Humans and Forerunners - Our Forgotten History - Lore and Theory

In this episode: We look at some Secrets lost to time and discuss a theory which may suggest that everything we think we know about the Ancient lore of Halo is wrong.
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[@didlybobidly9721]

In one of the books, master chief notes how odd it is that he instinctually knows how to operate certain pieces of covenant tech such as the wraith. Covenant tech is based off of forerunner tech.

[@ericpowell4350]

The Librarian wrote that genetic knowledge into human DNA after being forced to deevolve them.

[@dougsmith6262]

I think they called it a "geas". So basically the Forerunners gave humans certain instinctual predispositions towards things like developing AI and advanced combat armor.

[@bipbapthegrunt]

@@dougsmith6262 Or a genesong

[@northwiebesick7136]

@@ericpowell4350 exactly what I was going to mention... I'm pretty sure that Master chief didn't know anything about all that until the librarian came and fully activated the genesong(although he might not have fully understood it, even afterwards)... At least, I assume that's what she did... Another thing, the dude said first thing in the video that the didact(or whoever it was) was the only forerunner still alive, and yet, all life workers, even the librarian were said to be forerunner, so does that vision or whatever it was, of the librarian, then mean that at the very least there are 2 forerunners alive??? Or could a composed mind put into an AI for instance, appear, and interact with humans as described???

[@nick-314]

I think it was when he activates the first light bridge on Halo, Cortana asks how he knew and he's just like idk, just kinda did

[@thermalvision203]

So basically, the Forerunners are monke? Jokes aside, I actually really like this theory because it fixes a lot of the problems and inconsistencies with the current Halo lore, and adds in the ultimate irony that the Covenant were genociding the designated survivors of their gods.

[@minitooth]

Well I mean... the only reason they hate humanity is because a forerunner console said " humanity is to claim all we have ever built, no one elce is worthy" or something like that. All because the prophet species is so egotistical that they cant handle letting humanity take charge

[@taufiqislam8935]

"Reject modernity, embrace monke" - craig

[@eggburger5978]

REJECT HUMANITY, BECOME MONKE!!!!

[@charlesw5919]

Monke Aeternum!!!

[@ur-didact1991]

No, we made you monke

[@twojacksandanace3847]

"The Progenitors" 343 watching this video: Write that down!

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

Everyone One: plz no, don't....

[@poseidonetn.u.s.ebranch2610]

​@@tyvernoverlord5363 I get where you're coming from, the latest games haven't really been the best. But to be honest this isn't the worst idea. It just has to be implemented right. That's the only issue. Implementation. As much as I want 343 to capture the same feeling of the older games with quality. The story needs to actually accomplish something along the way. It can't constantly just be "Fight to save the human race" any story can get old if you constantly follow the same basic idea (look at Bethesda)

[@EmeraldEdge72]

Your theory is sound and I can sense your dedication to the lore and story. Have you ever thought about making your own stories?

[@thatlaughingguy2636]

Check out reclaimer gaming, he makes lore and theory videos, one of which, if noble 6 survived

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I've got one of my own, in fairly large detail, if he's interested: www.fanfiction.net/u/7240238/CaptChris42

[@midwestr3gul8r98]

Bro right? He should total write a book on something lore

[@thatlaughingguy2636]

Reclaimer gaming?

[@Installation00]

I am. Search for Fireteam Ares here on KZbin. My own creation. Enjoy! Its only the beginning.

[@DANEMAN5]

I’ve literally always been hung up on when spark tells chief specifically “*You* *ARE* Forerunner!” ... then was kinda surprised at halo 4 lol.

[@Kai3Music]

Oh, this one has an easy explanation. It's called "retconning" and "bad writing." The kids these days are colloquially calling it, "Pulling a Frank O'Connor."

[@centurymemes1208]

@@Kai3Music nice joke but no. forerunner trilogy > no established species with so many questions left out

[@thelouster5815]

@@centurymemes1208 Now THAT’S a funny joke.

[@centurymemes1208]

@@thelouster5815 exactly! like bubgie retconning themselves at halo 3 and halo reach

[@Freelancer837]

Yeah, it's because it was retconned when a different studio and people started working on the series

[@-eyes-of-static-8102]

Damn I got here so early that the Precursor star roads are still laying all over the Milky Way galaxy

[@ol6halodude577]

🤣🤣👍

[@VeritasVortex]

I could've sworn that Bornstellar mentioned something about the possibility of humans and forerunners being related

[@devkrovil9331]

Humanity and the forerunners were originally one race, but the precursors split them into two races out of fear of what they could become. Upon discovering this, the forerunners hated the precursors. The passing of the mantle was the last straw.

