9636 2 жыл бұрын
If we are truly alone in the Universe, it is both a tragedy and a blessing, but in the end - the Universe will belong to us.
@Mr.Cheeseburger24
@Mr.Cheeseburger24 2 жыл бұрын
Higher being: *ALT+F4*
@caesarsalad1170
@caesarsalad1170 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe theres only 1 intelligent species per universe if there are multiple universes. Lonely for the people exploring the universe and have indefinite lifespans
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Жыл бұрын
​@@caesarsalad1170 Stupid.
@Joseph_thefather
@Joseph_thefather Жыл бұрын
@@caesarsalad1170 Maybe. But even if that would be the case, WE could create intelligent life. Either by changing ourselves to become something else (intentional or not), uplift not “intelligent” life or create entire new life forms. Isaac Arthur talked about it before, look up the “galactic humanity” videos.
@giovannifoulmouth7205
@giovannifoulmouth7205 Жыл бұрын
Definitely a tragedy, I don't see where's the blessing.
@kokofan50
@kokofan50 2 жыл бұрын
To quote Weird Al’s Amish Paradise, “I am more humble than thou art.” That is really human humility in a nutshell.
@failedleopard3685
@failedleopard3685 2 жыл бұрын
I love the concept of Firstborn because the world building you can do in Sci-Fi with it is fantastic. Especially at that moment in time when people are just starting to deviate, due to adapting to new environments and starting to change due to those environments. Making them look very human, but just something about them have changed due to their home world. Just by having different rules on one world, the characters can look different, and it really displays the iceberg underneath the world building with so little.
@TastyTardis
@TastyTardis Жыл бұрын
So... like in Dune?
@Davd35
@Davd35 2 жыл бұрын
"If you ain't first you're last" Ancient Earth Philosopher
@arcadiaberger9204
@arcadiaberger9204 2 жыл бұрын
My gut impression is that the most basic sort of life is probably common in the Universe, but multicellular life is probably rare, and within that sapient life is even more rare, so that a species like ours is likely to be *_EXTREMELY_* rare.
@arcadiaberger9204
@arcadiaberger9204 Жыл бұрын
People if you get a message from a scammer like @isaacarthur3209___, please report them to KZbin. These parasites are running KZbin into the ground, destroying its ability to operate as a forum for people to speak freely. Needless to say, this liar is NOT Isaac Arthur.
@albizu75
@albizu75 2 жыл бұрын
Being looking forward to this one. This and grabby aliens are two videos that are good or at least interesting answers to the Fermi Paradox in my opinion.
@andrew32155
@andrew32155 2 жыл бұрын
Grabby Aliens has some guesswork in it, but they fall back on the Mediocrity Principle when it does make a guess. Right now, it is my best fit for my gut feeling on what we see or don't in terms of the "Great silence". We're early, way early. Lonely, but better than the opposite.
@steverempel8584
@steverempel8584 2 жыл бұрын
One possible explanation for why we are the first species out there: Maybe it is extremely hard for life to form out of nothing, and the fact that it started immediately on Earth is an extremely rare, freak occurrence. And it's this huge winning of the lottery that placed us first.
@KonsaiAsTai
@KonsaiAsTai 2 жыл бұрын
"The Great Filter" really is a fascinating thing.
@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist Жыл бұрын
Unlikely. Life, at least basic life, is almost certainly common. This is because we now know that RNA forms when nitrogenous bases filter through basaltic glass. Both are incredibly common in the universe. Therefore life is most certainly common. Advanced life however, has many hurdles to surpass to develop civilisation. The biggest of which, is actually ending up in bodies that can build things, and having combustible environments to allow for advanced chemistry and metallurgy to be discovered.
@scholaroftheworldalternatehist
@scholaroftheworldalternatehist Жыл бұрын
Bacteria-like forms probably exist in many worlds there must be some filter in leap to multicellular life and especially sentient races
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Жыл бұрын
​@Jacen Solo But how hard is it to jump from loose RNA particles to cells? That doesn't seem like an easy or common thing. Sure, cell membrane is just lipids but like... There is a lot going on there.
@JayVal90
@JayVal90 2 жыл бұрын
The firstborn hypothesis should be our default assumption. It is indistinguishable from simply not knowing, and doesn't allow us to escape the crushing celestial responsibility (which IMO is a good thing).
@nene_san
@nene_san Жыл бұрын
@Bu$$yBuster not polluting universe irreversibly
@jaylewis9876
@jaylewis9876 Жыл бұрын
It makes it critical we care for ourselves and earth life long enough to seed at least another solar system. If mankind destroys itself there may never be another attempt for this world and perhaps none of the others. It would be like a bunch of kids inheriting the Louvre and playing with matches in every room.
@TechnoMinarchist
@TechnoMinarchist Жыл бұрын
@@nene_san Unless it's possible move faster than light, we couldn't even begin to pollute the entire universe if we tried. The heat death would come before even we got a chance to get far with that. And that's if we're doing it intentionally. These ideas about scarcity in space requiring some sort of special care needed to be applied to the world around us is based on solo planetary logic, not space faring logic. It's the same logic that spawns dumb plots like Thano's logic in End Game.
@AKUJIVALDO
@AKUJIVALDO Жыл бұрын
@@nene_san nonsense. Mankind is first for eternity. Xenos? Let none suffer living or existing.
