Hunters Just Got a BIG Nerf (Fully Tested) | Destiny 2 The Final Shape

[@cerebralassassin2185]

Now pvp wise this is 100% warranted because they were beyond broken with prismatic. Pve wise this sucks. They should've done separate balancing with this.

[@Gebus1998]

Agree 100%. They're way different games and need separate balancing.

[@wickedweavile4612]

Theyve shown they can change thing separately in PvE and PvP, so this is just lazy. And i dont even play Hunter often

[@Gebus1998]

@@wickedweavile4612 they just don't. It's a choice. A bad one. Bungie seems to be doing that a lot lately

[@lordgrub12345]

While they should've prolly done separately (if they can do that) it most likely won't matter

[@ELTRYHARD]

Who is even using these abilities in PvE? You’re really waiting on dregs to walk into your smoke bombs? Or betting on threadling damage to secure kills? Threadling damage is PvE is negligible and I don’t know anybody that uses swarm grenades. The only valid PvE complaint in the past has been YAS’ nerf, but complaints about these nerfs are really REACHING for something to be angry about.

[@blacktemplar707]

1200 for a single emote!?!?! Thats a whole fucking Season!!!!

[@incipidsigninsetup]

They have to milk the whales. The Sony overlords demand it.

[@acetriumphs7801]

With things becoming free now idsay it's fair and hey at least you don't need the emote to do better

[@teknyon]

@@incipidsigninsetupbungie been doing shit like this since way before Sony

[@ryzen5570]

@@incipidsigninsetuphate to break it to you but it’s Bungie themselves, not Sony

[@urazz7739]

@@incipidsigninsetup Yeah, but this is a big part of why people quit Destiny 2. The microtransactions are crazy expensive.

[@justbob242]

I will say this again. SEPARATE THE PVE AND PVP SANDBOXES! I'm tired of getting nerfed because of douchey behavior in the Crucible. I don't play in that cesspool so why should I have to pay the penalty?

[@ruperto805]

Hunters are the most used and potent in PvP. Yea I wish they would separate from pve all classes have suffered

[@battleax4609]

Yup

[@flamingscar5263]

It's not really something Bungie can do, technical breakdown time The game is offered as 1 executable using the same assets for both PvP and PvE, thr game is also mainly client side so you can't change much server side For Bungie to change say, threaded spector in just PvP they would need a sepreate threaded spector asset for PvP that gets loaded when entering PvP, it could use the same texture and model file, but it would need to be stored separately as "threaded_spector_PvP" this would inflate the games file size, and the game is already bigger the call of duty which is commonly ridiculed for massive file sizes A full sepreate PvP and PvE sandbox would lead to the game growing in size to an unsustainable level There are some things that can be sepreatee and already are, but most things can't be without fully separating PvP and PvE into essentially their own games under the Destiny 2 launcher

[@jhoagie1367]

Why even have PVP

[@albertbenejan9309]

@@flamingscar5263dawg are you stupid? They literally have done it before

[@wy100101]

I can't help but feel like the best solution was to switch which aspects were given to prismatic, but maybe that is a lot easier said than done? I would have loved to get swirling maelstrom on hunter instead of specter. Maelstrom is great in PvE and no one cares in PvP.

[@kite2036]

Specter is still great for a punchy hunter. Usually it doesn't explode from incoming damage, but proximity. Regardless, threading kills don't count as melees, so you don't go invis from them.

[@ShareCraftIdeas]

I miss my slicey spheres

[@deankelly5760]

Nerfing these abilities in PVE is a fucking joke

[@arcuz7862]

Always a good day when Hunterbois eat a nerf.

[@tonysbanned]

is the clone nerf in pve too? all i care about. love threadlings for pve

[@meeka2618]

@@arcuz7862 why

[@8g36gi]

​@@tonysbanned the nerfs are in everywhere as far as I'm concerned

[@MADOYS]

RIP Guardianbob Bluepants threadling specter spam PvE build :(

[@isaacfuqua7434]

They nerfed smoke because of prismatic. Void hunter is catching strays from these nerfs. They have to start separating prismatic and normal abilities. Prismatic should be worse than the normal abilities to incentivize playing the original subclass

[@isaacfuqua7434]

