Hunter vs Defender!...10MM Handgun Hunter & USA Ready Ammo Test.

[@grahamohea2424]

I have no problem with companies loading weaksauce 10mm loads as long as they mark them "FBI Load" and put them in a pink box with a bow on it. You know, so as not to engage in false advertising

[@Im3-16]

Thanks for lobbying for and holding high standards for 10mm performance Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Make 10mm Great Again!😎👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

@Robert That'll do it.😎👊

[@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack]

Sadly the .357 sig is suffering the same fate

[@neal1823]

​@@ToolsandTargets i feel your pain..

[@RL-RL]

Everything you said about these is spot on. 9 out of 10 tests are weak, and act like 40 S&W. It's a damn shame companies can't load these like they should be.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sad

[@jeffwilson1217]

They can get by with it because 95 percent of shooters do not own Chronos! Thank goodness for Tools keeping it real!

[@alantoon5708]

They are scared to death of product liability lawsuits.

[@tubevideoguy762]

​@@jeffwilson1217Just curious if you were doing a joke/exaggeration or do you feel that the percentage of shooters without chronos really is 95% dont own??

[@jeffwilson1217]

@@tubevideoguy762 just an uneducated guess, but probably should of said MOST shooters. I reload, and it's amazing, the difference in just a few tenths of a grain of powder can make!

[@keithrichardson4333]

Theres nothing wrong with expecting 10mm, or any ammo, to be up to spec. Absolutely appreciate your videos

[@900stx7]

At least with the Winchester, it preformed as printed on the box. This is marketed as a self defense round against human threats. The penetration and expansion was just right. The velocity was perfect for this projectile, any faster and you increase the chances of pass through. If you're hunting large animals, you need something else.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

I'm not a 10 mm person but still an honest test as always, thanks for all you do and keeping it honest

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@hoffpbass]

I have the USA Ready's in my 9mm EDC. You ran a test on those a while back and they performed well. I don't have a 10mm, but it is good to see consistency across calibers. Good test, Tools. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Bullet did great. They just cheated me on my 10mm energy.😆

[@paulfrevert3662]

It would be neat to see what a comparable 40 cal round would do out of the same gun

[@ToolsandTargets]

Got something along that line coming this week.😎👊

[@allenbolen9705]

Both performed well for a 40 S&W😂🤣. Loved the look of those handgun hunters! I would love to see those bullets loaded to your standard’s! I wonder if they have a 9mm version?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Maybe. They have em in quite a few calibers.

[@StevenL00]

They do in the 115gr +P flavor

[@allenbolen9705]

@@StevenL00 Thanks I watched some test of the 9 mm version.3 different people tested them failed to expand every time 😡 357 magnum and 40 cal they do great but not in 9 mm!

[@truthhurts7836]

I don't have a 10mm, but I still appreciate the reviews on any caliber ammo. Again, keep the videos coming 👍. I did remember this time to go through your Amazon link on my last nights Amazon purchase

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Performed nicely considering both were down on speed especially the 135. Don’t own a 10mm, but the original loading was a 200 grn at 1200. Not sure why most of the current loadings are slow. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@carlpreston1680]

It suffers the same fate as the 45-70 or the 45 Long Colt there may be handguns out there that can't handle full power loads

[@homersaypian3798]

Best overall performance I’ve seen from anything Hornady in a while. I don’t care for 10mm because I love .41 magnum and .357Sig, but if I did, I’d definitely roll my own.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@randyduncan795]

Rolling your own is always fun. I love 41Mag and both 357s. None of those ever showed signs of jealousy over my affection for 10.

[@homersaypian3798]

@@randyduncan795 I probably worded that wrong. Not that I have anything against 10mm, but I just don’t see the need to buy one when I’ve got the other two calibers. I load both, but carry factory loads in .357sig and I don’t carry .41 I might feel different if ammo manufacturers would step up on 10mm. I think it would be a good option if I lived in bear country for example, but that’s where .41mag comes into play.

[@constrictorguywilson2071]

Those 10mm rounds are perfect and 580 foot pounds pretty much smacks most other calibers for protection carry. 10mm is awesome!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Far from perfect for a 10mm.

