Humble is shutting down. Yes, it's concerning.

[@gardiner_bryant]

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[@OraOraOra]

Bazzite is amazing! Imo, the DualSense is by far the best Controller for the Deck, it's so close in terms of features of the Deck, just lacking the Backbuttons and the Sensor in the Thumbsticks. Hot Take: I'd prefer the Switch Pro Controler over the Xbone, just because I love Gyro now!

[@ESGamingCentral]

What’s better ? Bazzite or chimera

[@PKM1010]

Yeah I love the gyro on the Dualsense, and I love the gyro because of the Deck.

[@OraOraOra]

@@ESGamingCentral I PERSONALLY think, that Bazzite is better. I love all the stuff they include. The system is very stable, while also up2date. + you can decide, if you want KDE Plasma, like the Steam Deck or GNOME similar to Mac. You can use it as Desktop PC or with the Gamemode just like on SteamOS.

[@likilike501]

Agree with you regarding dualsense. I would like to use other controllers but problem is they copy Xbox controller and they just do not fit my hands. Even dual sense is not ideal but is most of the way there.

[@Triknor]

I guess the Xbox controller is all that most people have on hand, or folks are turned off by the price of the DualSense.

[@ChaosTherum]

Personally my favorite controller is the 8bitdo Pro 2. Crazy cheap, and with all the bells and whistles of much more expensive controllers, I also just find it has crazy good build quality.

[@AuxCart]

Agreed! Feels great, good options, *and* being able to change the stick sensitivity and button assignments from the android app while staying connected to my computer is a killer feature. I use the target device switch to avoid needing to re pair the thing when swapping between my desktop, deck, and switch.

[@alex1212456]

I just need Linux to work with modern anti cheats and I’ll drop windows forever

[@arcadeportal32]

Honestly, that is the main hangup, keeping quite a few gamers from switching. The problem is that some devs don't want to support more then Windows officially, or outright don't trust Linux because they think everyone using Linux is a hacker and would be smart enough to bypass there solutions. I kind of wish Valve would sell the Steam Deck other than just on their store, as it would get more press and purchase.

[@spicydeath82]

the issue isn't linux or the anti cheat makers, both work together. the issue is on the fev/ publisher side. they have to update/ enable that support but they don't.

[@arcadeportal32]

@@jimmysruffled Some games with Anti-Cheat work, but many big names don't like newer COD games, games with EA Anti Cheat, Valorent is one, basically many games with Kernal Level Anti-Cheat. Same issue with Windows on ARM and MacOS PCs

[@wiigirl09]

I honestly hope to god this doesn't happen. The best part about Linux is you can't play chinese spyware

[@Nateanderthal]

Any game that requires you to give kernel access for anti-cheat is a no-go for me, and they're all moving that way.

[@Galbalan]

That's sad. Humble Games published SIGNALIS and Ghost Song in 2022... I enjoyed those.

[@SerenoOunce]

There were a few good ones but majority of titles, while cute, were forgettable. Lot of PC kids games but kids use consoles. Couple that with non-existent marketing budget they were basically doomed to fail.

[@christopherwestphal7149]

xbox layout is pretty standard for PC and alligns nicely with the steam deck. Just shows how much we need a kitbash between the old steamdeck controller, the new Steam Input controller, and xbox series controller. Give me a a xbox series style layout, hall effects stick like my 8bitdo/guli ultimate, analog Z triggers, good gyro, and it would be pretty good. Bonus points with a micro keyboard optional attachment for the bottom (ala xbox) for text input entry as a bonus and it would be really close to perfect. I still like my steam controller, but its really showing its age.

[@jeffrodrequez]

That is a surprising result on the controller survey. Dualsense for me is hard to beat because of the touchpad. I game 100% on my steamdeck and its the only controller that can duplicate pretty much everything you can do on the deck controls and that touchpad (mouse) comes in really handy in menus for games that are wonky with controller support. Recently I picked up the 8bit Ultimate controller. My "gaming knowledge" is somewhat limited so I was shocked to find out the button layout (A,X,Y,B) was completely different - my son said "Duh dad, it uses the switch layout" lol, well I don't have a switch either, I just assumed they were all the same! After so long with the deck/dual sense controls I am having a horrible time with muscle memory. Great vid as always, good job!

[@MatthewBosk]

I have a PS5 and Switch, so I feel this lol.

[@MrGamelover23]

The Switch layout is what used to be the PlayStation layout. And as far as I know, in Asia, they still use that layout commonly.

