Hondata vs Standalone ECUs Why And When You Should Upgrade Your Engine Management

In this video we talk about standalone ECUs vs Hondata and comparing the two with real world examples.
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[@humbleperformance]

Apologies ahead of time to people who had to stare at my face and hear me talk for 26 minutes.

[@tannerharkey]

Thank God I was offended as fuck

[@jmyd83]

the Haltech Flex fuel looks cool

[@DREPR0787]

tannerharkey 😒

[@tccurtis2932]

I accept your apology... But only this time...

[@jbrayda9]

How do you guys feel about Honda tuning suite?

[@itsupport8857]

Good explanation of the fundamentals. One way to put the differences in perspective is that Hondata, Moates Demons (Neptune), and any other grassroots Tuning platform for Honda's was basically built to be daughter-board drop-in's to the factory ECU, their by allowing access to what was otherwise factory restricted closed-loop programming, their by providing you open-loop tuning for your power goals beyond stock, but the take away is that the base of the OEM programming is closed-loop for optimal "stock" performance where you work around these parameters with the grassroots hardware in open-loop which many are a custom to.... With stand-alone systems, they're built from the get-go with access in mind, therefore they've placed much R&D into providing not only a platform that is pretty well plug-and-play (with vehicle adapter harnesses, etc), but is also closed-loop predominantly in real-time operation, and you focus on dialing in the system based on manufacturer data per your engine parts, and mathematics that apply no matter your setup and limitations which is ideal for what a stand alone system covers these days.... Flexible closed-loop tuning with good processing power that can be had in small packaging.

[@Spark972]

Thank you so much for this video. This is the kind of thing I like : a good technical speech. 👌

[@tentenmedia]

I have zero clue on the info I just listened to, but I will learn it all

[@bryangarcia8254]

This is probably one of the most informative videos I've come across in awhile

[@adamloader9534]

Well explained, you make it clear that the hondata is good but only in a set window that it's tuned for. Haltech will be able to adjust on the fly for air and fuels + it's easy to modify your set up and the car can run once small changes are entered into the ecu.

[@vtecsk8r]

I'm very impressed with the functionality of the haltech standalone.you explained alot of my questions I definitely feel like the 1500 will be in my future!!and the price is excellent!!

[@rhettwilder5338]

Can you guys do a video on suspension setups for street/strip/roll race setups? I currently have Koni yellow with GC and want to upgrade but there’s not much info out there. Thanks

[@dj4monie]

Corner balance, alignment, Power management, clutch control.

[@dj4monie]

Also the info is out there. Not on Facebook, Reddit or Instagram.

[@PeterFeltersnatch852]

Kenny don't sell YOURSELF short you don't look homeless your good! They DEF picked the right guy for the videos your KNOWLEDGE is PRICELESS! 👍👍 Hell of a job dude I learned I have a mk5 GTI and b8 apr stage 2 Audi A4 and you guys got my thinking it might be time to jump off the VW and onto the HONDA bandwagon.. So much more info, parts half the price and then when I pull my car to the garage get a bill for a 1000 or 2 or get turned away... Shocked on how many garages I went to and then turned away due to having an Audi and how people are scared to work on them.. Ty guys REALLY

[@brunomanco7529]

With a wideband, tuning air/fuel became easy. My main concern is to fine tune ignition timing advance to perfection, since its the only way to increase power in n/a cars

[@mikek24a]

So, on the K-Pro, we input a basemap and specify the target AFR, make a run, get the data log, and manually go into the fuel cells and adjust the columns. Whereas the Haltech, you put a AFR target and make a run and Haltech auto adjusts the the injector timings to satisfy your input/desired AFR target. A fast reacting/processing auto compensating ecu.