[@SW-ii5gg]

That would be good if it was .40 S&W, but I would expect more from 10mm also.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep. especially a "hunter" load.

[@DerWaidmann_]

Sig VCrown and Underwood are the only ones making worthwhile 10mm apparently

[@ToolsandTargets]

Buffalo Bore and Underwood are the only serious 10mm I have tested. I hear Double Tap is good but never tried any. The VCrown is ok if you don't wanna spend money on the best. Buffalo Bore is top dog in my opinion, but you pay a fortune for it.

[@williammccaslin8527]

Grizzly use to make 180 gr hollow point that cooked at 1350 ft , but I guess they don't make 10mm anymore, loved them an they were priced right

[@richreyes1148]

Underwood 10mm 220g black cherry coated hard cast.

[@joeyphillips1181]

And double tap they make full power 10mm.. and federal HST they aren't quite (full power) but it competes with (full power) stuff I promise.. lol and Hornady 180 grain XTP's are pretty good in 10mm also I have noticed Sig V crowns have setback issues with certain guns where you can chamber a round 1 or 2 times and the bullet will be pushed back in the case.. I've seen it with 9mm and 45 v crowns with a canik in 9mm and 1911 in 45 ACP

[@carlpreston1680]

I'm sure there's probably reasons for ithe 10 mm underperforming , one some projectiles probably can't hold up to 10 mm speeds and two some pistols probably won't be able to hold up to that velocity either just like the 45 Long Colt or 45-70 those two have the potential to be chambered in weaker firearms

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

I'm actually pretty new to 10mm. I think part of the reason I didn't get into it is because I already knew most 10mm ammo was light loaded. Makes me wonder if any other calibers have similar issues. "I bought these .460 Smith & Wessons, and they're light loaded to .454 Casull specs!"

[@ToolsandTargets]

Seems too common.😣

[@jefferythibodeaux9676]

Underwood or Grizzly awesome check them out.

[@halfcirclehranch6877]

@@jefferythibodeaux9676 And Buffalo Bore. These are all more of premium types of ammo, however. You shouldn't have to go premium just to get what typical ammo really should be.

[@kevinramsey3490]

I understand why they're not loaded full power. The FBI said some of their agents couldn't handle full power loads. That killed full power loads. People want a load they can control and make follow up shots. That made boutique companies like Buffalo Bore our only source of real 10mm. Another great test as usual. You're an awesome addition to our gun community. Thanks for what you do.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I think a lot of these "agents" nowadays would struggle handling a Red Ryder.😆

[@rickh9396]

Really? Seems to me that's the whole point of .40 S&W. I understand Underwood also has some hot 10mm loads.

[@kevinramsey3490]

@Rick H I love the .40 S&W. I was carrying them when I retired. I'm also a 45acp fan. I just don't like wearing extra clothes than I usually wear in the summer.

[@Hickok]

@@ToolsandTargets You got that right!

[@moreme40]

⁠@@rickh9396, Underwood has hot loads in a lot of calibers. They would actually be +P in most other brands

[@williamwright8594]

I wish manufacturers would start giving velocities out of a 4" barrel rather than a 5" as most carry guns are closer to 4" than they are 5"

[@TheTGRproductions]

I'd have to agree on that, or at least 4.6" because the Glock 20 is (seemingly) the most common 10mm Pistol.

[@jeffreyrobertson7652]

Good jelly test Tools Really enjoy them Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@billdye3530]

Be good for defense against 2 legged critters. The Hunter may not do well against a bear or large hog - shield on shoulder is tough - so I think it's misnamed. Might do okay on deer or smaller critters hunted. For 10mm the fps should be at least 1,400. 357 rounds look good right now. Thanks for all your time. 👍 🙏 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate ya, brother. Hope you have a good weekend!

[@billdye3530]

​@@ToolsandTargetsA little too hot to be replacing brake pads on the van while plopped down on a pink Midway shooting mat on a gravel driveway. But got to be happy to make it one more day. You have a good weekend too. Appreciate you. 🙏 🇺🇸 👍

[@44special9]

The Hornady web shows that this 10mm is for varmints under 50 lbs. / target shooting / and personal defense , not big game .

