Humans Are Apes (& Here's Why) ~ with Anthropologist ZACHARY COFRAN

[@jeremiasrobinson]

I called humans apes in a biological anthropology class and some of the other students were offended. Then I wondered for a long time why they were in that class.

[@kinglyzard]

They were there to learn. But unfortunately it sounds like they may have come from religious households. Not everyone will get it.

[@jeremiasrobinson]

I think they were there, not so much for learning, but because of the societal obligations for young people to go to school. Then they just ended up in a class that they didn't realize would challenge their religious beliefs.

[@jeffreymcneal1507]

@@kinglyzard Dr. Mary Schwietzer, PhD, who first isolated T Rex DNA is a self described Fundamentalist Christian. She gets it. I'm a Creationist. I get it. Why does one have to automatically contradict the other?

[@rewq345faruk7]

@@jeremiasrobinson Its also probably because the word "apes" has the "ooo-eee-oo-aa 🦧🍌" connotations to it. I learnt about humans being referred to as apes in my native language french, which sounded absolutely fine but in English it seemed to need to be used in proper context all else people will get the wrong idea. This is clear when you don't see much people being offended at being called primates, but are more offended at the word ape.

[@kinglyzard]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 They don't have to contradict each other, and don't with the greater majority of Christians. But a small and vocal minority will simply refuse to believe fact over fiction.

[@helenamcginty4920]

Goodness. I cant believe the US education system. This chap discovered evolution at college. I am 74 and from the UK. Despite being educated at an RC school I cannot recall when I didnt know about evolution. Our religion wasnt a barrier to our learning.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

It varies a _lot_ with the kind of school. Many religious schools avoid talking about evolution or actively teach "intelligent design," instead. It's criminal, in my view. Just, my view isn't law.

[@zombiebullshark3834]

I grew up in Wisconsin and when the teacher taught us he always made sure to say, "they claim," in a sarcastic way

[@Musicwarmsmysoul]

From the U.S. - I did know about it from middle school on, there are a lot of issues with resistance against this idea, even amongst students. I remember having a conversation with a friend and bringing up evolution like it was a "no brainer" and getting immediate backlash from her about "How could I believe humans came from Monkeys?" I will not discuss the rest of the conversation, except to say it wasn't until college that this friend accepted the idea that we descended from apes (and I bit my tongue on telling her that we ARE apes, too). As a teacher now I notice that students at the middle level "switch off" their listening brain bits when they don't want to deal with an idea that pushes the edges of their comfort zone. Also, there is a lot to understand about this concept that I'm not sure they are ready to take it in when it comes up (there really is a lot of prior knowledge necessary to the subject). I won't stop trying though!

[@liamgross7217]

There a lot about religion in the US that is a barrier to intelligence.

[@barkasz6066]

Seriously. The last time I asked the question “if humans evolved from apes, how come chimps don’t turn into humans all the time” I was 7 and the very next year I knew better. In highschool instead of “I don’t believe this but I have to teach this” we got “While relgion has its place and explanations that you are free to believe in, in this class we’ll learn how the real world works to the best of our knowledge.” And I’m from Eastern Europe.

[@budd2nd]

We, humans are still apes. We share these physical characteristics with apes. 1) We have white sclera (The whites of your eyes) just like all other apes. 2) We have fingernails instead of claws. 3) Opposable thumbs 4) Higher brain-to-body ratio 5) Binocular vision 6) Padded digits with finger prints 7) prehensility (ability to grasp with fingers and/or toes.) 8) Reduced olfactory sense and dependent on vision more than smell. 9) foramen magnum (the great hole in the bottom of our skull that the spinal cord runs through). It indicates the position of the spine in relation to the head, and therefore whether the creature was bipedal (upright walker) or not. 10) Distinctive molar teeth in the lower jaw which have a “Y5” pattern (five cusps or raised bumps arranged in a Y shape) 11) Shoulder and arm structure that enables arms to rotate freely around the shoulder 12) A rib cage that forms a wide but shallow crest. 13) No external tail 14) An appendix

[@contempris2383]

GREAT* Apes. Don't diminish us.

[@budd2nd]

@@contempris2383 Lol 😆

[@heavyd777]

Nothing in your comparisons mean we are apes. Similar does not mean the same. We have fire. Do apes? Why not? Why are humans so wildly different than any other animal on the planet? There is nothing even close. Well, maybe dolphins except they don't have fire either.

[@budd2nd]

@@heavyd777 Taxonomy is ALL about grouping anatomically & genetically related (similar ) organisms together into family trees. Organisms don’t have to be identical, JUST very similar. For example All mammals have a gene (Gulop) that produces/synthesises vitamin C from whatever they eat. Virtually all mammal species 99% have a working Gulop gene and so produce their own daily dose of vit C. Sadly for us and all apes/monkeys our Gulop gene is broken. So we must eat foods containing vitamin C or suffer horribly. We can blame this on an extinct ancestor millions of years ago, who was born with a defective Gulop gene. That defective gene has been passed down ever since. Obviously this is not a problem for monkeys and apes, living as they do on leaves and fruit. But we humans must make sure to eat enough vitamin C to avoid getting ill & possibly developing scurvy. I take it that you would accept that house cats and tigers are both the same genus, they are both cats? But they are more genetically different from one another, than us and chimpanzees. If you accept that house cats and tigers are all CATS you have to accept that chimps and humans are all APES.

[@Mentocthemindtaker]

@@contempris2383 To be honest I think we need a bit of diminishing. We're far too cocky.

[@tribaltalker1608]

Anyone who has small children must have noticed that apes in the zoo play in an uncannily similar way. Watching some politicians is like watching gorillas facing off. We're a lot less removed from our ape cousins than we'd like to believe.

[@vitajazz]

Not quite right, Human behaviour most closely matches that of chimpanzees, including fighting to to be leader, and murder. This can even be found in the genes of chimps and Homo Sapiens. Gorillas do not have this gene and are generally nicer people than us, they negotiate leadership. Among all the apes, chimps and Humans are the most gametically similar, more alike to each other than any other two ape species.

[@jjnelson3232]

Why do your always compare America to your country. Get over the fact we rejected your way of life. I knew about evolution from school since Jr. High! America is a big country not a Island, stop painting everyone here with a broad brush , only projects your animosity and ignorance! Get over the revolution your lost twice.

[@johnmacrae2006]

@Tribal Talker Apes are similar to humans. I don’t think this means we were apes. If you follow that logic, then we were bacteria. Slippery slope.

[@WildBillMojo]

@@johnmacrae2006 err yeah dude, we might well have been. You might need to study animal classification as well as genetics an evolution.

[@johnmacrae2006]

@@WildBillMojo Macroevolution is a narrative that most people believe. To me, it’s another religion, one I don’t subscribe to.

[@annasalmans5523]

I was "educated" in several different Christian Schools in the US, and was indoctrinated with Intelligent Design and YEC by the Abeka and Bob Jones curriculums. I am near my 40s and I am just now starting to understand evolution.

[@WilbertLek]

Better late than never.

[@BillMurrey]

Can you see how evolution doesn't fit?

[@bellywood7688]

​@@BillMurrey what is an ape Bill?

[@BillMurrey]

@@bellywood7688 You know what an ape is.

[@ey67]

My religion teacher said in college that Jesus told Peter to come unto me. And then said go forth and you will receive eternal life. But peter finished 5th and only got a toaster. Sadly. So I'm really skeptical of that religious stuff. 😂

[@TheMadJestyr]

I didn't know this still needed to be talked about. This has been settled science for over 50 years.

[@johnmacrae2006]

@Michael Smith Isn’t it more like for 130-150 years? I don’t agree with “science” on this btw, I’m just a history buff.

[@TheMadJestyr]

By 1950 acceptance of Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection was universal among biologists and it is now widely accepted in society and taught within schools. Some creationists still oppose it. Among these researchers, Allan C. Wilson and Vincent Sarich were pioneers in the development of the molecular clock for humans. Working on protein sequences, they eventually (1971) determined that apes were closer to humans than some paleontologists perceived based on the fossil record.

[@alfresco8442]

It was settled in the UK (and most of the rest of the educated world) after the Oxford Evolutionary debate in 1860. The US is just so incredibly behind the curve on this. We've even had Darwin on our bank notes. The 'debate' still taking place in the US even now is just absurd.

[@42orloff]

What was settled?

[@johnmacrae2006]

@@alfresco8442 Oh come off it, our backwardness didn’t keep us from going to the moon (allegedly).

[@betweenthepoles]

Humans have always believed they are different from the rest of the animal kingdom. It’s only when you pretend to be an outsider and objectively study humans and human culture that you can see our similarities to other animals. Although our abilities in some areas may be more advanced, we don’t have a monopoly on communication, social interaction or emotional intelligence. Human behavior is especially mirrored by other mammal species. I always enjoyed watching dogs at the dog park and observing all the basic behaviors that drive the actions of both humans and other animals. Things like territorialism, affection, animosity, and jealousy are all on display. Human beings have higher brain functions that give them the ability to overcome primitive emotions. Whether or not they use that ability determines their ultimate actions. Using their higher brain functions, human beings can create a lot of amazing and beautiful things. Or the opposite - they can use them to devise the most diabolical schemes. It is what makes us the most dangerous animals on Earth.