[@MatthewBosk]

@@MrGamelover23Yeah I somewhat blame PlayStation for messing that up, they thought using the circle button as "confirm" would be confusing for westerners so they swapped them just for NA and PAL versions. So now we have two layouts ugh. I think for the PS5 generation they default to X as "confirm" globally now, but you can just change it in PS5 settings.

[@AlexTM44]

For me the DS4 is the best controller to use on a pc overall, the track pad on it really comes handy when you need a M&K, and with the Steam input, I can play even Star Trek Online with only a DS4 and my custom control scheme, so no M&K required. Who ever plays STO, knows how it's almost impossible to play it without a mouse and keyboard

[@thenonexistinghero]

Trash Dpad, squishy buttons, awful sticks that wear out in no time and it's just too big. Nah, it's a kinda mediocre controller honestly.

[@tillow9511]

@@thenonexistinghero don't think you've ever used a ds4

[@thenonexistinghero]

@@tillow9511 I have, it's pretty meh. From my experience it's the Sony people who rarely use any other controllers. I switch around controllers regularly. Steam controller for gyro aiming in shooters, Xbox Series X controller for most other things (it has no gyro and is kinda lacking in features, but the Dpad is superb), Switch joycon and pro, retro 8-bit do, etc. Sony hasn't made a somewhat good controller since the PS3.

[@Sin_Alder]

@@tillow9511 I have. Most of his criticisms are entirely valid, other than it being too big. Must have baby hands, or something. The overall quality of the controller is okay, but like most stuff these days, it was an overpriced, passable quality, controller. Don't know why anyone would want to use one for a PC in particular, though. Windows Bluetooth handling is terrible, so I don't know why anyone would pick a wireless controller in general. Love wireless controllers, but they suck on Windows. I keep wired 8-bit Do controllers specifically for PC use. Superior built quality to a DS4, wired, a DS2 form factor, from back before Sony tried to copy the terrible XBox controller form factor, and much more affordable.

[@AlbedoAtoned]

It's likely that many chose the xbox controller because on PC, it's pretty much guaranteed to work with whatever game you are playing. Compatibility is one of the major reasons I went with the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth Controller. It has a switch on the back that switches it between 2.4GHz mode that makes it act like an xbox controller, and a bluetooth mode that makes it work like a Switch controller (on PC, this behaves like a dinput controller). I'd say 99% of the time it is in the 2.4GHz mode. The other reasons I went with it is 1.) Hall Effect sticks. I've dealt with stick drift with most controllers in some form or another. Switch, Playstation, xbox, and even my older 8bitdo controller that didn't have hall effect sticks. 8Bitdo controllers do come with software that can mitigate drift by increasing the deadzone, but nothing beats not having drift in the first place. This is the main deal breaker for most controllers imo. The Ultimate controller costs as much as a first party controller, and not even the more expensive console controllers put out by Sony or MS include hall effect sticks. To make things wose imo, Sony decided to monetize the problem rather than fix it. Their elite controllers feature easily removable sticks, but the stick modules are like 50 dollars or so on Amazon. Typically a stick module for most controllers cost around 5-20 dollars. 2.) Back buttons are hard to give up after getting used to them for so long. You can program them to be any button you want with the software, but I typically program them to be L3 and R3. My reasoning is that a lot of games have you press those buttons quite a bit and some of my previous controllers would develop sensitivity issues from the sticks. They'd require harder and harder presses to pick up a stick press. 3. Gyro is nice when I want it. Most games on PC don't have any way to utilize it unfortunately, but I have used it when emulating certain Nintendo games. it mainly only gets used when playing on the switch though. 4. It's got a good D-Pad. Which makes it a good controller for games that work with d-pads better. The downsides of the controller are that you can't use gyro in xinput mode at all. And if you use the Bluetooth mode, the triggers are not analog. This is because Switch controlllers don't have analog triggers at all (Nintendo haven't used them since the gamecube controller). The Gullikit King Kong 2 Controller (I think that is the name) would be a better choice here if that matters to you because you can use the gyro in xinput mode with that (it behaves as a right stick afaik). But the 8bitdo controller has a better d-pad so I chose that over the Gullikit one. Both have Hall effect sticks too.

[@unleashthedog]

How are they supporting the transition without any person to manage it?

[@GIRGHGH]

"We care so much about caring for our (now 0) game developers!"