[@billdye3530]

​@@44special9That's why it's misnamed to sell more. But should work well for 2 legged varmints over 50lbs.

[@44special9]

@@billdye3530 Yes it would definitely work good for that .

[@robertsewell536]

Once again classic content. You are entertaining and informative all in one. Great stuff.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you, brother!😎👊

[@jacobivy2854]

Hornady also had a very different approach to bullets and cartridges compared to someone like Buffalo Bore. Buffalo Bore sets out to make the most powerful cartridge they can in a given caliber. Hornady, on the other hand, sets out with a specific performance envelope they want for a line and then develop each cartridge to match said envelope. If you use their critical duty, it will have almost identical penetration depth and expansion percentages regardless of if you shoot 9mm, .40S&W, 10mm, .357 mag, et al. The same is true of their Critical Defense line. I wouldn’t be surprised if they purposefully designed that 10mm to provide the same performance that their .40S&W, 9mm, and .357 mag loads provide.

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's called marketing BS to make a buck.

[@DB2A7]

Good testing. Impressed with the 10 wound cavity...... But I'll keep my 45. Thanks!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.

[@stolnpckup]

I picked up some winchester big bore 10mm. 200 grain at 1175 at the muzzle. I just saw. It states out of a five inch barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah I figured that's about where those would be. Didn't grab any myself. Sadly, I guess you have to pay a fortune for good 10mm from just a few places.🤷‍♂️

[@stolnpckup]

​@Tools&Targets $37.00 for a round of twenty. Also, I picked up something for you at cabelas. But I dont know how to send it to you. I think you have been looking for this. But can't find it.

[@KD-lb9bg]

Rounds like these are why I only carry Buffalo Bore or Underwood when I’m out hiking with my family here in Alaska. Thanks for another fine round of Jelly Time testing, as always.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Love some Buffalo Bore 10mm.😎👊

[@rileyneufeld7001]

These copper expanding projectiles are becoming harder and harder to overlook! Great expansion every time and even against bone in actual shootings. Love me some lead HST's but copper expanding projectiles may be the better choice from a terminal performance perspective. The Winchester didn't do too bad either. I agree though these are fairly mild 40 s&w loadings! 10mm should start where 40 s&w leaves off yet it's not...

[@Dwayne7834]

Good test Tools. I don’t have a 10 mm. Both performed as far as expansion. . Thanks for the video and information.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@davidblanchard5252]

When I shoot my Glock 20/ 10mm I expect a 180 gr. Bullet to move at 1450 fps, not .40 cal. Volicity speeds. The same as shooting a .38 spl. And a .357 mag. Power is the difference in performance.

[@upperroomtoo]

I know you always get frustrated with the light weight copper bullets in every caliber because of poor velocity, but you have to remember they generate much higher pressures. Look at the length of the bearing surface on that 135gr and then realize it doesn't compress in the barrel as easy as lead. The Hornady handloading manual shows most handgun copper projectiles with powder loads 20-30% lighter than JHP bullets that are significantly heavier.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Which is why these are even more trash as a 10mm load. They know better and don't care.

[@alejandrovargas7592]

.... "Just step down to Forty Smith and Wesson", ... " YOU'LL HAVE A SMALLER TOOL" ... 👀🤔😶😲😅😂🤣

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤣🤣🤣

[@tendraftsdeep]

Tools! I'm officially a Range Gang member now. Keep on rockin!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that, brother! No slowing down.😎👊

[@user-ir6mg7bv2j]

I agree, great performance but not 10mm. thanks for what you do

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@spanky44mag]

Another great review. Good work. I own a few 10mm handguns: 1911s, G20, Ruger Blackhawk and the new M&P PC ported 5.6”. Looks like these rounds will get the job done, even if they are on the light side

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@ibpositivemostly7437]

Cool video thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@user-zw4ip8bl1z]

A terrific test, as always, from Tools !! I would have no hesitation about carrying either of these with summer weather being here, and the average two legged predator not wearing a heavy jacket and shirts. But I'm extra impressed with that Hornady copper projectile. I'm sure that it's going to be very painful for an attacker, when the surgeon tries to remove 2 or possibly 3 of those massive, gnarly edged things ! (Assuming that the guy that tried to murder you actually survives those giant holes.) Since it would have been terrific performance for a 40, it's going to be devastating whether considered a powerful 40, or slightly less powerful 10mm. Personal opinion, of course. I'd much rather carry a 40 or 10mm for defense than anything else. A very wide going deep! To me the ideal option compared to 9mm or even 45, as I'd be using a compact rather than full size. I might try alternating the Hornady with the Winchester Ready in my magazines.

