Hunt Showdown: How Shotguns Work (Advanced Analysis)

[@ZuDummZumKackenLP]

You know what would be nice? an updated video about this topic! A lot of the spreads have been changed and because of the new custom ammo for shotguns, there is a lot more to consider when choosing the right gun. an updated video about the shotguns, their spread, the custom ammo and how it affects spread and so on would be really nice!

[@nepdisc3722]

Definitely need an update for the Romero Alamo and Windfield Slate/Terminus

[@transcent7]

@@nepdisc3722 find and watch Hunt Showdown: How Shotgun Reticles Deceive You video on YT.

[@LeonardEisen]

I would love an updated video

[@vin8449]

I'm surprised the Crown doesnt behave like the long barrel variants but I guess we sacrifice tighter spread for the fast rate of fire. Amazing detail and work to get this revealed, I never knew about all this info but always assumed the Romero was the best shotgun in terms of range/spread

[@4FSGaming]

The Romero is a really nice weapon for that single shot

[@kriegkorpsman402]

Yes the Romero is nice but if we combine the rng involved with all shotguns with fact that it is a single shot barrel, i think that the disadvantage is obvious. I prefer the Caldwell Rival much more.

[@coolpilot7819]

I guess the crown doesn’t behave like the others because the ammunition IRL is just 20 gauge which isn’t bad but is not as good as the ammunition the other long barrel guns use. Well it’s probably just a balance thing for being semi automatic

[@adaug27]

This is stellar work from Ascendance from 4FS. The work you put in to break down mechanics and release guides for the game shows, and I dont think anyone is doing this as well as you are

[@13rnvences]

Wow, this some real scientific shit. Dam good work, hunt players need more vids like this. Cheers

[@mumblesmcgee121]

Bravo on another amazing tutorial video. I have a friend who LOVES the Caldwell Rival, so you know I'll be forwarding this video. :D

[@RachtaZ]

Really useful. Thanks

[@jiamuk]

Thanks for this excellent analysis and for keeping it concise.

[@Acerrzzz]

Pretty much knew all of this but never expected the spectre to have such a good spread. I always do terrible with it. Great work btw, very good video! Shows how good the Romero hand cannon really is.

[@theanarchistguy]

thanks for the hard work mate nice to finally know how shotguns work

[@ManuelMartinez-dq4wm]

I knew all of this, still find some shotguns to be really inconsistent. Specially the Specter, I've had hit targets really close in the chest and they didn't die. I find the Caldwell Rivel to be more consistent than the Specter, even with the wider spread of it's bullets.

[@daxexter2754]

Agreed. That Spectere "should" be better than the Caldwell but I do have more success with the Caldwell. Not complaining, I do love the the Caldwell but the Spectere "Should" still be somewhat better.

[@dalekmasterblaster585]

@@daxexter2754 Due to the fire rate of the specter being slow, and the muzzle velocity of the pellets being slow, the caldwell rival is able to put more pellets at a faster pace.

[@N0031inq]

@@daxexter2754 no it "should" not. When there is only 1 target a coach gun is faster than a pump action. But if you have more than 1-2 targets the coach gun runs out of ammo and that is where the pump action shines. They are different and one is not better than the other in real life and I think it works well in game as well.

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

Agreed. A lot of people mentioned this in the Steam forums, including me, but my god, the shills try to defend this and pin the blame on the critics as being "bad" and "not understanding how shotguns works". They're full of it. I had a guy with a Crown and King wall-bang and killed me from 11 meters away and I can never kill anyone with one blast from that far away with a shotgun.

[@ptodd5373]

I can't wait for the next video. I really like shotguns. The one thing I'm sad about is the hatch as I would really like to use it.

[@cej3940]

As a shottie main, I have constantly reviewed this video before my matches Good effort mate

[@aznpanda510x]

I’m a noob main and want to be a shotgun main too. Which shotgun should I use?

