HUNTER In CLASSIC WoW: Was It Any Good Though?

Part 3/9 looking at how Hunters were in Vanilla.
But ....Was It Any Good Though?
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[@rokko1020]

seeing a hunters pet with its default name makes me a sad hunter

[@darthportus]

"Fluffykins"

[@rokko1020]

@@darthportus ...and its still better than "Cat"

[@Flipindabird23]

@@rokko1020 at first I thought it was pretty punk rock to leave your pet unnamed, but now It's abuse imo

[@RickThatcher]

I called my wolf "Cat". Does that count?

[@rokko1020]

@@RickThatcher kind of?

[@conflickt3130]

Back in TBC I legitimately felt sad when my stable was full for the first time and I had to abandon one of my old pets I hadn't used in 40 levels. It felt so wrong!

[@evilsdemise1287]

Anyone else blasting thru this series the night before launch? . . . . . . . . . . . And still not sure what you want to play.

[@TheDragiix3]

I already see my life going down the drain bro

[@andreas543]

There is a lad.

[@The_Azure_]

Going through queue for the second time because after going from 20k down to 500 in line, I dc'd... So here I am.

[@TheDragiix3]

Well guys, I never got in and am just pissed at blizzard. I hope the person in charge gets fired ffs we told them not to repeat this bs and low and behold, they repeat it

[@mikali1704]

I wanted to play rogue backstab build (I tried WoW first time 3 months ago on a private server to see what's the game about)...but you can't backstab mobs in Classic, they "fixed" the mechanic of side running through mobs to backstab them :( And it feels so bad playing without it, so much dmg missing...now I am not sure what to play...so I watch these series xD

[@cattysplat]

There were so many terrible hunters in Vanilla WoW who were little more than arcane shot bots, but when you came across a good hunter that used all their skills, it was something glorious to behold, especially in PvP as they controlled the battlefield and turned rogues into scared mice. Like a turret of death and destruction, pet on the casters, frost trap on the melee fighters, viper sting on the healer, hunters mark on the rogue and flare on the ground, whilst unloading all their cooldowns at 40 yards out of range to every other class. A particular hunter in my guild had the super human ability to kite anything or anyone forever, the target would never get near him, and if it did with a warrior intercept/mage blink/rogue shadowstep, there would be an immediate scattershot-freezing trap/feign death to break off the fight and reset in their favour. Plus a hunter with jumper cables to save the day in dungeons and raids was always a huge sigh of relief in avoiding a big ress run.

[@WillEmmo]

Totally agree, a Hunter will good game knowledge can really mess people up

[@DoctorKlenk]

Shadowstep in vanilla?

[@SaartjeandRufus]

You make some nice stories in the comments sections of these video series. Keep them coming

[@minnowshark]

Yeah kiting isn’t a required skill anymore but it was needed to get the epic bow/staff Rhok’delar/Lok’delar. Once you learned kiting, it made killing elites way easier. Some of the classic quests were ridiculous in that when you got them you were not anywhere close to being the correct level to complete them so they stayed in your quest log for too long. I remember kiting an elite 5 levels above me through Stranglethorn Vale. It took running through half the zone, but I was able to complete the quest and get max XP for it instead of leveling first and having it turn green.

[@foxdavion6865]

That Hunter might of been me. :)

[@tompadfoot3065]

I still play the hunter I've had since Vanilla, my first ever character and the go-to character I used to start out every expansion. Also, a correction does need to be made: all weapons are hunter weapons. if they weren't, the game wouldn't let us equip them.

[@WillEmmo]

I can't argue with that!

[@bobsmith-lm3hs]

THAT MAKES ALOTTA SENSE THERE PAL. FELLOW HUNTER WITHOUT THE "TARD" AND oh i need that?

[@mr.hostility8970]

Same. Hunter since game release. Can't wait to go tame my favorite caster killing pet... Yes, all the weapons are hunter weapons...mwahahahaha!

[@hdckighfkvhvgmk]

hunters DO make good nightfall wielders, and can act as a support class with a gnomish battle chicken, trueshot aura, nightfall, and ferocious howl on a wolf pet.

[@thomaskoltiska4268]

Hell yeah

[@dewayneloper1206]

when I was a noob hunter, my first pet was an owl. his name was Rudey and he earned that name as when I started out, he got switched to aggressive at some point without me really paying attention and would fly off the handle attacking everything. while I was standing there like " Dude, why are you such a dick?"

[@crowmaster9652]

Sitting on the beach with your pet while sippin on mountain dew as the sun was setting was the best feeling in 2005.

[@gabler7992]

still shaking from adrenaline rush in stv...

[@_Piers_]

I'll never forget the hunter I came across in Zangarmarsh, at every opportunity he'd chosen gear that gave +spell damage or healing. Logically you can't fault what he thought he was doing, he wanted all his magical shots to do more damage and wanted to make sure his pet was okay. Luckily he wasn't an arrogant huntard and was eager to learn what he should be doing, I appealed in /g and we banded together to make and buy him some more appropriate items.

