Disturbing Forerunner Practices - Lore and Theory

[@Bfizzle62]

You can't trust anyone that doesn't have a nose

[@turkishman4202]

Imagine being antisemitic.....

[@denniswingo2004]

@@turkishman4202 what...

[@AliAhmadi-bl7ey]

@@turkishman4202 i want you to google that for me real quick.

[@FranFyrhart]

Imagine what forerunner social justice warriors would have to say about that type of racism man they'd compose you, put you in a metal body, and put you in a cryptum for that.

[@turkishman4202]

@Ali Ahmadi its contradicting what Bfizzle62 said 😎😎😎 people with no noses arnt the only ones that arn't trust worthey....

[@Catman2123]

Top 10 reasons the precursors chose humanity to inherit the mantle instead of the forerunners.

[@eragonbromsson1122]

It's not like we are better than the Forerunners. Remember all the atrocities humans have committed in all their history.

[@dragoonprime9829]

@@eragonbromsson1122 no race is perfect. In fact that could be what makes humans more worthy of the mantle than forrunners.

[@omartorres5688]

@@dragoonprime9829 the staff that humanity acknowledges their kisses and tries to fix

[@Fourtytwo4242]

@@eragonbromsson1122 Yes that the point they choose US over the Forerunners. The Forerunners were so bad that a bunch of apes who still agrue that the earth is indeed round is a better option.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Well even though ancient humanity weren't perfect either and I'm sure they've made terrible mistakes but at least they wouldn't attack their creator's due to a jealous decision from the precursors. That and the forerunners have done messed up s**t to their own species and others

[@andreproudian7032]

You know in hindsight we shouldn't be surprised. These are the same people that basically caused all of the problems of the Halo Universe.

[@SK-pw9id]

they also created it

[@greenradiozone824]

@@SK-pw9id hm?

[@leojosevicaldoo7343]

Fair enough

[@Roonsine]

@@SK-pw9id pre-cursors created everything in the halo universe.... not the forerunners

[@Nyx_2142]

@@SK-pw9id No they didn't. Read some lore before commenting on it.

[@joshsquatch7474]

"Imagine being torn apart atom by atom". *The Necron would like to know your location*

[@ur-didact1991]

They are more shittier necron

[@ur-didact1991]

@TheBunkerBuster 105 If those Fisher man had a god emperor, it would be definitely didact, even didact don't have nose!!! And didact even didn't fought chief with meelee, just some super strong Godly telekinesis!! And yeah...the God emperor is basically a more than 11 ft giants, and didact is 13 ft, perfect match for tau God emperor....

[@nobleman9393]

It doesn't hurt as much as you think

[@ddandymann]

Tbf the fact that the forerunner are even comparable to 40k shows exactly how dark they were.

[@locoarticwolf2181]

I still remember that terminal cutscene were 343 Guilty Spark was talking to another monitor and was saying that the forerunner would be forgotten and the other monitor stated” We deserve to be forgotten “ and spark responded with “ Perhaps “

[@spaceengineeringempire4086]

So spark is the only human there saying. “You guys where really the worst” And the other forerunner based AIs “agreed”

[@tacticalmattress]

​@@spaceengineeringempire4086 No. You're completely misunderstood and have it backwards. The OTHER monitor was self aware. Spark is rampant, and compartmentalized. Literally just look up Spark's lore and actually READ it.

[@Faint366]

⁠​⁠@@tacticalmattress guilty spark is a human according to 343i canon. His mind was downloaded to create an AI just like Cortana. He even returns in one of the books and inhabits a Promethean as his new body. Look up spark’s lore and actually read it.

[@jtansell08]

Forerunners are like not my universe not my problem when generating energy.

[@GreatfulGert]

That just sounds like genocide with extra steps.

[@Grimbladex]

No life existed in a universe that lasted a fraction of a second. Time is essential to complex manifestations.

[@meowmeowmeow594]

They could've just spammed Dyson Swarms, but no.

[@DigitalDNA]

@@ericv738 I agree with you. Not only is it impractical, it's also silly. Having the ability to destroy other universes outside your own would hint at the possibility of time travel and access to "other" resources in those universes. Also, as big as the Forerunner empire was, consuming just a few of those universes for energy would have sustained their empire for several million years at a time. Its understood the Forerunners were assholes, but that's a borderline dick move if you're preaching the Mantle. However, it does underscore the Precursor decision in not passing the Mantle to the Forerunners. In fact, weren't they going to just wipe them out entirely before the rebellion?

[@InveterateMendaciousness]

@Eric V @DigitalDNA do you guys not realize that zero-point energy extraction from proto-universes is a very real idea in theoretical physics? it isn't made up, almost everything in the Halo universe is based on theoretical or philosophical ideas made manifest in real life, or at least inspired by them. The act of destroying the universe for its energy isn't what makes it disturbing, as in fact the universes that exist for the sole purpose of energy harvesting only experience relative time local to the inhabitants of said universe. Worlds aren't collapsing before the very eyes of countless civilizations, reality simply ceases to be within that pocket dimension. It's a moral question as to whether or not bringing a premature end to realities is acceptable to harvest energy, and in the case of Halo, it's hardly even touched upon, let alone realized that those realities aren't negatively "molested" if you will. It's a pretty common method employed in science fiction in general and often explored in a similar manner. Theoretically, our own universe could be subservient to the cruel harvestation for energy of some other race in a different plane altogether. It could be happening somewhere else in our universe by some other race even. It isn't ridiculous when you consider it's a real possibility, and in that sense i don't see it as clawing for shock value from a storytelling standpoint whatsoever.

[@LordWyatt]

Forerunners: Why won’t you give us the Mantle of Responsibility?! Precursors: *pull this video from another dimension Forerunners: ...*draws gun

[@cr90captain89]

ancient humans: *draws shotgun against forerunners attempting to steal the mantle* " I didn't hear no bell"

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

The precursors/flood aren’t any better than the Forerunners.