By nerfing the field time of smoke bomb on void they just took a MAJOR part of the kit of void while also not hurting prismatic hunter like at all. Prismatics main use of smoke bomb was a Wombo combo with swarm grenade or clone. You throw both at the same time directly at someone. That’s the annoying and frustrating part of prismatic is getting insta killed by that Wombo combo. They don’t use it for misdirection. Void hunter now just is completely gutted because they lost a major part of what the entire point of their subclass is, misdirection. Edit: This change also majorly hurts khepris sting. I doubt Bungie thought of khepris before making this change which means the amount you get from putting a smoke on the floor has now been decreased by 65% due to the 65% time decrease in the smokes length on the field. Typical bungo

[@rhyshuber9981]

I mean tbf nightstalkers busted in PvP as well. Smoke is the best melee ability in destiny 2 history bar none, no debate. Slows, blinds, weakens, fake pings radar. It does everything. Hunter dodge gives you near infinite uptime on it as well. This nerf was 2 birds one stone. Prismatic hunter ain’t the only hunter sub that needs some spanking

[@isaacfuqua7434]

@@rhyshuber9981dude if you think void hunter is a problem right now that’s on you 😂

[@rhyshuber9981]

@@isaacfuqua7434 the only thing they hit was how long its sticks. The cloud still lasts the same amount of time. Idk anybody’s who’s out here pre placing smokes in pve

[@rhyshuber9981]

@@isaacfuqua7434 it’s not anymore lol. Also 3.5seconds of fake pings isn’t bad. It just requires some skill and isnt just free kills anymore

[@Forcer69]

Eriana has had this nerf built into it for 5 years, and we’re just now learning about!?

[@KermitOfWar]

Buying & looking at cars is extensive & thankless work...-Bungo ZeeEo

[@BahamutBreaker]

I’m kind of pissed about this information, too. Eriana’s was one of the first exotic weapons to receive the intrinsic Anti-Barrier ammunition bonus… but it was also (secretly??) given a nerf to its damage specifically against Barrier Champion shields?? WHY? And perhaps more importantly, why wasn’t that secret debuff removed sometime between 2020 and today??

[@ZzzarieL]

Incompetency runs in bungie's blood

[@BahamutBreaker]

@@ZzzarieL Crappy, low-effort take.

[@Blanktester685]

@@BahamutBreaker effort is irrelevant all he said was the truth

[@BahamutBreaker]

Full transparency: I don’t play Hunter. I am not sure which is worse: 1) how stupidly overpowered Bungie shipped the Prismatic Hunter kit for PvP at Final Shape launch, or, 2) how egregiously severe these nerfs are today. Both seem bad.

[@Zevox144]

The only bad nerf is the lack of threadlings from shooting in pve, cooldowns are practically negligible and the smoke duration doesn't matter in pve. Kind of a loss in pvp but eh

[@TheMossKeeper]

Real shit

[@daycejohnson]

@@Zevox144 20 seconds added to a cooldown is absolutely not negligible when it is DODGE. Dodge fuels all ability loops so now this is just a flat nerf to base dodge and makes the aspect not worth using at all. The build I submitted to Aztecross and won with now straight up doesn’t even function anymore.

[@n0thingbutstatic]

void titan got their bastion shields health AND cooldown nerfed into the ground. The cooldown was already high for a near useless ability in PvE (barricade). Imagine your Dodge going from 1:00 to 1:45.

[@TUC12341]

Why can’t they just make separate sandboxes for pve and pvp, I know it would be annoying but both side would be so much happier if abilities in the crucible were tuned only for pvp and vice versa for pve. Would fix so many things that make pve annoying or awkward and just make pvp a whole different experience. You could even make it a lore thing since the crucible has been such a long tradition they have special areas or equipment just for guardians proving there might against each other to make it fit into the world

[@namelessarcher3261]

The problem is they DO have separate sandbox for pve and pvp. Cooldowns are different, damage is different, some mods straight up don't work in pvp. They just refuse to actually take the time to adjust abilities separately even though they can do it just fine for weapons.

[@nyoin2028]

Small indie company. Not enough man power when you're firing it.

[@eldiabeto2960]

@@nyoin2028 they ain’t even indie, they’re owned by Sony

[@Ezga7]

​@@eldiabeto2960you must be new here, it's a common joke here in the community, makes me laugh a bit ngl

[@nyoin2028]

@@Ezga7 🤣

[@alster06]

"Evading creates a spectre woven from strand matter. When Enemy COMBATANTS Destroy the Spectre it creates Two Threadlings" HOW the F**K is it that difficult That way its only nerfed in PvP They need to figure something out it cant keep continuing because 38 seconds to evade is a bjt ridiculous

[@leeroy2752]

This is literally what I would've done.