[@StandFirmStrikeHard3]

Having your ammo slot as second bag gave me anxiety

[@WillEmmo]

Oh no youre right. By law it must be far left

[@StandFirmStrikeHard3]

@@WillEmmo great video tho, keep up the good work 👍

[@jari2018]

fill ammo slot full then you 2nd bag the 3rd with pet-food and food for you + mana and potions and now you and 1-2 for items -you need a second bow or gun if its get red and a meleweapon

[@jari2018]

so you bags will alwys be full of food gear ammo and backpack for the loot

[@jari2018]

a tip -fruitseller in stormwind is really a pain in ass to find so find it out in before hand I still cant remember where or even if there is one ..dont remember

[@Immagonko]

What I like about classic hunter the most is the pet system It wasn't just like now when almost every pet is the same and there's no any pet progression

[@F14thunderhawk]

the old system merely became pokemon

[@foxmulder7436]

aged like milk Pet mechanics in classic are horrible hello. Wake up.

[@vintages10]

Thanks for the whole series man. It helped me to think about what I want in a toon and which ones I should try to get that. It seriously changed my mind on priest and mage and pally!

[@QarthCEO]

This is the kind of content that makes KZbin great.

[@WillEmmo]

Glad you liked, more to come!

[@Skiamakhos]

I used to love being a hunter in vanilla - I macroed up so many actions. I had one to switch on growl & switch off cower, another to do the opposite. When recalling my pet I'd have him cower automatically - usually when you pull him back it's because he's in trouble anyway. I loved how you had to take care of ammo & pet feed - sometimes I'd just go hunting animals to stock up on food for the pet, spend a pleasant hour or two just tootling around offing beasts. Happy days. I felt they'd robbed it of something by dumbing it down, taking ammo and feed out of the equation.

[@gumdokim]

May I ask you a question? In Classic if you choose beastmaster spec will you automatically get a pet or do we have to quest for it?

[@Skiamakhos]

@@gumdokim if it's exactly like vanilla you'll have a quest I think. It's been a while though.

[@sahajatantra]

@@gumdokim You have to tame your animals, no matter what talent skill tree you choose.

[@spartendeath]

Hunter: "THAT LOOKS LIKE A HUNTER ITEM, I NEED IT!" Group Leader: "Its a shield...................................." Hunter:"YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU MIGHT NEED!" Group Leader:"You can't use a shield...................................................." Hunter:"NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE YOU CAN'T!"

[@WillEmmo]

What video was that from lol it sounds very familiar

[@spartendeath]

@@WillEmmo wowcrendor class stereotypes

[@greenshards7422]

Lol 😂

[@ezra4517]

I'm turning 36 and was my first character in day 1 wow classic. This is true to the T. LMAO.

[@whydoyoucare5]

@@spartendeath RIP wowcrendor's channel, when wow machinamas died so did his channel :(

[@joeeveryman100]

Another good cat for horde players is the rare spawn “Rake” he is a male lion near Thunder Bluff he has really good attack speed 1.20 and you can get him at level 10

[@Riplee86]

3:41 Aspect of the Dazed! Always a classic trolling spell.

[@joels5150]

Riplee We called it Aspect of the Fail, but yeah, having to yell at a Huntard 3-4 times to turn it off in groups was grounds to boot them

[@Shafferhead]

My first char was a Dwarf Hunter back in 2006. The cinematic made that happen. Mained that one until late TBC. Obviously now with WoW Classic around the corner my character is ofc a hunter :)

[@adamleckius2253]

Wonderful nostalgia. As a kid I was part of the club that got so blown away by the trailer I just had to roll a dwarf hunter. Your guide is obviously great and extensive. But just to add, from a casual/exploration/class identification (but not RP ;) ) perspective: I loved playing a hunter. It was just such a great feeling going around the world questing, exploring and hunting (!), even after the big 60, together with your companion. Soloing elite quests were also not a problem. I didn't do much raiding, did that on a priest, but 5/10man dungeons was also very nice. I remember I had quite some use as a hunter, with off-tanking, cc to add to the dps. But then I also like to remember myself not being a huntard ;) Good luck and have fun to everyone choosing the wonderful Hunter class, also/especially if you want to play more casually!

[@WillEmmo]

I was a hunter too! Nelf for me though

[@XBOWTOTHEFACE]

@@WillEmmo shadow meld helped me out allot for world pvp situations as a hunter

[@TheGoldenAngel82]

Oh the memories

[@WillEmmo]

oh no lol, that kind of memory really stick though haha

[@M4dd]

You really should be much more recognized, this content is amazing and really well thought. You have amazing knowledge of classic and you surely put a lot of work making this guides. Thanks from all the wow community!

[@WillEmmo]

Means a lot thanks!

[@happymadison90]

Hey man. Great video. After watching I couldn't believe you only had 12 subs! You need to be seen by more people. Subbed. Cant wait for more content.

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks so much! Means a lot to hear that - going to do my best to keep content regular

[@MunchJinkies]

@@WillEmmo You only had 12 subs a month ago? Dude you're channel is exploding! Good on you, and keep the content coming for another new subee:)

[@WillEmmo]

@@MunchJinkies Yeah its pretty mad

[@Krill156]

It always broke my heart when i had to give up a pet that i had been leveling and traveling with for so long for a higher level/better pet. 😥

[@WillEmmo]

Should be able to level up your pet as you go with you! I still have my first pet that I never named on my hunter to this day. Just called "Cat" lol. I probably didn't realise you could name them

[@F14thunderhawk]

technically thats mechanically wrong in Pre-MoP WoW. you have to specifically go out and tame pets to learn individual ranks of abilities, and most pets dont have great skill investiture, when their skills are learned like talents.