[@cej3940]

@@aznpanda510x They each have their own playstyles, romero players play more hit and run compared to a more "pushy" specter or crown and king while rivals are a composite between the two

[@hunterthompson6295]

Like the Content man. I find these videos very informative. Keep up the great work 🤙

[@TheClownesque]

Big up on this video. I've NEEDED something like this, but I'm too lazy to do it myself. Keep up the great work. I'm not even interested in other games on this channel, but subbing for the quality here.

[@SpyroL33t]

14 pellet leave my barrel and paints the outline of a hunter around the wall at 5 meters. Missing all of it. 14 pellets leave the barrel of an enemies shotgun at 20 meters and kills me. Everytime.

[@coolpilot7819]

I feel ya it’s so annoying

[@ReadySetPainter]

I never have any issues with shotguns. Always dropping kids upclose

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

Yep. I shot a guy within 5 meters with a Caldwell Rival 78 to the stomach and I hit him earlier with my Mosin Nagant Obrez. I don't think he had time to even heal from my Mosin shot but he lived and I died. Later on, a guy killed me with one blast with the same shotgun at 9 meters away. I had full health and I wasn't even facing him, he shot me at my side.

[@usernameig975]

Yes fucking every time... I shoot at a guy from halfa meter right to the chest, nothing happens And He kills me with an axe. Then I play some quickplays, dude shoots at me from 8 meters and instantly kills me ( with the same weapon that I had, which was a sawn off romero). How does that make sense? Imo, shotguns ruin the Fun of Hunt since they are So fucking unfair...

[@rabbitez]

Excellent video, thanks for being straight to the point.

[@drumst1225]

Very nice analysis, thx for that

[@4FSGaming]

No worries!

[@Rmckenzie1980]

Great work on this video! Very interesting

[@4FSGaming]

Thank you!

[@igorneves2014]

a brazilian sub telling you to continue the video serie! amazing content

[@heymelon]

Great breakdown as always!

[@lordmado3918]

pls update this, nice work btw.

[@82ProGamer]

Great video that came up just in time, shotguns feel so inconsistent I now know why. Thanks!

[@acewiddlewade2566]

Great video love watching your content

[@Slammigon]

The Crown King Auto is now a medium barrel shotgun for a long time. It has been changed a year ago or so. Guess you missed that in the patchnotes. Anyways, this is a good video for understanding the shotguns more ^^

[@jimmyashtray7665]

excellent breakdown, well done

[@ulfricsombrage]

Excellent video, I had the feel that specter was more efficient than Caldwell rivals, but I didn't understand why ^^^

[@blame7121]

Great video. They should probably change it so shotgun always deals bleeding for the sake of consistency. At least removing one RNG element from the guns.

[@coolpilot7819]

This is so helpful I’ve been wondering about this

[@Indyscout]

Excellent research and video

[@michaelmccoy2384]

This is exactly what im looking for in a video on hunt.

[@davidsnedden4796]

Great video. I'm pretty sure melee has been mostly buffed lately rather than nerfed. They brought a lot in line with the machete when they put out the heavy knife. That being said you may as well use a knife instead of gimping your shotgun. Wish you had included information on the specter bayonet, but I assume it is somewhere around the rival in spread with it's shorter barrel.

[@xcorvoattanox2324]

This is amazing and can't wait to share it with my fellow hunters...

[@FreakishWizardthegamingwizard]

Eye opening information thanks

[@BrilliantBenGaming]

Yes, the Romero Hatchet is one stressful weapon to use. I rarely get a kill with the shot and then have to charge with the blade for a follow up attack.

[@TheMegaPingasMobile]

that's how you use it, nothing stressful in it you should know it goes like that

[@TheMegaPingasMobile]

@Ian Robertson nothing to do with hitboxes and that's not how the balance of the game works

[@yeright1977]

Very useful, thanks for this!

[@B.Salcon]

Great video man.

[@Dikilog]

Great video! That was very useful :D

[@ChiefTomcat]

I've been pissed because I've basically been sniped by a Romero. Now it all makes sense.

[@SicariusCZ]

Thanks

[@reddeadmad1803]

Amazing work

[@jinthedood549]

Nice work!

