Hunter Pet Misconceptions - Classic WoW

[@Riokaii]

it does have the fastest attack speed in the game, it has 1.0. that sentence is not claiming it is the ONLY pet with that attack speed. the bat also has the fastest attack speed in the game, the same 1.0 1.0 is the fastest attainable pet attack speed in the game. broken tooth has that fastest attack speed

[@classict.j.1311]

I see that argument, and I suppose it's not wrong technically. However, I think it has lead to many people thinking Broken Tooth is the only pet that can attack with a 1.00. My aim was just to inform them that Broken Tooth has ONE of the fastest attack speeds in the game.

[@ivobaar1761]

I wanted to comment this too, but thanks to you I do not need to :) I think if you are already nitpicking, you should do it right

[@alphonsbretagne8468]

Well .. it's probably less ambiguous to say: 1.0 is the fastest attack speed in the game instead of naming a specific pet with that speed. I remember people won't believe me when classic hits, that there's more than BT with 1.0. Even though I claimed that I had both, BT and the (tank annoying screeching) ZG bat, back in the vanilla days.

[@juyagar6614]

@@classict.j.1311 yes, of TWO:-)

[@dusieqq]

Just lvled my first hunter ever to lvl 10 yesterday im completely new to wow and decided to play with a veteran friend of mine, this video was suuuuper informative for me and i cannot thank you enough for it, subbed, liked, watched all the ads too. Much respect

[@Sage2000]

Hi! Comming back to wow in fresh today! I would love to read insights about Alliance options for pets, professions and races. Most importantly: If I go Dwarf, I must use the boom stick... I cant help it. So Engineering actually helps or not for Guns while leveling?

[@tendrillion3580]

Raptors are just as valid, you can't worry about a pet's performance without being specced in beast mastery, and if you're specced in beast mastery you're gonna have the movement speed talent, which at the very least will make raptors not slow without dash. The difference in dps between the both is stupidly small, to the point where it's not worth it to even push a choice. I can't see myself trying to convince someone to get a cat vs a raptor just because they're gonna kill some mobs 0.6 seconds sooner.

[@MrOrmanley]

Some things I'd like to add: 1) While cats use focus on dash, it regenerates on the way to the target, also movement speed can mean survival/utility too, and that makes a big difference. Cats also eat fish in addition to just meat, so superior there too. As an added bonus, they have prowl, which can have it's advantages too,even in raiding. Raptors have nothing to show to make up for any of those advantages, hence cats>raptors 2) 1.0 is the fastest attack speed avaiable, BT has it => BT has the fastest attack speed. Blood seekers having it as well doesn't make it a misconception ;). I have heard that the blood seekers actually have a 0.9 attack speed, which would indeed make them faster, and which indeed would make the statement regarding BT false, I have however not seen any evidence of that being true. Extensive testing would be required. 3) Both Lightning Shield and Shadowguard are limited to proc once every few seconds, hence pet speed doesn't impact them really.

[@SmugHomura]

Great video! Pet's are quite complex and finding trustworthy information about them is surprisingly hard.

[@patz2994]

I dont know why homura-sama need this information

[@ethanpennington692]

forgot the reckoning ret paladin... basically makes it so when they get to you. you will die in one hit.

[@rse3946]

if*

[@travis3567]

I have The Rake and I won’t be swapping him for broken tooth… too much attachment lol

[@BrettyPOV]

Not sure If I missed it but I didn't hear you mention priest martyrdom. When they get crit they go immune to pushback and actually get a heal over time on themselves for a % of the dmg of they also go in to blessed recovery

[@orbital1004]

Really nice video T.J., it triggers many thoughts for hunter pet lovers. You mentioned you wouldnt find such food for thought when it comes to pets in later expansions. From TBC onwards they equalised all attack speeds and made it more talent/ability dependent, so I agree with that. However, in WotLK... they increased the pet species range, redefined their abilities to many more plus the exotic ones for BM and even created three different talent trees (tenacity, ferocity and cunning), which also gives a LOT of thinking for solo playing, raiding and PvP. Just as a personal addition! :)

[@pancreasdragonheart9765]

You can buff your pets with Mark of the Wild, Kings, Agility, Strength etc. How does this effect their damage, and does the argument about attack speed still hold?

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

7:05 The spec your showing is the standard Arms 31-20 spec, so yes, you would run into this. Or, more like it would run into you :)

[@dylandoyle493]

Cats can Prowl, which confers a 50% bonus on the first attack, and it lasts until broken so the focus can regen before combat.

[@AtomCat357]

Very good video dude, keep it up!

[@user-bu9fw2fs9f]

Dash will make a cat get to the target and start auto attack faster and also get focus going faster so they deal more damage for those reasons too

[@Qr1M371m3]

nice research, very informative

[@artit91]

pro tip: flying creatures are more annoying in pvp and that is enough to dominate casual players

[@JaggyEN]

not broken toooooth! :p I might level a hunter in classic realms, I think I might opt for banga or something else. I feel like there are sooo many good looking pets! I switched to druid in cata and didnt look much into hunters ever since. Subbed :)

[@davidlejenkins]

Dispelling hunter myths... absolutely CLASSIC TJ move.