[@humbleperformance]

Yes within reason a haltech can make the adjustments on the fly. You still need to manually tune the fuel table, but different conditions can throw your fuel table out of whack. The Haltech can fix that on the fly whereas a KPro cannot. For example, a failing fuel pump can be compensated for like what happened to us at WCF

[@hdrenginedevelopment7507]

If you're really on a budget, but still want a lot of that fancy standalone ECU stuff, you can build a Megasquirt 3 for about $600, just have to be willing to solder and build a jumper harness and plan out your I/O setup. I've run my Hyundai Tiburon rallycross car on MS3 for two years and it's been great. Full VE tuning strategy, full sequential fuel and spark for up to 8 cylinders and a lot of the same trim tables and closed loop control options for half the cost.

[@hyrumbeck2739]

Love my Ktuner for my 06 Rsx type-S. Upload basemaps, mess with 2 step and shoot flames. Got it tuned with it a month ago and made 215hp with bolt-ons. Now ready to install my turbo kit and make more power!

[@alitoroganan2442]

How did that go

[@BA5HER123]

U guys have the best intro out of all the car guys!!! So well edited!

[@mandotorres80]

Great tutorial! I would use hondata for time attack and everyday driving..If I were to travel would swap use halltech elite 1500. Because,as you mention different air pressures in different states High low terrain. DIFFERENT temps and such.

[@Ozzy-built]

Talk more about aem infinity. Also more comparison to what stand alone has that Hondata doesn’t. Such as cam trigger. And more options to data log more sensors and so on. Great job Kenny. Love your videos. Can’t wait to see some racing in 2020. #StayHumble

[@gtredin2793]

H2B Boosted going with haltec or kpro inifinity is junk

[@paulforrester4057]

Infinity is old tech

[@georgebarton6098]

You really did a great job on the video...you explained that very well.. nice job my friend..........

[@chopy5046]

Great video.. the community needed this. Thanks again 👍👌🙏

[@LatinoAD]

Reason why im going aem v2 in my k series awd integra build. Better tuning, control on the race fuel I'll be running, better traction control, boost by gear for me, and crazy 2 steps lol. Kenny you always look homeless but I still love you mane haha 💜😎 .

[@batman95ism]

Thank you for making this video. Been looking at making the switch to an aem or haltech ecu. Thank you for explaining all this and showing their differences.

[@hegeliandetective1034]

I think because I drive from low elevation to high elevation, even with my daily driver, I'm considering the Haltech, it'll be worth more than the car itself but it'll be a great investment to start with something that helps in those cases for roadtrips.

[@workhard6445]

😂 im old school i started messing with Honda's back in the early 2000s. My best friend from highschool was seriously the first person in my area Orlando Florida to a k swap his civic before there where any swap harnesses or Internet support lol. Anyway i just recently was financially able to start my k swap project like 10 years after he completed his lol.and i was so behind on information that i went with the hondata kpro v4 honestly because of price and the fact i could use a good used or cheap aftermarket engine harness. Long story short i realized after never sending it to a tuner wanted to do everything my self including the fab work for the turbo setup i realized it is very slow compared to the newer stuff and you made alot of good points because my car is definitely not a daily just a weekend ripper no ac no radio lol. Im 40 years old born 84 so the wraith movie and Johnny 5 is what got me into cars at a young age and my uncle dad where v8 Chevy guys back in the 90s 😂😂 who would of thought i would fall in love with import 4 cylinders they would always pick on me back then saying no replacement for displacement 😂 now i can say i have a v8 4-cylinder 😂 2.4l k24 torque reminds me of torque that Hondas didn't have back in the 90s

[@shean-koklim4197]

"Look homeless" Hahahaha, Humble Performance Rock!

[@DjSubstain]

You don't look homeless bro, looks like you are getting work done. Cudos! Keep up the good work!

[@DjSubstain]

@ True that!

[@rob_over_9000]

$900 for a K-pro, it's hard to argue against a standalone at that price point. Only thing I could see keeping me on K-pro would be OBD2/emissions tbh

[@Ghaffur2005]

Haha that intro "i look homeless" made me laugh! keep up the hard work guys...love the videos

[@minnick99]

Whichever one you choose, if you are interested in learning how to tune it yourself, or would like to at least know your way around the software to make changes after having it tuned, I would highly recommend taking the courses at Evans Performance Academy. He has specific courses on Haltech, S300 and Kpro, among many other ECUs.