[@dnj79]

Id love to switch to linux, the only reason I cant is cause I speedrun games and there just arent any good livesplit alternatives on Linux. So annoying that a timer app is what's holding me back from the full time switch lmao

[@nixnox4852]

Frankly, my Gamesir T4cp controller had been my favorite. I started with xbox controllers, which are good, until stick drift inevitably starts. Then I moved to gulikit's original hall effect controller which was very solid until Minecraft Dungeons and Crosscode wore it down over several months. The two problems that occurs was ironically that stick drift was occurring, which could instantly be fixed for a while with a quick calibration unlike regular sticks. The other issue was the right trigger getting stuck because it was piercing the internal rubber pad that would stop and cushion it's movement. For the price of the controller, it was nicer to play on and lasted longer than any xbox controller I've used. I believe they've since sorted out the issues in the newer controllers. The Gamesir T4 also has hall effect sticks, but has not had any calibration/trigger issues. I find the feel and grip of the sticks my favorite of all controllers so far, my thumbs don't get sore or slip during longs sessions.

[@merthyr1831]

My fave controller for the deck are 8BitDo Lite 2s - They're tiny dual-stick controllers and great for travelling. Just wish they didn't use Nintendo button layouts :/

[@theworldoffun8997]

Yeah, I use 8bitdo ultimate with my laptop and Nintendo button layout annoys me. Good thing steam has a "use Nintendo button layout" toggle 🎉

[@Sin_Alder]

I'm glad they use Nintendo button layouts. While it causes some headaches for the occasional game that doesn't play nicely with the mess that is Steam Input, Nintendo's button layout predates Xbox's by over 20 years, so, being someone who was gaming before Xbox even existed, I find the Xbox layout to be needlessly obtuse. They changed Nintendo's design to be able to claim to be different, but didn't change things as much as Sony did, so they just chose to make things confusing. If I don't have another choice I'll still use a controller with the Xbox layout, but I strongly prefer any other layout on the market.

[@cheako91155]

When it comes to controllers, I'm still in love with the 8bit NES controller's d-pad... I'm thinking the only improvement is to add magnets.

[@TremereTT]

I bet the lawyers ate up al ltheir money.

[@TheLegendarySage]

To me, with the exception of the Steam controller, I feel the poll was spot on. I love my Xbox series controller. I'd use 8bitdo controller instead of the steam controller. Could never get used to the track pads.

[@leafstormblaze9449]

I find it funny that when ever anyone was talking about Microsoft shuttin game companies down they always specifically mention them and to mention how evil they are, yet for some reason no one is going on at ign, even tho ign is owned by a massive company who could have taken down anything else, hey why instead of shutting down humble games just shut down ign it's a garbage site either way who don't even review games they review popularity.

[@KniteDad]

I would love a poll about how many people are anxiously awaiting the release of Steam OS for laptop's or PC's after experiencing its awesomeness on the Deck?!

[@instars2027]

Gulikit KK3 is what I use for Steam Deck, connection is much more stable than Dualshock4 where I would get occasional input lag and I really like the Nintendo layout.

[@Matt23488]

I've been using the 8BitDo Ultimate Bluetooth controller between my Switch and Steam Deck, and it's been pretty good. I'm someone who uses gyro in certain situations, so unfortunately that rules out Xbox controllers for me. My wife uses an Xbox Series Elite 2 controller, and I really like that controller, but no gyro. But if the rumors are true, we're not far off from an official Xbox controller with gyro and haptic feedback.

[@supercompman]

I'm probably the only weirdo out there using a Wii U Pro controller with Steam on Linux 😁

[@SoundToxin]

I used to do that like ten years ago. Super comfortable, great battery life. Biggest negatives are no wired support and no analog triggers. Good controller otherwise.

[@celestialsylveon6453]

No when I gamed on Linux a while back I used it too. On Windows I probably have 2000 hours of gaming with that controller. It also lasts absolutely ages on battery. I read it has 80 hours of battery life, but I never measured it myself. And you can charge it on a USB port!

[@PixelShade]

My favorite controller for the Steam Deck, is the Steam Deck itself. I just have a 3m usb-c male-to-female cable connected to my dock! It's great. I have all the input I need and no added bluetooth latency! :D

[@praetorxyn]

The Flydigi Vader 3 Pro is the best Hall Effect controller I've found. Pity there is apparently no Hall Effect controller in a PS layout, as I prefer a PS layout for 2D games.

[@karlchiasson4946]

Imo, best controller for Steam Deck so far seems to be the DualSense. The track pad keeps things similar and you can get a bluetooth keyboard (unlike the dongle version for xbox) that mates with the controller.