[@Freelancer837]

@Sus master sus The Precursors made every race besides the Engineers

[@music79075]

​@@devkrovil9331where was that said?

[@matthewjames6826]

Sounds very plausible to me even likely. But the past is a hard maze to navigate.

[@unscinfinity3337]

No you are missing one thing what if The said species were not created by precursors but was instead devolved by the precursors. what if the progenitors were as advanced as precursors and hence posed a threat to them so they devolved them into two new species?

[@davemccombs]

Or they didn't write it or left it ambiguous on purpose and you're all dumpster diving.

[@PJ6300gaming]

@@davemccombs hey man you can find some pretty good shit dumpster diving. I once found an entire server pc in a dumpster.

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@davemccombs aaand that aged horribly, Marty O’Donnel confirmed the Forerunners were humans in Bungie’s lore. Oh, and before you bring up Halo 3’s terminals, they don’t *once* actually contradict humans being Forerunner, they also have blatant lore errors like the Librarian burying the portal at Voi before it could be used to reseed life in the galaxy, and she also remotely blew up the keyships lol.

[@jaredbryant8297]

This is the original direction of Halo while under Bungie

[@hawk9664]

The way you frame the story between Forerunners and humans seems quite biblical. It's like Cain and Abel. Tested by God and when Abel is favoured over Cain, he strikes out against him. Chronologically this links up nicely with the already existing religious references and influence in the franchise. In particular Cain's descendants facing annihilation from the "Flood" and the building of an "Ark".

[@terpfen]

OK, that's it. I demand you force your way into the writers' room at 343 and refuse to leave until they listen to you.

[@amdkillaplays]

Sounds like someone is doing exactly that at Ubisoft

[@johnparsons7517]

Or hire him...

[@John2r1]

@@johnparsons7517 Agree and they should hire people with military experience to design vehicles and gear. If you think about it Halo is supposed to be us 500 years from now and their still wearing modern armor when we are working on exoskeletons for common foot soldier's today.

[@serlusacan3880]

@@John2r1 they spent most of the 500 years focusing on space flight and FTL travel witch ended up being slipspace travel

[@John2r1]

@@serlusacan3880 They honestly spent most of thst time fighting each other just like to day. While some scientist and engineers where trying to get off this rock. The UEG only took an interest in the scientist work because Earth was becoming over populated. Then we started spreading out to other world's. The UNSC was founded as a military force to deal with a civil war then it became the primary military force in human controlled space. In other words exactly what we have spent thousands of years doing already. Thinking of new and interesting ways to kill each other over this rock we call Earth.

[@Xavieus]

That intro alone earns you a spot in the writers room

[@BoisegangGaming]

Honestly, I wish 343i would call ancient humanity "The Antediluvians" or something like that so we don't have to specify ancient.

[@DCJMS]

pre Flood humanity = Antediluvian, brilliant bastard :)

[@chadmaple2411]

@@DCJMS he probably got it from one of the halo 2 songs antediluvian which plays right when Tartarus receives the sacred icon

[@DCJMS]

@@chadmaple2411 :o

[@ol6halodude577]

A fellow scriptural believer- fan! Humanity before the Scriptural flood (pun? fact?). God bless us all!

[@BoisegangGaming]

@@ol6halodude577 I'm actually nontheist, but thanks, I guess?

[@danielpoirier868]

Are you going through mid-life crisis? The first half sounds like it. Edit: Just finished watching the video and wow! That makes a lot of sense and would explain the similarities between humanity and forerunners.

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

I mean the fact that it has been said they are both created by Precursors already explains it but it could be that they were not created separately from the beginning. I think Librarian was curious of the similarities on the genetic level.

[@danielpoirier868]

@@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 That is true. Thought if Humanity and the Forerunners were created directly from the Precursors I do wonder what the original genetic template was for both species. And with the existence of the Yonet, I think this is how it's spelled, one can't help but wonder if the humans and forerunners were the only ones based of this template. However, if the two races did descend from an original Progenitor race, how is it that we have a fossil record that details the steps that lead to Homo Saipem Saipem? Is Earth the original home of Humanity and Forerunners? Or had the Progenitors that went to Earth got a little...frisky for a lack of a more appropriate term.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@danielpoirier868 It may be - though the Bear novels heavily hint Earth may NOT have been the original homeworld. Nor was perhaps Ghibalb the Forerunner's one?

[@danielpoirier868]

@@chrissonofpear1384 Then that begs the question, where is the progenitors home world now?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@danielpoirier868 We have little to go on. Though it was hinted the Forerunners destroyed their own home, accidentally. Maybe more than once.