[@neomeg2232]

He's a decent tuner, but his courses are a joke

[@Cekmore]

I like it when you talk Nerdy!🍻🐈🔥

[@dublocivic3656]

Sold on the Haltech. I need to get on the VE wagon. Thanks for the breakdown, your videos are always informative and helpful, thanks bro!

[@w900kw2]

Damn man I'm still on neptune

[@3_Turner]

Right there with you. I got 2 cars on it but its still getting the job done until upgrade time.

[@connoisseuroftigolbitts]

Neptune was ahead of its time. Period

[@alekdamyanov375]

some people are still running on Uberdata, nothing wrong with Neptune. The only time you enjoy seeing a check engine light ;)

[@kutlee2009]

Me too. Although Neptune holds up, the p28 hardware is falling apart. Already went through 3 ECUs. It's better to get standalone and get free coil on pack upgrade

[@dj4monie]

OEM is very capable. The problem comes with inputs. This applies to most vehicles. Power management is the other main reason to run a stand alone.

[@jtotheace1]

I went straight to Haltech due to quality and the fact its all new. I am building a turbo K24A2 swapped MR2 hoping to not go broke before its done lol

[@dragon7thg]

Does haltech have the Bluetooth option so i could get rid off my gauge and have the gauge display on my phone like a cobb commander

[@Khandreaa]

Thinking of switching over from hondata to haltech for cam trigger ignition

[@audirx8]

Great video Learned alot about the ecu im running in my car(elite 1500) in k swapped rx8 Really good explanation. The elite is perfect ecu for engine swapping a rx8 if anyone is wondering. Everything works no lights on dash

[@jinxtacy]

You were able to sort out the dash and CANBUS?

[@audirx8]

@jinxtacy yes the elite has canbus Its tied into the rx8 hi/low canbus seamlessly

[@jinxtacy]

@@audirx8 That's awesome! Did you still have to cut into the firewall and remove the heater core? I love the chassis, but CANBUS and the heatercore were kind of dealbreakers for me. Seems like a super ideal pairing that is easier to live with.

[@jinxtacy]

@@audirx8 I realized I watched 7 minutes of your video at some point in the past haha

[@audirx8]

@jinxtacy i cut firewall yes and made a removable section up top so i can pull valve cover. Looks very stock like. Gonna be making a update video on my channel soon. Drove the car all last summer but just did a built k24 and re did alot of things over this winter. Complete wire tuck also and moved ecu into cabin without cutting or adding wiring. Just de pinned and fished everything back through drivers side firewall grommet

[@jirace]

How to wire up flex fuel sensor and EBC to the Haltech? I want to run the EBC in a push to close setup-not a bleed-off setup like a manual boost controller-so the solenoid runs to the top of the wastegate to keep the wastegate from cracking until desired boost is reached.

[@Jager4584]

Wish Haltech had models for newer generation cars. I have a Accord 2019

[@oregonizedgarage3023]

Lots of info! Thanks for the upload!

[@dgc474]

Always great to learn new things U give a great service into how tuning works Thanks love the information

[@johncrow5552]

Respectfully disagree about needing to have a table for altitude. A car running on a MAP sensor can handle changes in atmospheric pressure right there. Only time you need a table for changes in atmospheric pressure is if running throttle sensor instead of MAP.

[@ashwinloe303]

Don’t you mean MAF sensor vs MAP. I agree map sensor can handle changes in pressure that’s what the sensor does.

[@johncrow5552]

@@ashwinloe303 A MAF might need corrections, so would (not used by OEMS) a table based on throttle position. Throttle position based tables can be used in engines with big cams which don't create much/unsteady vacum.

[@DREPR0787]

Thank for the insight bro. Definitely good to know info. I gotta Hondata but may cross over at one point.

[@NISformance]

The haltech is universal also. So if ever need to sell it other car enthusiast can use it. Vs if you sell a honda ecu I cant use it at all haha

[@tylerrobertst-rob1731]

FuelTech vs Haltech?! I'm a FuelTech guy. But now that haltech has the new dash Imma probably swap over to the haltech plug and play with the new dash on my 04 SRT-4 drag car.