[@codyjungers]

What about pet buffs and how they affect the pets dps. LIke wouldn't the buff from a juju of power do more dps on a faster attack speed?

[@apollosungod6673]

I don't think so, because the pet dps is the same across the board regardless of their base attack speed and attack power bonuses add a flat amount of dps, I think that means the dps is still the same as the buff is the same on both pets. However, there is something to be said about pet survivability, especially in raids. I find that faster attack speed pets get more of their damage off before dying in fights where I have to worry about that so the damage they contribute is technically higher than the slower attack speed ones. Or even in really short trash fights the faster ones tend to be more efficient because they will get more hits off rather than waiting for their next swing.

[@jamesbaggett3655]

No mention of reckoning? Hunter pet is a reck specced pallies best friend.

[@Stockaholics]

If claw procs frenzy shouldn't a 2.0 speed cat be the highest dps? It means the 30% bonus will actually have more uptime since the specials are procing it and the base attack is consuming less charges. I could see 1.0 being better in very short fights and 2.0 being superior in sustained fights. If the mobs are facing your cat many also have a chance to block, meaning a bigger % of your cat's attack will be blocked with a 1.0 speed pet vs 2.0. I havn't played a hunter before so if special attacks like claw don't proc frenzy than this is accurate and I am wrong.

[@bjorntuttifrutti]

Had this discussion a long time ago with a Friend and he explained it like this to me: 30% is 30%. Doesnt matter if you gain a larger chunk because all pets have the same dps. 30% out of 100 dps will be 30% no matter. Not sure if that helps or holds true but i hate math!

[@arcanine_059]

​@@bjorntuttifrutti I would agree with you if it were increasing DPS or Damage by 30%. The tooltip states it's increasing attack speed by 30%. So in theory a slower attack speed would gain more. 2.0 => 1.4 (30% of 2 = 0.6) vs 1.0 => 0.7 (30% of 1 = 0.3). Since damage is not being modified, the 2.0 pet actually experiences a larger DPS increase. On the other hand, maybe blizz calculates a 30% increase against a hidden 'attack speed' number instead of a swing timer. Meaning a 1.0 speed pet has a higher attack speed number and actually experiences a larger benefit than a slow pet. On the other other hand, maybe the damage value a pet produces is normalized to a pets 'active' atk speed. Meaning Frenzy doesn't actually increase pet DPS at all (xD lmao) It'd have to be tested but few ppl raid with this talent so I think that's why noone cares to test this lol.

[@svetoslavyanyov8852]

Yes, this is what I was thinking. On top of that, a 2.0 pet with 30% attack speed might be pushed to the point where it can maintain permanent attack speed buff.

[@diamondngocplayer1740]

It’s normalized attack speed vs damage because the cat do less damage per swing compare to a slower attack cats , the only major difference is how outer factor effect the attack and effect such as frenzy or gift of arthas

[@dangusprime]

'Pet-topia' not 'Peto-pedia' 🤣

[@Neotidus]

Good video. What made you stop making videos. Seemed like your channel was growing nicely

[@bandit7459]

1. Losing focus by using dash is still going to net more dps. Claw doesn't actually do much damage at all. Those 2-3 auto attacks lost are better than a lost claw. If your using an owl/bat your losing uptime on screech when it matters...at the start of the fight where healers are getting into position. 2. Raiding/pvping as BM isn't common. Frenzy point is moot. 3. Many guilds with high melee counts run Gift of arthas in raids. The faster the pet attacks the more dps while this debuff is up.

[@classict.j.1311]

Raiding as BM isn't common, but it does happen. Go to the Classic WoW discord and you'll find a number of hunters who proudly raid as BM, knowing it isn't the top DPS spec available. So saying something is "moot" because it applies to the group that isn't the majority seems elitist.

[@bandit7459]

Classic T.J. I probably spend more time on there than most. Regardless your talking about an extreme minority. Hence why I said it was uncommon.

[@jimiwall1251]

Tank runs GoA -> BT best dps?????????? Didn’t mention gift of arthas?

[@MarcDurochez]

Every tank runs GoA, and that's why BT is the best PvE pet ou 1.2 Wolf (for utilities)

[@tehSunBro]

First, you don't run, BM or Cts in raids. Raidspecc is almost allways Marksman, Also pets will get demolished by AOE attacks. You either have a Windserpent for some extra ranged damage, or the more popular Wolf, that is only there to use Furious Howl. For PVP fast speed is still desirable, as you will kite a Warrior anyways, so the crit buffs don't really matter. Being able to knockback spells is much more valuable. Third there is one major downside of using a 1.0 pet, and that is solo play. In the regular BM/MM specc 1.0 Pets (Bats are still less DPS then cats, so BT is still the only real viable 1.0 pet) Broken Tooth will have a really hard time keeping up with the hunters aggro. The sweet spot is at 1.2/1.3 attack speed. I personally use a 1.2 cat. So the 3 pets you want are: A Wolf/Wind Serpent for raids. Broken Tooth for PVP A 1.2/1.3 cat for Solo farming. Personally i don't care too much for PVP, and using a 1.2 cat is not that much worse, so would forgo BT for a Carrion Bird, for its Screech ability.