[@alantoon5708]

Back in 1986 I shot one of the first Colt Delta Elites to come into town. And the only ammo was the Norma 200 grain FP. It was loaded to real 10mm velocities. Rattled my teeth when fired...

[@ToolsandTargets]

Gotta love it!

[@ratagris21]

Thanks for testing these two Rounds Tools! Sad to see the big hype about 10 mm is not up to par on velocity, but still performed beautifully. ♠️🎩🎱🇺🇸🏁🔱🌻🏵️💮🌸🌼🏴‍☠️🏹

[@ToolsandTargets]

At least these told ya on the box they weren't movin too quickly.🤷‍♂️

[@jefferythibodeaux9676]

Grizzly and Underwood are awesome

[@kellenphan7198]

Very strange that the loading named "Hunter" has lower energy and velocity than the other. I'm also unsure about significant expansion on a handgun cartridge if i'm gonna use it to defend/hunt in the wilderness; my personal feelings are that maximizing penetration is important for non two-legged predators (which is why i carry either FMJ +p or hard cast).

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, I've noticed a few of Hornady's product names definitely don't fit the performance.

[@kellenphan7198]

@@ToolsandTargets I do love their .22 WMR V-max though. 2100-ish fps on a 30 grain projectile is explosive on soft tissue. Unsure if it's viable out of a handgun length barrel however.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@kellenphan7198 My Ruger American .22wmr loves that stuff.😎👍

[@CookieMonster_1969]

I agree with you on this for sure. 👍 I'm not as picky about range ammo, but I want the defensive stuff at the spec 👍

[@mgriffin12]

I love watching 10mm vids. I agree, for as powerful as we know 10mm can be these weak loads are a waste. I'd definitely like to see penetration comparison between 100gr extreme defenders and 220gr hard cast. Took both with me to Tennessee recently but decided to load the hard cast in case yogi the bear decided to show up

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐻💥

[@WayStedYou]

I would take the extra weight every time

[@myglide58]

Seems like most manufacturers just don't want to take the time to develop a load that will actually take full advantage of the potential of 10mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Pandering to the weak wrists out there.

[@patsmith6942]

It's why so many use a .45 or 9mm over the 10mm doing what .40s&w does. It's like .357 mag vs. .38spl

[@evolution2k6]

Good work as usual! I agree on the actual vs box print whereas the underperformance is obvious. It just makes me appreciate 357 Sig even more!

[@chretired]

Interesting test Tools. While the gel performance was decent, I'm disappointed in the velocity for a 10mm. When you consider some will try to carry a 10mm for self-defense while hiking in the wilderness, I'm not sure they could protect you when it comes to 4 legged predators. They are just a glorified 40S&W. Need more speed, but then this has been the problem with the 10mm, under performance for what it was designed to be. Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I really do wonder why they would purposely load this "hunter" labeled 10mm so weak.🤷‍♂️

[@misterx8592]

I carry a .44Mag when I’m out in the wild…

[@NormanPOlt]

If your desired 10mm performance is directed towards defense from large carnivores many of the current offerings do fall short of the typical 41 (or 44?) Magnum levels. In this regard the specialty 10mm loads (Underwood, Buffalo Bore, etc.) OR possibly some hardcast handloads can fit the bill... But, for any 2 legged predators the performance of these two tested loads is hard to fault, IMHO. P.S. When compared to some quality 40 S&W ammo (that's often equally as effective?) they might even be termed as "overkill"?