[@hankchinaski2893]

Nice work, thx. One question: is there a difference in spread when ADS instead of hipfiring ?

[@randomstupiddude3565]

I had saw vid somewhere but ... didn't remember No it doesn't

[@tzera_rhuon]

I was curious about this as well, as shotguns in Borderlands have a tighter spread when ads, which never made sense to me.

[@evad687]

There’s 0 reason to ADS with shotguns in this game

[@robertharris6092]

@@tzera_rhuon what does borderlands have to do with hunt: showdown?

[@tzera_rhuon]

@@robertharris6092 Aside from both games being 1st-person shooters with shotguns, very little, however the original question was whether there is a difference in spread pattern between hip-fire and ADS, in Borderlands there IS. Since spread occurs anywhere within the crosshair in Borderlands, ADS leads to a more accurate shot as it shrinks the crosshair, potentially causing more damage as less pellets are likely to miss. That is really not how a shotgun should behave.

[@GreenFlame16]

Is there an updated video to take all the changes and ammo types into the equation? And more importantly - list of 1-shot-kill ranges for each shotgun(at least for buckshot), I'd be happy if I could get just a comment with shotgun list and respective oneshot to the torso ranges

[@kurrjur]

Great info thanks!

[@NickRitorto]

i'm really hoping this helps solve my issues with not killing in one shot with the romero in the 10 meter ish range

[@Felix2good]

Can we get an update as of 1.5.2, devs said on livestream that this has changed for some shotguns

[@deadxbyxdawn306]

Hunts very own rogue9

[@ugolattanzio9152]

I’m really thinking about getting this game, holy moly

[@tzera_rhuon]

Make sure you play with headphones 👍

[@ugolattanzio9152]

Rebecca C always

[@hypertheo3683]

This video was really useful thanks for you efforts! Me and my friend were wondering why the hack we cant one shot people with shotguns.

[@dontgivenoatall2536]

@4FS Gaming Your video is ridiculously helpful BUT with the 1.4 patch for the test servers coming out they are changing the ranges on the Romero's handcannon variants. Could you pleeeeeeease do a video on these to update us once it goes live on the normal servers?

[@HashMeerX]

hey buddy can you do a similar video with fanning? for the pistols showing the spread and then fanning vs levering spread and speed of kill time, it would be good content to watch thanks

[@봉춘-s6n]

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[@1nfamyX]

Appreciate this video. Is it still accurate 2 yrs later? There have been a decent amount of adjustments but i dont recall many for shotguns?

[@drimun2774]

Good job!

[@vc1586]

You got me G 👍

[@DrDefibrillators]

I really wish they’d do what nearly every other game has done, and make consistent spreads that get less accurate as your crosshair widens. Treat it like other guns, and reward good aim instead of luck

[@erikselander6400]

good job!

[@SpecOps1313]

Started playing recently and have been looking for specific info on the different shotguns. This video is exactly what I needed, thanks for the detailed analysis! Are the spray pattern images available to download anywhere?

[@GREEEENYYY]

Thanks for this vid. Keep an eye out for GREEN E spooking around in the bushes on the ocey servers ;)

[@chriser5146]

What about the winfield terminus and handcannon?

[@unwisethefox8808]

Thank you very much for this information. I play quite often with Romero Hatchet and never thought that the spread would differ from the standard Romero Handcannon, as they are the same weapon apart from the Hatchet. Is this still updated ? Because I do kill people quite often within 10-15meters radius with the hatchet, sometimes, as funny as it sounds, without SLUGS.

[@nunull6427]

If you hipfire at center mass a decent amount of pellets hit the head and torso even of they cheek it.

[@nickmclean4004]

Ik it's an older vid but idk where to ask: Do you know how far the actual pellets can travel? Ik dmg will drop off immensely but that's not the point for me. It seems buckshot can trigger barrels from quite an exceptional distance. Moreover, Dragons Breath seems to be able to ignite things even further than the actual buckshot can reach (tested on barrels and AI- not convinced the pellet's reach is extended or if it's just the DB fire aspect). This could be fun, in the case of the LeMat and Sparks combo, seeing as how you literally only need 1 point of damage to follow up for a kill. Lastly, how far can DB actually ignite hunters, given the spread?