[@BoisegangGaming]

Honestly, I kind of like having no concrete answer. Having this major gap in the lore makes it feel more mythological, ancient, and epic.

[@LMG1792]

As I think guilty sparks makes mention in a terminal video or maybe it was Cortona in legends some questions are better left unanswered

[@argo9721]

Yeah I would rather have them hint to it then just give us an answer

[@CrawfordPrime]

That would make a lot of sense, especially with how similar an unmutated forerunner and a human look so similar, not to mention the similar design aesthetic found in both species because if you look at CE forerunner and human architecture and form they’re similar with the angled struts. Also ancient humans and forerunner designs are similar it’s just the ancient humans are more organic looking in form but that could be from interactions with the prophet species. Not to mention humans and forerunners have similar anatomy it’s just that forerunners are much more into altering their evolution as oppose to humanity.

[@maxhydekyle2425]

The modern Halo lore is cool, don't get me wrong, but I think Bungie's original plan was much better. It was simple and fascinating.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

dazzle the player with exotic aliens and incredible technology, but then bring everything back home when you realize that these beings were chasing wonders our ancestors built. Then back around to the fascinating aliens again with the Precursors etc.

[@JGooden762]

This all makes tremendous sense and I won't be surprised if it ends up being true. That said, I'd like to add some things: On a previous video, I commented about the Flood kind of being the protagonists in the Halo universe if the Flood is a biological weapon created by the Precursors to cleanse the universe of life in order to reintegrate their creations into the universe itself. How since all beings die anyway and return to the greater universe that the Precursors win either way and how the Precursors are like Brahma in Hindu mythology - distinct parts of the greater transentient whole. That would mean that the Forerunners, the humans, and every other sentient species are only manifestations of the universe itself that exist only at the pleasure of the universe, ie, the Precursors. That would make it seem like succumbing to the Flood is inevitable, which the Gravemind and the Primordial's words seem to indicate. That would negate the concept of free will and turn sentient existence into a mere puppetry act perpetrated by the Precursors. What if, however, that is precisely what the true conflict in the Halo universe is really all about? What if the great lie of the Flood and the Precursors has been that they are the only ones with the authority to represent the will of the universe? What if the very creation of other sentient species opened up the possibility of the Precursors being replaced? What if the true destiny of humanity, the destiny that the Forerunners strived and failed to achieve, is to become a transentient race? If the true destiny of humanity is to become the new Precursors and take the mantle of responsibility not just of the galaxy, but of the entire universe, essentially becoming gods in the process, wouldn't that account for the Gravemind and the Primordial's deceptions? I think that the perspective of everyone in the Halo universe has been so focused on conflicts between species that they have missed this important point: the Flood will always win in the end unless one species throws off the bonds of mere sentience and becomes transentient. Only then could the Flood be truly and completely defeated. Humanity must be the species to do this - starting with Master Chief. I think the Librarian knew that Master Chief would need to become the first transentient human in order to defeat the Flood. That's why she granted him access to the Domain - a Precursor technology based on neuralphysics. Chief's access to the Domain will allow him to crack the code of transentience and become more than just human. More than any other being in the universe. And what better way to end the story of the Master Chief than by him becoming the ultimate hero - sacrificing his mortal and finite humanity to become one with the Universe - by becoming a god and showing the rest of humanity how to do the same? What irony that Chief would be the one to lead humanity into a real Great Journey where the trail wouldn't end in the annihilation of sentient life, but in the evolution of sentience into transentience? (I imagine the belief system of the Covenant could have been based on the misinterpretation of this very concept). So, the real enemy has always been the Precursors/the Flood trying to curtail other species from achieving what they have. I would play that game/read that book/watch that movie...

[@Kirostratus]

I believe it’s all but stated in Halo: Primordim, page: 336 “Could Forerunners and humans be recombined and reverse their shivering asunder so many millions of years before?” That being said, if all of these records were stored within the domain, and it has been damaged/parts of it erased/censored for the sake of intentionally (or even unintentionally) keeping information from those who access the domain, we could simply be dealing with an ‘unreliable narrator’ situation.

[@theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613]

I assumed that since Guilty Spark and the Gravemind acted like Chief was a forerunner, that he was either A, some sort of reincarnation of the Iso-Didact, the Librarian somehow was able to encode a program inside of ancient humans that contained the Iso-Didact's mind and DNA inside them, and those humans were Chief's ancestors, or B, Guilty Spark was so rampant he could honestly not tell the difference between Chief and the Iso-Didact, and the Gravemind calls Chief the child of his enemy either because he was a reclaimer and that's what he meant, or when he captured 2401 Pennitent Tangent, he absorbed all of the info in his mind and since Tangent was likely rampant at the time of Halo 2, that carried over to the Gravemind and like Spark, had become so insane that he honestly could not tell the difference between the two.