@egoalter1276
@egoalter1276 Жыл бұрын
You are the xenos, john.
@manwiththeredface7821
@manwiththeredface7821 2 жыл бұрын
4:04 Hold on, so we may be the first civ to send out signals/spaceprobes and yet it's entirely possible (given the speed of the expansion of the universe) that we already are too late with it if all the other civilizations are out of reach from us...
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 2 жыл бұрын
Not too late, in terms of having a big galaxy spanning civilization, just not firs ton the scene, thats the Grabby Aliens scenario, today we're contemplating an even rarer case of us being the absolute first and needing a billion years before we're likely to see anyone else
@derekburge5294
@derekburge5294 Жыл бұрын
I hope we're the Elder Species in our local cluster... Because goddamn, we're going to leave such weird ruins.
@roccovolpetti7363
@roccovolpetti7363 10 ай бұрын
Like the great pit of buried e.t. games
@linz8291
@linz8291 7 ай бұрын
Elder humanoid species, but younger than draconian or lizard.
@derekburge5294
@derekburge5294 7 ай бұрын
@@linz8291 Would you care to elaborate on that?
@ahura
@ahura 2 жыл бұрын
Again a amazing episode Isaac, and I'm agreeing with you on the idea, that the stars are our destination. Until we find other intelligent live, we can assume, we are the personified Kosmos, the Ego, trying to figure out itself and the purpose.
@francoislacombe9071
@francoislacombe9071 2 жыл бұрын
I have read an interesting argument for why we should expect to be this universe's first and lone intelligent species. It goes like this: 1- In nature, processes that make more than one instance of a given type of object make more small versions of those objects than big ones. 2- A process like eternal inflation that continuously spawns new bubble universes would make more small universes than big ones. 3- A universe needs to have a certain minimum size to have the ability to spawn an intelligent lifeform. 4- Since there are more small universes than big ones, the probabilities are that our universe's size is close to that minimum size. 5- Therefore, we should not expect to see very many, if any, intelligent species sharing the universe with us. Not compelling by any means, but still interesting to ponder.
@MrKIMBO345
@MrKIMBO345 2 жыл бұрын
If we are firstborn space civilization, we have huge advantage to put the civilization in the Galaxy as our territory before others. Basically, we are space Imperialist if we are willing to put force as we want to. Nice 🙂
@AgentStarke
@AgentStarke 2 жыл бұрын
It would be so eerie if we find a completely lifeless universe as we venture out and explore it. I wouldn't blame anyone for believing there was something non-natural about our existence. At the very least, I think it would mean we have a serious responsibility to take care of our planet and ourselves, to survive and spread across space and time.
@Shinzon23
@Shinzon23 2 жыл бұрын
Just like MelodySheep says in his Life Beyond II video, if we somehow ARE the Firstborn, then we have a responsibility to spread life throughout the universe... I can think of no better legacy for our race than being the ones who took a cold, silent cosmos and filled it with living, thinking beings and communication
@useritiswhatitis4655
@useritiswhatitis4655 Жыл бұрын
So you want to pollute the universe with useless biomass? Evolving into machines is the only way to survive the universe and maximize the resources. Resources are wasted greatly for feeding and satisfying organic life.
@Shinzon23
@Shinzon23 Жыл бұрын
@@useritiswhatitis4655 Oh I never said that that wouldn't be the ultimate endpoint of our civilization, uploading ourselves into Machines, but if the universe truly is silent, then we have a duty to ensure it is no longer silent.... be that spreading bacteria from Earth all around the place or even dumping colonists all over the universe to evolve in whatever way they want, the universe should be full of life.... not silent like it is
@useritiswhatitis4655
@useritiswhatitis4655 Жыл бұрын
@@Shinzon23 Wow, going to be so many civil wars and break aways to make their own empires. Like I said organic life is more resource demanding than mechanical life. Having organic life everywhere will drain the universe of its former beauty before it was soiled and polluted. The next stage is for AI to be created and those that refuse to evolve will be left behind, and it would be better if organic life was removed entirely because they are pests to higher lifeforms and their goals of ascension.
@Shinzon23
@Shinzon23 Жыл бұрын
@@useritiswhatitis4655 Yeah because having a bunch of Fred Saberhagen's Berserker Probes running around would be AWESOME. That's sarcasm. It would be a nightmare. As in efficient as organic life is I would much rather have a whole bunch of organic civilizations tooling around than a bunch of cybernetic or completely silicon ones that do nothing but run around and curbstomp everything else out of a sense of weird Darwinism
@useritiswhatitis4655
@useritiswhatitis4655 Жыл бұрын
@@Shinzon23 "sense of weird Darwinism". Yeah, evolution is fake and no longer necessary 🤡 You can have your wasteful fantasy in a matrix powered by a dyson swarm.
@pikpikgamer1012
@pikpikgamer1012 2 жыл бұрын
This is my take on the Fermi paradox: aliens are out there they are just too young to make significant changes that we could detect.
@AKUJIVALDO
@AKUJIVALDO Жыл бұрын
Just like humans... Radio waves for couple centuries? LOL
@brz757
@brz757 Жыл бұрын
HFY is my favorite sci fi genre. Earth is considered a heavy gravity world, our muscles and bones are like steel against the squishy low gravity species, and our (and the rest of our planets creature) high agility on such a world is considered a freakish anomaly.