[@brutalwang4106]

I think I want to play a hunter at some point! Their pvp abilities seem awesome. And I love the idea of having a pet/companion, whom I will care for dearly :)

[@Miratesus]

wiped in RFC during the stresstest due to the hunter pet pulling all mobs when we jumped down a ledge.

[@WillEmmo]

Now thats the real Vanilla experience!

[@Miratesus]

@@WillEmmo Indeed, Was very nostalgic ;)

[@tschriv]

PET'S DON'T JUMP!!! And famous last words.... "where's my pet going...."

[@JenNYC263]

Did that once in gnomer.... once..;)

[@sedlinasera3891]

there is a reason why aggressive pet mode was also referred to as 'angry mike tyson on crack' mode

[@veksar]

Great vid. Hunter main since vanilla here and I thoroughly agree that the gap between good and bad hunters in early Wow is a gaping chasm. I'm so looking forward to reliving my hunter experience.

[@WillEmmo]

For sure - glad you enjoyed!

[@zdl5665]

Just found your channel. I loved the video. That's it. Just wanted you to know the things you're doing are appreciated.

[@WillEmmo]

Cheers!

[@Hifcrea]

Lol saw the wow cinematic. Came my pants first then got the game and made a dwarf hunter. Always played hunter lol.

[@SaartjeandRufus]

Haha love it. I started as huntard too

[@Grubnar]

Same here. Made a Dwarven Hunter named Kári, who along with his trusty sidekick Avalance (a big old polarbear) had many adventures in Aseroth!

[@curiousfishie]

I thoroughly enjoyed this video, not only because I've mained this class for 5+ years but it was helpful to people who want to get into the game easily enough. Good job! I'll be awaiting more :)

[@WillEmmo]

Thank you! That's really what the series is all about.

[@curiousfishie]

@@WillEmmo Glad to hear it :) thanks for creating and sharing! ✌

[@-Nine9-]

For pvp, specifically dueling, aggressive is actually pretty useful against rogues.

[@niklass1641]

Exactly. People can't seem to understand the necessity for aggressive stance in PvP situations with rogues and druids. Iv'e heard reviewer after reviewer comment how "pointless" aggressive stance was (is) and apparently none of then ever played hunter in PvP...

[@AENock]

Hunter is fantastic and one of the most engaging and useful classes in PvP. I would consider Hunter a non-healing support with high burst damage potential. 1) Harassment potential is just as good if slightly better than rogue/kitty. You can essentially pick your own fights due to kiting, and being able to Mark and Flare rogues/kitties and track them in stealth gives you a one-up on them. You can even send your pet after them prior to stealth, and the pet will attack them, breaking stealth! 2) Your CC benefits your team regardless of your gear. Laying traps, conc shot, scatter/intim, and a passive mana burn will drive opponents nutty. 3) Track Humanoids allows you to see opponents in real time, allowing you to update your team on enemy position on both offense and defense. Also unlike Mind Vision and Far Sight, it is completely passive. 4) None of these require good gear to be effective! You benefit the team right out of the box. You will remain viable so long as you communicate and use your toolkit.

[@WillEmmo]

Excellent points! I should have mentioned maybe a bit more in pvp how good viper sting is, it drains so much mana from classes that cannot dispel

[@AENock]

@@WillEmmo Yeah absolutely. Dont get me wrong there is a fair bit of jank to the class (dead zone, resist feign death immediately comes to mind) but the Hunter toolkit and talent trees really allow you to deal with just about any conflict. Your video was great btw it was honest and unbiased, I just wanted to add a couple of cool techniques to help people understand what makes an average hunter into a useful team mate.

[@WillEmmo]

@@AENock Doing my best to include the good and the bad and not get rose tinted - Cheers!

[@dosran5786]

i always hated that pet trick on rogue

[@NeilRoy]

Funny thing is, when I first started playing WoW, even with that intro video, I didn't know that hunters even existed as an option until I ran into one questing in the human zones. I then made a Dorf huntard and had a blast with him. A good proffession to get for them is engineering as you can make guns and more importantly, you can make your own ammo! I used to carry the mats I needed to make ammo into the dungeons with me so I never ran out, and the extra utility came in handy. There's a repair bot recepe you could get (for any engineer) in... Blackrock Depths I think it was? I remember the room, forget the name. Engineering is one of the professions that was great for hunters and once you got that repair bot, great for a raid as well. And if you had other hunters in your raid with other professions, you could even provide ammo for them. For Classic, a good pet to get for nice AOE was the gorilla, from that small island down near booty bay was my preferred spot. They had an attack that slammed the ground damaging all enemies in a small radius and grabbing agro which was nice. Nothing like attacking ONE enemy and having his friends all come at you while your pet only takes on the one. For pet food, that was easy, I simply ate the same food as my pet. I also should mention that hunters could trade gun ammo for arrows, I forget where, so if you didn't use a gun, it could still be useful to be an engineer, make bullets, then trade them for arrows.