[@thewerdna]

I mean, the idea that Chief had Iso-diadact's geas is pretty much 343's way ti explain all the stuff that previously hinted that humanity and forerunners were the same

[@ol6halodude577]

It’s late and my ADHD- driven rampancy is taking over. So, I will re-read your argument after I sleep. Right now it’s too folded- up convoluted for me to understand 😀

[@theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613]

@@ol6halodude577 sorry for my bad grammar pal

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

Probably a bit of both. Master Chief most likely carries geas but they may not connect to Didact too deeply. Rampant 343 was confused because of this or just because he was rampant.

[@danteaghoulfromspace2996]

If this theory isnt correct, i think ill assume this too, very well thought out jeff!

[@charlescilek2281]

Now this! This is my kind of deep-dive, logically supported, insane, mind-blowing theory which keeps me coming again and again and keeps me excited for halo even in these dark, dry times. You’ve done a good thing here, Mr. 00

[@IceLordCryo]

This theory of common ancestry actually makes a lot of sense when you look at the scale of how much time all the events in the lore take place in.

[@punchline1279]

The idea of the forerunners being ancient humans sounds cooler than what we got imo. The theory you came up with Is insane and I love it.

[@berges104]

One book mentioned that Humanity went to the Stars and lost a lot of history of those times and prior. Even that Earth was the Point of Origin. I thought the Forerunner homeworld was lost to history. They did obscure the details of genocide vs the Precursors...

[@schwig44]

nah, forerunners knew which planet was their starter, they had to leave it though cause the first time they started messing around with stellar engineering, they were idiots and did it on their OWN home star. Experiments went wrong and the planet got fried extra crispy. That was many millions of years before the forerunner flood war

[@TheAlphadark]

@@schwig44 Yea thought the same but still doesn't discount humans being apart of there genic history. Perhaps they were picked out of humans and advanced in a way that push them to more synthetic evolution. In Order to distance themselves from genic cousins so to speak and to make them more technological advance. Would add fuel to the fire for there betrayal, They scarified so much and pushed themselves that being rejected made them bitter. Because the giving a task and the did so much for it and were rejected after it all.

[@schwig44]

@@TheAlphadark I see where you're coming from, but it was actually the hunmans who sacrificed to prove their worthiness of the mantle, they sacrificed 1/3 of their pop to the flood and it went away of it's own volition, so it could turn it's eyes towards the forerunners for revenge for the previous genocide against the precursors. I think you may be correct that they are cousins, in the sense that we are with celery. We all came from a single common ancestor, and I have no problem with a halo theory that implies the same on galactic scales for the intelligent races, even if that "common ancestor" is less of a progenitor and more of a creator (the precursors, they didn't reproduce a zillion times and become humanity or forerunners, it is rumored they breathed life into both species from scratch, possibly from a shared schematic/design [look into body plans in reference to biology].)

[@jaimevalencia6271]

I always wondered why humans could activate the halo rings but other species could not I assumed cause we were forunners like you said but 343 redacted that and made us different? Can someone explain if I’m wrong

[@Ghostvirus]

Generally this is explained as a Geas from the Librarian to enable mankind to become the Reclaimers. But like Installation 00 says in the video there are reasons to think that the Forerunners and Humanity are still connected in the newer interation of the story. I've talked about this for years on the forums, and Haruspis has put out a blog post or two on the topic which are worth reading as supplemental material.

[@OfficialFedHater]

Yeah, originally it was one of the not so subtle hints that humans were Forerunners, right up until Guilty Spark straight up says, "you are forerunner". And the fact that Cortana can just straight up figure out Forerunner tech pretty quick is down not just to her being a big brain AI, but because the Forerunners and humanity had the same way of thinking in regards to the creation of technology... because they were the same.

[@00Anon117]

@@OfficialFedHater Some humans even had an almost innate and intuitive understanding of forerunner UI. Chief if I recall correctly, stated that there was a familiarity to it in the novel The Flood.

[@00Anon117]

Early on I believe Bungie may have intended the Forerunners and Ancient Humanity to be one and the same. This was made especially evident by some of Guilty Sparks quotes in Halo CE, but they can now be interpreted as him referring to his past as a Human and to the Iso-Didact geas in the MasterChief. I believe the geas/gene song was even mentioned in a CEA terminal.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@00Anon117 Yes, the idea was in the original Halo story bible, then altered going into Halo 3, especially with the Terminals. The later Greg Bear novels re-open the door by heavily hinting both species have the same root origins.