[@marvinmartin4692]

I’m often amazed me as well as concerned me how little we’ve evolved. We are literally just hairless ape’s.And yes we do separate ourselves from the natural world! It’s so easy how that attitude takes over us.

[@karenheringer9397]

Very well said. Food for my thoughts. Thank you. Very intelligent summary.

[@jackvos8047]

What makes us so dangerous is that it's a handful of people with good intentions and intelligence to spare that create the most amazing things only to be corrupted by those of lesser intelligence intent for the purpose of gaining more territory or keeping hold of territory.

We have the ability to reflect, which in itself is quite extraordinary and unique. We are our own species (homo) while chimps are another species (pan). Calling us apes is pure click bait. Why not call apes hominids? We have same ancestors all the way back to the time we left the ocean for land.

[@musician1000]

@ Homo, a label we gave ourselves. And sapiens...? what a crock that is! Knowledgeable, we may be, but wise....I'm not so sure.

[@yoyo-jc5qg]

"If we evolved from apes why are there still apes" Because a few brave and adventurous apes left their home in the trees but the rest of their family stayed behind One group of apes remained in a familiar & boring environment, the other experienced a whole new & exciting world with different climate, predators, and food ... never looking back and after 2 million years became a new species

[@jounisuninen]

"Because a few brave and adventurous apes left their home in the trees but the rest of their family stayed behind" Evolution is a farce and a hoax. Evolution is simple like all fairy tales. That's why gullible people get fooled by it so easily. It is easier to just believe in a slow "step by step by step" anatomical transformation during millions of years, than to start examining how it could be genetically possible. Modern science has revealed it's not genetically possible! Evolution would need changes in the body plan of a given species. The body plan however is existing in the ovum so it can't be affected by mutations. The only changes that can happen appear in the gene recombination as it does produce variation in the offspring, but no new body plan. Evolution has become a worthless theory, based over 160 years ago on Charles Darwin's combined atheism and ignorance. Today we know there is very little science in it. It is taught in schools only because the evolutionist researchers want to keep their scholarships, want to keep their bursaries and don't want to lose their face. Evolution theory was invented by a man who had never heard of genes, thermodynamics or information science. Mutations bringing new genetic information is an absurd theory, not proved by any scientific method. “Because no scientist can show how Darwin’s mechanism can produce the complexity of life, every scientist should be skeptical,” said biologist Douglas Axe, director of Biologic Institute.“ evolutionnews.org/2019/02/skepticism-about-darwinian-evolution-grows-as-1000-scientists-share-their-doubts/

[@matane2465]

That's like saying, "If dogs came from Wolves, why are there still Wolves?"

[@charlessarver1637]

Humans are still evolving. We haven't stopped

[@Naomi-xu4hq]

Europeans are the ultimate evolution of man

[@WilbertLek]

@@Naomi-xu4hq: "Europeans are the ultimate evolution of man" Keep reaffirming the stereotype of 'dumb blonde'...

[@bellywood7688]

Like everything really

[@bellywood7688]

What about this though - are we shaping our own evolution?

[@suatustel746]

Granted what you said but still looking the missing link actual transition has not Been confirmed yet????

[@joecaner]

My first reaction to the notion that apes are closely related is, *"Is this even a controversy?"* Then I have to remember that young earth creationists would dispute this observation. Ideally, observation informs belief, but often, belief informs observation. The latter is more pervasive than one would hope and it is not restricted to creationists.

[@WilbertLek]

"The latter is more pervasive than one would hope and it is not restricted to creationists." Only with those whose ignorance level is over 9000.

[@BillMurrey]

I agree that "observation informs belief, but often, belief informs observation", just look at evolution, no evidence for it, but people are all the time going on about "mountains of evidence for it". And there's just not any.

[@kinglyzard]

It's extremely humbling to admit that we are animals as well as every other animal on this planet. Even with the truth staring right at us, thru the eyes of Harambe, Koko, Snowflake, and so many others, people tend to put themselves on high pedestals with captions reading "Made In The Image Of God" It makes them feel special. TBH, I don't know what separates us from the rest of the herd. But I do know that there are far more similarities between us and our nonhuman cousins than there are differences.

[@kinglyzard]

@@BillMurrey Look around you. Evidence is literally everywhere. You just have to know what to look for. That means knowing at least something about evolution. I suggest you pick up a book or two before posting stupid shit on YT. No, not THAT book...

[@joecaner]

​@@kinglyzard And one of those similarities may be that other animals are also "Made In The Image Of God" Anyone who has experienced a relationship with a pet would be hard pressed to deny that there exists a connection to a kindred consciousness in many of those relationships. Claims of anthropomorphism do not explain away those experiences.

[@andacomfeeuvou]

Thanks guys, I've always made a huge effort to look human, now I can finally relax.

[@tedbundy2268]

😂😂😂

[@gspaulsson]

"If humans were descended from apes, why are there still apes?" is like asking "If you are your father's son, why is your father still alive?"

[@thomascross8318]

I agree, I have always thought that it was one of the dumbest questions ever asked.

[@WilbertLek]

If Americans are from Europe, why are there still Europeans?....

[@WilbertLek]

If there are airplanes with piston engines, why are there still cars?...

[@bobs182]

Those people don't think we are apes and that evolution says we descended from present day nonhuman apes.

[@doogarharz2175]

Your analogy is like, "apes gave birth to human beings immediately after gestation." Your analogy refutes evolution.

[@patriciadonovan4829]

I can't fathom why people object be being called apes. If you really mess up, saying "I'm just an ape" is a much better excuse than "I'm only human"!

[@laus7504]

But I love that 80's classic song! "I'm only human, of flesh and blood a man (actually woman)"

[@rozzgrey801]

@@laus7504 It's Only Human by the Human League and it goes; "Of flesh and blood I'm made."

[@laus7504]

@@rozzgrey801 How embarrassing I've been singing the wrong lyrics to one of my favorite songs! Best go back to the Jungle Book. Where an ape like me can learn to be human too!

[@stevepierce6467]

I am proud to be part of the great Ape family. Most apes are far nobler than most humans.

[@tohaason]

I've argued in other comments that there's nothing wrong in calling humans apes, but to be fair, what we are are primates. Part of the hominin lineage. And apes are also primates. Homo vs Pan.

[@quantumcat7673]

Yes indeed, we are apes. The problem is that the most ignorant of us, perhaps the majority, think that we are some sort of half-god and that we really start to live only when we die! Truthfulness is but a dream as far as humans are concerned.

[@BillMurrey]

No indeed, we are not apes. If You want to be an ape, you go right ahead.

[@unclescipio3136]

@@BillMurrey the people who actually know what apes are say we're apes. Seethe and cope all you want, it doesn't change the truth.

[@monteclark1115]

@@BillMurrey are you one of kent Hovands flunkies?

[@BillMurrey]

@@monteclark1115 No. We may have some beliefs that are the same.

[@BillMurrey]

@@unclescipio3136 So you're just taking their word for it? Doesn't seem to scientific. I'm not seething about it, I know I'm not an ape. If you want to call yourself an ape knock yourself out, but don't go saying that everybody is an ape because it's not true. These "people", who you didn't name, and you, have a worldview where you purposely exclude God. You don't want Him in your life, no matter what the evidence says you wouldn't accept it. Look up Romans 1:18-25, you can do it right on google.

[@MartinLaforce]

It's shocking to me how few people not only do not understand that we are apes but outright refuse to acknowledge that we are.

[@youtubebane7036]

It's shocking to me that anybody would think they are an ape when they are human what do they evolve from? A monkey an amoeba a , Rock? An atom a particle and idea God? It doesn't matter because whatever it was you evolve from your not that anymore. Every single life form on this planet evolve from at least one universally shared. At one point every single thing on this planet but can find its origin so you say we are Apes I say we are that whatever that was because that is more fundamental and it was first so why would we be able from that is just something on this on the way to where we're at. I would say the beginning and the end of the journey are the most important part as far as completing the journey goes.. if you just like the travels and go ahead to be neighbors you want that's the beauty of life we will. But if you're a guy, you can't be a girl no matter how much of your junk you have cutoff, that'll never happen.

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

@@youtubebane7036 Ever notice how so many creationist posters can not write a literate complete sentence?