[@WillEmmo]

Great stuff! I think Gorillas had thunderstomp - I remember taming one in Un'Goro at somepoint. I believe the ammo trade was from a Dwarf in Ironforge somewhere

[@NeilRoy]

@@WillEmmo Yes! Thunderstomp was it. I used to prefer him for questing for the ability to grab agro on groups. Brokentooth was wonderful for PVP the few times I used it... not so wonderful for the casters I attacked. ;)

[@adammartin3943]

Subbed for the good vanilla content, keep it coming! Can't prep enough lol

[@joshkongraw1125]

Great video mate. Ive played a Hunter since late BC but never played Vanilla at all. Been getting worried id struggle with Vanilla hunter but this video help calm some anxiety i was having about it.

[@WillEmmo]

Glad it helped. Hunter is a safe choice for sure man - might be a bit rough up till where you get the pet at level 10 mind, but that shouldn't take long to achieve.

[@mynamewastakin]

I played my old hunter through the end of classic to the end of Cata. BC and classic are basically the same feel.

[@rudy1999]

Not really, in TBC hunter was like the best st dps in the game. I don't think it was like that in Vanilla lol.

[@JeremyGalloway]

“Huntards”... Came out the gate swinging on this one lol

[@parkerreid1284]

nice revisitng this during SoD, love the sound quality. you came a long way

[@alexsimon1798]

i was almost sure id roll rogue in classic, now im also inclined towards rolling hunter this time around after this vid

[@sumbody694]

I played a rogue the first time and this time through and i would of prefered to go mage or warlock but hunter was a close 3rd class.

[@deathblade909]

Haha I was opposite. Been hunter for ages. Decided to go rogue this time, almost went mage

[@rethguals]

One of my favourite things as a Hunter in vanilla was going to a low-levelled area where baby Horde were farming mobs for quests, taming a quest mob, then controlling it and pretending it was still a mob. They'd attack it, flag for PvP, and I'd one-shot them

[@WillEmmo]

Oh man I should of included that, thats hilarious

[@vesical7952]

Couldn't you see the level of the pet though?? If Im billy bad ass farming wolves in tarren mill. I'm not going to attack a wolf with a skull on it.

[@rethguals]

@@vesical7952 Hunter pets used to remain the same level when tamed and had a separate experience bar to the player. It wasn't until late BC when this was reformed (low-level pets would automatically become a few levels lower than the hunter, and level up faster), and the middle of Cata when Blizzard just said "Fuck it, let's just tie them to the player's level"

[@vesical7952]

@@rethguals I had no clue sense I never played hunter my first taste of wow was early TBC too.

[@alewis514]

I started playing WoW in cataclysm and i main Hunter to this day. In Cata we still had minimum range on ranged abilities AND some leftover melee attacks to use as well. MOP prepatch removing this penalty was by far the biggest playstyle change I experienced with this. Being able to just shoot stuff point blank in the face was a huge relief.

[@myrex]

Huntard said within 1min. 10/10

[@LazyBeastGaming]

Hunter is gonna be my main! Nice video mate 😉 I love hunters for the fact they always seem ready, checking into town stocking up on ammo, food for the pet, and the fact they use a ranged and melee weapon combo with skills for both really makes em shine for me even though meleeing generally isn’t advised. Going with engineering for mine to have a few extra tricks up my sleeve :)

[@WillEmmo]

Yes engi is always cool!

[@Laquatus]

LazyBeast Gaming meleevhad it’s place with a hunter, if you knew the enemy was gonna hit your dead zone and concussion shot was on cd them prime a raptor strike run in first auto attack hit for good damage then depending on spec wing clip/counter measure or scattershot so you can get back to range

[@davidsuda6110]

I had a Kraul boar with the armor plates on it. I would kill skelitions and feed it the fungus it dropped. I still have not gotten over how easy they were to feed. Having the stamina buff was nice because it was easy for me to solo elites.

[@stephanematis]

I liked that we had options in coloration, so even if you had an armored boar, it might be a different one from another Hunter. In those looooong Alterac Valley games, often the "Boar Hunters" would naturally congregate and have our beasties lock down charging warriors and their ilk. Looking forward to some of this again. And kiting in Upper Black Rock, pulling via Misdirect, etc...

[@ian-if4ug]

I had broken tooth back in the day. He could solo duels against well geared players. Loved that pet.

[@rudy1999]

Finally a class that can eat those stupid mages

[@TurboNemesis]

Humar the Pridelord, my first rare pet and the one I kept all the way through Lich King. Shoutout to the orc hunter that killed me while I was taming but got himself killed trying to nab it for himself. Gave me time to get to my corpse and steal it

[@DarkMegaPlague]

I remember the old days when it was hard to play a hunter when you had to create good ammo, have a good range weapon, have a decent melee weapon. The pets was a hard deal to when u had to feed it in order for it to do 125% dps. You also had mana so like the mage you had to know the hunters kills in both pvp/pve in order to do great dps/cc. THe best thing with old WoW was that hunter had one logical thing that disappeared in the end of WotlK…… quivers/ammopouch.