[@eefer5416]

343 seeing this : uh yeah, that's it that's exactly it.

[@tyshingleton7005]

'The Expanse' on Amazon video does a fantastic job of portraying how humans can evolve and be affected by life in space or an alien planet like Mars.

[@l1teralcanc3r78]

Well, this is my headcanon now

[@beththomson1372]

00- the intro- are you ok lmao

[@christiangordon6198]

This makes sooooooo much sense.

[@MonkeyMakerMakesThings]

Humans: *Are canonically included as reclaimers in the Mantle of responsibility* Covenant: "So anyways i started Glassing"

[@StrifeA217]

I would still argue that the line from the grave mind "child of my enemy" is still a reference to Ancient Humans and not the Forerunners, reading some of the books and watching lore videos (lots of yours) I always got the feeling that Ancient Humans were starting to gain a footing against the flood before encountering and being attacked by the Forerunners. It was the war on 2 fronts that ultimately ended Ancient Humans, as far as to why when the Forerunners learned the truth about the flood they continued to attack the humans was because of the Didact himself. If i recall correctly his extreme hate for humanity came from the fact that his sons (I believe he had 2) were killed during the Human Forerunner war. So in learning the truth of the flood and the cause for the Humans pushing into Forerunner space and attacking their planets, instead of aligning with Humanity against the flood, his personal hate and the fact that he was the single highest ranking member of the worrier cast gave him the influence enough to continue the war. But.... I feel like everything you have stated here is entirely possible and plausible.

[@Ruiluth]

Just read Halo: Contact Harvest (**by Joe Staten**) where Mendicant Bias literally says "These are my makers" and the prophets respond with "Wait, humans are forerunners who were left behind?" Honestly I hate everything about what 343 did with the forerunners. They shredded all the mystery. They changed their aesthetic from the unique, austere, stoic monastic feel of the original trilogy to just generic sci fi glowy floaty bits. They invented all this history and characterization and story of the beings who were literally defined by being unknown and enigmatic. And on top of it, they stopped telling stories about the flood, which was possibly the most unique and interesting thing in the Halo universe. The 343 vision for Halo is cool in its own way... but it's generic and uninspired. It could have been so much more and that just makes me sad.

[@argo9721]

I agree with that last statement, like the Flood are so cool why not have more stories about them?

[@TikoPiko]

This encapsulates my feeling about Halo. 343i went full B-movie on the series.

[@argo9721]

@CosmosTF I thought awakening the night was awesome and it made want see the flood More So I hope they come up again personally

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Staten and O'Conner had differing visions, but BOTH worked on Halo 3 (and some on IRIS too) and that was where the seeds of ALL of this was first sown, including the separate by related species arc. And Primordium and Silentium both back up the two species are related.

[@evanceier8577]

You're talking about how the humans were initially meant to be the forerunners right? That was the plan originally and it's 100000 percent better tbh. All the hints about and all but confirmation in the original three, especially halo 3 plus the dramatic irony of the covenant trying to exterminate their gods

[@evanjmitchell99]

Should be noted that by halo 3 they were finally changed to different species.

[@evanceier8577]

@@evanjmitchell99 really? That's the game I felt that had the most insinuation to them being human

[@evanjmitchell99]

@@evanceier8577 yeah the terminals, specifically the conversations between the librarian and the didact, confirmed they were different species.

[@evanceier8577]

@@evanjmitchell99 maybe it was a last minute decision or something? I say that cuz the dialogue seems to enforce they are human

[@evanjmitchell99]

@@evanceier8577 possibly, but that doesn't change the fact that it was confirmed in that game.

[@Dododillo]

I remember reading in cryptum born stellar mentioning that some forerunner scientists believe humans and forerunners had a common ancestor. The librarian mentioned it too. I believe in silentium during her interrogation.

[@cobrajeff96]

Seems to me that H4's plot line suggests that the Librarian paved some paths for humanity. She was the one who imprisoned the Didact and turned his Prometheans against him, at least initially. She aided Halsey in Spartan Ops. It seems plausible she made it easier for humanity to interface with their technology, maybe as a last act. But I do agree with you that the 'missing link' hypothesis is also plausible. Maybe it's a mixture of both!

[@LtDavidB312]

I’d be sketching out a sign for a Forerunner-style whiskey brewery, complete with airborne monitor, if I had any artistic talent.

[@brucebane5043]

Installation 00: always sipping whiskey Me: “ummmm......u good bro????”

[@crazyscotsman9327]

He's just a man of class!