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

​@@cedarwaxwing3509 💯👍

[@BlackHippy313]

​@@youtubebane7036 yes we are human but ee are a subspecies of ape. Its very much like how dogs and wolves are in same species but dogs are subspecies of a wolf. You can very much be your own thing and be related too something

[@youtubebane7036]

@@BlackHippy313 yes and we are also mammals and at one time we were lizards and we still have part of the brain from that. That another time we were a single celled organism. All life is interrelated and there's certain points point that you come to that I basically transcendental point where you evolve into something completely different from what you were before. It happened when we went from being a particle in turned into an atom and then it happened again when we turned into a molecule. It happened again when turned into a protein or a carbohydrate and then a single cell organism. Can apes read or write? Do they have meaningful language? And no I don't mean if you basic sounds and grunts that communicate affirmative or negative I mean a real language? Can they do it dance mathematics or physics? Can you drive a car or play football? So we were at one time a form that is related to in part of the primate family specifically the large Apes. Didn't we were at one time reptiles. And we were a fish before that and before that we were an invertebrate so on and so forth. Our differences that we have with the apes and primates and stuff are not primarily physical differences. And they're also the same differences that we have from all other animal species because all other animal species belong to the Animal Kingdom and there is no highly-evolved super intelligent form of animal with Advanced consciousness civilization and culture like we have. So as far as these things go apes are far more like their fellow animals then they are like humans. What I mean is it is our non-physical gifts that give us our humanity and make us different from apes that's why we aren't eight anymore humans are evolved to get beans with high intelligence culture civilization and Technology. There's not 18 species that's even close to us as far as this goes not one in fact there's not even one form of life on this planet that's close to us as far as it goes. Because being a human is one step above the animal kingdom.. we are the optimal form of self-aware cgtn for this type of living environment. We are basically the first stage of humanoid type Advanced existence I don't know how far this stage extends to the physical universe but I know it's skills through the non-physical and spiritual kind of like soda where the next level of evolution after man would be Celestial unless you talking about non-surgical then it would be angels are angelic are the lowest forms of angelic creatures that are higher than man. In a physical sent the next highest form of life would be planets and then Stars. It's funny because you guys think you're so important with your little theory of evolution and stuff but you just so smart will good for you. But little buddy I just have to tell you something I hope this don't come as a shock my little buddy but every single thing in existence is in a constant state of flux meaning it is constantly evolving. The physical Evolution that you see here in this universe is only mirroring the true Evolution that's happening in the energetic field of Mind and Spirit and Consciousness and creation that better really evolving. All beans work their way up friend that Tomic Kingdom to the mineral Kingdom to the vegetable Kingdom to the Animal Kingdom into the kingdom of man before we are free to graduate from Earth and go on to more bigger things. So now we are not Apes we are humans by way of apes and whatever mysterious contributor gave us the ability to create Rh negative blood factors in our offsprings DNA. God bless you and if you're an atheist that means look in the mirror

[@shanegates678]

Such a shame we have to convince people of this fact ..and that we are not a creation of an omnipotent sky wizard.

[@joshuaracey7967]

If there is no existence beyond death, why does any of this matter anyway?

[@shanegates678]

@Joshua Racey it doesn't matter. We only make it matter because we have egos. Without meaning, we have existential crisis purely based on our evolved survival intelligence. We also use that intelligence to invent stories where we live forever and under an omnipotent judicial system because who wants to live forever with injustices. Basically, religion is a coping mechanism because we're so smart. But like the training wheels on a bike that make us feel safe, we need to move past it to really progress.

[@flunkiebubs2002]

@@joshuaracey7967 Because we determine our own worth.

[@joshuaracey7967]

That makes it sounds imaginary.

[@shanegates678]

@Joshua Racey it's a function of our survival only. Our family rely on us and we rely on them, like any group of animals. But it stops there.

[@stevemitchell4241]

At seven years old when I was visiting the zoo with my family, I took one look at the monkeys and was sure that that was “the way we used to look.”

[@WilbertLek]

That's exactly what I had.

[@raysalmon6566]

of course the apes were in the family album

[@BillMurrey]

Then you are really selling yourself way short by doing that. You are the apex of God's creation. You have great value and worth because you are made in His image. You are the only creature that can talk to the Creator, He made you for that purpose, and I can pretty much guarantee that He misses hearing from you.

[@BillMurrey]

@@WilbertLek Then you are really selling yourself way short by doing that. You are the apex of God's creation. You have great value and worth because you are made in His image. You are the only creature that can talk to the Creator, He made you for that purpose, and I can pretty much guarantee that He misses hearing from you.

[@WilbertLek]

@@raysalmon6566 Awww, 2 face, still too humble to accept reality after a decade of being explained things he doesn't want to listen to.

[@rach_bot]

We have Gibbons at our zoo. I was shocked to see them running around on 2 legs, AND the way they ran looked exactly the same as the way my daughter used to run when she was 2, arms up in the air and all. It made me think Gibbons must be very similar to what our ancestors way back must have been like.

[@jounisuninen]

That's typical Darwinism, forgetting the genome. Darwin knew nothing of genes and the Neo-Darwinists seem to be as ignorant. "Because we have somewhat similar outward features we must be relatives." 😃 The decisive genetic differences are found in the DNA parts that code the body plan. The genetic difference between apes and man is huge in that DNA section. In addition, apes and men have different orphan genes and different singletons. Every species has its own orphan genes and singletons and they go only within the family line only. If we stay within the limits of science we must admit that apes and humans can not be related species.

[@angelmoreno6577]

Yes, but we have a common ancestry with theys (gibon, chimp, gorilla and orangutan)

[@rockysalvatore435]

​@@jounisuninenthese guys are low IQ pretentious libs. They ego feed on being in "awe" which is humbling yourself by diminishment LMAO. Look at the way they talk and how they try make things bigger than what it is it find a poetic beauty. All that yet so scared to accept possibility of a creator

[@alfresco8442]

@@jounisuninen Funny you should mention the genome, because the endogenous retroviruses lodged in it are proof positive of our common ancestry with the other apes. Common identical viral damage in common identical positions in the genome; and across multiple species can have no other explanation than that of a common ancestor who passed on that damage to all subsequent branches. Try harder than quoting nonsense from the Creationist handbook.

[@Slapnuts9627]

​@@jounisuninen You just made that shut up lmao delusional. Humans are apes, cope with that. We're flakes in an infinite void, we're basically chimps with AKs.

[@starscreamapologist3003]

Omg I took two classes on hominid evolution with Dr. Cofran, and they were some of the best classes I took in college!

[@thaddeusramos3543]

Black Magic Science SOLD to PINHEADS!

[@lrvogt1257]

@@thaddeusramos3543 : Evolution is the theory that DOESN'T rely on magic AKA the supernatural.... for which there is zero evidence.

[@degaussingatmosphericcharg575]

@@thaddeusramos3543 Science ain't magic pinhead! Time to educate yourself..

[@Psalm1101]

​@@thaddeusramos3543complicated subject when life has not been made in the lab not even ribosomes as UK lee Cronin can't do in fact can't have evolution until we know how life started protolife scientist lee Cronin said

[@DianneBaldwin-b6b]

Sciences everything in science is our proof that's why we know where we really came from from Evolution and climate change and of course we're from apes and monkeys were certainly not from god they haven't shown any proof of any of that only the Bible that man wrote not scientific fact that scientists have dug up and found find God and I'll believe it I do believe in UFOs they've always been there

[@johnshields6852]

In July of 1981 my son was born, 2 months later we brought him to Dr for checkup, this Dr was very intelligent, ahead of his time, he say my son down on the table and put his thumbs in my son's palms and rubbed them slightly, then quickly pulled his arms up and swung my son back and forth, to my astonishment my son hung on like a trapeze artist, he swung him for maybe 10 seconds, I was almost in shock, it was fascinating, anyone with babies knows how strong their grips are, but this was the craziest thing I've ever seen, there's no question that babies have the ability, instinctively to hang on. Draw your own conclusions.

[@ErgoCogita]

Of course we are apes. You cannot biologically define an ape without including us.

[@garethbaus5471]

You can literally walk through the different species and compare when we diverged based on genetic differences and very few apes are more closely related to another non human ape species than they are to humans.

[@jounisuninen]

There is no scientifically proven evolution. Reference: @araeshkigal "oh here we go, I do not know your background but my University time was spent as an understudy of a geneticist and behavioral psychologist. We studied and mutated hooded rats and more importantly to this discussion, fruit flies. The university had logged 10's of thousands maybe a 100 thousand life spans of the flies and we could at will, make Siamese flies, green eyed flies, single set wing flies, wingless flies and could even change their behavior. All the mutant variants you could imagine. But try as we might they always stayed fruit flies."

[@ErgoCogita]

@@jounisuninen The takeaway: I never saw a fruit fly become not a fruit fly within 2 whole decades so evolution is fake..🙄😆

[@FlipSideCT]

Nothing wrong with science. great insight. thank you. got some questions answered. thank you

[@jeffreymcneal1507]

Science can be taken blindly, like religion, and be used to support any fallacy or truth with equal blindness. The two are not necessarily exclusive. Science lends itself to measurement, the soul does not.

[@kinglyzard]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 Any tool used wrongly will yield poor results. Science is no different.