[@kirthgersen291]

When is it winfield slate and terminus ?

[@alexishuon8440]

Awesome video, also I am looking into the LeMat effective distance of the shotgun shot since there is no information regarding that vital piece of information. Do you have any stats by chance ? Cheers

[@4FSGaming]

It's identical to the caldwell handcannon

[@alexishuon8440]

@@4FSGaming Fantastic Thanks Mate :)

[@ashcurlyfries5821]

do i use romero or caldwell?

[@pauldziadzio3056]

Since this was posted they've obviously removed the bleed mechanic, but were there any other changes, or are these spreads still on point?

[@4FSGaming]

The romero handcannon and hatchets have had their spreads improved, while everything else should remain consistent!

[@dedeferreira98]

fucking love the Romero

[@Ironraven24]

is this video still relevant in 2021? has anything been adjusted between the shotguns or their spread? appreciate the vid, explains a lot thank you

[@Moffattt]

another comment got the answer they asked so il just copy paste hes answer "The romero handcannon and hatchets have had their spreads improved, while everything else should remain consistent!"

[@OsKuukkeli]

No wonder I seem to snipe people with the Romero 77 Handcannon and nobody dies to the hatchet or specter compact.

[@ambidexmed]

Would be nice with Terminus added

[@robertharris6092]

They should just increase the number of pellets to increase consistency.

[@leopoldo3884]

ehh from 14 to 16 maybe

[@robertharris6092]

@@leopoldo3884 3.5 inch shells hold around 18 pellets. So its doable.

[@funnyboys1235]

Is it possible to download this tool to try it out? Great video btw

[@MrA1ze]

spectre is best? or i didnt understand the english???? spectre or normal caldwell ?

[@JWBaSiTo]

Hey, I was gonna make a video on Hunt’s shotguns! Try not to cover everything, would you? :p Haha who am I kidding, looking forward to a very informative and entertaining vid!

[@Apsandman]

Any of this kind of data on the Win Terminus?

[@jordanseidl9765]

What about the Winfield 1893 slate? Did I miss this or did he just not put it on there 😅

[@4FSGaming]

The video is 2 years old, the slate has only been with us for a couple of months

[@bessljo]

Was the data collected standing? moving? Crouching? and what are the affects of each of those?

[@4FSGaming]

Spread is not impacted by anything you do. Jump, run, crouch, ads, it always stays the same

[@TheHernaki]

@@4FSGaming and if you aim?

[@Mini-uh1ok]

@@TheHernaki Can you read?

[@luwkavyw1547]

Дякую👍

[@HerrW0lf]

Is this still accurate?

[@Nobody-dl4tm]

I'm surprised the crown is that tight. I'd assume it had the worst spread of all the shotguns based on my experience

[@CaptainYesz]

Has there been changes since this video?

[@4FSGaming]

Both romero handcannons have had their spread decreased.

[@completelyfiller159]

can we get an update on this with the new winfield terminus?

[@4FSGaming]

It's the same as specter bayonet

[@SirFandingo]

So is each pellet the damage number or is it for example, romero does say 100 dmg, does each pellet devide by the 100 dmg

[@4FSGaming]

The damage number shows the expected damage of the weapon if you aim upper chest at 10m. This is variable for shotguns because of a degree of randomness in the spread pattern. The damage of each pellet is not known.

[@SirFandingo]

Ah ok, so if 2 pellets hit someone and all pellets would it be same damage. I'll have to write in hey

[@blushadoblackcoat192]

i have a question : you say every shot gun one shots a hunter in the chest ... even a handcanon that deals 85 damages per shot ? How is it possible to one shot with a shot that normally deals only 85 damages to the chest ? I don't understand the mechanic ... Thanks for answers guys :)

[@4FSGaming]

The damage stat refers to how much damage it deals at 10m. Closer than that it is higher.