[@PKM1010]

For me it's just about DS's gyro, it's great.

[@lavender188]

hard agree. i cant go back to any other controller ive used with the steam deck when docked.

[@hornantuutti5157]

Projector and using deck as controller. Best 😅

[@deamonlordzack7294]

Personally I use a 8BitDo Pro 2 XBox Controller now because I got tired of not every game that had controller support not recognizing my Dualsense controller & the 8BitDo Pro 2 XBox Controller basically has a PlayStation controller layout so since it is recognized by all my games for gaming docked on the Deck at least I now like using it the most. The 8BitDo Pro 2 XBox Controller I got also has Hall Effect Joysticks as well now so thats another plus over the Dualsense.

[@insu_na]

Both Xbox and DualSense are uncomfortable in my hands. My favourite overall is the dualshock 4

[@TodorImreorov]

8bit do wins every time ;)

[@chriscole9621]

I use a Dualshock 4 that I've had forever for everything. my desktop, steam deck, legion go, and so on. If it breaks and I dont feel like fixing it ill probably get a Dualsense controller ive never used that DS4 on an actual ps4 lol

[@Disasterpeach]

8 bit do ultimate is best I've tried.

[@xXAgeXx]

I suggest arcade sticks/hitboxes for the poll

[@gholg8074]

My 11yo son has tried many controllers and LOVES the xbox controller. It's the "it's more than the sum of its parts" thing.

[@koemi8255]

Sad to hear about Humble. I hope Monaco 2 is still coming out... The first one was so good 👏

[@christianguy6428]

I was just thinking about console controllers the other day. I was thinking how much more I love the feel of Xbox controllers over PlayStation's. It just feels more comfortable in the hands.

[@Xankill3r]

Consolidation *MUST* be made illegal. Straight up ill-fucken-legal.

[@manleyfgc7981]

you think you want this but you dont. freedom to buy and sell things you own is a good thing. It is just easy to lose sight of that when ppl dont actually own things like im assuming in your case.

[@Xankill3r]

@@manleyfgc7981 freedom to buy and sell what? Companies. We are talking about companies.

[@rsawyer757]

I personally prefer the DS4 to the Dualsense. Dualsense has more bells and whistles (which don't work with most games) but the DS4 just feels so much better in my hands. Best controller Sony's ever made hands down IMO. I wish they would've just added the new features to the same form factor. That being said I don't use a controller with my Steam Deck and with my gaming PC I use an 8bitdo Ultimate Controller. If I were to use a major first party console controller it would be an Xbox One controller, which is what I used before I got the 8bitdo. Again, personal preference obviously, but offset sticks are just far more comfortable to use than both sticks in the middle like on Sony's controllers. I'm in no way surprised that the Xbox controller won the poll. It's been the dominant controller on PC since MS released the 360 controllers with usb. Pretty much everyone has one and pretty much every game supports them. It makes sense that people have continued to use them, especially since they're typically cheaper than the Dualsense.

[@OffBrandChicken]

I think the controller vote was based on popularity as XBox by far is one of the most popular controllers for pc

[@theworldoffun8997]

Yeah because Xinput controllers are recognized as Xbox controllers and dinput ones are always troublesome unless you use steam input. Good thing everything works fine on Linux

[@SoundToxin]

@@theworldoffun8997 This is a good point. When I play with a leverless arcade controller using GP2040-CE or HayBox it shows up like an Xbox 360 controller. I think it's the same for my 8bitdo or GuliKit controllers in xinput mode. So that kinda messes with controller usage stats.

[@edmonddantes759]

Surprised pikachu face really when they sold their company to Ziff Davis back in 2017.

[@GraveUypo]

out of those controllers, i'd pick the pro controller, but in all honesty, those are all kinda bad choices. an 8bitdo or a gullikit are more affordable and BETTER in every way.

[@02stampede]

I sold my PS5 because the controller was so uncomfortable that my right hand would cramp. There are a lot of people on Reddit with the same issue and it's just a poor design despite having cool features. I own probably a dozen various controllers and the Xbox Elite is my go to for everything except the switch.

[@MatthewBosk]

Interesting, I play pretty much every day for multiple hours and never had hand cramps with the dualsense. I'm 35 so maybe it just hasn't hit yet? I can't stand the mismatched sticks on the xbox controller and don't want to shell out $100+ for a "pro/elite controller" since I mostly play single player games and not twitch shooters.