[@MW-ty5zw]

I just completed the leaf quest on my hunter, and I had a blast. Besides the one time I was feared into the bugs when the Silithus demon was at 5%, and the time I was griefed when he was at 10%.

[@Ninyth]

Best round up guide in a short time i found jet, but packed with a lot of details. Can‘t wait For the other classes.

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks! I had done most of them priest it out later today and lock next week

[@straunconway2570]

No one ever mentions turtles as pets for leveling, the turtle had the ability shell shield where it took 50% less damage for 12 sec with a min cool down, making them great tanking pets and allowing Hunter to level as full marksmenship

[@WillEmmo]

Interesting. I didnt consider it an option thought the shield has a fair cd on it. Also if you are mm you will take aggro for sure from your pet, and if you are mm you will be aimed shotting im guessing otherwise it wont outweigh the dps of a bm cat. At end of the day you are chillin at the back whilst your pet handles threat so anything is possible!

[@omarct]

@@WillEmmo The 3 pets you want late game are a cat, a wolf, and a serpent. But while leveling you can get a turtle or vulture/owl(vulture is better), which are very good for elite quests where you want a tankier pet. Your first good pet should be one of the moonsabers from darkshore, they have the highest attack speed(1.3 I think) at that level for alliance.

[@WillEmmo]

@@omarct Sounds good but you can only have one pet at once and have to go to stable to swap, so you need an "all purpose" pet really. Id stick with owls or cats

[@omarct]

@@WillEmmo There are stables everywhere, including next to your class trainer so swapping is no big deal. Owls only eat meat so they kinda suck, you want a pet that can eat fish for leveling unless you dont mind spending tons of money on food. Having a main pet cat is the norm, but you should also be thinking of getting other pets not just to learn skills, but also because they are useful in different situations. For example wind serpent has lightning breath which is ranged and can be spammed on certain fights where your pet is not able to go near the boss.

[@WillEmmo]

@@omarct Fair points, cheers!

[@Zarrow1]

Definitely going to start with a hunter. It's been my main ever since 2007 so really excited to finally try it out in Classic.

[@WillEmmo]

Solid choice imo!

[@veganwaffle]

I can’t believe it’s been 2 years since this video came out.

[@ems6706]

Hunter was the class I'd wished i played in Vanilla. I felt really immersed playing it this time and the leveling is dowright breezy compared to the Priest leveling i did back in vanilla. I see now why some people just ride or die with Hunters, just like playing Shaman on BC servers. It's been a definite highlight.

[@Spartacus626]

I'm actually excited for my quiver. 😆

[@hnriksnaer]

Really great video mate, can't wait to see the warlock one!

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks! Going to be playing a lock too so looking forwards to making that one!

[@alfavhunter7010]

tank pets were good in group content or when doing extreme soloing because they could tank and help you kite better through playing aggro tag having aggro on multiple mobs and being able to wing clip spam without the risk of being dazed or 1 shot as your pet was the target, exc. tank pets were better for doing fancier things depending on the situation. for example I used a gorilla to use as a group puller, then have 1 mob chase me, tank would pick up 1, and the rest would beat the gorilla down until the tank had the rage to take them. abusing kiting, target switching for manual growls, and ice trap / wing clip spam. a tank pet could basically be an off tank for dungeons, making a tanks job much easier. combined this with the hunter tools, multi trap tricks, exc. and you could make tank life a breeze as they would have the exact number of mobs on them they wanted.

[@cattysplat]

I was always thankful to a voidwalker or hunter pet willing to tank when the real tank disconnected or ragequit. Saved many a dungeon run from disaster, they are surprisingly capable as long as the healer remembers to heal them.

[@natemitchell7812]

Love how you described hunters nobody realizes the difference between a skilled hunter and a bad hunter is insane its not much difference but that line is clearly defined the skill floor on a hunter is high af but the cieling is as high or higher than any class I can think of truely a unique class that not everyone can truely master even tho everyone thinks they can~

[@thenerdbeast7375]

I'm a big fan of boars, not only are they tanky they have the best mobility of any pet with both dash and charge, not to mention being able to eat anything means they are very easy to feed. Bears are also a good pick, they are tanky and easy to feed like the boar but trade mobility for more damage being able to use two focus dumps like the cat.

[@HWHY]

And the Razormane Battleboars from RFK have perhaps the flashiest model of any pet in classic with their built-in armor.

[@vincentvega8321]

Amazing stuff, thanks a lot !!!

[@darknight602]

@WillE I wanted to say, your knowledge and overall entertainment is very good my man 👍🏻

[@lorenzouchoadriedgolf4733]

I actually had a boar for most of vanilla and loved it, specially for pvp, where people would get rooted from far away as I did mad marksmen crits, a tank pet can surprise you with its versatility

[@matthewburroughs9597]

Me too, Bear HP means they last forever in PVE

[@dosran5786]

i dont remember pets doing that in vanilla.

[@lorenzouchoadriedgolf4733]

@@dosran5786 boar charge roots enemies in vanilla

[@tatianashaurova5255]

Boars charge and stun for a second, which also interrupted spell casting and generated a nice chunk of aggro. They were excellent for leveling and situationally nice for pvp.

[@aquilophonix755]

This is probably the first hunter related video that corrects Lupos being a nerfed pet for classic wow. I'm genuinely surprised !