[@furmanmackey5479]

Given a choice between ANY 9 Minimal and a decent pistol chambered in .40S&W launching a 135 to 165grn JHP I'll take the 40S&W every time. As for the 10mm I can't think of a good reason for the .357 Sig to even exist. But then I do tend to prefer my defensive handgun calibers to start with a "4" because they don't HAVE to expand much, if at all, to be effective on the receiving end. Folks tend to forget that JHP bullets are a relatively new, in terms of firearms and ammunition development history, thing. Large caliber lead projectiles won a lot of gunfights in their day, and still can here in 2023. Folks also forget that the third most popular, and effective, 19th century handgun and carbine round was the .38-40 which was actually a .40 caliber as are its decendents the .40S&W and the 10mm with the .40S&W being its very close ballistic twin. Excellent video as usual! I look for to them all!!!

[@Col-Hogan]

I’d like to see a 10mm comparison between what you consider a fantastic 10mm round and one of these. Just to see the difference.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Easy kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3emdnWEpZ2BkMU

[@racecitypatriot66]

Hey tools. I know you sticking with the heavy clothing. But if you got room in the gel anyway you can run one through just one layer? May not make much difference but we've all seen crazier stuff. Just a thought. Since it's summer and most people not gonna have 4 layers on. Thanks for everything you do brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@LuckyDog350X]

Not the best there ever was but perfectly acceptable. I have an old single stage press that I have not used since before the whole covid thing, I ran out of supplies and just was not able to find anything till more recently so I am seriously considering giving it a go again so I have some I can shoot that are loaded the way they should be. I do have a bit of Underwood stuff but I just don't like paying the price. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I know what you mean. The price is just too high to pay to have fun with.

[@Dennismadeacomment]

You should start a handload series. Start with 10mm or like 45acp something you try like a different projectile weight, different projectiles, different powder and powder grains. And see where you can get them me personally can't speak for everyone but I think that will be cool to see 🤷‍♂️

[@ToolsandTargets]

Unfortunately half of it would be edited out because of YT policies.

[@user-xp5vi6oy4g]

I was thinking about getting a Springfield XDM Elite 3.8. I'm not a hunter or hiker that might run into a bear. I might like this slightly lower powered Winchester Ready, if it made for faster follow up shots. If it punches a little wider hole than 40, that's a plus. I simply want a 10mm in a very compact size for self defense. I think this Ready ammunition would be a good option for the XDM. So for me, this would be a "Glass Half Full" deal, rather than a "Glass Half Empty".

[@Thomash613a]

I load my own...155 gr Hollow point, 5' barrel, 1550 FPS....with a neck shot, Deer slayer....factory ammo the past decade sux..

[@jackbauer9077]

100% agree great .40 cal round. Sad all 10mm rounds are weak unless Buffalo bore or underwood.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Very sad.😣

[@GunsmithSid]

Well, now we have a new name for your boutique ammo - Tarantula!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🕷💥

[@alfontana6242]

Thanks for the video. You might as well get a few boxes of Underwood .40 S&W for what those 10mm can do.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@tonycolca2241]

When you purchase 10mm ammo you really have to be particular it may be in reality 40s&w specs thank you so much for your tests fun and informative

[@g.brooks5866]

Could we see redos for some of the 10mm Underwood options now that you have the clothing layers...specifically the 135 gr Nosler and the 115 gr Xtreme Defender? Thanx as always for another great watch!!

[@d.hayward5232]

Picked up my first 10mm handgun about a month ago - came across your channel while looking for ammo tests, and have to say I'm impressed enough to subscribe. The trend of most ammo manufacturers offering neutered 10mm is very disappointing - seems like you need something like Buffalo Bore or Underwood if you want the "real deal". That being said, I thought the USA Ready got reasonably close, compared to most - I'd have liked to see about 70+fps more out if it, but it isn't as pitiful as most. Looking forward to more of your quest adventures to discover true 10mm!

[@ccoop2416]

546ft/lbs for the hornady and 589ft/lbs for the USA ready good power just not for a 10mm I'm with you on this one I want to see preferably over 700ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and with a projectile that can handle those speeds not just a 40cal projectile that just disintegrates when it hits something, because of you and others like you these discrepancies are getting around and ammo manufacturers cant fool people as easily as they used to so if they want to be the best they have to make the best consistently ,Thanks Tools you are a big reason ammo is getting better

[@MB-jg4tr]

There's a Recall on Taurus GX4, in case you didn't see it. Not all of them, but some serial numbers. Plenty of them have been drop firing apparently.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Saw that. Mine wasn't part of it thank goodness. I still have ptsd from the p322 return.😆

[@MB-jg4tr]

@@ToolsandTargets 👍 fk SIG

[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

I'd put my bet on defender

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🥇💥

[@3gunshooter60]

I like the "T" series

[@bryantitus6634]

In defense of the hornady monoflex, its a solid copper projectile, with a deep hollowpoint at that. Copper is MUCH less dense than lead. That prpjectile likely takes up MORE case capacity than the 180gr that underwood uses.