[@IrisNebula7023]

It's not poor design, it's a matter of preference and I suppose hand anatomy. I know people that are completely ok with both, and I stand in the complete opposite place from you: I love the PS5 controller, fits great in my hands, I can play for hours on end with no issues. The Xbox controller (and everything else with that shape like the GuliKit KK2) really hurt me, like my left hand starts cramping in 10 minutes for most games, and my wrists start hurting a few minutes after that if I keep trying. If I didn't know that so many people love it (like you), I'd be sure it's just awful design, but apparently that's why having choices is a good thing, we're all different :)

[@TargetRenegade]

Still rocking my Steam controller in 2024. 👍

[@Triknor]

I don’t think it’s really worth it to do a poll of third-party controllers being that they’re almost universally clones of first party controllers. Yes, those clones are often better than the originals, but I doubt their market share is significant enough in real life even amongst Steam Deck users.

[@Sin_Alder]

Hard to give a crap about Humble. I dipped once they started charging prices comparative to Steam (or more) and started trying to be their own distribution platform for the games, I'm pretty sure all of which was before they started making their own games. I still popped in once every couple years out of curiosity, and things only ever seemed to get worse. On top of that, the games they seemed to be behind looked to be no-name games I'd never heard of that didn't look remotely good or interesting, and appeared to be, like the vast majority of things they were selling at that point, overpriced. Hard to care about Humble shutting down when they haven't been worth a damn in about a decade.

[@Vaskomyr]

Think its pretty obvious that the games just weren't very profitable, that's what it comes down to at the end of the day. If your cost of production outweighs the profit, should you keep investing in a dead end? The juice ain't worth the squeeze, as they say.

[@bland9876]

Does this guy look like a granpa to you?

[@lightningvini]

That chart is all sorts of wrong 1. Dualsense 2. Steam controller 3. Xbox 4. Anything else 5. Switch

[@spicydeath82]

i mean microsoft nailed the controller design with the 360 controller. they improved it with the one/ series. but i will admit it is getting dated and could use new features like gyro. while i like the dual sense on pc, i use it wired as it's the only way to get full feature support and i don't like the lack of removable battery in a device i'll most likely never use wirelessly. so i have a lithium time bomb in my controller. also my hands are getting arthritic as the years go by and the triggers on the dual sense are starting to make my fingers hurt/ stiffen up.

[@rationallyright4626]

I have a xbox controller, but I don't have a xbox.

[@johnknight9150]

Meh, Humble have sucked for years now. GOG, that I would mourn! My old Logitech controller (still in heavy use) is the best controller. D-pad feels like an analogue stick. Unbeatable.

[@tr4veyb]

Like the smash button!!!!!! lol

[@evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753]

Did you can put allyOs the steam deck too

[@OneQuarterLife]

There's no such thing, it's just Windows.

[@Cute_Maxi]

If/when will Humble Bundle be affected??

[@GreenGorgeousness]

PS4 controller is goated for big hands. Still my favorite.

[@MarquisDeSang]

8bitDo NeoGeo CD controller

[@unleashthedog]

Why were you expecting the dual sense to be first pick? Sony is the biggest in the console market but PC gamers have had access to Xbox controllers the most. And there’s a big overlap between PC gamers and Xbox gamers. I actually thought you were about to say the PS controller won because you said you were surprised… I would have totally guessed Xbox. Also, dual sense as in the PS5 controller? There are half PS5 vs PS4… how was that your pick

[@seangreenhalgh7921]

I can't find the smash button?

[@RomanMlejnek]

CachyOS Handheld edition is better than Bazzite

[@MatthewBosk]

Re the poll results. It's probably due to more people having an xbox controller to begin with. PC gamers are more likely to have a Micro$oft controller, especially if they are using Window$. Would be interested to see how many people have which controllers, we would probably see that those who do own dualsense prefer it, possibly even if they have the xbox controller as well. Data is fun!! 😄

[@TemplePate01]

Ick I do not like the Xbox controllers x3

[@theskeletalrebel3908]

steam deck repair kit... how about more parts availability instead

[@MarceldeJong]

IGN is soulless.

[@TargetRenegade]

I'm really enjoying the DEI apocalypse.

[@mskiptr]

I hate unsymmetrical controllers

[@zlocish]

Your game looks really bad

[@voltronbgaming]

He put a lot of time, hard work, money and effort into that game. If you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Can you develop a game?

[@zlocish]

@@voltronbgaming His game looks really bad

[@Malefestus-ml9kw]

True even for a indie game it looks bad