[@LordWyatt]

@@Nathan-vt1jznever said they were, but they’re the creators of life in the Halo universe. If anyone has the right to create, maintain, and pass the mantle of responsibility on it’s the precursors. It was not meant to be taken by the forerunners by force and their actions before and after the precursors’ decision verified that decision. Humanity perhaps wasn’t perfect but they were the better choice in the P’s eyes. Actually they were. They created life and maintained it. The forerunners created miniature galaxies for their power (like Rick with his battery in Rick and Morty) instead of creating new life. The forerunners had no intention of passing on the mantle if (or in their opinion When) they received it. The flood is descended of the precursors but it wasn’t like the Ps specifically made it to wipe out the forerunners like a weapon but rather for life to continue even if not on a diverse level (rather a unified one as a sort of culmination of Life rather than extinction). I suppose that could be considered worse than what the forerunners did, but if I chose a side I’d choose precursor (not flood per se) over the forerunners.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

@@LordWyatt I think 00’s theory that the flood ARE the precursors and their original plan was always to consume/destroy life as “sweetness for the universe”. I also wonder about the Precursors claim of being the originators of life in the entire universe, maybe a galaxy or even galaxy cluster but the universe is a bit of a stretch for me. They’re not gods in the sense that they are essential beings who created the universe and the life in it - they view the universe itself as alive and god (pantheism or maybe panenthiesm?). They cultivated and seeded life, but saw themselves akin to all life, with their own destruction itself being sweetness for the living universe.

[@christopherruiz6055]

The Forerunners needed their own Uncle Ben. They were not responsible with their great power.

[@siva4wotblitzhero531]

The closest to an "Uncle Ben" the Forerunners had was probably when they Foundout that them getting upset about not being Given a Galaxy-wide Leadership Role and then doing their Damndest to make that Species Extinct and then realizing Millions of years kayer that that Temper Tantrum caused the Flood to exist......Ironic that when they Made one Species Extinct they dammed themselves to 99.99999999999% Extinction Millions of years later............

[@quarkedbutt8711]

More like they need an Iroh

[@cr90captain89]

@@siva4wotblitzhero531 now that is the living universe biting them in the ass, the greatest part though? it proved the precursors point & justified their decision. humanity in comparison seemed like saints, granted we're not perfect creatures. but at least we don't violate the mantle for millions of years, aborting untold number of universes & killing our creators ( we will have if you beleive in christ) the forerunners hypocrisy is so high that they should look in the damn mirror. yes i know this comment is 2 years old.

[@davidoneill7554]

“I forgot the part where that’s my problem” - The Spider Prophet

[@earnestbrown6524]

Neroon: I was born Warrior Caste! But I see now, the calling of my heart is RELIGIOUS! Forerunners: Well you're a Worker now. Get to mining.

[@ur-didact1991]

Damn....

[@AleksandrPodyachev]

I see you are a man of culture as well!

[@koriuk5032]

IN VALENS NAME

[@mariusionita266]

Three words: Palace of Pain...

[@paulohenriqueferreiradealm1893]

I don't get it. I beg your enligthiment.

[@philliambillingsworth7806]

@Paulo Henrique Ferreira de Almeida The place on zeta halo where humans were experimented on by being infected with the flood, then later where the primordial and mendicant bias tortured them for fun

[@paulohenriqueferreiradealm1893]

@@philliambillingsworth7806 Oh, I understand now. Thank you.

[@OurLadyOfPunkz]

Genuinely sounds like something a Drukhari Haemonculus would come up with. ...Having said that...

[@barrybend7189]

Hyperion Cantos.

[@MrHat.]

Judging by their faces in Halo 4's terminals, the forerunners are humanoid frog people

[@Pigeon-so9ye]

Could even be just a race of Voldemorts

[@ArbiterofTruth]

Pigeon9000 you beat me to be it!!! 😆

[@Stratonetic]

Would make sense of that frog that got obliterated in the Halo 4 terminals.

[@PS-mw9cc]

They seem to have descended from amphibian or reptilian creatures, from a world that has slightly more gravity than Earth, but the temperature and weather of Mars. I would like to know what they breathe tho.

[@Anomaly-uz9pr]

P S in the halo forerunner saga book 3 the librarian meets the less advanced forerunners and they have mammalian hair so Idk if they are really reptile like

[@brambo3011]

I always enjoyed that dialogue in Halo 5 where Warden goes on about "humanity's arrogance" in regards to the mantle, it just so perfectly portrays the limitless hypocrisy of the forerunners and just how far gone they truly are.

[@felixtla93]

That's why I'm thabkfuk for this revelation of the forerunners than before.

[@Stratonetic]

The reverse stasis chamber is by far the most horrifying invention the Forerunners made, think of how many "experiments" had been conducted within these chambers, not just on ordinary objects, but on living matter as well.

[@Nyx_2142]

@Tyrell Suraiya Because that is what it took to kill that body. Doesn't mean that they never used it to age other living beings to their death.

[@Stratonetic]

@@Nyx_2142 The Lord of Admirals looked rather young when he had his men stand down as the Ur Didact approached him, but then he looks very old while the Didact spoke over him as he lay in a bed before he passed. Perhaps making him old enough to where he was at an inch of his life was his punishment. "But for all of us, there is a time like this, and for you, that time is now." Edit: Minor grammar correction.

[@Stratonetic]

@HaloLoreNerd Wouldn't doubt that all roles within the Ecumene had at one point or another used it, if the Ur Didact aged The Lord of Admirals as punishment for his crimes against the Forerunners and by extension, the Mantle, as I suspect he was, then the Warrior Servants had utilized it as well. There's more than likely hundreds of other technologies each rate had invented that was used for ulterior motives within the Ecumene Council. It's interesting to think about, there's so many ways you can use sunlight for example, you can grow life, form objects or even, use it as a weapon.

[@houselightkell]

You ever seen the movie "Old"?

[@Stratonetic]

@@houselightkell Yes.

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

10:15 The rate-mutations are probably the most disturbing fictional portrayals of puberty in science fiction. To further quote noted scientist and pimp Dr. Ian Malcom: “you were so preoccupied if you could that you never asked if you should.”

[@Delta-un5tr]

Geeze, no wonder the precursors didn't choose the forerunners

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Yet the forerunners whined about it and decided to just attack the precursors

[@joshdoz9234]

I can see why the Precursors chose Humanity instead of the fish-frog people.

[@The-Last-Prime]

This makes me think about how we as a species should be careful with how we go for the sake of "science" and technology.

[@logicplague]

Science is only a key. The problem is the same key can either open the doors to heaven or the gates of hell.

[@westernstealth873]

Science isn’t the problem and theme of the Forerunners, the problems are apathy, ego, and arrogance.