[@WASDLeftClick]

Functional alcoholism is a thing. I myself drink around 3 beers a day in the evening, but skipping a few days here and there causes no ill effects. Granted I’m only *mostly* okay.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

@@WASDLeftClick I was being sarcastic. And a single glass of whisky isn't that bad. It's a nice way to relax.

[@nathandomke2721]

The whole concept of the human race once being a vast and powerful space-faring empire, but that it was at some point "reset" by a more powerful conquering species, is extremely plausible imo. There is a reason mythology of "Atlantis" or "Lemuria" is constant throughout many civilizations in the past.

[@MasterOkojo]

I feel like I came to the same conclusions just moments before you mentioned each point in the video. This was amazing to watch and I love it. I love this theory. About the gravemind having a different opinion to the primordial about killing humanity, note that while the ancient humanity subspecies did not kill the precursors, modern humanity was guided by the librarian which might make us in some way closer to the forerunners than ancient humanity was, and thus the enemy of the gravemind.

[@Kebron999]

Now this is the content I am here for. Absolutely makes sense and flushes out the lore even more. Love it.

[@madcat789]

I miss the old lore, but you did a good job weaving both Old and New together.

[@Ikcatcher]

I kinda miss the Bungie days when Forerunners were mysterious ancient aliens that we knew nothing about. 343 having to explain everything about this ancient alien race kinda just ruined the allure of them tbh

[@markss367]

Well bungie did that first.

[@jeremybowers3181]

Amazing insight. So thankful for this channel seeing as I barely have any time to read the lore myself. Keep up the great vids man👊💥👍

[@lrn5152]

This has to be one of my favorite videos by you. So many amazing ideas. 343i might do an outstanding job with Infinite's lore but it is fans like you that should truly have a seat in their workplace.

[@midgetydeath]

Since the Forerunners’ original technology was given to them by the Precursors to fulfill their role as assistants, it probably was indeed far more advanced than what they could make on their own.

[@justinmarshall1444]

Where is this information located?

[@samuelpettington2241]

My mind is BLOWN. Your insights are incredible and I hope this can be investigated further :)

[@sekiko7183]

I still blame Frank O'Connor for ruining this franchise since his IRIS campaign and Didact/Library terminals.

[@Agora2021]

Yes, good old Frankie absolutely annihilated Halo's entire story and lore.

[@SonicJohn117]

Wow I love this theory. I felt let down when we first saw a real forerunner in H4 because they had always been so mystical, so actually seeing their species felt slightly underwhelming. 343's explanation of the Human-Forerunner war also felt like a retcon to explain away Bungie's original vision. I could never really understand why the forerunners devolved us out of spite but still decided that out species would become their successors, but this idea of us being forever being linked by our common heritage is awesome. The fact that we can use forerunner tech even without the intention of the forerunners is cool. I hope this theory becomes real!

[@InformerMaz]

It could make sense. Think back to Germany after WW1, where they were stripped of all military and given a huge debt that totally crushed their economy. Makes sense that after a war with ancient humanity, the forerunners would do something similar. However as time passes, that initial feeling of revenge dissipates, and maybe some realize they screwed up in totally devolving humanity. What I think anyways lol.

[@BuildingNoasis]

Phenomenal video! Very well done and amazing observations

[@MasonOfLife]

I absolutely love this theory and this video! Your video actually reignited the spark of interest in me again for Halo lore

[@playerdoodp11]

That ending couple of sentences was a funny and great way to end it. Lol

[@Singlemethod4217]

I love you for this!!! Have had this headcanon for the last 5 years

[@InfSoldier365]

Brilliant in its simplicity. Beautiful in its elegance. I find your theory bold and imaginative sir. Regardless you have crafted an intriguing narrative that renews my hope for the series.

[@majesticturtle7037]

I have watched your content for quite sometime but that intro just pushed me into fandom🤣 cheers m8

[@echo_43]

I'm way late, but I really like this theory. It makes sense, especially if 343 added more lore around it, but even without them adding anything it does a good job at explaining some inconsistencies and loose ends in the lore

[@freeflowme]

That second opening clip (chief running, Cortana narrating) with that epic music, hit me so hard in the feels.

[@wisedude4285]

Another fantastic video from my favorite Halo KZbinr.

[@ryanaymar9124]

I could have sworn, I’ve heard this before in a lore video. That the humans and forerunner were split by the precursors into humans and forerunner

[@netheretic874]

Same here. I think it was a Halo Follower vid maybe? I was certain that this was a confirmed thing. I've definitely been talking about it like it is

[@chadmaple2411]

I mean the prophets literally believed humans were forerunners left behind by the rings holy fire which heavily implies humans and forerunners at least somewhat related

[@markss367]

Post halo array humans are.