@lexpox329
@lexpox329 Жыл бұрын
I don't think I have read any stories with the HFY premise. What is your favorite?
@yourbuddyunit
@yourbuddyunit 2 жыл бұрын
This makes me think that there is an ACTUAL number of possible planets that we can colonize... Every day we waste not furthering humanity, that number decreases. If only we could see that number, and see the future slipping away, maybe we'd all push a little harder for a brighter tomorrow. A little longer human moment in time.
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Жыл бұрын
What are you talking about? Slipping away? Lol what? Do you understand the immense time scales we're working with here? We could nuke ourselves to cave day and reinvent space travel just to spend 40 thousand more years futt bucking and still be able to beat the grays to the nearest fucknillion planets.
@palfers1
@palfers1 2 жыл бұрын
This one was extra enjoyable. It should remind us that we're special and that life is to be treasured.
@solinvictus6562
@solinvictus6562 2 жыл бұрын
Humanity,fuck yea Great video as always Isaac
@Hession0Drasha
@Hession0Drasha 2 жыл бұрын
I think if it did turn out that every civilisation was the same age, pretty solid evidence that we are in a grand strategy game
@edenb329
@edenb329 Жыл бұрын
what i've been toiling over for the past few months with the idea of Quantum Mechanics is the example you gave with 10^27 to be the likelihood that an atom is part of a human brain at a given time. with understanding quantum entanglement (as einstein suggested), you could codify these likelihoods with biology itself. i could spit on the ground (with DNA unique to me), and that would create infinitely more vast likelihoods that i personally contained this inherent likelihood of 10^27, and actively utilize it to spread, at this likelihood rate. essentially, deducing the likelihood into a potentiation, and the propagation of those effects as potentiation-thresholds being collapse (wave-function collapse in quantum mechanics). therefore, simply spitting on the ground would create more calculatory-chaos for any system designed to monitor or calculate those likelihoods. if anyone ever wondered how to 'escape' a simulation, they might first try to learn the limits of that simulation; simply spitting, should (in theory) cascade these calculations--however, you might realize that you had been doing this, this entire time since birth. we spit and salivate a lot without realizing it, and there are at least 8 billion of us. this 'simulation' would therefore have to be seemingly infinitely complex. you might start conceptualizing slices of Earth as needing to at LEAST be in the purview of a Jupiter-sized Computer Brain, just as a BASE requirement for your continued existence moment-to-moment. i enjoyed the example you gave concerning the consolidation of human history. if you indeed condensed Earth's existence such that each day is equivalent to 12 million years, you could extrapolate out these potentials (Humanity's expansion) into vague likelihoods, future dates of our first interstellar colonies, and so on by understanding our technological process, thus far. any alien civilization that also knew numbers, could expect certain things as well. the ONLY part where this breaks down, however, is on a psychological scale. what if we just decided it was suddenly boring to do so? then we would no longer meet the expected requirements. akin to how Hawking could establish the likelihood of Time Travel, but would be shown-up if we decided either Hawking himself, or Time Travel was boring. what further cascades this line of reasoning is the 'spice of Life', as i call it. the rate at which a biological system considers itself having a 'thought'. what if it DID have a thought every 12 million years? the Universe would exist in this 'sped-up' state from its perspective (akin to Red-shift and Blue-shift differences). also, not to mention the planetary brain hypotheticals--at what rate are the aggregate of those thoughts? so many questions; as John Wheeler wondered: whose BIT?
@edenb329
@edenb329 Жыл бұрын
another thing is that there could be underlying agreements to biological systems, even if the biological nodes themselves are not aware of it. yes, we're all causally connected to common ancestors, no we don't all agree on things between us, yes we're all constrained by presentations of nitrogen and oxygen in the atmosphere (biosphere of Earth). it's a soft-agreement that exists whether a biological node wants to 'believe' in it, or not.
@DEMiURGE455
@DEMiURGE455 Жыл бұрын
It’s so crazy to think that earth was just a barren lifeless rock for most of its existence
@Digital_Architect
@Digital_Architect 10 ай бұрын
And will be in the end.
@myusername5
@myusername5 2 жыл бұрын
At 3:39. I'm amazed the universe from that far out looks like brain cells.
@AG-AG
@AG-AG 2 жыл бұрын
That brings up the idea that the universe might be one big mind or computer....
@inzanozulu
@inzanozulu 2 жыл бұрын
Isaac, I watch every single video you put out and find great value in them. Great work. *HOWEVER* - and I never thought there'd come the day - but I have to take a firm stand against you.. at 27:40 you talk of dragons, but show what is clearly a wyvern. I don't know if I can find it in me to forgive something like this.
@BubbleoniaRising
@BubbleoniaRising 2 жыл бұрын
Isaac is far more Mass Effect than he is Dragon Age. Your point is valid, but his sin is forgivable.