[@eras3re]

Deez Nuts doubt it

[@matchesburn]

"we as a species should be careful with how we go for the sake of 'science' and technology." Nope, nope, nope. You're drawing the wrong conclusion and moral. Science is the problem. Culture/society is. Science didn't drive Forerunners to be evil bastards. Culture/society did.

[@lillyalightbornexo1036]

Your videos are so calming in most cases. And the level of research you do is amazing. And the fact that we can take things from the halo universe as examples of what not to or what to do is absolutely insane.

[@necrofuryan5899]

Installation00: "If you wanted to be an artist, nope no artists." Me: *laughs in Soma the painter

[@OniLink147]

I have to say it was a bit jarring to go through this entire video talking about how evil / messed up the Forerunners are only for your patrons to be named after Forerunner stuff lol

[@Mobysimo]

The scene were the Station gets Composed is a scene I will always remember. It's just freaky and disgusting with the way the skin melts away, then the muscle and finally the bone. Plus there's Chief's reaction. he's halfway reaching to the Doctor as if he wants to help her but he has no idea what the hell is even happening to her. I always picted that under his helmet there was a face of absolute horror, because I think the only thing that matches what he just saw is the Flood infecting someone

[@barrybend7189]

On a more disturbing note. The Composer is literally just one part of what Star Trek uses for a transporter system. It's missing the pattern buffer, Heisenberg compensator and a means to reassemble the person. No I'm not joking.

[@windingroadelven]

The Librarian seemed so nice. Shame that she took part in this.

[@justin8241]

I can think of a certain doctor we all kinda felt the same about.

[@Jacob-dt1js]

Catherine Halsey did nothing wrong

[@SanguineDoe]

Without her I can only imagine that the Forerunners would have just wiped out all life and not given it a second thought

[@DigitalDNA]

She had to obey. But...ahem, *cough* Halsey *cough*

[@Jacob-dt1js]

ONI fully approved the flash clones Karen Traviss retconned that because she didn't like Eric nylund

[@Skumm93]

You know, maybe Abbadon was not wrong in wanting to pass judgement on the remaining forerunners who came back to the capital

[@justin8241]

Lost my job today, thanks for the smile.

[@solisprime2669]

Sorry about that but you'll find another.

[@marshallbeck9101]

Head up homie

[@TS-jm7jm]

@@solisprime2669 we're now in an economic situation worse than post ww2, and governments worldwide are only pushing to make it worse edit, but no go ahead and tell him things will get better

[@eras3re]

Tristan smith someone’s pessimistic

[@TS-jm7jm]

@@eras3re *realistic; in addition, presuming governments dont push to destroy any further businesses, now is curiously also the best time to setup businesses because the markets should be less saturated what with all the businesses governments outright wrecked by instituting lockdown, again presuming governments immediately stop trying to wreck peoples lives. edit, also to take into consideration is how beneficial this has been towards big business and how much money governments have thrown at them.

[@LordWyatt]

I wonder what would happen if a Gravemind was asked about the Mantle of Responsibility...perhaps it would simply answer it with the Logic Plague.

[@Faint366]

My understanding of the Logic Plague is that it isn’t some kind of infection, it’s merely him explaining his point of view in a way that so perfectly justifies his actions that no one is able to disagree

[@LordWyatt]

@@Faint366my point exactly. The Forerunners would have taken the logic plague as an infection with what happened to their best ai and its association with the Flood. However my point was yours, the Logic Plague wasn’t a direct cyber attack but confusing or converting AI with vastly superior knowledge and reasoning. It would take an AI being more advanced to be able to resist it. I’d imagine the Reapers from Mass Effect (or Skynet from Terminator) to be capable enough but perhaps I’m overestimating their abilities

[@thorshammer7883]

Can you do a video about how powerful are UNSC mac guns on certain ships both Pre and Post Covenant war since they now have Forerunner enhancements that would of made their mac guns even more destructive? Please?

[@symondsjoshua95]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/apWTdaSdq5h1sNU

[@siva4wotblitzhero531]

Well the U.N.S.C. Infinity had Powerful Enough M.A.C. Gun that it could Penetrate the Didacts Personal Ship

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

So the Forerunners were technologically advanced Barbarians

[@Lanay_]

they were voldermorts

[@ashtonchane6126]

@@Lanay_ More like xenophobic space fascists and scientists. But yeah, Voldemort is good correlation thou. They even like him to some extent.

[@Lanay_]

@@ashtonchane6126 actually it's just because they (Didact/Librarian) don't have a nose

[@ashtonchane6126]

@@Lanay_ Really?

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

@@ashtonchane6126 I don’t like characterizing people or things as fascist because that word is abused and is loaded with meanings that weigh down conversations and gives people an excuses to turn off their brains instead of tackling tough subject matter. The forerunners have built this aura of superiority around themselves and that notion was challenged when the precursors chose humanity over them. The Greatest Sin they committed was to strike at the precursors in the same shamefulness of the sight of a child striking a blow on a parent. The forerunners deserve their fate but not as much for xenophobia or these other notions that we struggle with today, but the shear childishness in that “I want to have my way” attitude they operated with. Its unbecoming if you take a step back for such an Advanced and Venerable Civilization.

[@onyx6763]

“Robbing a child of their childhood” man that hit pretty hard not going to lie, a very hard truth about society that some have to endure. But that phrase was probably one of the most truthful words I have ever heard.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Sounds familiar doesn't it? *coughs* Spartan 2s *cough*

[@terrainvictus1210]

So basically the librarian designed our school system to be depressing as much as possible.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

*bAsiCaLly*

[@nathanflinchum1153]

She did an amazing job then

[@pricture]

_"Slowly I began to realize that the bells and the confinement, the crazy sequences, the age segregation, the lack of privacy, the constant surveillance, and all the rest of the national curriculum of schooling were designed exactly as if someone had set out to _*_prevent_*_ children from learning how to think and act, to coax them into addiction and dependent behavior."_ _"I no longer felt comfortable defining my work as teaching things they need to know to a struggling classroom audience. There wasn't any class at all in reality, only individuals being shoehorned into one ugly boot that fit no one."_ - *"The Seven-Lesson School Teacher"* by John Taylor Gatto _"The introduction of compulsory schooling (done for children's 'own good') undermined the family unit, or, more correctly, overruled it, by force... Now, most parents put their children in school completely unthinkingly and often with a sense of relief that someone else is going to carry the burden of 'educating' their offspring... Forced to go against their instincts, the only indelible lessons this abuse teaches the defiant young are, that 'might is right', and that physical safety lies in submitting to authority's edicts and not drawing attention to oneself. To challenge The State is dangerous."_ _"Need we wonder why our society is under imminent threat of becoming a long-planned, police state?"_ _"The soulless, materialistic, pyramidal power structure is the same at any age and in any situation. Children, through lack of adult allies, have been forced to accept this abuse for generations. Now, the reality of adult abuse is upon us unless we rise up and refuse to allow the State the right, by force, to usurp parental authority over our children."_ - *"Compulsory "Education" - Hidden Face of Tyranny"* by Henry Makow