[@jrking1949]

You guys need to make more videos we need more videos...

[@TheOpenAirGarage]

Stellar information. This will help a lot of people.

[@sergysss]

nice video!!

[@juanmangerita]

Wow!! Great presentation done with average simple language ( no molecular structure of quantum parameters terminology)👍

[@hamsterh2b53]

Always love the intro

[@SRZRB]

Have you guys ever looked at fueltech? Those things look pretty bad ass on all the track cars and street cars I've seen.

[@lordoftherims436]

So why is it a problem using the haltech for a street car, if i ever go to all the time and effort to build a car i want to know exactly what is happening all the time and be able to have a fuel sensor that changes maps based on which fuel im running, and i want something that can throttle performance if manifold air temps are too high or if im experiencing hot engine oil or any other problems

[@thebuild3644]

Mind blown love the information great learning

[@davidcolquitt9981]

Free knowledge right here! Wow! Thanks for taking the to make this video!

[@kutlee2009]

If you add the cost of wideband controller, and the portability, haltech, aem etc wins

[@jdmr.3346]

No apologies you know your stuff I learned a ton.

[@seroqu1537]

This video was like drinking the greatest milkshake in the world but through my brain!

[@1dickycat]

Honestly listened to this like a mini podcast lol Loved the info, actually was easy to follow along and explains things pretty well. Just one quick question. So I live in the rockys and just me going from home to work (70 mile drive) is a 1000' change in elevation.. so if I wanted my car to go to and from work with ease, even tho it's a street car, I would be looking towards the haltech right? Or easier put, how much elevation change is too much for the hondata to handle?

[@humbleperformance]

If you tune the car correctly, Hondata will work fine. It just takes a bit more skill and finesse. But for us since we don’t regularly see that elevation every day it’s hard to guess where the tune should be for somewhere we’ll see maybe once

[@gearhead3500]

my oem ecu stock ecu adjusts itself i could drive anywhere without any problems how about that lol

[@Tec-fv2xb]

GEAR HEAD wow you’re so cool

[@Tec-fv2xb]

Aaron Cubitt wow you’re so cool too. Pussy

[@turejdmzcdohc1433]

I turned my tuner like this I want to make the world's fastest dual cam zc with as much boost as possible until the sleeves and the rods blow out the block at the end of the track with the fastest time and the highest boost in the world I've already ran 30 lb on aftermarket rods and pistons with stock sleeves and it wasn't even tune all the way up to 30 lb and only a block guard and ARP head studs hold that baby together so if anything say I like this to him I'm ready to make history 😎😎😎😎😎💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪🤘🤘🤘🤘🤙

[@Bytrl]

Proof read. Check your work. Consider context, proceed accordingly.

[@turejdmzcdohc1433]

All day everyday don't need to proofread nothing proofread and all the other crap is for pussies LOL JK JDM as f*** right now 😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘 is 2020 it's all about the full send ittt lol jk lmao

[@desmondmarshall7384]

Great video, thank you for explaining fully.

[@ef9b16a1]

hello , nice video , but kpro 4 also has closed loop target tables for that work with wideband input at wot , i have it working .

[@ze_german2921]

As a Chevy guy, the K Pro is like the HP tuner? And the Haltech Holley Dominator?

[@ARTOFPATIENCE]

Hard for me to subscribe on a channel but damn you guys are killing it.

[@Chuck-cx9gw]

That's great info and tons of it 🤘🤘. Thank you 🙏

[@kxlucifer]

Boostedboiz are lucky to have Brent he a beast .

[@jamzempire]

K Lucifer he’s a fucking beast! I saw him at world cup and i had to shake his hand!

[@clayniemeier1133]

I bought a 2006 Crv awd. I want to make a sleeper. They don't show a hondata for this model. I dropped it with coil overs.. What is my best option to start with if I want to build this to a beast. I may end up building a new engine, naturally aspirated, to take advantage of the AWD. To get the most hp without rebuying parts?