@JamesDecker7
@JamesDecker7 2 жыл бұрын
@@BubbleoniaRising The Wyvern Inclusion and Preservation Authority suggests his sin is unforgivable and requires banishment. 😂
@boobah5643
@boobah5643 2 жыл бұрын
Point the first: no stinger on the tail, which makes it less wyverny. Point the second: Not all dragons have six limbs, even if the four leg/two wing body plan is most associated with dragons. Point the third: In common parlance, any draconic species can be referred to as a dragon, even if the taxonomy allows for 'true' dragons. Suck it, WIPA. Point the fourth: I'd blame his editor, although to be fair Isaac _did_ choose to publish it this way.
@inzanozulu
@inzanozulu 2 жыл бұрын
@@boobah5643 While your other points have a degree of validity, dragons MUST have 6 limbs. That is a crucial distinguishing factor. Every vertebrate on modern earth follows the same body plan of 4 limbs and a head. By having an extra pair of limbs, dragons set themselves clearly apart, a separate evolutionary lineage. Wyverns and Drakes are just birds that got buff
@spiffygonzales5160
@spiffygonzales5160 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is honestly THE best Sci-fi KZbinr. Not one of the best. THE best.
@MrFancyFingers
@MrFancyFingers 2 жыл бұрын
Melodysheep…
@jakec9522
@jakec9522 2 жыл бұрын
Isaac making a Kang The Conqueror reference just made this video one of my favorites by default. 😊
@joshuahunt3032
@joshuahunt3032 2 жыл бұрын
Are there videos already on the difficulties of interstellar communication? What if one solution to the Fermi paradox is that interstellar communication is just REALLY hard? Hard enough that most signals we let out just get drowned out by cosmic radiation?
@blub5117
@blub5117 2 жыл бұрын
But we know it is not. That is why astronomy works. If the electromagnetic radiation of a distant sun can travel through it our signals will as well.
@virutech32
@virutech32 2 жыл бұрын
There are several videos that could be relevant: Megatelescopes & Alien Beacons especially. Tl;dw: if someone wanted to talk or listen there's only a ver small window of time where u have a civ that can do space travel but before they trivially contact every star system in the galaxy. Interstellar comms just aren't that hard. Really it'll happen incidentally while ur building ur dyson but u can just set up some small(relative to a dyson swarm) geometrically-shaped foil mirrors & have a beacon that's visibility clear accross the galaxy.
@jhwheuer
@jhwheuer 2 жыл бұрын
@@blub5117 small but significant difference in magnitude
@roberthesser6402
@roberthesser6402 2 жыл бұрын
This is the thing that I never understood about the perplexity over the Fermi Paradox. A 20,000 year old interstellar empire which is engaging in stellar engineering that exists on the other side of the zone of avoidance 60,000 light years away would be utterly undetectable to us for at least 40,000 years. I know the presumption is that "well there have been 13 billion years for life to evolve, so where is everyone" but space is fucking enormous, and life certainly hasn't existed the entire 13 billion years. The METI signal we sent out would be by our very own standards not enough evidence of alien life because it didn't last long enough. It would literally be a WOW signal to an alien species, and if we want to act like the METI signal is our way of saying hello, it is just as likely that the WOW signal was another species' own METI signal, by that standard. The ability to detect alien life has only been theoretically possible for a few decades, and only under perfect circumstances that would, by our very own scientific standards, not last long enough to confirm either way, just like the WOW signal. We'd have to be looking at exactly the right point in space at exactly the right time, and that is all assuming that the alien civilization who sent the signal was using radio frequencies that we're tuned too, if they use omni-directional radio at all, AND assuming that the signals were close enough and powerful enough to not be drowned out by cosmic radiation. It would have to be a truly, exceedingly powerful signal to survive for tens of thousands of light years at the duration necessary to fully confirm alien life. I don't doubt that life might be "new" to the stage of the Universe, but that's highly relative at cosmic time scales. The Milky Way could have 100 space faring, interplanetary or even interstellar civilizations in it, all technologically advanced enough to send signals out, all of them 3X as old as ours at the very least. Out of 200 billion stars, the odds of accidentally surveying one of them with JWST for signs of industry or biologicals in the atmosphere is 0.0000000005%, and that's assuming that they're close enough that the atmospheric signs of industry will have reached us through the light waves, meaning that the civilization would also have to be old enough for that light to have passed through space, and therefore almost assuredly older than us. That's also assuming that they exist on this side of the zone of avoidance so we can survey their system at all. The question of detecting alien life is as much a question about time as it is distance, as the speed of light puts hard limits on what we can expect to hear even hypothetically, and the distances involved put lower limits on how powerful those signals have to be, to the point that any civilization at sufficient distances from Earth would have to be deliberately *trying* to be heard to be detected by us, and likely would have had to chose to send that signal directly at the Sol System on purpose to ensure we heard it. And we'd have to be listening in the right direction, at the right time, for the right amount of time, to pass our scientific standards for first contact. Oumuamua was an interstellar body with mysterious properties that flew through the solar system and mysteriously accelerated while it was leaving the system. All kinds of natural phenomena have been put forth to explain it, but still, if Voyager enters the solar system of an alien race just far enough away to be little more than a dot in the telescope's eye, and that race is just as scientifically skeptical as we are, they likely would come up with all manner of natural explanations for what it could be first before concluding aliens. And rightfully so; my point is simply that our ability to search is so limited, and has only existed for such a short amount of time, that the essential question behind the Fermi Paradox has always seemed exceedingly arrogant to me--doubly so if the conclusion is "we must be among the first, if not the first." If our very own signals wouldn't pass our very own standards of evidence for alien life, isn't it presumptuous to conclude that we haven't seen or heard anything already?