[@charlessarver1637]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 but less likely than with religion though. I'll take science over religion any day

[@charlessarver1637]

Of course there's nothing wrong with science. It's the persuit of actual truth unlike the fantasy delusions of religion

[@fabricreative1930]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 I know it's an old comment but, if a scientific consensus is taken as 100% fact by someone (without confirmation), that someone is not doing science. Science, by definition, is done by not taking anything blindly. Sure, some people take it blindly (which is a problem) but that's not a flaw of science itself.

[@wcwright44]

I’m 73, educated in the US and I don’t even remember not being familiar with evolution. Times must have changed. I agree with other commenters that it’s strange that this is a discussion. It’s settled science unless other evidence domes to light.

[@robertadame6431]

Right! We are apes that evolved from sea weed. Duh!

[@johnkoay8097]

You were not taught that birds talked and weave like humans, so we are birds.

[@wcwright44]

@@johnkoay8097 we have no anatomy in common with birds. Explain further.

[@thomascanfield8571]

Being a member of the great apes is not an insult to me, it's a source of pride.

[@couponnation]

What a load of hogwash and stupidity.

[@bainides]

i too am proud of being an ape

[@kdub1242]

Well of course. Both fossil and DNA evidence make it pretty clear that humans, bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans share a common ancestor somewhere around 6 mya or so, give or take. Not a controversial idea, or at least it shouldn't be.

[@garethbaus5471]

And the exact amount of relation seems to nest so that with the exception of chimpanzees and bonobos none of the groups you listed are more closely related to each other than they are to humans.

[@jounisuninen]

"Both fossil and DNA evidence make it pretty clear that humans, bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans share a common ancestor " If so, why we never see those fossils? And if we were related, why is the human DNA very different from apes in the regulating sections of genes? In the points where chromosomes reorganize DNA -sequences during sexual reproduction, there’s hardly any similarities. Also the Y-chromosomes are very different. In the humans they are much bigger and they contain genes that are not found e.g. in chimpanzee. No facts exist to show that mutations could bridge the gap over the genetic abyss separating human and apes. This is confirmed by the ”orphan genes” and singletons which exist only in humans while apes have their own orphan genes and singletons. The problem with evolutionist thinking is that they do not understand much of genetics. Darwin new nothing of genetics and that's how he made his pseudo scientific evolution theory. I think Darwin left his ignorance in genetics to his followers as a heritage.

[@OceanusHelios]

"Will apes eventually become human?" A better explanation is that the mutations are random. This is a much greater influence. Genomes are organized a certain way. One of the ways humans became humans is because the jaw muscles acquired a mutation, some scientists suggest, that made that jaw muscle much weaker. In turn with a weaker jaw muscle there was less pressure on the anchoring brain case. This allowed for the growth of a larger brain. Weird huh? But microcephaly is a reversal of that mutation and people with it look more ape like. So yes, I suppose apes could slowly acquire similar mutations but that doesn't mean they would be human. Think of it this way, a shark and a penguin both have similar pectoral fins but that doesn't mean they have a similar fate, just similar traits. The way to think of evolution is a change in gene frequencies over time. Pretty much within a population, there is a drift in the gene expression and acquiring of mutations. Apes could acquire similar types of mutations that produce similar results. But if you look at the genes of sharks and penguins I almost guarantee the genes that lead to the similar looking pectoral fins are hardly copies of one another. That is just the way genes work. It is like the old 'more than one way to skin a cat' addage. Nature works that way too.

[@jounisuninen]

"A better explanation is that the mutations are random. " An even better explanation is that mutations can't produce any evolution i.e. any changes in the body plan of an organism. Universe would be a mathematical impossibility with billions and billions of co-directional happenstances. One must be fool to believe such could happen. Also the theory of random DNA mutations creating new body plans is nonsense to anyone who has studied the DNA-structure. There are billions of possible wrong choices against one correct choice. A random choice would have to succeed within only 3-15 times trial/error to create the correct nucleotides before the relevant DNA section gets irreversibly destroyed. Possible wrong choices are counted in billions. There is no infinite time and no unlimited choices for randomly finding correct solutions for evolution to succeed. Only uneducated fools can believe in the evolution theory. Mutations as "gene factories" is a ridiculous theory made up by evolutionists. ”Because the biggest part of mutations - if they have any effect - are harmful, their overall effect must be harmful.” [Crow, J., The high spontaneous mutation rate: Is it a health risk? Proc Natl Acad Sci 94:8380-8386, 1997.] Of the same opinion are also Keightley and Lynch: ”Major part of mutations are harmful.” [Keightley, P. & Lynch, M., Toward a realistic model of mutations affecting fitness. Evolution 57:683-685, 2003.] Gerrish and Lenski estimate that the proportion of useful mutations vs. harmful mutations is 1:1000 000. [Gerrish P.J., & Lenski, R., The fate of competing beneficial mutations in an asexual population. Gentetica 102(103):127-144, 1998.] Ohta, Kimura, Elena and others have estimated, that the proportion of useful mutations is so low that it can’t be statistically measured! [Ohta, T., Molecular evolution and polymorphism. Natl Inst Genet Mishima Japan 76:148-167, 1977.] [Kimura, M., Model of effective neutral mutaitons in which selective constraint is incorporated. PNAS 76:3440-3444, 1979.] [Elena, S.F. et al, Distribution of fitness effects caused by random insertion mutations in E. Coli. Gentetica 102/103:349-358, 1998.] Science doesn't know any evolutionary beneficial mutations which could transform the body plan of any given organism. All known mutations have been non-structural like sickle-cell mutation, lactose tolerance, wingless flies, antibiotic resistant bacteria etc. So they are in fact just adaptations, not evolution.

[@tedbundy2268]

If that was the case isolate the mutation and prove it but I'm sure it's all bull shiiiiiid

[@lrvogt1257]

Will apes eventually become human?" is like asking if cars will become chevys. Humans are apes. Look up a hominid tree of life

[@keekwai2]

Will poodles eventually become dogs? Idiots LOL

[@sturlamolden]

I went to school in Norway during the 1980s and early 90s. Already in 1st grade we learned about the Creation. We had religious education as a subject all through grade 1-9. The purpose was to teach us to believe in Lutherian protestantism. In the classroom we had a blackboard and a map of ancient Palestine. In 9th grade we were told that there were such a thing called evolution, as an alternative to creation, but it only spanned one page in the science book. In high school (grade 10-12) I had biology all three years. Evolution was never on the curriculum. We learned about Darwin in the religion class, where he was portrayed as a religious philosopher. I graduated from high school in 1994, basically without hearing a word about evolutionary biology. My first real introduction to evolutionary biology was as an freshman in college.

[@CJFCarlsson]

mythomania

[@rockmusicvideoreviewer896]

@@CJFCarlsson Indeed, he was indoctrinated by religious hokey pokey magic.

[@CJFCarlsson]

@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 not really. Norway is secular and the first years of school you do not get into much detail about evolution or anything. If you are lucky you learn to read. When you go to college you might not even have biology on the curriculum and could possibly meet Darwin in philosophy or religion. So don't be gullible.

[@rockmusicvideoreviewer896]

@@CJFCarlsson I was replying to his specific experience.

[@CJFCarlsson]

@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 If you feel the need to group hug with someone who is telling a tall story, please feel free.

[@Aesirfollower224]

“Humans are apes” Me: NO SHIT!!

[@nitziamartin-vazquez4420]

Yeah, and we're spinning in a ball, right?

[@Aesirfollower224]

@@nitziamartin-vazquez4420 what?

[@zhou_sei]

@@nitziamartin-vazquez4420 no, we are walking around on the SURFACE of a spinning (pretty much) ball.

[@BillMurrey]

I agree, that statement is pretty far fetched.

[@Aesirfollower224]

@@BillMurrey what do u mean?

[@logenvestfold4143]

The thing about bipedality as the "uniqueness" of humans from other apes is that only gorillas, chimpanzees, and bonobos are knuckle walking quadrupeds. Humans are the only non-arboreal apes while orangutans and lesser apes are incapable of knuckle walking and walk in a bipedal manner or supported. And gorilla knuckle walking is different from chimp and bonobo knuckle walking indicating convergent evolution. Most likely the common ancestor of humans and chimps (including bonobos) was bipedal, and possibly the common ancestor of three species and gorillas was semi-bipedal, since all knuckle walkers are semi-bipedal.

[@logenvestfold4143]

@WatchMyVideoFor CovidTruth amazing. It’s like you read what I wrote and absorbed absolutely nothing and in turn spewed out complete nonsense.

[@logenvestfold4143]

@WatchMyVideoFor CovidTruth it’s not a religion it’s called a hypothesis. If knuckle walking is a standard for being an ape then does that mean orangutans, gibbons, and siamangs aren’t apes? And if so what are they? If we’re not apes too then are they humans? You clearly don’t understand what the term “ape” even means and how taxonomy and cladistics works.