[@blushadoblackcoat192]

@@4FSGaming ok thanks for the answer

[@oh0stv]

Amazing work thanks. So is it sure now, that shotguns indeed do headshots? I heard a couple of times that there is no difference between head and body with shotguns.

[@OsKuukkeli]

They do extra dmg on a headshot yeah.

[@raylowe6553]

Weird I seem to clap ass with the Hatchet but I don't have nearly as much luck with the handcannon

[@mahoganybookshelf3284]

Hello, I’m here because I don’t want to ask reddit again.. In the current version of Hunt, is the spector bayonet range, spread, and damage the same as the standard variant? I know the stats don’t say so but I’ve been told the stats aren’t accurate. If someone could confirm the bayonet doesn’t affect the range and damage that would be SWEET.

[@4FSGaming]

They bayonet takes the barrel length from a long category barrel to a medium length barrel. This does not impact either range or damage statistics, but it does greatly increase the spread, so you will hit less bullets, functionally decreasing both range and damage by a significant degree as seen in this video. The spectre bayonet is a pretty significant downgrade to the normal spectre, I usually avoid it.

[@mahoganybookshelf3284]

@@4FSGaming I really appreciate the video and the response. Sorry if my question seemed redundant, I was just unsure because I’ve been told the Romero hatchet spread was buffed since this videos release. (Edit) You said the damage and range stats aren’t impacted. However on console the Spector has 12 m range, and 185 damage while the bayonet has 10m and 175 damage. Maybe the stats screen is different on console?

[@chicagobreed502]

I can take 5 bloody damage from a romero at range and still bleed like somebody stabbed me in my jugular

[@NullerGnuen]

same here, the bleeding they cause are utterly random, took 16 damage through a wooden wall by a crown'n'king at 14 meters, started bleeding right away .. yet I have been hit by other shotguns at below 10 meters taking 100+ damage and no bleed ..

[@lexsdragon1554]

Guys was romero hatchet fixed to have spread like handcannon or handcannon nerfed close to hatchet spread in last year? Is this video still correct?

[@4FSGaming]

The explanations of how shotguns work is still accurate, however individual weapons have received a handful of balances. The hatchet now has much better spread than shown in this video.

[@lexsdragon1554]

@@4FSGaming thanks for the quick answer! Love your work and content!

[@murderyogafin]

You an also shoot someone with Romero 77 (long one) to guy, who stands 1m away with you and not hit.

[@harold9061]

oh boi rip "center of spread can be anywhere within your crosshair" argument

[@Joseph-eg7rq]

that was actualy true for most of early access was changed to this like 2-3 updates before full release

[@impc8265]

how about the shotbolt crossbow

[@4FSGaming]

All pellets will land where you hit the target.

[@leopoldo3884]

ok so basicly DONT use specter bayonet or romero hatchet, specter compact is overpriced and le mat is really good for a small slot since its a shotgun 1 shot at melee range and it comes with 9 compact bullets too

[@takunrr6864]

I was wondering tho does hip fire and ads have different spread ?

[@Mini-uh1ok]

No. Neither does moving

[@NullerGnuen]

@@Mini-uh1ok or jumping or crouching..

[@E77er]

Protip from 5 star hunter: If you complain about shotgun spread pattern don't play shotgun or try to play slugs!

[@julios999]

hmm, i guess im gonna give specter a shot, heh

[@OBtheamazing]

damn i didnt know that having the bayonet on the specter made it that much worse...

[@zstangkrewson]

Teammate hit a hunter last night wit ha specter within 3m, 2x last night, getting 2 hit marks in abdomen and chest, and hunter still survived..

[@davidthompson184]

Sucks how irrational the shotgun spread is. A shot that will kill someone one game, does barely any damage with the same exact scenario in another game. Really wish they’d work on fixing it. Really annoying.

[@andrewbutler4374]

Any chance you can check the spread pattern on the Shotbolt? Very curious to see how that behaves after the bolt connects.