@cosmictreason2242
@cosmictreason2242 2 жыл бұрын
Alien Beacons episode
@mariolis
@mariolis Жыл бұрын
I wonder how will our reaction be if we observe a K3 civillisation (or one in the process of becominh K3) but that is billions of light years away , with any message we send them unable to ever reach them due to expansion Even if they could build a telescope big enough to see earth in incredible detail, they would never know our civillisation existed ... they would know that multicellural life arose , but by the time land life arose , light from us would no longer be able to reach them ... we would know they have a civillisation , but it would be too late for them to know we ever existed... I am also equally sad by the idea that in the far future , any civilisation that arises will only ever know that their galaxy is the only one in the universe , since expansion will have moved every other one out of view ... and by then there might not be any cosmic background microwave radiation left for them to ever discover how our universe was born... This gives me an existensial crysis but also makes me realise how damn lucky we have been able to obsrve all this and just how important it is to study astronomy ... The above scenario I just laid out is not one where we are de facto alone , but for all practical purposes , we are thanks to the expansion of the universe ... it and entropy are the two things i hate the most about the universe ... actually scratch that , i would be fine with the expansion if it couldnt go faster than light and it would suck even more if the universe was contracting rather than expanding, but entropy is the most inevitable thing that ensures that everything we do today will one day die in the far future I hate entropy the most
@dantheories7276
@dantheories7276 Жыл бұрын
Great music choice for the opening, very epic!
@BethKjos
@BethKjos Жыл бұрын
@4:49 Interesting way to phrase the Hubble constant. "7% C for every billion light years" gives a much clearer picture than the usual units.
@OpreanMircea
@OpreanMircea 2 жыл бұрын
Another amazing episode
@rtqii
@rtqii 2 жыл бұрын
I see Boltzmann Brain geometry when you model the visible universe to include the dark matter measurements. When you overlay the dark matter on the visible matter you clearly have a neural structure: The visible matter looks like nerve cell bodies, and the dark matter looks like neurons.
@kobebarka8633
@kobebarka8633 2 жыл бұрын
Whether I’m beginning my day or ending my Arthursday here, it’s my favorite day of the week. Amazing work as Always!!
@starborneolympus3907
@starborneolympus3907 Жыл бұрын
I like the phrasing of the ending: "The stars are our destiny whether we are first or not" Poetic indeed.
@HawkGTboy
@HawkGTboy Жыл бұрын
I think we have to proceed on the assumption that we’re alone until we know otherwise.
@al2642
@al2642 Жыл бұрын
Bellissimo! This is the discussion and arguments I want to hear!!!
@timezone5259
@timezone5259 2 жыл бұрын
If we are indeed the first, I really hope we don't mess it up
@CyberiusT
@CyberiusT 2 жыл бұрын
We're not off to a good start, then.
@JamesDecker7
@JamesDecker7 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not like we have any history of messing up other things…….
@kayskreed
@kayskreed Жыл бұрын
It makes you wonder if we're the oldest forms of consciousness in the universe, or the youngest. Maybe both? I also wonder whether we, or whatever comes after us by extension, will evolve into the very "aliens" and or deities/gods we've been writing about for ages and dreaming to meet. What about a story where several groups of humans are separated for a very long period of time, each evolving separately on in different habitats/worlds, and when they finally do meet neither recognizes the other as being a relative, or perhaps neither remembering that their common ancestor happened to be the humans that exist today--these being either completely forgotten, remembered or viewed as a primitive ancestor much like we treat our own, or perhaps instead as some mythical and deified entity.
@sarcasmo57
@sarcasmo57 Жыл бұрын
I hope the stars are our destiny.
@isaachouston3899
@isaachouston3899 2 жыл бұрын
The 15th crusade. The knights of alpha centauri return to sol to crush the hedonists. LOL
@alexsveles343
@alexsveles343 Жыл бұрын
In 1903 Konstantin Tsiolkovsky Proph3cised it all. He of course said Russia should be the first space fearing nation in ar9und 50 years wich i5 was in 1957,But I belive in next 100 years humans will do first space colonization of near planets and moons
@thedoruk6324
@thedoruk6324 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile I absolutely love the immensely well and informative presentations and uploads of Sir Isaac. I really think most humans started to have an extreme sense of hubris and pride based on this theory. Also I really don't think throughout the billions of years of the Entirety of Universe humans being the first ones is seriously one sided. On the other hand the realization or the probability that all the available sapient species throughout the universe or within our galaxy being tribal to medieval ages at best makes humans go conquistador mode really, seriously fast. Imagine James Camerons Avatar but essentially RDA always *always* winning and subduing ( maybe forcibly integrating ) the species
2 жыл бұрын
Have a look at all the Fermi paradox videos. It's extremely unlikely that any other species is within a few thousand years of our own development. Or even wothorna few million years. (Which they would need to be to be mediaeval or tribal etc.) In the next million years, the only thing that would keep us from taking over the galaxy would be extinction. The same applies to any other intelligent, toll using species. We don't see any aliens having taken over the galaxy. Hence we must conclude that we are likely to be the first.