[@tohaason]

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab You *did not* read (as in: understand) what he wrote. He said that humans didn't develop from knuckle walkers. Chimps and gorillas developed knuckle walking at a later time, after the split from the common ancestor of all of us. How on earth is that supposed to be evidence we are not apes? Our forebear was a semi-biped ape. Today's chimps and gorillas are very different from that ancestor, after millions of years, as are we. We're still very very similar though. We seem to have little body hair, for example, but if you count the number of follicles it's just about the same. We just have very little growth.

[@justing1810]

I love being an ape. Now I don't have to feel guilty about anything 😂

[@markward3981]

Bingo ...comic but profound insight . Think about it

[@GordonCaledonia]

I'm a transgender ape.

[@justing1810]

@@GordonCaledonia 😂

[@GordonCaledonia]

@@justing1810 Pronouns: ooh!/argh!

[@justing1810]

@@GordonCaledonia Maybe you have been exposed to too many endocrine disruptors.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

It's cool being one of the great apes. You can excuse a lot of bad behaviour and climb a tree whenever you feel like it. I love Erica's introduction on Gutsick Gibbon, "Hello and welcome my gentle and of course very modern apes." Many people worked out the relationship long before science did. In Indonesia the name Orangutan is literally, "forest man".

[@justing1810]

There have been many other species of human in the past.

[@augustingarnier4625]

"If humans evolved from apes...?" put another way: If domesticated dogs evolved from wolves, why do we still have wolves? I am presently watching the 6-part Netflix series Chimp Nation, and it shows beyond any doubt that our behavior is astonishingly similar.

[@saintpatrick6681]

put another way. wolf can mate with dog. can you mate with an ape. good luck 👍

[@augustingarnier4625]

@@saintpatrick6681 Put in a more scientific way; Neanderthals mated with Homo sapiens, and here we are. However, unless that domestic dog is a husky or malamute (and not the latest fashion dog like a pug or French bull dog) it will only be a wolf snack. Very much like chimps hunting monkeys for food and sport. Good luck to you too.

[@laus7504]

@@saintpatrick6681 There are a lot of people who found out they were part neanderthal on those ancestory dna online tests. Not my family. Not hot caveman sex. I didn't even give them my DNA! My parents and my offspring thought this 23 and me bs was cool!

[@musician1000]

We evolved from the same common ancestor, not directly from apes.

[@raysalmon6566]

285] constitute the plant's meticulously evolved defensive response. Bruce Ames, who devised the Ames test, a procedure widely relied upon for determining whether or not a particular substance is carcinogenic, has noted that the natural chemicals in our food are every bit as lethal as the noxious chemicals we worry about. 83 -----**DNA**----- by **James D. Watson,** and **Andrew Berry** This is available on Libby .83b Do you believe that mutations can cause evolution Are Neanderthals common ancestors Where did Dna Come from83a After reading so much about DNA I fail to see that it has anything to do with evolution also the initial living reproductive cells could not of come into being on their own join mewe groups Darwinian Revolution

[@singlespeedcrossbike]

Fact: humans are evolving. Our brain volume since the last ice age has become slightly smaller.

[@aguyonasiteontheinternet]

Did the advent of agriculture have anything to do with this? Reduced brain size is actually associated with lowered aggression and increased cooperation and docility in domesticated species. Could the same process (or something analogous) have occurred in humans? Maybe agriculture and fixed settlement forced us to start working together more.

[@michaelking9818]

Yes but denser, the higher regions in thinking and socialising are bigger now

[@singlespeedcrossbike]

@@michaelking9818 I haven’t seen that study, can you point me in that direction?

[@michaelking9818]

@@singlespeedcrossbike it was in the new scientist a few years back the uk published magazine but pier reviewed

[@tohaason]

Some claim that the reduced brain volume is because our brains are more efficient.. I'm not so sure. These days you can go through life and have living descendants without needing more brain cells than for tying your shoe laces. One would think that the average intelligence level could very well be affected by that. Our intelligence evolved because it improved survival rates. after all. If it no longer doesn't then there's no pressure to keep it. Sounds a bit cynical, I know, and I hope I'm mistaken.

[@hanzocloud]

If aliens came they would think ape and humans are the same, that’s how similar we are to apes

[@tokarev177]

Is it that what u dreamin from?

[@johnkoay8097]

Stupid aliens.

[@elcalifornio3916]

We are part of all the animals from the Mother Earth

[@prschuster]

If that pesky little asteroid hadn't crashed into Earth off the Yucatan peninsula 66 million years ago, there might be dino-people instead of humans.

[@fransmars1645]

Proud ape, here. Ape self actualization is happening 'round here!

[@mitchgunzler3737]

If it was physically possible our ancestors would surely have interbred with any robust australopiths that hung around long enough.

[@rayflaherty3441]

I would. Those babes were hot!

[@judewarstler9253]

Yes, one hypothesis holds that's actually how Neanderthals died out, because we had dominant genes even though they had larger brains and muscles

[@mitchgunzler3737]

@@judewarstler9253 I think the usual version is not so much dominant genes as a larger gene pool. If more sapiens are in Europe getting it on with a handful of Neanderthals, the merged population will look more like sapiens.

[@theflyingdutchguy9870]

the question "if we came from apes/monkeys, then why are there still apes/monkeys." shows the people saying this dont know what they are talking about. its a clear misunderstanding of what the fundamentals are of evolution

[@justing1810]

Well we are considered great apes 😂

[@roblloyd1879]

In many of my posts I give examples of our ape like culture in the Homo Sapien animal. We are much closer to our nearest cousins than most will accept. Always remember when I was in my late teens telling my mother that we were just another animal at the top of the food chain. She hit the roof, "I am not an animal" she screamed. A lesson learned. Most people have no idea of the origins of modern humans and cannot accept the concept that we really are just another animal on our planet.

[@josephinetracy1485]

There is no "We." Sub-Saharan Africans have as much as 20% of their DNA from "unknown hominids" such as Homo Erectus and Homo Habilis. "We," whatever that means, can't even accept that! They are not full Homo Sapiens.

[@theCosmicQueen]

you are devoid of any sort of enlightenment about this subject. Creatures with similar functions naturally ahve similar bodies, but that doesn'tmake them related. it means the Maker made them for specific things. just like most cars are similar , but diffrent. but they are made that way for purposes, by humans. they didn't happen accidentally or without anyone actually doing it by design.

[@roblloyd1879]

@@theCosmicQueen Religious B/S

[@cacogenicist]

It may be impossible, or extremely difficult, for a knuckle-walking ape to evolve into a bipedal ape. It's all but certain now that the last common ancestor of chimps/bonobos and humans was not a knuckle-walker. And it seems there were never any knuckle-walking hominins. The ancestor was probably upright in trees when it wasn't suspending, and it likely walked around on two legs clumsily on the ground, like a gibbon, holding up their long arms. --- roughly speaking, one branch solved the ground locomotion problem with knuckle-walking, and the other basically _stayed_ upright, with optimization over time for bipedal efficiency (pelvic changes, longer legs, etc).

[@aerynventress7702]

Don't orangutans walk both ways?

[@tohaason]

Yep, that's the latest thinking. It appears knuckle walking developed independently in chips and gorillas - the bones aren't put together the same way. And thus the common ancestor of humans, chimps and gorillas most likely was not a knuckle walker but instead more of a tree dweller.

[@BillMurrey]

@@tohaason Lucy was a knuckle walker.

[@BillMurrey]

Lucy was a knuckle walker.

[@tohaason]

@@BillMurrey What? No, she was not. Look it up.

[@joelspaulding5964]

Did not realize this was an area of actual debate, for several decades, at least.

[@marvinmartin4692]

I’ve been aware that we are nothing but hairless ape’s for some time. When you look at our species in that light you start to understand some of our behaviors. And our arrogance.

[@SunnyandNova]

Yes you are a Neanderthal not me but you yes

[@Okijuben]

@@SunnyandNova Technically speaking, a person of African descent could say that to a person of European or Asian descent and they would be 1-2% correct. A little bit of the Neanderthal genetic structure survives in some of us and not in others.

[@laus7504]

@Marvin IKWYM! Look at how we have the ability to read, write, amuse, and piss each other off from miles away! So who's your favorite sports team, musical artist, actor, comedian, politician, KZbin commenter? Any apes out there going to weigh in? Oh Please!

[@tedbundy2268]

​@@laus7504 facts

[@jounisuninen]

"I’ve been aware that we are nothing but hairless ape’s for some time. " Don't count me in that. I have not a single ape in my family line.

[@retisimanu3080]

Humans of the next 2 million years will not want to say they evolved from us 😅

[@mrpepsy1520]

I didn’t think this was even disputed? I thought it was the scientific consensus

[@robertadame6431]

Right! We are apes that first descended from sea weed. Duh!

[@mrpepsy1520]

@@robertadame6431 yeah right. It’s more believable that we were just created by a magic man in the sky?

[@inctru]

A lot of humans are in arrogant denial of reality in this regard & more.