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks - thought id throw it in there in case people were interested!

[@aquilophonix755]

@@WillEmmo Speaking of which, but I also caught your latest Warlock video. Quick question here, but would you think an orc warlock with their stun resistance would be a viable minmax option for pvp? Something tells me their racials will be especuially important in vanilla as engineering grenades is emphasized to a point. But I could be wrong

[@mattsmovies5061]

Loved the video thanks man!

[@piggiepie9982]

#1 tip for hunter (okay maybe #2 after remember to bring ammo) is to get the swing timer and understand when you can move/place abilities and when you can't because it would clip your auto attack. Big big difference in hunters that understand this and ones that don't

[@WillEmmo]

Yep shots reset swing timer - good point I didnt cover addons

[@danielskrivan6921]

1:30 you are under the mistaken impression that hunters cannot use maces. Maces are an invaluable resource for a hunter. You see, they often fetch a decent amount of silver or gold at the vendor, which can be turned into arrows. Without revenue, a hunter becomes a melee hunter. Therefore, we must roll need on maces too, because ammo.

[@WillEmmo]

Thats the kind of hunter thinking I can get behind. All weapons to hunters!

[@Konpekikaminari]

just gonna drop this here, I absolutely loved that you had to do a small quest to learn how to tame pets (I'm a total sucker for training quests, makes it feel more _real_ in my eyes) and was kinda bummed when hunters started with a pet at lv 1 anyone else or was I just odd?

[@WillEmmo]

Same, I like the progression!

[@Grothas]

One additional note for the lategame hunter: As far as I remember, 1.12 was before the TBC 'nerf' to aimed shot - slower weapons are always better weapons, and you want to do the right kind of aimed shot rotation (weaving in auto attacks between aimed shots).

[@WillEmmo]

That's right good point

[@bidet1515]

hello , my third toon in vanilla ( after mage , warrior ) , and i create this one in classic , so much fun playing it !

[@bootesvoid5987]

subbed! love the content man and ive never even played

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks!

[@TheMillerMilitia]

Love that aggressive pet stance when your waiting around with 5 other people all trying to tag a quest mob the moment it spawns.

[@ecMonify]

along with an immolation trap and spamming arcane shot! ;)

[@rekrn12345]

Also if you know a rogue is nearby.

[@TheVacationist]

Or momentarily when fighting a swarmer

[@roddy116]

i really like hunter because it seems to be the most diverse, be all end all class to play. plus the macros are fun as well, as well as the synergy with engineering.

[@krondarr8865]

My first character a Night Elf Hunter. Started playing in 2005 and played all the way to Lich King. Ah fond memories.

[@alagass6466]

I remember being the only Dwarf Hunter in a guild with like 7 or 8 raiding hunters. I remember we killed Garr and took screenshots of each group of classes. I felt absurd next to all those Elves

[@dosran5786]

dwarf for life

[@Tetsu9701]

You were right to feel that way you stumpy weirdo.

[@rudy1999]

Anything that is not an elf is already a huge win. They are mostly played by homosexuals and women. Just like Eurovision song contest.

[@sommerblume9671]

@@rudy1999 3 years since you made this comment, how do you look upon it now? Do you still dislike homosexuals and women? Are you an asexual hermit?

[@rudy1999]

@@sommerblume9671 nope, i play elf women myself xD

[@TheMillerMilitia]

If you are the solo adventure type -- Hunter can make for some truly memorable moments.

[@alondor8157]

Exactly. His comment hunters being king levelers should explain that it's the solo experience. There are better group classes. You will struggle getting groups as a hunter. Especially since there's so many other Hunters as well.

[@Vic-qp1gk]

Awesome summary, I do remember getting very angry at "huntards" with pet growl and not dismissing them a lot back then. Yet when I rolled one in cata + I did the very same mistake at first lol

[@WillEmmo]

Me too! People will call you out but you just aren't going to know until you make the mistake

[@dosran5786]

yea but some hunters simply wouldnt shut it off

[@valecrassus7835]

Spot on with the "dime a dozen vs diamond in the rough" closing comment. I knew nothing about the game going into vanilla beyond the lore from the RTS games. My original intent was to roll hunter because I was always a ranger type character in D&D going back to the paper and pencil days, but humans couldn't be hunters at the time. Despite this stonewall, I made what I thought was the smart choice---warrior. Why? Well, warriors don't cast spells! All they do is swing weapons at the target, so...that's got to be super simple, right? Best way to start out in a new game, no doubt. Yeaaaaaaah. I mean, I made it to cap and that warrior was my main from vanilla through Cataclysm and what little I played beyond, but....when I went back about four months after capping the warrior and leveled a night elf hunter as my first alt I was...well, "rueful" is an understatement. To this day, I know that had I leveled the hunter first, the warrior wouldn't have made it past level 20.

[@culex69]

I'm rolling on everything!!!!

[@cracknoir8397]

thats why my hunter back in the day had engineering so i didnt have to buy over priced ammo

[@FabschOblivion669]

Well yeah. Engineering is a must for Hunters.

[@erwinmulder1338]

Feign Death and Goblin Jumper Cables FTW!