[@timparkhurst8661]

Just make your own ammo line already for 10mm !!! The first handgun I ever shot was a buddies Kimber Custom Target Stainless II and it was a dream to shoot in 10mm. He ordered a 9mm and somehow got shipped the 10 when he couldn't get a 92fs. If I get my own 10mm ever, it has high standards for me and I will probably just make handloads. There are a few companies who can make you a custom ammo line, Black Rambo is the most well known customer of that kind of product with his signature ammo.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@williammccaslin8527]

10mm is my flavor, always looking for good factory loads. Thx for the vid

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's a hard thing to find these days.😆

[@SolomonsOutdoorReviews]

The 135 grain all copper bullet is close to the same length as a 180 traditional lead bullet. So, technically occupies same space in the case.

[@johngrunwell2412]

Great video and I’m a .40S&W guy and size-platform weight I Totally Agree with your assumptions on these rounds, I don’t believe they’d take down any BEAR!

[@JR-yn4cu]

I have some of the Winchester USA Ready and Hornady Hunter in 9mm. I know the USA Ready is 124gr +p. I don’t remember what the Hunter is but I’ll have to look and see if you’ve done a vid on either of those.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I know I have on some 9mm but it was bare gel. Might need to revisit those.

[@tamadrummer001]

Sticking with sig v crowns and underwood’s extreme defender in 10mm at this point. Until you show something that performs like it’s supposed to. I also have some 230 grain doubletap for woods walking.

[@ToolsandTargets]

180 grain Buffalo Bore is the alpha 10mm round, but the price is OOF!

[@tamadrummer001]

@@ToolsandTargets yeah it’s wild how much it costs but they give what you pay for. All these others are skimping on us and giving us 40s&w for 10.

[@DFMM05]

I love your videos, can you try to do a USA READY in 40 SW test and another idea would be a serie to dona 10mm vs 40SW 👌🏻

[@brianwinters5434]

When the 10 mm first came out I purchased a smith 1006 and shot some of the first 10 mm loads. The loading was heavy a 200 grain bullet at 1300 fps. That was a heavy load approximating 41 mag. I was hooter of 44 mag and 41 mag and 45 colt heavy load, I could see why the fbi had problems with agents controlling it in a 1076 which had a 4 plus inch barre;.

[@ToolsandTargets]

And now we have this abomination of a 10mm round.😆

[@caleb6988]

Expansion was good but speed was not. Thank you brother tools for your honesty and the work you put in on making great freedom seed testing videos.

[@mybuickskill6979]

If I had the money, I'd get into making hp bullets more for opening threshold around 10mm velocity. If you run current hps at 10mm velocity you end up with over expansion, no energy dump, and it acts more like a damn fmj

[@BenderIsGreat99]

Numbers on the lab radar looks great. Love the new setups

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@user-xp5vi6oy4g]

I absolutely would have no qualms about either of these. We are talking of course about human predators, not bears or feral hogs. These actually seem like very good choices. I especially like that Handgun Hunter ! Definitely plan to try getting some. That expanded round is going to hurt really bad when a surgeon digs them out !

[@chrislang5659]

The Hunter looks like a flower that bloomed out just perfectly! Too bad about the penatration, but it had a nice energy dump! Today, I shot the Ammo Inc. 45 into water jugs and was surprised, point blank and only made it through two and into the third. Expansion was on point, but the penatration was lacking! I thought it would have made it through all four jugs and never to be found at point blank range!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely some good looking bullets.