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

@@pricture dangerously based

[@cjthebeesknees]

@@pricture That level of insidious manipulation under the guise of something good is deeply imbedded across many aspects of our reality, this is why they call real democracy Mob Rule, why our Republican system is rigged from the start and how we have the illusion of choice in our daily lives. Edit: spell check.

[@StrangerE0ns]

So what happens when an alternate reality’s forerunners happen to break down the seen main reality to suck some energy into their tech

[@rajendrashetti2363]

tbh Their tech tends to target nascent realities. Not a mature one like ours. Think of it harvesting the body of a child to power your things because it is easier to do so. Disturbing but practical.

[@wolfpax22]

When I first heard of the Forerunner artifact called "The Composer," my first thought was "Oh this is peaceful and charming. Are we going to write some music?"

[@siphonicstorm7191]

The Forerunner customs always weirded me out. I never understood some of them.

[@awddfg]

Different brain chemistry?

[@shayminthedoctor9663]

"You can build stuff, kill stuff, dig up stuff, or heal stuff... That's about it" Yikes... I never realized the Forerunners were so... Boring

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Pretty sure that's why the precursors chosen humanity over them

[@specialagentgeralt9763]

And yet... Minecraft.

[@c.k.a286]

@@specialagentgeralt9763 minecraft is fun and exciting Under certain circumstances

[@centurymemes1208]

they are cursed by the mantle a wrong interpretation like the covenant

[@ddandymann]

Reminds me of that Rick and Morty episode, but instead of pass butter it's kill dig and heal.

[@ericstockham7009]

The more I learned about the forerunners, the more I understand why the flood thought they deserved to die. Or assimilated

[@madness0169]

Fun Fact: During the Composition process on Earth in 2557 when the Didact fired the Composer, it legitimately almost reached a range of 1,500 miles due to the beam being fired at high potential. Imagine the amount of damage and destruction New Phoenix felt at the end of *Halo 4* due to the city being a close target from the beam's touchdown point.

[@JMObyx]

1,500 miles? There would be no city left! No human alive for 1,500 miles!

[@madness0169]

@@JMObyx Correct, it nearly spread almost 1,500 miles from the Composing Beam's touchdown point near New Phoenix. But just before the beam reached it's limit, Master Chief detonated the Nuclear Warhead aboard The Mantle's Approach.

[@ravager2-636]

The installations they leave behind are Massive, Beautiful and Awe inspiring.. Well somebody thinks mighty high of themselves 00..

[@halostopmotionandreviews]

If the forerunners catalogued every species and had live specimens.... That means a forerunner has touched a chicken before and said "what the fuck is this".

[@tristanbackup2536]

As it sh*ts in the stasis field cage. 🤣

[@sampreece2916]

Quarantine has been amazing for me with installation00's and matt lownes posts every week Thank the precursors for content creators

[@RamenHutt]

The Flood is starting to look more and more appealing... maybe not

[@rajendrashetti2363]

The Floods are the literal Gods of the universe.

[@ur-didact1991]

@@rajendrashetti2363 the precursors to be sure

[@yaboithatboi4428]

ive seen what the flood can do and nah man

[@InveterateMendaciousness]

Pattern transfer and the idea of soulless endeavors in the name of sophistication and power reminds me a lot of Griffith after he transformed into Femto. Cold, logical, ruthless.

[@ArbiterofTruth]

The forerunners were worse than the flood.... 🤔

[@pastordonkoh7692]

why does the flood exist to begin with

[@siva4wotblitzhero531]

No shit,they literally *CAUSED* The Flood to Exist in the first place....that and them being so Full of themselves they renamed their Species as "The Forerunners"

[@jjankrom4398]

@@siva4wotblitzhero531 but did they. the dust that the precursors turned into was supposed to turn the precursors back into their original form. The precursors weren't in their original forms since they had evolved over billions of years.

[@tom-vf1xv]

@@siva4wotblitzhero531and then they solved it and indirectly caused it to rehappen

[@skullking2247]

I remember growing up and seeing all the forerunner machines and constructs and just being in awe of what I was seeing, I remember being confused and mystified at the thought that they were us and shared Cortana's vision of them as highly advanced and noble people who we can strive to become again...then I learned the truth of how disgusting and vile this race is who stole humanity's future and tried to remove our very legacy from this galaxy that we are tasked to protect...now I'm filled with disgust and contempt when I walk in their long dead and hollow halls determined to take back what they stole and crush any and all opposition to humanity retaking our place in the mantle of responsibility. WE SHALL RISE LIKE A PHEONIX FROM OUR ASHES AND BURN THE FLOOD AND FORERUNNER FILTH FROM THIS GALAXY AND BEYOND THEY WILL QUAKE IN FEAR AND AWE OF THE ROAR OF HUMANITY AND KNOW WE WILL NO LONGER BE PUSHED AROUND, THAT WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT OR VANISH WITHOUT A FIGHT!! oh yes just as the covenant have learned so too will the banished and forerunners...humanity has risen the reclamation has began and they are all hopeless to stop it

[@geranarthy2309]

Humanity first my friend, humanity first.

[@OfficialFedHater]

I didn't read all that, but I get the feeling my guy.

[@Ebsalom]

I'll pretend I didn't read that.

[@pastordonkoh7692]

in burning the forerunners we become no better and inadvertently fail the test set forth by precursors

[@aBANDIT.]

RazorEdgeLoki 1 read your name and cringed so hard RaZOrEdGeLoKi 1

[@barrybend7189]

So ancient human history can be said to be cataloged in the story of the Aztec 5 suns story?