[@mdb45424]

a pity engineering is such a gold sink,

[@FabschOblivion669]

mdb45424 That’s why you take mining alongside it?

[@mdb45424]

@@FabschOblivion669 the metal wasnt so bad, its the dam elemental stuff, I remeber spending near 100 gold to get the missing componets to make my battle chick in vanila. thats when 100gold was alot

[@lucinaa1915]

awesome video!

[@ismlamaroof6438]

Humar the Pridelord had such good stats. That was one of the interesting things about Vanilla Wow, the stats weren't normalized so certain rares would be a lot better. And, iirc, only Horde hunters could get a white tiger pet from the Hinterlands that was part of a questline.

[@FabschOblivion669]

This series of videos just made my decision harder for classic. Maybe I’ll go hunter for my first character in Classic and then go with the warrior once I have more resources to send to the warrior to make leveling a bit easier.

[@lancejohnson3278]

This is kind of what I was thinking as well

[@zombieflop]

this is my plan, starting with hunter to get established then gonna do a prot warr

[@duramajin3118]

Loved classic hunter.

[@zwojack7285]

After learning that in AQ you only get two trinkets (to finally toss the Phase 1 and 2 blue trinkets away) I wouldnt necessarily say they scale badly, its more like while Rogues and warriors live in the year 3020, you still live in 2005 by the end of Phase 5.

[@botep5529]

Thank god for the imp and his phase shift ability. That Congo line of mobs is such a perfect description. Seeing a Congo line in gnomergan is burned into my brain

[@Bartoc1988]

You forgot to mention the boar while leveling and the potential for being the group tank in dungeons. With its charge and taunt it was a great tank with BM spec even for group play with trap support. :D

[@XBOWTOTHEFACE]

doing dungeons and having your tank leave in the middle of it was no problem with a boar BM spec.

[@ecMonify]

i used to do SM cath runs with my guild. we did it 4 man, with a hunter pet as tank :D the hunter was like lvl 43 though, but still (and he used a raptor not a boar :D) ^^

[@HWHY]

Razormane Battleboars also happen to have a uniquely exotic aesthetic in that they appear to be equipped with armor.

[@WadeAllen001]

The world of Warcraft cinematic made me want to play Druids, not hunters, and I’ve been playing a Druid ever since.

[@Shervin86]

Wade Allen yea that shapeshift scene was just too cool...

[@ThatGuyBill1985]

The same thing happened to me back in Vanilla. And I played a druid for the first year. It was literally the worst class in the game at that time. Not that I didn't have fun of course since back then I didn't know this lol.

[@Shervin86]

​@@ThatGuyBill1985 Yea it was a hard class to say the least, but outside of the stereotypical (I wanna be the best class) I found the druid to be super fun. In short, I find Druid was amazing for small groups, in fact probably the best support class for small groups. Soloing so much content, also being the only healer with full stealth capacity allowed for stealth running dungeons with 4 rogues to farm gear / gold, going on gank hunts with 4 rogues and causing havoc outside of BGs (except AV) made it super fun. And who doesn't enjoy getting stoned/drunk during raids and watching the encounters with minimal stress; or top off heal meters if you know how to druid heal :p Not a "strong" wtf class for sure, but I firmly believe even back then if you knew how to play the class you would be loved especially in well coordinated 5 man groups!

[@g.h7657]

@@ThatGuyBill1985 druid has a very specific playstyle. Very situational and utility based rather then raw power or a set role. Very good for world pvp and support.

[@thebuffapuss5631]

Loving hunter in classic wow very fun and interactive. Acually not just spamming frostbolt or shadow bolt. Actually have to try.

[@Zeknif1]

Rogue's Guide to Vanilla Hunters: Trueshot Aura: Free HK Spirit Bond: BM, approach with caution. No Buff: Possibly an SV Hunter (You are a free HK to them), a BM hunter that skipped SB (Has a decent chance of beating you) or a Marksman Hunter who understands that Trueshot Aura is just a target they pin to their own back. It's your gamble, take it on at your own risk.

[@conorf8091]

This is why I’m going hunter. Rogue killer!

[@WoWFtw8]

many doesnt know that thunderfury was a hunter weapon.. the proc it had reduced targets nature resistance which gave your serpent more dmg! #facts #givemeThunderfury

[@WillEmmo]

I cant argue with that, someone get this man his TF

[@F14thunderhawk]

tbf, it was a Hunter/Rogue weapon, basically as confirmed by Legion. it was just that it was a complete waste on classes that weretn Warriors. Paladins, conversely, had Ironfoe which scaled the one thing pally cares about when tanking: Raw speed

[@MrCaptnrex]

13:28 meanwhile on most servers now hunter tend to be in the bottom 3 played (at cap for active raiders anyway) lol

[@alec7568]

The threat problem would have been a big issue back in the day. Wow was my first mmorpg so I didn't know what threat was, let alone know that my pet could steal it off the tank.

[@allantotti]

Thumbs up plus subscribed. Nice video mate, looking forward to more!

[@WillEmmo]

Appreciate it!

[@guuppa]

@@WillEmmo on ll l ll

[@Wurzelkumpel]

04:03 Only 4% slower? The mount you get at 40 has an increased movement speed of 60%, not 40%.