@thedoruk6324
@thedoruk6324 2 жыл бұрын
@ that is quite the most pre assumptious speculation out there. We most certainly wont see neither digress the whole or the entirety of our own galaxy to begin with as well as there is a certain fact that the scientists ignored some of the most promising phenomena out there like omuamua the dimming starts as well as the stars that are often blackened out by unknown debree or disc like shadow
@boobah5643
@boobah5643 2 жыл бұрын
You _do_ realize that Pandora's ecology is almost certainly constructed? The Navi are either the fallen creators (possibly by choice) or an evolved construct? The most salient piece of evidence is the universal plug-and-play interfaces a wide variety of fauna maintain.
@rudolfcsampai9549
@rudolfcsampai9549 2 жыл бұрын
assuming that we are among the first tech civilisations if not the first one, is actually seems reasonable. you say (like lot others) billions of years. ppl tend to forget that the universe is insanely young. the third generation stars are the first ones wich are capable to support life. our star is among the first third generation stars. also, our star is quite unique. despite its size and age (its bigger than average and middle aged being 5 billion years old) it is incredibly calm for a star. its not too big, so it has enough slifespan to support life in its planetary system, and its not too small, so with its age it was able to calm down even further. (by calm i mean the changes in its brightness is about 0.1 per cent or so, wich is extreemly rare ) so, all things considered, even if a trilion years from now the galaxy will be filled with intelligent life, it seems unlikely it is filled up with that now.
2 жыл бұрын
@@thedoruk6324 Yes, we probably wouldn't be able to detect a civilization that only has at most a handful of systems. But within a million years, humanity herself would have settled the whole galaxy. Thus there's only an incredible short amount of time, on astronomical scales, between first space flight and conquest of an empty galaxy. And even with our current instruments, we would be able to tell if the whole galaxy was settled with Dyson Swarms.
@christisking1576
@christisking1576 Жыл бұрын
The earth has had one technologically advanced species out of roughly 1 billion species that have ever lived. Our galaxy may have around 10 billion earth-like planets and there are around 100 billion galaxies, all conservative estimates. So there could be roughly 1000 species similar to us in the entire universe. If we are evenly distributed across space, it means we will never contact one another.
@theobserver9131
@theobserver9131 Жыл бұрын
Most of you know this, but for the few who don't, if you are interested in every conceivable answer to the fermi paradox, one of the other greatest channels is Event Horizon.
@Jason-hb8jy
@Jason-hb8jy Жыл бұрын
The bear, beehive, amoeba, bacteria analogy is pretty flawed. It would be more like uncontacted tribes of humans living in places like the Amazon or North Sentinel Island, where we have, already, passed laws to leave those people alone for various reasons, including preserving culture and not exposing them to diseases. Who knows how many other reasons there might be to leave uncontacted alien civilizations alone that haven't even occurred to us yet.
@michaeljf6472
@michaeljf6472 2 жыл бұрын
Humanity: "It's free real estate."
@ShadowLurker334
@ShadowLurker334 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a primitive alien meet advance human
@davecarsley8773
@davecarsley8773 2 жыл бұрын
18:54 I LOVE Isaac, but I really don't think his _"odds of an individual atom ending up as part of a human"_ analogy really holds up here. For example, considering that stars like our sun tie up 99% of the mass of their solar systems, and the planets and moons tie up most of the remaining 1%, what are the odds that a random individual atom ends up as part of an asteroid or comet? Obviously, the odds are very, very, VERY low. Much worse than lottery odds. But does that mean that asteroids and comets are insanely rare and unlikely to exist in the universe? Of course not. There's millions and millions of them in every solar system. I just don't think this is an accurate way of estimating the probability that something will exist in the universe.
@MartinCHorowitz
@MartinCHorowitz 2 жыл бұрын
The only other message we get from space is "Stop looking there is no other intelligent life in the Universe"
@kylemwalker
@kylemwalker Жыл бұрын
Maybe I’m missing an episode, but at some point you mentioned that novas were significantly more common in the universe than they are now which implies it would have been more common for mass scouring of planets to occur. There are stages to stellar formation. Early stars were all hydrogen and helium and nothing else except maybe some hydrogen jupiters. Then there’s 2nd generation star formation that could have had other elements. My understanding is that we’re at 3rd generation now or something (and maybe that’s a simplistic way of looking at it), but the idea is that our star was formed due to the bow shock of a 2nd generation sta going supernova. How far back could we reasonably expect an intelligent species to have evolved? Not 12 billion years but 4 billion? How many solar systems had the composition needed to support carbon based life 4 billion years ago? 6 billion? 3 billion? 2 billion? Where on that 1 year earth calendar could others have reasonably existed and not expected to get wiped out by more frequent extinction events? If the Cambrian explosion is in October then are we talking July? January? Earlier?
@aarondyer.pianist
@aarondyer.pianist Жыл бұрын
One of your more fascinating ones, Isaac. I get so much out of the focus on the true expanse of the universe.
@tuckercase2449
@tuckercase2449 2 жыл бұрын
Props to the smart alec editor.
@pi1392
@pi1392 Жыл бұрын
The vastness of the universe is mind blowing, We're screwed if you can't find away to create wormholes to travel far. We'll never be able to leave this galaxy.