[@GlobeHackers]

I'm always happy to see channels like this. What a wonderful conversation. Happy Ape Pride Day

[@andrewchristopherharry4797]

That's not accurate, apes are not gay

[@stevewise1656]

This was the most straightforward and simple to understand. So many other anthropologists make this all so complicated.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

On a good day, I (and many other experienced rock climbers) can climb certain things that no ape can.

[@Keyboardje]

To be honest, I suspect that no ape would want or even consider putting their life at stake "just because the mountain is there". :D

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@Keyboardje They probably already do so for certain tender morsels. I know that sloths routinely fall hundreds of feet trying to reach tender new shoots, and most have multiple fractured ribs in stages of healing. So for them it's " because it's there, and looks damned tasty :) "

[@WilbertLek]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 No, "too humble to acknowledge my ancestry", it's to survive.

[@Okijuben]

Not to mention, I can still grab certain things with my feet.

[@kaarlimakela3413]

I laugh when this bothers people.

[@hudsontd7778]

I laugh when it doesn't 🤣

[@johngavin1175]

Like Powell and Hovind? The dumbest Creationists on the planet?

[@EDPDBZ89]

And not only are humans apes, but we're, along with the other nonhuman apes, are (cladistically speaking) monkeys as well :)

[@GordonCaledonia]

HUMANS came up with all those categories. Aristotle? Was that who came up with the categories of science? He was a dickhead. No one knows EXACTLY how humans came to be. The world was a vastly different place in the past, there was obviously other beings, super-beings if you will in the past and they either died out, went underground, whatever and we better hope that they don't come back because we are in bad shape these days in woke clown world.

[@zhou_sei]

true. if simian = monkey (and it often does), then we certainly are monkeys. catarrhine monkeys, old world monkeys, whatever you wanna call us... it's all words we monkeys made up anyway.

[@mikezion]

This guy said he was interested in ancient history. Than in college with more inquiry led to discovery of evolution. Humans are always going to wonder what really happened before. That’s how humans figure all this out, by thinking. Evolution really sparks a lot of people’s imagination.

[@charlessarver1637]

No, it sparks a lot of proof by which it is supported by

[@mikezion]

@@charlessarver1637 Either statement isn’t wrong.

[@BillMurrey]

@@charlessarver1637 Ok, what's the evidence, show me and don't just make an empty boost about it.

[@chadingram6390]

@@BillMurrey The world is at your finger tips, stop squandering it

[@grimreaper-qh2zn]

Humans are not Apes. I believe we descended form Apes. But that is like saying Crocodiles are Dinosaurs. they are both form the same genus of Reptiles but Crocodiles are not Dinosaurs. So Apes and Humans probably do come from a common ancestry but species develop and branch. So Humans are (probably) related to Apes but that does not say Humans are Apes.

[@norbertjendruschj9121]

Naturally humans are no apes in the common sense. But in biology we are part of the family "hominidae (= apes + humans, living and extinct)", genus "primates", class "mammals".

[@harvesterofeyes8813]

Dinosaurs were not lizards try again

[@chadingram6390]

Once an ape always an ape, that's why we are also mammals and birds are dinosaurs.

[@grimreaper-qh2zn]

@@chadingram6390 Don't agree. If what you say is correct we are in fact all just Primordial. And I don't mean the Irish extreme metal band from Skerries

[@chadingram6390]

@@grimreaper-qh2zn Sorry but it's just a fact. These are just classification labels that represent the process of evolution. You may not understand it enough to comprehend how its analogous but it is a fact. What do you mean by primordial? Life has been on Earth for at least a couple billion years and has changed over time to where we are now. The theory is sound and has never been refuted even by the best minds. Evolution theory is the foundation of modern biology and it has great explanatory and predictive power.

[@brentoniverson1020]

I'm African American, watched a video recently on a guy from Nigeria. I was instantly convinced by his strong bold facial features that we are realted to Apes. 💪🏿

[@judewarstler9253]

Not just related, we literally are apes

[@tedbundy2268]

You're less than an ape you're a dam sambo no man especially a Blk man comes from a dam ape you dumb fuqq

[@eugenioarpayoglou]

Fun fact: there is no word for "ape" in Spanish. They are commonly referred to as "simios" which is not correct because simions include both apes and monkeys. The closest spanish word I could think of is "hominido."

[@markward3981]

Thanks think about this. Names , categories are often subjected and arbitrary.

[@cacogenicist]

@@markward3981 - Taxonomically, biologically, the distinction between monkeys and apes isn't really _arbitrary_

[@TinyLordCthulhu]

I've heard plenty of Spanish speakers use simio to refer to both apes and monkeys not just apes so I don't consider it wrong. One word can have multiple meanings in another language. Hominido is just Spanish for hominids

[@eugenioarpayoglou]

@@TinyLordCthulhu Hominid is a little more inclusive than just Humans, but like you say, words can have more than one meaning. If you open the entry for Ape in Wikipedia and change the language to Spanish you'll see what I mean: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

[@maekong2010]

I never thought about that, but it's true. In the vernacular, there are "monos," just like in English there are "monkeys," but (I'm not native, but have been immersed in the Spanish language for most of my life) there is no distinction for apes bandied about that I can recall. Edit: In fact, I asked "Hey Google" how ape would be said in Spanish, and it gave me "mono." (Not the actual kissing disease. I don't have that kind of luck)

[@bonecanoe86]

Hello my fellow apes

[@zhou_sei]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 o wow, a single word insult! what a great argument! too bad there isn't a vaccine for ignorance; but you'd prolly skip that one, too...

[@zhou_sei]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 you're a human, an ape, a hominid, a primate, and (if simian = monkey, which is often the case in many contexts) you're also a monkey. you repeating wrong things will never make them right.

[@zhou_sei]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 weird that you found a definition of 'ape' which doesn't fit, care to share with the class?

[@zhou_sei]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 you made up your own definition to exclude humans. try harder.

[@davidh6300]

Ooga booga

[@michaelhuttig6596]

To become human is surely no goal of evolution, but it is certainly a possibility once that niche is freed again. The question is rather what kind of species would occupy this particular niche. Modern apes (Menschenaffen, in German) are most likely too much specialized in too many aspects. But Gibbons and a lot of monkeys aren't and might evolve (rather than develop) into humanlike animals.

[@DerHammerSpricht]

My money is on cephalopods. Cetaceans have the cognitive capacity for it already, but they have no THUMBS. There is no way they will start controlling Fire underwater. However, if some Octopi got pushed out of the sea for some reason and developed their land legs to where they could be upright on 2-4 of their 8 legs, leaving them with at least 4 arms to wield tools... they could do it easily enough. They have the dexterity, brain-body-ratio, and already demonstrate human-like cognitive capacity in their pranks on handlers, ability to creatively solve mazes and puzzles, etc. Their biggest hurdle would be evolving sufficient muscles to grow on land. Their body plan is already amenable to this as each of their 8 tentacles has its own "brain-stem" at the base, giving them lots of localized processing power for self-locomotion and reflex coordination, while their core brain is free to observe and contemplate and experience. I imagine with that sort of nervous system, their epigenetics would learn and adapt to life on land rather quickly. Once they developed the ability to control fire, they would become the apex predators of the planet just like humans did. They would then be on the path to creating their own version of the Holocene. Godspeed to them; I hope they avoid our mistake of centralized agrarian lifestyles.

[@bigguy7353]

Did this change? As far as I knew we've always been classified as Great Apes.

[@judewarstler9253]

No, just denial from people who believe in creation

[@truthbknwn]

How come the Homo Neanderthalensis skull depicted on the chart at 2:08 displays a smaller brain cavity than Homo Sapiens, when in fact their brain cavity was considerably larger?

[@jamestodd2323]

Brain volume is 1410 cm3 for Neanderthals and 1350 cm3 for modern humans. Size and shape are different but if you see a 3D model it shows it better. :-)

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

Um... who says it's a scientific chart, rather than just a general image of them? It's not like there's figures on volume and size and such on said "chart." 🙄

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@jamestodd2323 yeah, like 60 whole cubic centimeters will be _that_ visible in such an image, LOL!

[@alish5417]

We are apes for sure that's what truth is

[@treadtrick]

I'll bet his classes at Vassar are fascinating. My only suggestion is that you guys invest in actual microphones. The audio quality does not reach the level of the content quality, which is quite interesting, thank you!

[@joeanderson8839]

I feel more related to orangutans than chimpanzees.

[@captainamericaamerica8090]

We all are apes

[@macbuff81]

We didn't evolve from modern apes instead we share a common ancestor. Modern apes are our cousins. This is something you learn in high school biology Evolution selects for the fittest in terms of the environment they exist in. So while mutations are random, natural selection is not. Homo sapiens sapiens also got it on with homo sapiens neanderthalensis which is why Caucasians carry between 1 to 5 percent of neanderthal DNA to this day. They didn't fully die out

[@planetdog1641]

Lucy was a primate

[@macbuff81]

@@planetdog1641 indeed. So are we.

[@planetdog1641]

@@macbuff81 Not really. The lineage can't go on with a different chromosome #. Facts.