[@DJenser]

14:55 I don't believe it was as extreme as this. I think there would have been a merging of the two consciousnesses that gave rise to a third. Some individuals may not have had a strong enough sense of self to avoid being subsumed by a more dominant mind, but the new consciousness was definitely not a carbon copy of the donor.

[@PandasEatBamboo]

Halo lore is the star wars of video games! Keep up the great work my man!

[@deitchj003]

I think halo is better than Star Wars. I love Star Wars though !

[@raptin1595]

Imagine having your entire universe being obliterated just to power a forerunner’s version of a smartphone.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

They're basically building 105G towers

[@RuthwikRao]

Rick was a Forerunner

[@puzzledotgamer5461]

what I like about human and covenant tech race is that the covenant yes being more advanced adopted the tech while humanity just became space faring on their own after being blasted back to the stone age. I think the reason why the humans got the mantle of responsibility is because they will adapt and over come even when beaten back to their weakest

[@AzimuthOnline]

Hot take: the flood did nothing wrong to the forerunners

[@superfluous_staring_8126]

Luke warm take: Nothing justifies attempted genocide

[@c.k.a286]

You're on thin ice So you better keep your takes cold

[@30cal23]

The precursors are the flood, the forerunners figured out that they created life simply to absorb it like ME only this time the forerunners managed to break that cycle if only for a moment

[@paihobbes8680]

​@30 Cal and yet the forerunner became the very thing they set about to "protect" all life from...completing galactic eco and genocide...twice...not to mention collapsing and syphoning energy from aborted universes. It's hard to tell who is more messed up...Flood or forerunner.

[@marcofava]

Can Humans and Forerunners interbreed? Asking for a friend

[@Pigeon-so9ye]

In theory yes but it would be extremely unlikely, hope this helped a little bit!

[@pastordonkoh7692]

i see i wasnt the only one checking for the librarian's celestial derriere 😏

[@deanschannel5394]

Audio Sugar can u try to remember that sounds interesting

[@avatariroh0543]

@Audio Sugar Actually, they do share a common ancestor. Both Humans and Forerunners came from the same species created by the Precursors, but their DNA was split by the Precursors to create the two separate species. It would still be impossible for them to breed without genetic manipulation and mutations, but I just wanted to point out that they came from the same species.

[@skepticalmagos_101]

CEASE THIS HERESY!!

[@inuboy867]

This is a deep vid, nicely done.

[@bradymenting5120]

I was under the impression that artists fell into the Builder caste, pretty much any sort of creating material things was done by the Builder caste. I also recall reading somewhere that the pattern didn't actually overwrite the personality, it merged the two, so it's more like taking on the wisdom of their predecessors.

[@josiahgarber3761]

I agree with this. The person’s consciousness doesn’t cease to be, the just gain the memories and personalities of their forebears onto their already existing consciousness. It’s still not good by any means, but the person’s consciousness doesn’t stop existing

[@NotSoSerious69420]

@@josiahgarber3761are you really *you* if you’re being heavily influenced GY your ancestors/mentors?

[@trevorcourtney4326]

What a legit badass you are man. Crazy good video. You devotion to be knowledgeable and then the ability to explain it back to normal people in a easy way of understanding, is insane man.

[@nickjones2301]

Depending on how you view anthropic principle using alternate universes as a power source may actually not be as inhumane as it seems. They may be generating universes that are always curved in a way that precludes life, thereby avoiding the whole killing thing.

[@Richard_Frost]

Fan theory: The reason the primordial was torturing, and forcing humans into the palace of pain, was that it was searching for, and attempting to render the immunity that ancient humanity had found, null and void. This being why the primordial was having the master builder carry out these experiments. It was using him with the intent to find the source of humanities immunity, with no intent of actually revealing this source to the master builder. Using him to the end. And then after it learned the truth behind the immunity, it continued the torture out and experiments, out of spite and vengeance against them. And at the end of the primordial's life, when being confronted by the Iso Didact, and Chakas/Forthenchal?(A little blurry on the spelling, but the ancient humanity lord of admirals) it lied to them, as it recognized that it was in a reverse time lock, and it's body was breaking down. Hense why one of it's limbs broke off first and dust poured out while it spoke to them. It lied and told them there was no immunity, because at the very least, even if it wasn't able to destroy the source of the immunity because of it's loss, it was still able to remove or find away around the immunity that the humans had gained, and then when the Librarian sent the surviving humans back to safe locals, as she seeded them, she seeded the primordial's plan. Making humans vulnerable to the flood again, but now with their complete knowledge of the flood, and how to gain this immunity lost forever. Or so it believed. However, by sheer chance humans were able to rediscover the source of, at least some, minor immunity. The spartan augmentations. Or more specifically, the spartan 1 augmentations. This is why Johnson was immune to the flood infection, and mutation process or at the very least... Immune to being converted by the most simply means that the flood used to infect hosts. The flood super cell... They could likely still be "infected" and have their bodies manipulated by a infection form penetrating their bodies, and puppeteering their bodies flesh, but not via breathable spores, nor contact with/wounds caused by, combat forms and, if they were "infected" it would be without flood mutations. This would also likely be why the flood infection form would have a high chance of being killed by infecting the host human who had this immunity. Because the body would still be rejecting the flood's presence within it, even if it managed to hijack the body, and kill the host.

[@rydekk-4644]

There is actually a more sensible theory, that humanity was in the process of evolving back into being immune. Remember pvt Jenkins, he was converted into flood, yet he still had control over his body at times. He wasnt the only one, even Keyes managed to override the flood consensus to warn chief, just as much Jenkins was able to warn the UNSC about a pending flood attack. In Halo 2, some human flood could still utter words in combat. The only species to do so. The only exception were the Shan Shayuum, Ancient Humanity's ally. In all 3 cases of proven flood infection, they retained full or limited cohesion and will. Hinting that they too had knowledge of flood immunity. Granted, in regrets case it was probably due to the graveminds wish to be that way. But both Mercy and Truth showed prolonged mental and physical resistance towards flood conversion.