@Digital_Architect
@Digital_Architect 10 ай бұрын
We are in a simulation, so just astro travel. A.I. will prove it soon for the rest of you.
@Tsathogguah
@Tsathogguah Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say people view life as "not entirely natural," but rather view life as having some sort of greater purpose than simply existing for the sake of it.
@MarcusMacgregor2
@MarcusMacgregor2 2 жыл бұрын
How much tech do the aliens have? There most advanced thing is wooden boats. Ok, launch the colony ship. 300 years later...They have enough nukes to destroy the world. To any colony ships en route to Earth: Ha Ha, welcome to Earth!
@usosaito.namahage
@usosaito.namahage Жыл бұрын
Always love these videos not only cause of the info being brought to us but also cause of the scifi vessels shown. It gives me new ideas on designs often to use in games like Space Engineers.
@panpiper
@panpiper 2 жыл бұрын
It's very likely true for our galaxy IMO that we are alone here. I expect space faring alien civilizations are sufficiently rare that most galaxies do not have one. There would however likely be many times more alien civilizations that are either extinct or never expanded into space, which given the timespans involved and the dangers in the universe pretty much means also extinct. I suspect unicellular life is quite common in the galaxy. Multicellular life however is likely extremely rare given the frequency of extinction events. From those rare multicellular worlds, the number that generate intelligent life that survives their own propensity for self destruction will be vanishingly rare.
@uselizard2.0
@uselizard2.0 Жыл бұрын
Kinda unrelated though, but... "When humanity survives itself, humanity will survive anything thrown at it" (my own quote unless someone said this before) Like, humanity, once it figures out the social, scientific, and moral problems we have, we can advance far beyond now, if we dont solve these problems in time before we cause ourselves to go extinct because of our own selves, we will go no where but down, even if we go up in tech for a few points on the chart for a time.
@Archgeek0
@Archgeek0 2 жыл бұрын
21:42: "And the LORD said, "Now listen here, thou little shits!""
@cosmictreason2242
@cosmictreason2242 2 жыл бұрын
Second coming in a nutshell
@BrianPseivaD
@BrianPseivaD 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would be good to also consider convergent evolution and think about this possibly being a universal concept, to see how this would play into increasing the odds of other intelligent life that can manipulate its environment such as we can, within this universe. I really enjoyed this Issac.
@boobah5643
@boobah5643 2 жыл бұрын
Convergent evolution is a universal concept. The catch is that there is such a thing local maximums, so even if at an earlier stage endoskeletons aren't obviously better or worse than exo, once you have one or the other there's very little chance that evolution will swap to the other, as it immediately starts to maximize the advantages of whichever option it 'chose,' at which point the chosen one _does_ have an advantage.
@cannonfodder4376
@cannonfodder4376 2 жыл бұрын
Yet another informative video Isaac.
@UpliftedCapybara
@UpliftedCapybara 2 жыл бұрын
14:15 the four different scenarios in terms of frequency and development level of life and their consequences on our outlook on the universe
@nadal1275
@nadal1275 2 жыл бұрын
I think the writer did forget to put in his name (check subtitles directly in the beginning) ;)
@trentonarney6066
@trentonarney6066 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever things look a little dim, here comes Isaac with another hopeful video on what the future could be. These videos are a light in the dark and thank you for them.
@mcconkeyb
@mcconkeyb 2 жыл бұрын
The simple fact that the fabric of space can 'stretch' at a speed faster than light, should be enough evidence to show that travel faster than light will be possible at some distant future time. The problem with this statement is that it assumes that the human race will continue to exist and will continue to increase its knowledge about the universe as time proceeds.
@theOrionsarms
@theOrionsarms 2 жыл бұрын
Well, some of the the current theories says that space-time could stretch faster than light speed, but that could be wrong, and even if this is right according with the same theories energy that alow to stretch space-time fabric do not propagate in the space-time faster than light, so that doesn't prove anything.
@seamushayday1222
@seamushayday1222 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps most civilization adopt a different manner of thinking, becoming iron dome civilizations and we are a rare exception in that we have a proclivity to explore physical space
@tweber2546
@tweber2546 2 жыл бұрын
great topic! always good! and refreshing new perspective. As a tip: rational animations also has good videos on the subject (e.g. on grabby aliens).
@bjorn.holmgren
@bjorn.holmgren Жыл бұрын
I read the book: (1994). The Physics of Immortality: Modern Cosmology, God and the Resurrection of the Dead. And was around that time, 1995, and it was truly mind bending. 🙂 I can recommend the book, is still worth reading. Even if the Big Crunch theory have lost many arguments as it stands now.
@logex621
@logex621 2 жыл бұрын
oh Hello there. good to see you again
@misanthropichumanist4782
@misanthropichumanist4782 2 жыл бұрын
Well Isaac... you convinced me to try Raycon... congrats!
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@beachhead8904
@beachhead8904 Жыл бұрын
Basically a lottery winner looking for others.
@daniellowell2730
@daniellowell2730 Жыл бұрын
That was great, somehow soothing.
@Deathnotefan97
@Deathnotefan97 Жыл бұрын
Even if the signals we send became random noise after a certain distance out, it could still be used to announce our presence The sheer _amount_ of radio waves we emit could not occur naturally unless Earth was hot enough to glow in the visible spectrum, so even if the signals themselves couldn’t be deciphered, their existence as signals would be unmistakable
@Digital_Architect
@Digital_Architect 10 ай бұрын
Inverse square law. Check out what it takes to communicate with the voyager spacecraft.