[@stefanieberg1569]

Recommended Channel, if you want to know more, without going to school. Starting from Earth creation (by gravity, from star-debris), and explaining earth and life really well. I’m personally addicted: History of the Earth (History of the Universe is incredibly great, too, as is his brother’s channel: History Time, and Voices of the Past)

[@Blonde111]

“The pelvis is really fun”! Anthropology humor 😂 Love it

[@benw9949]

One of the most interesting things about human evolution is that with only a few different steps, humans and other apes could have been just different enough to be very unusual to us in our timeline / reality. The other bit is, could there still be other apes, hominids, or related primates who have somehow missed detection? Stories of Bigfoot and Sasquatch and Yeti and medieval wild hairy men (woodwose, etc.), or the many human-like creatures in mythology around the world, dwarf and giant forms, these all seem at least plausible a as possible real creatures from the past or present, remembered or encountered. But it's hard to believe that there hasn't been modern, recent proof. Still, the similarities are interesting. The (other) great apes might not survive, but monkeys are still numerous. What could happen to them or to humans in future evolution? It's all fascinating. That recent discoveries are showing many more species in a very complex web or network, not a simple tree of ape-like or human-like forms, is really neat.

[@harrietharlow9929]

Since new species are still regularly being discovered, I certainly wouldn't rule that possibility out.

[@harrietharlow9929]

@WatchMyVideoFor CovidTruth Your screen name says it all. you don't believe in vaccines or that Covid is real. I'm done here, at least with you.

[@kathybrem880]

I’ve often thought those legends were derived from a time humans shared the world with other hominids

[@BillMurrey]

No it would take a great many steps to produce a human from evolution, and there is just not enough time in the universe for that to happen. Look uo mathematical probabilities of evolution.

[@BillMurrey]

@WatchMyVideoCovidTruthNoBiolab You can't. Now what are you going to do? You really need to look up those possibilities, it is beyond, way beyond what they are saying the age of the universe. In fact, it's impossible.

[@Centurion101B3C]

Until fairly recently we were limited to study and research evolution purely based on physical evidence by means of found remnants of specimens and sometimes remnants of their settlements and tools, but that doesn't tell the whole story when not including the study the anthropological angles that channel the evolutionary pressures. A minute change in culture or even diet of a base-population can have tremendous influence on the evolution of a species without showing immediate evidence in its morphology. This goes not only for the human species. As Darwin proved with his collection of Galapagos finches, where the specimens DID show significant morphological adaptations, but where these were prominently shaped by local conditions / evolutionary pressures on the individual islands with each their own specific populations.

[@Don_Matteo]

I can say 100% certainly that I am not an ape, have never been, neither are my children. Some people like to act like apes.

[@lrvogt1257]

You are 100% wrong. Humans are great apes and share a common ancestor with chimps and bonobos. "Hominid - the group consisting of all modern and extinct Great Apes (that is, modern humans, chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans plus all their immediate ancestors)."

[@rockmusicvideoreviewer896]

@@lrvogt1257 I think he was comparing himself with all the apes other than humans. But yeah, what he actually stated is not correct.

[@bainides]

and i'm not a chordate🤷

[@curthominid5423]

We're indeed great apes. Humans are like to wage war like chimpanzees. We like to hunt down a specific individual until they're dead, no matter how many years it would take. We throw temper tantrums in similar ways as chimpanzees. We break up fights just like other apes. We banish any violators out of our organizations. Many of these behaviors can be found in them.

[@Phlegethon.]

Yet you always have been.

[@govolleyball2144]

Excellent, thank you!

[@albashir7140]

That was brilliant 💯👍.. I love the simplicity ❤

[@ericks6770]

We are apes, indeed! - Dr. Zachary Smith

[@planetdog1641]

Go visit a zoo Zach and drool over the monkeys

[@anitaschvitz9749]

Awe man. I was really hoping we were flightless birds with the ability to one day fly again, when I get reincarnated of course and weather permitting of course, dang. Sorry for the outburst. Well, I guess it is pretty obvious for people with eyes connected to a brain combined with the ability to put 2+2 together and not come up with 5.

[@HashknightGaming]

I have been ape since seeing them as a child and thinking why does the ape look like us yet locked in a glass box.

[@laurencesmith2199]

I read we lost our hair , learned to walk upright and developed our brain from scavenging tidal pools and eating Omegas etc. , and got fed twice a day with no hunting or danger . And women lost more hair due to feeding herself and the cubs . We also hogged the coasts a bit when we left Africa .

[@whiskeytango9769]

Walking upright was in place long before we lost our hair. The idea about hair loss is that it coincided with our development of long distance running in tropical Africa. We needed to lose hair so that we could lose heat through sweating...and having body hair gets in the way of that.

[@whiskeytango9769]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 You are an ape.

[@laurencesmith2199]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 There are errors in the dna that are common to us and the apes , the chances of these errors being exactly the same without a common ancestor is zero . These errors are of no consequence as they're either junk dna or there's hundreds of other switches perform the same function . We're not apes now , like chimps are not bonobos . We have vestigial organs , we are not bespoke .

[@jkulls1]

I’d love to meet the author who witnessed this!

[@dancingnature]

Scientists figured out approximately when we lost our hair by looking at lice DNA . Body lice live on clothes unlike head lice or distantly related pubic lice

[@catpoke9557]

Don't know if this is mentioned in the video, but this also makes humans monkeys since apes are a type of catarrhine. If apes aren't monkeys then no catarrhines are.

[@zhou_sei]

yerp

[@WilbertLek]

"If apes aren't monkeys then no catarrhines are." Sure, and If felidae aren't house cats then no felimormia are.

[@BillMurrey]

And it could mean that God came up with a good design and used it on other creatures, adapting as He needed to for their specific life conditions. It's a possibility, and more logical than a mindless, random chance, chaotic process would produce. Let me ask you a question, if you could buy a computer manufactured in a mindless, random chance, chaotic process would you buy it or maybe one that was intelligently designed and carefully put together?

[@WilbertLek]

@@BillMurrey How do you know IT is a "him", too humble to acknowledge your ancestry?

[@WilbertLek]

@@BillMurrey Your comment means that you have insecurity issues and don't understand one iota of reality.

[@Centurion101B3C]

Hm, At several points is referred to evolution not being linear and/or specifically directional, but what I missed in this discussion was the phenomenon of evolutionary pressure that is driving pace and direction of evolutionary developments. These evolutionary pressures may lead to adaptations and changes that are not necessarily evident in the morphology. Example being the fairly recent evolutionary adaptation to pandemics that have shaped human populations in size and survival perspectives. Specifically things like sickle-cell anemia as an adaptation to deal with malaria-like parasites, or the naturally acquired resistance to the Yersina-Pestis pathogens. These are clearly evolutionary adaptations that have had an often overlooked impact on survival and spread of the human species. This even aside from the progress of medical technology and immunology, which in and of itself can also be seen as an evolutionary adaptation of the human species. Going further back, the changes in certain populations to lactose tolerance made these populations more likely to survive and thrive in conditions where they theretofore would not. None of these adaptations leave unambiguous traces in the morphology and thus in the fossil-record, although new techniques can widen and deepen research on evidence of these at molecular and even mineral level. Just sayin' It's certainly not all in the bones alone, but it is all very real. AND worth mentioning, I might add.

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

Too much Jungle Book for those who think that every other Ape is just waiting to become Human!!😂

[@TheMilkMan8008]

They aren't. No other ape is going to become human. Our ancestors did, but the other apes ancestors became what they are today. We share a common ancestor. That ancestor split into different things. They can't just go back and follow out line.

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

@@TheMilkMan8008 I know.. I'm saying that's what some people believe.. Like evolution is directed in some way, & other apes are just waiting for the day they become Human!! As if we are the end goal.. Which we, & all life aren't, as there is no "goal" except perhaps survive & reproduce..

[@TheMilkMan8008]

@@stiofanofirghil1916 ah, I see.

[@stiofanofirghil1916]

@@TheMilkMan8008 It's like creationists really do think they're singing I Wanna Be Like You!!😆

[@jjbentley9]

I don't see how anyone could look at a human hand then there hand not see what you're referring to. I think with people that say that evolution isn't in real. And want to believe in thing's like a Sunday school Bible lesson. Of Noah ark is real with zero proof. That they want to believe. This is different it's right in front of are eyes 👀

[@user-cf6fo6bj1u]

@WatchMyVideoFor CovidTruth we are apes

[@zhou_sei]

@watchmyvideoforcovidtruth3739 facts don't care what any of us think. we ARE, in fact, apes... because we made up the word 'ape' and we so happen to fit the characteristics and the lineage.

[@dcmhsotaeh]

A middle eastern Asian origin religion is believed by millions of Nordic north Europeans Millions of south European Mediterraneans

[@agiusbennett]

The question I would like to explore is, "Why"....what would be the answer from the scientist that explain human evolution.

[@cabanford]

The technical term is "Field Monkeys" 😜

[@garybobst9107]

Exactly. We're the last of the great prairie apes(unless the Yeti/Sasquatch/ect exist).