[@OR10N114]

Heck yes, I love this lore! Its very close to what I had surmised. I really hope that this is close to or at least becomes the actual history of the two species. It just makes soo much sense. I love your videos very much 00. Please keep up the incredible work. If I had some whisky I would take a swig for you but alas all I have is red wine so it will have to do ( : Ps: I had never thought about them possibly evolving separately over time. I had presumed that the precursors had split their dna after the test which makes a lot less sense.

[@WyoHighlanderDef]

The intro alone made me like this video! 🤣

[@btgmaster]

I love this theory. It is something I considered in the past and hope is what they do continue building to. I have also wondered after body augmentation to become a Spartan and the rapid evolution caused by the librarian how old do you think could live if not killed in the line of action.

[@stephenorr6636]

I agree with this theory! Great Work Installation 00!! Keep it up!

[@kennylynch9317]

The "more" section has me on the edge of my seat

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

Loved this video - many thanks!

[@Chazebrimbor]

This Is something I've thought about for a long time and has been part of my headcanon. Not so much all of the intracases and in some cases this video actually added a lot to what I already thought. Brilliantly crafted

[@midgetydeath]

In line with your evolution idea, Forerunners before mutations look extremely similar to a more simian version of humans. Also, Forerunners delved into specializing their genetics whereas humans either did not or focused on maximizing their natural bodies’ capabilities instead of mutation or guided evolution. It could be they were two sects akin to the San’shyuum Stoics and Radicals and had a similar separation. With two diverging views of both their bodies, souls, technology, and the Mantle.

[@albertcohee7757]

343 seriously shot themselves in the foot when they undid all of the foreshadowing of the forerunners being ancient humans.

[@markss367]

That was bungies fault.

[@sarinredfield]

I love the theory and it is a great way to reconcile the two different studios ideas on the forerunners and humans

[@lostguy2023]

Good theory. I enjoyedthe analysis.

[@sookendestroy1]

How about this one: The Precursors "created" both Humanity and the Forerunners... The ancient Forerunners held immensely more powerful technology than the latter Forerunners but almost all of their history is lost to them, all they know is that the Precursors were immensely powerful with technology far above their own and that they were wiped out by their ancestors whom were subsequently lost to time. What if the ancestor to both species *are* the precursors. We know they created new life, that they could shape reality to their will, could shapeshift themselves at will, what if this shifting is how they created new life. Not creating it so much as forcefully evolving themselves into it.

[@LordTelperion]

I very much love this theory! 🤟 Also (if memory serves) the books stated that the Forerunners naturally look identical to Humans before their genetic & cybernetic enhancements for long life, and whatever augmentations their assigned Rates deemed needed to carry out their specialized roles, would change their appearances to something less-than/more-than-human looking.

[@LordTelperion]

22:57 There we are! :)

[@midgetydeath]

Looking at the ending originally intended for Halo 2, Halo 3’s terminals referring to a special species on Earth makes our link to the Forerunners more clear. In that ending, there was a Forerunner device uses to guide our evolution to make us, basically, Forerunners or something close enough to it. The Iris comic shows the ancient human clearly not recognizing the Forerunners, the opposite of 343i’s portrayal of the devolved humans’ relationship with the Forerunners. These ones were probably the species chosen to be evolved by the device into becoming Forerunner or at least the mixed breed offspring of the Forerunners in a manner of speaking.

[@PINKtheory]

Great vid!😍😎👍 A lot of possibilities, leaving us with a ton of questions. Perfect for lots of games, books and movies/TV shows. More content = more "Haloverse" ... count me in!

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I largely agree with all this, and have taken it mostly as read (before now) in my fanfiction.net story. The one issue I take some issue at is if the Forerunners saw much CHOICE in trying to exterminate the Precursors or not - as Halo Warfleet, and Silentium, both hint that the extinction of the Forerunners was planned after they 'failed' the Mantle (provided many of the Precursors knew what it mean't themselves, of course) So striking back of them may have been about more immediate concerns than keeping the Mantle to themselves...

[@schwig44]

Very true, it is important to remember that small events can cause massive reactions, we see this so much in the modern era of the Halo universe, but very rarely do we see that lens used to view ancient events. Not everything is part of the master plan, some things were reactions to real time events unfolding, as opposed to planned strategy

[@jamesblackburn6139]

The whole wiping out the Precursors, for losing the title of Mantle makes no sense at all to me, the precursors told them something much worse, imo, to decide to wipe them all out, chasing them out of the galaxy, even when they didn't attack back. Could it be they told them there intelligence comes from assimilating sentient life, they told them they were the flood?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@jamesblackburn6139 Could be. I go with what Bornstellar said, and others, that they were planning to wipe out Forerunners, and that many were monsters set on perverting the Mantle. Although the new book Point of Light, skirts over any of that, at best, and seems fairly favorable to the Precursors - at least, as they used to be.