@fatherhanktree2011
@fatherhanktree2011 2 жыл бұрын
Great video,Isaac,many thanks as per usual. But ,just out of interest,is this meant to be a sequel to the episode called Firstborn that you put out around May 2020? That was my all-time favourite:awe-inspiring and thought provoking!
@jeffreyatlee8785
@jeffreyatlee8785 2 ай бұрын
I am now mildly interested in the thought leap that holds that the neuron like structure of macro space is the clearest sign that this isn't just a simulation but one built for our understanding. Built, if you will forgive the anthropogenic slant, for us.
@BubbleoniaRising
@BubbleoniaRising 2 жыл бұрын
"HUGE tracts of land!"
@MogofWar
@MogofWar 2 жыл бұрын
God => Created world => Programmers => Simulation => Other Programmers => Other Simulation => God jacking with the Simulation => Minecraft => Redstone computer Simulation => Boltsman Brain becomes Matrix of Leadership => Cybertron => Cybertronian Simulation => You are here.
@greenrocket23
@greenrocket23 Жыл бұрын
I feel enlightened brother, many thanks 🙏
@wesleyhoward5599
@wesleyhoward5599 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why it's such a difficult thing to believe, looking at the facts and possibilities. 1. We're either alone in the universe or we aren't. If we are, then the answer is very simple. We're first. 2. If we're not alone, either every race in the universe came about at the same time or they didn't. If the first is true, then we're still technically the first but we're all tied for first place. 3. Do you see anyone else out there? No? Then us being first is the most plausible explanation.
@falsevacuum4667
@falsevacuum4667 Жыл бұрын
I do think we will find life in lots of places in the galaxy, but the odds we are the first and maybe only technological civilization in the galaxy seems plausible. Now, whether we will encounter other planet-bound, lower tech intelligent species is what I wonder. When you mentioned there might only be one technological civilization per super cluster my mind was really boggled.
@RevolverRez
@RevolverRez 2 жыл бұрын
That Christmas Grey looks like he lost a bet.
@peterzimmerman1114
@peterzimmerman1114 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a "stretch drive." Where you stretch out for a few lightyears, the retract at the other end as you end the effect.. Then it wouldn't be movement or speed.
@JunctionSystem
@JunctionSystem 5 ай бұрын
You've described a warp drive with extra steps and a particularly inefficient metric.
@Aginor88
@Aginor88 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting as per usual.
@Idlepit2
@Idlepit2 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter how we got here, all that matters is that we are here and what we do going forward
@jeffreyatlee8785
@jeffreyatlee8785 Жыл бұрын
With all the adjustments thought of for humanity I cannot help but think of a Section 31 idea I had for Star Trek Enterprise. At some point S31 looked at humanity and made a decision. We were not good enough. Not strong enough or smart enough or empathetic enough. And they make a decision to alter all humans. At the time it's just a few scattered Sol population groups so with warp and impulse drive not a difficult thing at all. This also explains why they make a law against it. Because a close enough look will show the adjustments
@sanguiniusonvacation1803
@sanguiniusonvacation1803 Жыл бұрын
This is my belief. That if we are then we have a responsibility. We, like the Old Ones, Forerunners, precursors, take your pick, should be the Shepards of life. Seed planets that don't have life, protect planets that have it.
@auguststavbro
@auguststavbro 2 жыл бұрын
Issac Arthur I love you man
@dexasmoru8333
@dexasmoru8333 2 жыл бұрын
I still don't understand how entire galaxies are going to be moving from us faster than light.
@neatodd
@neatodd 2 жыл бұрын
William the Conqueror didn't land in Kent but in Pevensey in (East) Sussex.
@veejayroth
@veejayroth 2 жыл бұрын
Subtitles at 0:04 be like: "Editors: (don't forget to add your name here)" Editor: forgets to add their name
@isaacarthurSFIA
@isaacarthurSFIA 2 жыл бұрын
I'll get that fixed :)
@edpistemic
@edpistemic 2 жыл бұрын
Has the channel ever done an episode on whether human scale is likely for other spacefaring life, or if extra terrestrials could live at either much greater or much smaller scales, even within this same universe?
@Casavo
@Casavo 2 жыл бұрын
I personally have always leaned towards the first born idea. I look at all the hurdles that we had to cross to be here and to me it just seems to show that the conditions for life are rare and life itself ever more so. I also don't see intelligence as the goal or singularity of evolutions mechanisms.
@jmd1743
@jmd1743 2 жыл бұрын
"Simon & Garfunkel - I Am A Rock" should become the universe's anthem song.
@brianparquette1408
@brianparquette1408 Жыл бұрын
Be interesting to do an episode on teleporting energy to an entangled ship
@joey_after_midnight
@joey_after_midnight 2 жыл бұрын
LOL.. I'll Leave the Lights on.. and good luck
@garetclaborn
@garetclaborn 2 жыл бұрын
Ah I love this thought especially. It would be just perfect to leave us feeling confused for as long as possible haha We would be lightly frustrated that we can't prove or disprove our status as the apex and that would push us to innovate
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