[@Kaelland]

V50 for the Handgun Hunter ammo was 1084.2. Rounding down to 1084, that means that the 50-yard energy for it was 352 energy foot pounds. V50 for the USA Ready ammo was 1099.8. Technically, that should be rounded up to 1100, but even rounding it down to 1099, it has a 50-yard energy of 456 energy foot pounds. Given that Colonel Cooper's design goal was a 200-grain FMJ bullet having a striking velocity of 1,000 feet per second at 50 meters, and that would result in a 50-meter energy of 444 energy foot pounds, I'd say that the USA Ready qualifies as "real" 10mm ammo based on its 50-yard energy. Yes, more powerful 10mm ammo exists. But the USA Ready at least reaches the minimum threshold to be in the "real 10mm" category, in my opinion. The Handgun Hunter ammo, on the other hand, qualifies as a joke.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The Labradar is awesome for 10mm analysis.😎👊

[@slowpokebr549]

I can remember some real romper stomper 357 loads being the norm. They download every magnum eventually. They're targeting the flinching masses.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Sure looks that way.😆

[@noneyabiz8225]

Im kinda new to the 10mm camp (XDM 3.8 Elite) but i agree about the compared energy between calibers. 10mm should be around 600 pounds as a range ammo and 700 pounds(and up) for some of the hotter/edc loads. Otherwise one should just shoot/carry a .40 and or a 9mm with hot loads and greater capacity. I will not buy anything thats is not moving at least 1400 fps. I will use the weaker "junk rounds" for training mag swaps, misfires and jams only. These rounds are like if ya own a Ferrari and put Kelly tires on it. Thanks for you testing and great job !

[@ToolsandTargets]

Exactly!😎👊

[@rogerray2545]

Pretty impressive brother good job

[@petee454]

Can see the numbers really good when on the window you put on the video. Excellent video as always.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@charlesmaynorjr1593]

Would be intresting to know how these and other 10mm ammo would perform out of a G29 for those of us who CC the 29.

[@anthonyb2334]

Great video. I’ve got a 40 S&W but purchased a 10mm because I wanted “ Bigger and Better” like you said. So far Grizzly and the Double Tap 200 grain feel better , more bang, than the others I’ve tried. I don’t have the equipment or area to test, so I really appreciate your videos

[@Hammerback0]

Alright!! 10mm

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@joeyphillips1181]

Great test as always 👍 if you ever want to find some double tap to test in 10mm GunBroker usually has it 🤫 but yeah that's usually what I use in 10mm along with 200 grain HST and 180 grain XTP's from Hornady and I have some cheap S&B 10mm put back even though its basically glorified 40 lol i hear it still works alright though

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@hardball107]

I can't talk to 10mm but a FFL friend thru me 2 boxes of UAS Ready ammo to try, 270 Win and 6.5 Creedmoor. I hand load all my ammo so I saved them for foulers. I have shot a lot of factory ammo with ho-him results to just downright terrible accuracy. Was I surprised when the 270 shot to 3/4moa and the 6.5Cm showed op with a 1/2moa group both in Savage rifles. IMHO I can heartedly recommend the Winchester USA Ready ammo as opposed to the Winchester Super X which IMHO was the biggest waste of money I ever put down a rifle barrel. To bad lawyer's keep ammo company's from loading rounds to their full potential.

[@rjw261984]

Performed well for the speeds. I could imagine how well they would have done with proper speeds. 🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

That's why it aggravates me. I see what you can get from good loads.🤷‍♂️

[@RT-gv6us]

Your test did a GREAT job of showing the limitations of these particular loads. I have owned a Glock 20 for years and use it for woods defense when I am hunting or backpacking in Grizzly country out here in the West. I am a little under-whelmed at the penetration of both of these that were tested in this video. I am not sure how safe I would feel against an apex predator in the Rocky Mountains with either one of these that were tested today. Very impressed with the video but not too impressed with the performance of the projectiles. I will stick with my Underwood 200g hardcast, Underwood Xtreme Penetrator, and Underwood 180g XTP. Just my opinion. Great video by the way...

[@thebiglebowski8591]

I found a good deal on some Sig Sauer Elite Ball FMJ at my local store. Good range ammo with a real 10mm kick

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@DFMM05]

Seems to me that ammo makers have watered down ammo power in different calibers.. there used to be 1200-1300 124g 9mm and a little more than that in 10mm..