[@LMG1792]

A cool video again. Some questions are just better left unanswered.

[@andrezunido]

Great theory, easy on the Juice! We need you sharp and combat ready! ;)

[@midgetydeath]

Halo Infinite’s successor might use these stargates to connect the Rings so the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios can use the Halos as secure bases. With the defenses being fully activated, Cortana and the Banished, and even a powerful Forerunner battlegroup would all be nothing more than skeet being wiped out effortlessly.

[@Crazybay12345]

I'm new to the halo universe but after watching some of your videos it seems to me that the reason the forerunners were deemed unworthy of the mantle was because they actually understood what it actually was , a Shepard in sheep's clothing taking order from the wolves

[@V.O.Y.S.]

i always kind of had this feeling in the back of my head that humans and forerunners where related somehow, this makes a lot of sense. I mean even when you look and how the didact puts his armor on its just like a super beefed up way that chief puts his on. There a lot of similaritys between the two, even when you look at the didact he looks like a human that with a vampire face and his skin melted off.

[@Michaelanthony24680]

Honestly, whenever you make a Lore and Theory video, my brain just puts it all in the "canon" file.

[@mrweirdguy5249]

I actually read an article about this theory, since then, I have became convinced that it is true. Good to see you go more in depth about this.

[@chuckmoore8668]

Ok, I couldn't wait, for a minute there I thought you were going to connect Halo and Star Gate lmfao!!!!! Also the Chief is a New Type!

[@kayinoue2497]

I love this theory! Excellent video.

[@legendofbharhash1034]

I have honestly put this all together myself while reading the books so I think your right on the money with this

[@roninvsmith7553]

Well done man very well done

[@TylerJames-gf8ms]

100% agree. That’s what I thought when I was playing Halo CE in 2002.

[@isaiahkerstetter3142]

I can't help but think I've heard the idea that humans and forerunners are cousins from a common ancestor and that the forerunner-precursor war was sparked when humans and forerunner found that the precursors had split them from each other and the forerunner didn't take the news well.

[@Commander23251]

That is a great theory and would love it to be true! It makes for an even more indepth universe that would allow for even more adventures in it. Like for example what if there was a cut off planet that consisted of original progenitors?

[@willthethrill9238]

Very excited to watch

[@justahemi__]

But I thought masterchef was the reincarnation of the isodidect and guilty spark was referring to a personal conversation with the last isodidect millenia ago which was why masterchief subconsciously knows how to interact with old tech. I figured the librarian had colonies of early human go there to learn and maintain these sacred universal places after didect began his campaign. Besides that your spot on great pre game release lore research.

[@spiderbugbear3721]

You nailed it brother👍

[@a-aronjohnson878]

This is soo amazing. Honestly

[@mattmc9812]

Love the start up

[@Rhine643]

I love this video since I have seen it. And it make so much sense.

[@Slender_Man_186]

It was never really “hidden,” it was confirmed twice in 2007, first in Halo 3 then again in Contact Harvest, both written by Joe Staten Guilty Spark: “You ARE Forerunner! But this ring is mine!” Mendicant Bias: “Listen to you misinterpret. This is not ‘reclamation,’ this is ‘reclaimer,’ *and those it represents are my makers.”*

[@SovietTricycle]

Installation00 when explaining lore *Insert Gordon Ramsey.jpeg* Delicious, finally some good fckin whiskey. Also what kind of whiskey are you drinking? I would like to try.

[@twojacksandanace3847]

Honestly this is very interesting and while I love the other theories and would love to see anyone of them verified I hope this is true for the most part. This one has a lot more drama and intrigue and so much more flavor than the others. And that's saying something because the others like i said are also fantastic.

[@coltonsimms763]

Bro, the writing in the beginning was superp. 👏 Kudos

[@ethanwagner6418]

Not only are humans and forerunners probably related, but I think it's possible that many of Halo's prominent species are based on some sort of precursor design philosophy that favors bipedal, gas-breathing creatures that can safely consume similar foods. These similarities may have been implemented to encourage interspecies cooperation. Either that, or the galaxy is teeming with exotic life, and the Covenant species from the war are the only ones that can easily interact with us. I suppose that's the simpler explanation.