[@copperkeyracing6167]

Best explanation ever!!!

[@davebar2017]

For off road only ....right ? Swapping FI ECUs

[@antoniomiller4962]

Great job was explaining

[@capredline]

I like the haltech

[@AcuraLvR82]

Its funny we only live a few hours apart and I was just reading that same article on the k20.org page the other day.

[@danielchambers4946]

What do you think of the ecumaster black?

[@toki89666]

Thanks for doing this video its the one area I have been unsure about for my H22 turbo build plans. So say Im wanting 500ish for a mainly street use car with the above setup would I be able to have boost by gear with Hondata S300?

[@humbleperformance]

yes

[@toki89666]

@@humbleperformance it says alot about your character when you still reply to comments when you have 60k+ subscribers. Thanks!

[@kevinhawley962]

950 for a core ecu plus paying 4 k pro mite as well buy haltech 1500

[@puppetmasterblaster]

Elite 2500 is plug n play with OBD1 also?

[@humbleperformance]

Yes we have them on our web store

[@fullspoolcustoms3944]

Killer review kennyyy 💪

[@kennethhall1980]

I've not a fuggin 3.2a2 j series haltech is gonna be my way

[@jaredthisdelle5617]

Great info great vid keep it up guys respect cheers more vid yo

[@AMIGOALCAM]

Emerald k6 ECU or omex ECU are good.

[@kUNCHRIS]

The K-Pro doesn’t have an input for an air pressure sensor?... even most oems have that to allow the car to work at different altitudes

[@humbleperformance]

There’s zero way to tune for different atmospheric conditions accurately outside of being in this atmospheric conditions.

[@8300rpmallday]

how about to itb cam'd, k20 06 rsx type s with a/c and take road trips (long distance)

[@headshotlouiebfm5698]

great video, i learned a lot! thanks!

[@Imdustin88]

Finally someone speak plain English about where the extra money is going.

[@alarmman08]

Yo I don't know where you're located hopefully florida because I'd love to stop by with my project 88 accord.

[@brettyh1]

AEM Infinity is best bang for buck. Great ECU

[@nottobay6768]

Ngl it took me a second to remember pounds was a currency not just a weight measurement. 😂

[@DJCallitquits]

Just spend the money and get the Haltech... I don’t give a shit if you have to save up for months six months whatever..it’s worth it.

[@joegama57]

Pretty damn good video! Thanks alot man 💯

[@bujin5455]

great comparison.

[@ze_german2921]

Does the Kpro allow to be tuned by the owner or are the the tunes locked by the tuner. ? What ever I purchase I want to make sure I own it can make changes myself without having to pay to play.

[@jackdub7740]

yo bro0 has the v tech phones when they ring do they go brbrbrbrRRRRRIIIIIINNNNGNGGGG?

[@Everydayprojects365]

So the halltech is way better for road racing ??

[@MigzNthings]

Thanks Kenny!

[@TheDiamoniteG]

You guys know you can set up closed loop fueling in boost right?

[@lyanbv]

Is there anyone who comes close to Steve Dinan from the honda community?

[@whocares5188]

I have an 04 rsx type s that I'm building the k20 and putting a turbo on. Goal 400-430whp. Street car. But I'm so lost on what I need to do with that transmission . I know I'm going with an lsd I just don't know what transmission or if I can make the 6 speed good? I just want a transmission that can handle mild Street activities without always having to pull a broken transmission. Any tips?

[@boostededwin2883]

Would haltec 550 be better thanks hondata?

[@christopherwhite8877]

Thanks, great info.

[@lukaszplacha3893]

THIS INTRO IS FU... SICK

[@kelrobins7476]

Nice explanation mate shit I'm still running a haltec intercepter from early 2000s lol need to catch up ☝️☝️

[@mattm2411]

how does one wire a car from scratch with it? i just need the basics. my k swap wont turn on. keeps popping a fuse, fuel pump wont prime and it only cranks. tons of problems.

[@alonzo562]

So would you say that ktuner is basically similar to hondata?