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@EddieS.97]

Thanks for testing these out! Handgun hunter in 10mm always looked like a gimicky round to me, probably meant to trick the newer 10mm owners, not entirely useless if you use them against thin skinned/small to medium game. But then why not make it competitively cheaper than the other options? In my area these go for $42, which puts these right next to the better federal premium options. Want better expansion? Go with the 200 grain HST hollow point for $45. Want a hunting specific round? Get the 200 grain Fusion soft point for $39. Hell even Hornady sells their superior 180grain & 155grain XTP rounds for $28. Why they don't take advantage of the extra tolerances of the 10mm is beyond me, but I'm willing to bet they just recycle their unsold 9mm Handgun Hunter rounds, empty the contents in 10mm shells just so they can cycle in 10mm firearms and call it a day.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@bigracer3867]

10 milli meta!!! Hells yea!🎉get some hard cast to try in 10mm. Hunting rounds. Non-hollow point.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@grantdonley4014]

The only real 10mm is Underwood. Buffalo Bore has bad consistency. Double Tap can load some decent 10mm

[@misterx8592]

Great job Brian. Best channel on KZbin. Entertaining and scientific work….nice!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate ya!😎👊

[@CharlesShooter]

Most of Hornady Ammo run below the advertize velocity even with lighter projectile

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍nice job on the test tools, always top notch videos.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@danielrodriguez5463]

I agree…looks like great 40 performances. 10 mm should provide well over 600ftlb of energy.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@mesauer]

Another great video! I agree, most folks would be just fine with a 40 rather than a 10mm. Properly loads the 10mm is a very formidable round, more than many need or can handle. An interesting experiment would be the T series that stumbles when shot through cloth. Take those T series and fill the cavity with either melted gel or just stuff a pea sized blob of solid gel into the cavity. If that fixes the T series for cloth issues, maybe Winchester would take a hint and correct their otherwise good T series. Gotta love the way you do these tests, a great deal of good info in the time it takes me to drink a Miller long neck.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Perfect timing!

[@Dennisthemenace40]

I totally agree with your opinion on the state of 10mm ammo. Are the manufacturers afraid that people won’t be able to handle it? Hodgdon used to warn users of their H110 powder “no wimps”. Just label it the same way, problem solved.

[@neal1823]

You can make use a list if you find any..lol keep up good work on the 10mm..

[@jacobivy2854]

I guarantee the speed has to do with penetration issues. MAC showed that in some of his 45 Super tests. If you sling those hollow points fast enough, they perform almost like a varmint round penetrating only 6-8 inches before they completely mushroom out and loose all energy. When you slow it down some, it actually has a much more controlled expansion and penetrates significantly deeper.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Exactly

[@ToolsandTargets]

Based on this comment and the other excuse you made, I'm guessing you have some family that works for Hornady?😆

[@jacobivy2854]

@@ToolsandTargets Nope…you can watch the test yourself where the .45 Super did significantly worse than the .45 ACP, and it wasn’t Hornady ammo. I’ve never met anyone from Hornady, and I’m far from a brand loyalist to them, although my .300 WM really likes their GX copper bullets and ELD-X bullets. I just think it’s stupid to say that a particular ammo isn’t performing to your standards when you purchase an ammo that is specifically designed, tested, and expected to perform within an envelope determined by the manufacturer. I only say that because I have watched a few hours of their podcasts where they have their ballisticians and engineers explain how/why they develop certain lines and how they expect them to work. I still run more federal and Speer than anything.

[@jacobivy2854]

@@TackJorrance You’re more than welcome to be your own ballistician and develop the next greatest round out there. They specifically taylor their bullets to perform with a specific range they set out: X penetration at Y velocity with Z expansion and weight retention. All of their bullets for that line fall into that frame work. It saves massive time in manufacturing and provides consistent performance across an entire product line. It’s one reason they’re so large and why Buffalo Bore is just a boutique manufacturer. BB makes amazing products, but it’s very hard to scale their methods and make profit.

[@ArtofHunter]

This is a reason I mainly stick with Underwood or Buffalo Bore.

[@joemokrzycki2006]

They both turned out pretty good