[@judewarstler9253]

We have no archeological evidence for yeti or sasquatch, closest thing would've been gigantopithecous, the largest ape to walk the earth

[@timelessperspective]

In "Small Mouth Noises" and "Food of the Gods", Terence McKenna explained how cooking food doubled the size of our brain within 200,000 years. His argument was that this growth was also catalyzed by psilocybin mushrooms which emerged with farming and cattle. Not advocating for his "Stoned Ape Theory", but it's an argument with a lot of merit. I could imagine that cooked food contributed to something like 80% of that growth and the mushrooms provided an evolutionary advantage to those that consumed.

[@murrayfamily1942]

Even with everything in hand, I’m not really sure, there is a heck of a gap between the apes and people, that small percentage is actually quite a bit. For example he talks so much about how we’re similar but what needs to be considered, is how much we’re different and that will have you scratching your head like an ape.

[@jounisuninen]

"Even with everything in hand, I’m not really sure, there is a heck of a gap between the apes and people,..." Exactly. We need to have many genes that are similar even with a cat or sheep, because we eat more or less similar food as animals do and we breathe same air etc. But when we come to the genes that regulate the formation of our body plan there are hardly any similarities with even a chimpanzee. Also our Gene Regulatory Network is unique for humans. In the points where chromosomes reorganize DNA -sequences during sexual reproduction, there’s hardly any similarities with apes. Also the Y-chromosomes are very different. In the humans they are much bigger and they contain genes that are not found e.g. in chimpanzee. While humans live on the same planet with animals, why on earth should God have created us to be like aliens, walking around in space suits?

[@a5cent]

That's because you are comparing using a rather primitive and biased set of tools... your eyes and your conception of how superior we feel humans are to everything else we see around us today (no offense... we all fool ourselves this way). However, the chimpanzee and human genomes are strikingly similar and encode very similar proteins. The DNA sequence that can be directly compared between the two genomes is almost 99 percent identical, I.e. small genetic changes can have large impacts. More importantly, you are comparing differences between species that diverged from one another millions of years ago! Of course those differences will be large. However, we once shared the earth with many other human species. For example, Homo Neanderthalensis, Denisovans and others, all of which were very similar to us. Finding a hominid fossil is extremely rare. The billions of people alive today will almost entirely vanish without leaving behind anything at all. However, when we do find one, it always fits neatly somewhere on a branch between hononid species. As the fossil record fills out, we'll eventually have to abandon the notion of distinct species altogether, as the points where we draw lines between them are essentially arbitrary.

[@TmanRock9]

@@jounisuninennot sure what you are talking about because even genes that regulate proteins are extremely similar to other apes. Humans and chimps even have the vast majority of the same viral insertions in the same locations which indicates shared ancestry.

[@rebellion795]

We are also monkeys and we are fish. You never evolve out of your taxonomic clads

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

"Fish" isn't a clade.

[@dancingnature]

Humans and other land vertebrates are fish . Sarcopterygii

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

@@dancingnature Except Sarcopterygii isn't synonymous with "fish". There are fish that aren't Sarcopterygii. "Fish" isn't a clade. Sarcopterygii is a clade. Even Euteleostomi couldn't be "fish", because there are fish that are are not Euteleostomi. "Fish" is a polyphyletic term. It has no taxonomic value.

[@FrederickTheGrt]

The title for the video is surprising. I thought maybe we were chickens or racoons.

[@supertriz]

I see a lot of gibbon videos on my Instagram feed. Definitely under appreciated.

[@judewarstler9253]

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[@Monkeymeep]

We are cute little monkeys playing pretend and trying to give importance to very unimportant things. And humans are cute. You just have to pay attention to how we act and its actually adorable when its not violent or in self interest.

[@charlessarver1637]

I've often wondered if other animals find us cute like how we find cats and that's why they don't harm us. Animals like dolphins and killer whales

[@catpoke9557]

True, humans look ugly but have very cute behavioral tendencies. I mean if you saw a powerful predatory animal petting and adopting a kitten, you'd find that adorable even if the animal doing it was ugly

[@tokarev177]

​@@catpoke9557when humans are ugly why u dont marry an chimpanzee??

[@ramjet5192]

"We are apes," That's what a college roommate said every time he stole my Cheetos.

[@thaddeusramos3543]

Good one! 🤣

[@Centurion101B3C]

Also, The pace of evolutionary adaptations can be remarkably enhanced by populations managing the occurance of survival bottlenecks, where the population becomes greatly diminished to even fraction of original size and surviving specimens propagate dysproportionally with properties that are beneficial to survival. Call this benefactory inbreeding resulting in an adapted base-population of the species, with or without deleterious side-effects. These too will only in very specific cases leave traceable evidence in morphology and thus in fosil-record, but are certainly part of the evolutionary pressures that direct a species to survival and propagation.

[@characterblub]

It is genuinely the weirdest thing to see a furless ape

[@kinglyzard]

Not really. We're surrounded by them ;-)>

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

LOL, then toss away all your mirrors!

[@troychambliss784]

SUBSCRIBED YEAH ! 🎉 I LOVE THE TRUTH 🎉

[@dancingnature]

Ignorance is bliss for a science illiterate! Creationists tend to be ignorant!

[@josephbelisle5792]

Greetings fellow apes. I think of evolution as a thing of exquisite beauty. To understand we are just another species. No more or less worthy than any other species. That we carry genes that show our relation to every other species that ever existed. Its just our active genes make us who we are. That we are part of all life and its evolution throughout all the time that life has existed. It is truly wonderful and awe inspiring. Im always stunned by the belief that somehow we, as a species, have stopped evolving. We are absolutely still evolving. We change our environment and we are adapting to that environment. We are constantly evolving. In ways never seen before. It is being skewed by massive cross breeding across the world but we are still evolving. Great video.

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

Cheers for that. So Planet of the Apes isn`t going to happen too soon

[@justing1810]

This is the planet of the apes 😂

[@waynemcauliffe2362]

@@justing1810

[@ccthefibro_freak97]

This should be common knowledge! It’s too damn obvious haha. 😅

[@JeffTheHokie]

Saying we are not apes is like saying we are not mammals.

[@nikkicat254]

Oh this was great, just subscribed because of this video, it's nice to get to hear from real experts in evolution instead some wannabes I have watched on KZbin lately! I wish more people would watch this one just so they would stop asking the same stupid questions, the one " if we came from apes, why are there still apes? " like was mentioned here and answered, and very well too! Even as a kid I understood that we and the great apes of today came from the same ancestors, not that we came from a Chimpanzee or something, lol! I do have to admit, up until a few years ago I didn't know Gibbons were apes, I thought they were monkey's, because I never noticed that they don't have tails, lol! And I have been into evolution since I was a kid in the late 1970s, I've also been into Primates as well and Dinosaurs! I am now going to share this on my social media accounts to try and get as many people as possible to watch this and finally find out the truth and maybe stop asking that stupid question! Also just started following Zach on Twitter!

[@stefanomagaddino6868]

me too !

[@jamestodd2323]

Superb stuff -- this really needs to be said. The Creationists will love it (not!)

[@jeffreymcneal1507]

I am a Creationist. I have great trouble imagining random atoms making random molecules that make up four amino acids that allow for an infinite number of DNA sequences. To quote Bryson, it would be like the ingredients for a cake assembling themselves and placing the batter in the oven. That we emerged from a cipher is problematic. However, dispensing with that, I thought it was well understood that Homo Sapiens is a branch of the Great Apes for some time. A lot of paleontology has been done investigating the "extinct" predecessors of the Great Apes, but it appears obvious to me that nothing really went "extinct," but it morphed into more sustainable versions, one of which being us. Just as Sapiens and Neanderthals and a half dozen other humanoids were co-existing, do we live with contemporary apes. Nothing went away, it just changed. By the same logic, dinosaurs never went extinct. Most obviously are dragon flies, turtles, alligators, sharks. The most extant dinosaur, I read, is the common turkey. If energy cannot be created nor destroyed, ergo, the Alpha and the Omega of existence is that matter has always existed, there never was an instance of it not existing. Does this suggest a Prime Cause? Or not? If not, why not?

[@kinglyzard]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 Since when are dragonflies, Turtles, sharks and alligators considered Dinosaurs?? I think you mean so called living fossils. The only Dinosaur on your list was the turkey. Dinosaurs are a class of animals, not the same as ancient extant animals.

[@69eddieD]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 It's not random. Stop lying.

[@69eddieD]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 And dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds, not dragonflies.

[@69eddieD]

@@jeffreymcneal1507 Many chemical reactions are spontaneous. I hope that you have studied chemistry, since you present yourself as a quasi expert (a creationist LMAO!) on the topic of biology. Many chemical reactions are spontaneous. This is not the same thing as random. A rock rolls downhill. That is spontaneous, not random. We can predict that it will roll downhill if it is dislodged and not uphill. If you understood chemistry you would know that it's the same way.