[@Richard_Frost]

@@rydekk-4644 So a couple of things... Jenkin's infection was actually a unique case, and was actually given an explanation; the flood spore that infected him was severely weakened, and degraded by centuries, if not longer of age, so it was unable to fully and properly kill and absorb his mind when it infected him and turned him into a combat form. As for Keyes, he didn't retain any free will, and the only reason his consciousness returned to him at all, allowing him to speak to chief, rather than his mind being wiped, was the flood proto-gravemind that was being developed, realized his mind was too valuable, and would be wasted as a simple combat form, so it halted the process of mutation and killing mid infection, to incorporate him into the formation of a gravemind instead. Furthermore, with the San-Shayuum... They had no immunity at all, and never did, they did not retain any free will, nor even consciousness when infected, and as for the prophets infection specifically, the gravemind chose to puppet their corpses which is why their personalities remained in tact, rather than outright just turn them into biomass. It did this because of the benefits of keeping their forms intact had to the long term goals of the flood. Nothing more, after all Chief personally beat Regret to death in halo 2, only to then have his reanimated corpse attached to the gravemind itself speak and reveal truths only it had locked in it's brain... As far as Truth specifically, the gravemind wanted to make him suffer rather than just turn him, because he was both ignorant(worshipped the forerunners), as well as the one who came the closest to permanently eliminating the flood out of sheer stupidity and not knowing what the rings really did. So in short, it was pissed it was almost done in by a bumbling fool... In the gravemind's perspective, with truth gone, the flood's eventual win was secured, because humanities hubris would never allow them to fire the rings before it was already to late, and they didn't have the ability to create new rings should one of the array fail(Like how it would have, given the flood already owned the Arc and another 2 rings had been destroyed by that point. That said, Spartan's(Including Spartan 1's or Project Orion survivors; IE Johnson and the other sgt chief finds dead in the Library) are the only human's who in lore have shown any actual degree of immunity to flood infection, and are in fact said to be the closest to Ancient humanity in terms of physiology as humanity has come thus far... HOWEVER, with the newest lore added to and tied into the Halo: Infinite flood armors, and the short story published along with them, even spartans no longer have a degree of immunity, merely resistance to flood infection. And they clarify that resistance does not mean immunity.

[@shadowguy321]

You know the expanded universe talked about here in terms of Forerunner practises, or the Precursors. All of it, is so expansive and really so interesting to follow. The games are amazing but they are a bit confined being only set to small scale human-covenant conflicts. Even the Flood conflicts are not really understood in terms of scale unless you go into the expanded universe. I would LOVE a spin-off Halo game where we get to play as an ancient human, or an ancient Forerunner and see some of of this enacted through our experiences.

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

highly recommend reading or listening to the forerunner book trilogy if you're into this stuff

[@shadowguy321]

​@@xXx_Regulus_xXxoh, I've read them. Enjoyed 1, couldn't stand 2 until the final chapters (it felt like I was reading about a glorified hike in the woods), and loved 3

[@jdawgib]

I need a "the banished" Theory and history video. Curious on what your take is. I always love to hear your perspective. Keep up the good work.

[@jamestruelove-ralph3753]

I really love how the least messed up thing in this video is alien abduction and I really can't decide which is the most messed up

[@IFeastOnGlue]

The way you phrase this video makes it seem like you're giving it a double entendre, but less risque. I like it.

[@eichler721]

The Forerunner reminds me of the Eldar from 40K. Their own arrogance made their worst enemy and downfall. One destroyed their creators and in doing so created the Flood who killed them in return. The Eldar had their masters destroyed by the Necrons/C'tan and Enslavers. Then after the Necrons rested the Eldar where arrogant and let murder fucked a God into existence through their hedonism and it wrecked their race.

[@CylixTheGamer]

Hey, on your other channel could you cover the hammer of dawn satellite array from gears of war.

[@CzCorrupt]

In halo wars 2 a character known as voridus (brute) has this sludge he uses during combat in many different ways, it’s a black sludge that deals damage overtime but that’s all I really know about it. Can you please do a video elaborating on what this sludge might be? Thanks a lot love your videos man keep it up.

[@wraithreaper22]

Halo is definitely space fantasy. I see the forerunners as elves. Brutes as orcs. Grunts as goblins, etc.

[@AshtonCoolman]

Hmmm....if only there was another IP with space elves, orkz, and goblins...with space marines too 🤔

[@rylermorgan1258]

What?

[@Fliuck]

Ryler Morgan he’s referencing Warhammer 40k

[@FullMetalElric]

@@FliuckI think the dude was questioning the assertion that Halo is space fantasy. There are no Psykers, there is no Force, etc... It's pretty close to hard Sci-fi when it comes to human/covie tech and peters off a bit when it comes to forerunner tech.

[@skepticalmagos_101]

@@FullMetalElric Yeah, though there are parallels, Halo is more traditional Hard sci-fi.

[@nihilityjoey]

This was a great video. I loved this. I agree with every point. I've also been thinking about how the rings worked. I think it could be possible the rings worked on two levels - or two stages. The first is like this. Think of the way Merlin in sg1 created a weapon capable of killing ascended beings (extra dimensional effects). This first stage is when the rings fire, the rings individual effects are almost instant in destroying the neurological essence of the biomass within its radius (along the lines of a universal consciousness, or living time). And the second effect is a light speed effect that destroys the biomatter and is amplified by the overlapping wavelengths of energy the rings produce. Great video.

Great reflexion at the end! 👍

[@tomparker9757]

Hi Installation00, I hope you do a detailed breakdown on the Scorpion Tank. If so, look up Spookston on KZbin. He did a video called everything wrong with the scorpion tank. It might help with your analysis. Anyway I love your work keep it up. Your content is definitely unique and gives more detail that hasn't been matched.

[@seagie382]

He did!

[@angelwashere8864]

You think the 4runners liked toyotas?

[@OfficialFedHater]

Yes, they also like anime, but they only watch dub which is the biggest reason to hate them.

[@astracrits4633]

No wonder they didn't inherent the Mantle, they should've been using Hondas. (please don't kill me toyota users)

[@joshuaandrew1406]

Precursor are so far most terrifying living in Halo. Their origin remain unclear, capable to create a universe and filled it with life, and also they are creator of the Flood (if I'm not mistaken) as final weapon to avenge their lost brethren against Forerunner who was one its finest creation. They were either good nor bad, they are just in between as they're capable to destroy life as they judged as create it with new.

[@manywinters]

Precursors are flood few turned themselves into dust but got corrupted after being that form for too long, that's why the flood builds from biomass they're putting themselves back together but more twisted caused by corruption.

[@ArmandoEnfectana-bp6jo]

​@@manywinters,They didn't had a corrupted form, that is they're form, they're role is to give the universe as a living entity experience by eating some assholes.