[@classict.j.1311]

"Raidspecc is almost allways Marksman" You say "almost", meaning there are hunters that aren't Marksman . That's the people I am speaking to here. And you talk about kiting a warrior as if it's an easy win. That's easier said than done, as I've found warriors to be a nightmare if they get the charge on you, especially in a BG where other variables are present. I agree with the lit you have tho. I use: 1.2 Cat DPS/PvP Scorpid for Solo (Preference, not because it's best) Windserpent

[@andrewjames4786]

@@classict.j.1311 Why would you run BM in raid? And beyond that, if you're already running a suboptimal spec why does it matter what pet you have in raid? You'd do more damage using MM spec without a pet than BM with a pet.

[@da1cloud]

Solo farming is ruled by how quickly you can tag the mob (especially if their loot is valuable) SO....gorillas make a better pet. There's nothing quite like pulling 4-6 mobs and having your pet thunderstomp, FD and burn down the mobs before another players rolls through an area.

[@apollosungod6673]

I'm gonna have to disagree with this. If you are properly managing your pets cats are still a sizable dps increase overall in raids for hunters even with virtually no investment in the BM tree(all I take is imp aspect of the hawk for the proc). Wind serpents are nice, but their focus dump costs 50 focus and can be resisted. Claw/Bite(claw is used much more) cannot. Plus, when you factor in tier set bonuses for resistances and the way you spec your beast training there's no reason why your pets shouldn't have at least a 50% uptime in bossfights in raids since a lot of the aoe damage is an elemental type...

[@joseamaral4955]

imagine broken tooth attacking a reckoning pally ☠☠

[@notsure7060]

I tamed BT when Classic came out reading this "misconception" on wowhead and i still have him a lvl 60

[@user-qh9vh2vs7f]

good video

[@GPTLeader]

Chain Lightning= Rip Pet

[@Carpatouille]

Well cats ARE the highest DPS with Frenzy, because cats do more damage than bats, and scale better than Raptors with it if you have Broken Tooth or similarly faster cats than raptors usually are. Plus, as you said, the fact it gets there faster, meaning outside of raids it still does more damage than raptors, and arguably also in raids and dungeons in shorter fights. So this is not a misconception.

[@smolpener7430]

Since we're pointing out misconceptions here. Faster attacks doesn't equal more crits, it's a higher frequency of crits, so your frenzy won't proc more, just faster. It's the same difference as ping vs bandwidth, or the diameter of a pipe vs water pressure.

[@Jack-ni2qs]

crit is a percentage of attacks, higher frequency of attacks means you sooner reach your critical % rate (proportion with higher sample size). So it's more consistent rather than being more of a gamble. You are correct about their flurry proccing sooner because you will reach a critical attack, on average, sooner with a faster attack speed.

[@flossdaily9]

gorillas are the coolest to me

[@mrmikeyomann]

faster is more dps. they benifit more from sunder armor. broken tooth is the best all around pet in teh game. not just for pvp against casters

[@The111avatar]

How does faster mean benefiting more from sunder armor?

[@Zathien]

if running bm the 1.0 pet will have more damage due to having more consistency with the Frenzy talent. One downside of the high attack speed are mobs with thorn abilities, the turtles outside of theramore wreck any high attack speed pet. Owls and Cats are both better for dps (both having claw with only -3% dmg on owl) due to raptor not having dash.

[@MegaBercA]

I am playing WOTLK classic at the moment, I wanted to add that I am a BM spec and Broken Tooth has only 1.26 speed out of combat.

[@migueloliveira2130]

U said pet dmg depends on the family but u didnt specify which pet is rly the best in terms of dps, would a croc have the same dps as a raptor but attack slower?

[@StelznerGaming]

Cats vs raptors. Cats still win this battle since they have dash and get to the target faster = start doing damage sooner = more damage in a 10 second window that starts when you send the pet in.

[@monkey314159]

Blood-craze is worthless unless you're farming low level mobs I don't want to stop to eat

[@manga2564]

Cat have the most health from all dps pets, no one plays bm hunter in classic.

[@stevekirby23]

first

[@Kashizzler]

Raptors use Bite, Cats use Claw. Anyone who argues that Bite is better than Claw has never looked at logs before.

[@juyagar6614]

you can teach Cats Bite:-)

[@jamesallan9395]

@@juyagar6614 You can also teach Raptors Claw. Dash is the deciding factor, although I do recall there was a raptor in the game that has a higher run speed than other mobs, but was patched out later. It might still work on some vanilla servers, not sure. I'm pretty sure it was a rare spawn raptor in the Barrens, but I'm having to think way back here, I could be wrong.

[@blargblarg-jargon9607]

did you just explain to your audience, who probably plays wow as well, what a hunter pet is? holy... aight, i'm peacin out this video later lmao