[@WillEmmo]

Yeah got number wrong :(

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

The "Back Peddling to Death Starter Pack"

[@bluehoundlegitgaming7893]

John Brown its peddaling

[@BasedGodEmperorTrump]

@@bluehoundlegitgaming7893 Save some edge for the rest of us bro

[@madbruv]

so go sideways, its the same speed as forward. bodus points if you play holding right mouse button like an action game

[@g0tm04]

God, the feel when you got tranq shot.

[@calethal5822]

i always considered my self a good hunter in classic, then i joined a more hardcore raiding guild turns out i was good, i just wasnt great the difference in skill and output between me and the other 2 hunters in my guild was so vast, i learned what i could be BC came out and they wanted people to roll Paladins *horde) so off i went to level a new guy. im tempted to roll again in classic but also fancy a change, this is why im working my way through this series

[@WillEmmo]

It's always a shocker when you step up to the next level and realise just how far behind you are! It does make you improve quickly though. Hope the series helps you pick. GL!

[@calethal5822]

@@WillEmmo it's narrowed it down to 2, either resto shaman or warrior, your point about the warrior grind is making me lean closer to shaman, but either way your series has been amazing I've loved every video

[@akse]

/played 170 days with hunter in the release vanilla.. now wondering should I roll it again. I kinda got tired of the character already but yeah it was really enjoyable in the Classic hunter was easy to start but rather difficult to master all the small tricks in the end I remember having a good time in raids.. it is quite a laid back character in raids and very often survives without repair bills. Remember to macro a unequip script when you feing death if things look like a wipe. One strong point is aggro management. Feing death often in the beginning and you will eventually never pull agro and can deal max damage for the whole fight where many other classes will have to drop down damage dealing some times.

[@XBOWTOTHEFACE]

roll hunter for first class to get resources/money and what not. You have experience with the vanilla class so the learning curve is already gone, which leaves you to being able to reroll and still stay ahead of others.

[@grelgen]

he left out: 0. Agi does not affect damage on your shots. it only affects white damage. In all raids, you are mostly running around trying to stay out of the fire. PVP is literally all running. Stutter stepping so you can get your white damage out is foolish and just pisses off the healers. given that you can throw many more attacks per second as a "caster-on-the-run" you should basically roll in Shaman gear. This is specially easy to do in Alliance since they dont get shamans. 1. BIS rings are Band of the Unicorn, yes they are green and usually less than 5g in the AH. (Per Wowhead, this was added in patch 1.13, so it might not be available) 2. There is no Mail Armor Spec, you should never be hit by anything, all other BIS gear outside of your tier kit is Arcane Power > Spell Power > +Int > +RAP > +Wis (Which is all cloth armor usually) 3. Pet sustain is it's own thing, none of your stats affect their HP or attack power, but your Spell Power affects your Mend Pet. With enough Spell Power you can take agro from your pet just by healing it. 4. the dead zone is a thing for all skills except for Scatter Shot. You can use it to stun the guy regardless of where he is in your dead zone, run away from them and then conc shot them to death.

[@D3cadent1]

This must be a troll attempt

[@WillEmmo]

Hey, good info, didn't want to go SUPER in depth tbh and include some of the things you listed, wanted to cover the class as a whole

[@D3cadent1]

@@WillEmmo This is not good info at all.. wth lol

[@WillEmmo]

@@D3cadent1 hmm maybe not lol id have to research it personally but people have brought up bits ive missed before. Tbh most are opinions from 15 years ago and arent true lol

[@grelgen]

@@D3cadent1 it is good info. i raided in vanilla on a pvp server. AGI did not affect shots until patch 2.0

[@Ratgodx]

Love hearing “Willy here” in the deadpan voice

[@violetlight1548]

Another great pet choice is Death Flayer, a rare scorpid from Durotar. It has a 1.6 attack speed, faster than any other scorpid and almost as fast as a cat, and their Scorpid Sting ability is great for an extra DOT. He's much tankier than a cat too, and looks cool. I main an Orc Beastmaster Hunter, and he's my pet -- I haven't even thought of a second pet just yet.

[@DarkInos]

You missed whole point about teaching pets by taming other beasts to learn new spells etc.

[@TimeForMe0]

I love hunters so much because it was such an adventure what with having to go out and find different beasts to teach your current pet their abilities. It was the only thing that got me into professions, because i could do them as I explored for new pet abilities

[@Kavou]

Oh boy, rolling NE hunter back in the day was what most people did like me. I loved hunter so much.

[@WillEmmo]

I did the same!

[@Shervin86]

Generally speaking, wc3 players went nightelft while those who got in Warcraft through wow went dwarf.

[@tommartens1447]

This was the first class I've ever played and I really liked it! Btw, can you make a video with best/rarest hunter pets (F.E.: Echeyakee)?

[@WillEmmo]

Thanks, ill have a look and see which different pets I can cover

[@tommartens1447]

@@WillEmmo thanks! Preferably for both factions 😅

[@tompadfoot3065]

@@tommartens1447 like any good hunter I have a whole stable full of rare mobs, quest beasts, and you-can't-get-these-anymore pets lol

[@tommartens1447]

@@tompadfoot3065 so that are 2 pets in the stable and 1 with you? :p