[@manywinters]

@@ArmandoEnfectana-bp6jo yes I remember when I watched a video of his describing it, was interesting to finally find out.

[@maltahighjacker9842]

Its scary how especially now humanity in our reality sounds more like the forerunners than humanity. All I hear from those around me at work are dreams of a utilitarian society where you don't own anything and the state decides your every action. They tell me its selfish of me to think everyone has the right to be an individual and to experience life themselves the up's and down's that we as sovereign beings are not slaves to physically intangible concepts like social contracts im not opposed to people working together i think that's how creativity is grown and how life prospers in a society what im against is forcing everyone to think the same way, to act the same way, to live the same way I want everyone to be able to have a house, a family, a hobby they enjoy, a goal they set, a purpose they made for themselves. I believe everyone deserves to *live* not just survive.

[@attila535]

Glad to see such a comment. We cannot lose our humanity in the pursuit of efficency and the power hunger of the elites.

[@TheStoodUpKid]

What a wonderful way to end the episode. Excellent connection made.

[@bobwalsh3751]

"You ARE this. You DO this. This is ALL that is, and you WILL accept it." Yup sounds like my childhood.

[@Poodleinacan]

Damn... That's pretty sad.

[@ProtocolAbyss]

Average Asian childhood:

[@darkguardian1314]

Worst then being a Vulcan...😐

[@piotrwadoowski1280]

As flood was precursor way of revenge. Way that imitate the forerunners pattern imprints it's ironic and could be a way to mock the forerunners.

[@throwingbeef3524]

Awesome! Been waiting for something like this for a while. Also I really hope you do a video on the 'Janus Key', and the 'Absolute Record' because this to me was to much of an important part for it not to carry over into Halo Infinite!

[@mjkalasky2775]

8:59 The Didact took that stuff to the extreme when trying to make himself immune to the Flood.

[@PS-mw9cc]

Could you please do a video on either Forerunner combat skins or the Albatross dropship?

[@codegeass5847]

The Forerunners makes Oni look like a naughty child

[@Lanay_]

agreed

[@cjthebeesknees]

The ONI are falling in that same pattern of behavior and mentality though, just way more down the proverbial ladder.

[@dreariestcoma9254]

Really enjoyed the video, got a little choked up at the end. A lot of doom and gloom regarding the existential threats not just to humanity, but life on earth these days. For my kids sake anyways, I hope we can get past this great filter.

[@PureHayabusa]

"Striking with a military force so powerful, aggressive and unexpected that the Precursors didn't have a chance to respond. They hunted the Precursors to near extinction and took the mantle of responsibility for their own, then they used this to enforce an imperial peace. The mantle to the Forerunners meant that the Forerunners remained in a position of preeminence within the galaxy and forced their protection upon any and all life in the galaxy whether they wanted it or not." ...So... Space Americans?

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

No... Far from it, that is much much worse. Since when do you see the U.S. Government committing/conspiring to Genocide? Lets face it, this comparison is inaccurate, because without the help of the U.S. the world would have been much worse off long ago. That may change though, our country has seen it's best days decades ago.

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@Audio Sugar What? Thats only if fertility rates in an area are too low. How is that the government's fault, what are we supposed to let cities and towns that matter become desolate? Detroit became what it is today due to everyone leaving because of the collapse in industry.

[@zagreus1249]

No That is a really bad comparison The US will look like saints if you compare them to the Forerunners

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@Audio Sugar That doesn't explain Detroit. If a city, or state is bad everyone simply leaves, or casts an administration out with votes, and other means. No person is willing to let expenses get in the way of growing a family, more often than not.

[@MarcABrown-tt1fp]

@Audio Sugar Not much that a city can do when a city relies on mostly car manufacturing. Companies outsourced to cheap labor to other countries. Probably didn't help that the politicians there were rotten, trying to pilfer the stocks of as many dying companies as possible to sell assets.

[@ZigZacho]

Finally!!! Love this video 00!!

[@davidahgren9037]

4:39 Brotherrrrr, we get it

[@wiaf8937]

that conclusion caught me off guard. well said, sir.

[@DigitalDNA]

What I want to know is, what/how the technology they use in their suits allows them to live for thousands of years! Is that something humanity can achieve?

[@tragic_solitude7992]

I hope so.

[@tristanbackup2536]

Basically the suit is a placeholder to hold & store nanomachines that can self-repair the suit & keep the biological body from aging.

[@DigitalDNA]

@@tristanbackup2536 so nanotechnology.

[@DigitalDNA]

@@tristanbackup2536 i can see us accomplishing something of the sort in 1000 years. Unless the fucking democrats fuck the entire planet before we get there.

[@tristanbackup2536]

@@DigitalDNA Yes. Everything the Forerunners use is purely nanotechnology, the pinicle of technological limitation govern by the laws of physics. From a simple wall to sentinel, everything is made of nanotech, everything. That's why you can see say in Halo 4 with knights & structures "disintegrating" & coming back together etc. It's simply changing the state of matter/atoms by programming each particle to do this or that or using nanomachines to change & carry the particles into a different state of being by removing an electron or adding one or more, whatever. With that type of technology, you can virtually generate anything out of thin air by using those nanomachines to make say iron for example, it'll simply grap 26 electrons, 30 neutrons & 26 protons from the surrounding area from other materials & fuse it, boom, you got iron. If you understand quatom physics & the laws of thermodynamics, the fundamental building blocks on the universe, you can see how Foreunner technology works. So something more advance to say is tell a bunch of nanomachines by repairing damage cells & DNA in a body by making sure the cells, to be more specific, telomeres to be corrected, you simply add a nanobot inside the cell or DNA strands to look after each of them in the body. It's also how Foreunners can change their biological bodies to look like anything as well, painful as hell but they can grow extra limbs or simply revert their bodies back to how it was if they wish, hell if one wants to look like a midget or a buff athletic, he/she would by changing the DNA structure 😂. They basically mastered physics itself. Every once in awhile you want to get a maintenance check to make sure the nanobots themselves don't cause errors by their programming & start randomly self-replicate, destroying everything it touches into a grey goo in a worse case scenario but even then, that's they're only flaw. They're not immortal as natural evolution will do it's thing in nanomachines, extremely slow but surely from rewrite over rewrite, read over read will cause errors in the programming you'll never notice the change over thousands of years, most likely you will lose your original memory as well. The nanomachines won't do it's original programming parameters after that long, you will still die from natural aging, I forgot what it was called but it's a governing physical law, everything changes still, not even the Forerunners as advance as they are can't beat it. Hope it helps with the insane level of detail

[@wiledman2430]

I wonder if there are more precursors in other galaxies. And if there gonna come back to check on us.

[@ArgentWolf95]

If i'm understanding it right, the Precursor's Mantle of Responsibility was more of a spiritual one similar to Stargate's Ascended Anciets/Lanteans, but the Forerunner's was a system of control under the mask. So the forerunners: - Destroyd Universes, probably new ones, for infinite energy, hopefully not fully lived in universes. - Used the Mantle of Responsibility to assert their power as the sole Galactic Superpower, ending all liberty for everyone else. - Did countless war crimes on Humanity and other species that were seen as a threat. - Genetically augmented themselves in ways which we could only dream of, but also enforced a society that did not tolerate emotions similar to the movie Equalibrium. - Took pragmatism to a an dystopic attempt and enforced a caste system with no choice. Worse than what Oni did to the SPARTAN-IIs. - Stagnated their entire culture through a measure of forced invasion of the body, slowly, keeping the 'dead' Forerunner, alive. -Composed their enemy and kept them in a machine prison forcing them to kill who they want. - Exiling 'troublesome' ones in their own minds in a prison, until their body fails. -Catalogs were forced spyinging and archiving, reduced to no one but a machine. - Galactic wide extinction, and doing it like rebooting your computer. I think I can see why they should not have had the Mantle of Responsibility. Some of these were surprising.

[@rustyshackle8000]

It took me until this video to understand why the Precursor's chose humanity to inherit the Mantle of Responsibility. It isn't because humanity is great, or perfect: just looking into the Interplanetary Wars is proof of this. But it's because humanity is always changing, adapting. The Forerunners, by the time the Precursor's chose humanity, had all but stagnated. They were not worthy then, and they would never become worthy. But humanity had the potential to become worthy, to rise above it's conflicts and truly inherit the Mantle. The Forerunners became so obsessed, so arrogant in their usurping of the Mantle, that they only proved how unworthy they truly were.

[@spudnikflyover1227]

The more and more that I learn about the Forerunners and the Precursors, the more and more that I realize the Flood might actually be the "good guys" in the end.

[@Faint366]

Found the Logic Plague

[@RedVRCC]

My friend got me into halo. I really wish I could have it as a childhood memory like he did, but its still fun to relive his childhood with him and he often teaches me all the lore. Halo's lore is one of the most well fleshed out and complete I've ever seen in a game, only bested by dark souls.

[@Da__goat]

I had to watch this because the thumbnail is quite terrifying when it first popped up in my recommended at 3am

[@thefallenC073]

About the first part, killing universes… the character in my book I named after myself (the teenage one… the teenage one that isn’t a LITERAL self insert [as in literally this version of me, there are three of me featured in the book]) has literally blown up several universes… he had a good reason to do so though so…

[@ipwnedwaffles]

what an amazing video! 10/10!

[@_-_sinexus_-_]

I love how, if you dig a bit, under the surface Halo is even darker than WH40k. Everyone is evil :D

[@IronClaw613]

Imagine having your whole reality torn apart and turned into energy just to power a light bulb.

[@DigitalDNA]

Also makes sense why the Precursors judged the Forerunners unfit for the Mantel.

[@ThePalaeontologist]

The Precursors are evil though

[@Nyx_2142]

@@ThePalaeontologist They aren't. Don't know how you reached that conclusion.

[@Grimbladex]

Your understanding and misinterpretation of energy creation is quite unsettling. You are comparing a pocket universe creation to the actual universe. They are not synonymous. E.g if i created a pocket gravity well for purposes of energy creation, it would not represent our planet and its entire historic nature and the life it hosted. It would simply be a representation of its physical properties. My example would be that my pocket gravity well would pull matter towards it, I collapse that gravity well and the matter around it would return to earth. This up and down motion could power anything I required. This would artificially create potential difference such as voltage, the matter mass that I use in this process would dictate the amperage. Thus it would equate to power. You dictated that the pocket universe exists only for a moment. Time would be consistent between our universe and the created universe, so no life would exist. As it could not ever possibly manifest. My gravity well doesnt operate as a functioning planet as I turn it on and off.

[@sharkaspree8148]

Well it seems you’re wrong about the nature of the alternate universes HARVESTED for the production of energy, I’ll quote the Halo wiki, “Vacuum energy originates from the beginnings of infinite numbers of alternate realities. When harnessed for power supply, these fledgling universes are drained of energy in their infancy, resulting in their premature deaths”. What you misunderstand is that alternate realities are not created as such, they already exist, and the universes themselves are killed “in their infancy”. Regardless of your understanding of the method of production of these universes, the fact remains that all life that could or did exist in said universes is harvested for energy. You must concede that even the creation of a new universe and it’s subsequent destruction is just as bad or if not more ethically corrupt as simple harvesting a pre-existing universe, as now the birth of said alternate reality was for the express purpose of Harvesting. An analogy to gravity is null also because the force of gravity doesn’t entail or create life in the same way that an entire universe does

[@VSMOKE1]

The phrase evil preaches tolerance took me awhile to understand but boy do I understand it now

[@Korkuthan87778]

Idk if you mentioned this before, but can you make a video about Forerunner and Covenant production methods and how they design new things? I think they both use nanites and drones and also Covenant uses Huragok while Forerunners use more traditional droids etc, but I am not sure about the details. Also Forerunners are able to produce solar system sized artificial constructs, so it would be interesting to know how they produced all these gigantic megastructures if it is in the lore. Even the relatively puny Covenant is probably far ahead of UNSC with regards to production methods and volume.

[@depmaudoofal74]

Bravo!! Thank you 🙏🏼 Great content.

[@jm1443]

This channel is fantastic man

[@captinkrunk101]

12:22 sooooo the forerunners became so advanced they became ANTZ

[@omnipotentgamer6371]

Imagine if the forerunners were on the level of precursors technologically they’d literally be gods considering how powerful the precursors are compared to them at least more than they already are... And weren’t the precursors like twice as powerful and they still lost the forerunner precursor war?

[@MOMOFCJ6]

Look at his what did the primordial say