[@googleplaynow9608]

It should be 1 min between dodges if you have threaded specter.🤡

[@JDR71326]

Yeah but hunters have a thing where there class ability comes back like it's nothing faster than titans barricade and rift and point is they can put the clones out back to back

[@harveyhouk775]

@@JDR71326 the evade does next to nothing compared to a continuous healing rift or a barricade that literally stops bullets. It should have a shorter cooldown since it is obviously the weakest of the 3. The real issue is them taking that low cooldown then making things like threaded specter a thing. Bungie developing their own ways into their own corners that they created themselves. Great stuff.

[@SuperRavens99]

Well yeah it's a dodge that even when activated can still get punched through where as titans get healing barricades and warlocks get either dps or healing rift so kind of would be busted if warlocks and titans could get their class abilities to Regen every 25 seconds which is the hunter dodge cooldown if u build into it​@@JDR71326

[@thedeathmantle3817]

That nerf on hunter clones is stupid, it should be that if the clone isnt attacked and despawns then it doesnt spawn threadlings, this would make more sense, if you get fooled by a clone and shoot it then you get punished with threadlings.

[@Iron_Born_LLC]

Broo you’re sooo right, you should be on the bungie dev team!

[@twistedgale]

No

[@Shadowizzmoneygang]

Brother we destroy it to remove it off the radar Nobody is actually being fooled by it

[@erasusdnb]

It doesn't spawn threadlings on despawn

[@queuebe4068]

Do you not know why people would shoot them?

[@Amadeo-f6i]

Nerfing hunters before fixing widow silk when they broke its 2nd cooldown on death. Not like their bug reports team was even going to do anything if they still had their jobs

[@Tycholarfero]

Yea strand as a whole subclass is kinda dead in the water after this, I don't think either titans or warlocks had a full subclass get destroyed in an instant, usually just a super or an exotic? Ensnaring slam is useless, widows silk is only good for 1 thing and that's to buff mothkeepers wraps, and whirling maelstrom is now the only good aspect in the kit that has now been neutered because you can't send threadlings out to unravel red bars by destroying your clone. Idk why but it's like they don't want people to use the content from lightfall already or something

[@Zevox144]

@@Tycholarfero That's fucking hilarious. Especially if you're serious

[@kyleschaefer3331]

Literally just hit the 10 year anniversary, been owned by two mega corps, and still can't separate PvE and PvP sandboxes. Love when my kit gets nerfed cus the very limited player pool in PVP complains. Typical Bungie

[@Watermeloncatendorser]

Typical hunter cries there mate I never complained when my banner of war was stripped from me get good

[@kyleschaefer3331]

@@Watermeloncatendorser typical titan missing the point as hard as you do the shots you miss. Probably why youre still running banner. 🤷

[@Watermeloncatendorser]

@@kyleschaefer3331 sorry you can no longer rely on ability’s for free kills here’s a tip switch to titan 😏

[@Zevox144]

How the fuck do people still not realize the separation is for *NUMBER TWEAKS* not functionality differences. You want to open the gate to making two different and unsuccessful games.

[@localprime8868]

@@kyleschaefer3331womp womp

[@chris-qz3lv]

Glory days of threaded spectre have long since passed. Sixth Coyote and TS was my go to for Warlords Ruin solo flawless and possibly one of my all time favorite builds. RIP my transparent green friends.

[@Dologaming24]

@3:20 “dodge, duck, dip, dive and…dodge” 😂

[@HighTechRedneck9]

I remember when the Titans and Warlocks got hit hard by nerfs, it was always Hunters saying "Just get good". Now hunters get hit hard by nerfs, and they are whining about it. How's it feel to be on the other end?

[@tinystar3010]

I couldn't care less about nerfing specter and the grenade, but reducing the time on smoke bombs was unnecessary. Once the enemy sees where its at, it becomes useless as a ping diversion. And now, to make sure it lives long enough for them to see the ping, you gotta wait to throw it just before they arrive to where you want to place it which risks them seeing it fly near, or hear the beeps. Completely killed its utility. 3.5 seconds is nothing for a utility that's meant to sit long enough to be a diversion/trap. Absolutely kills most void hunter builds too. Reduce the slow effect. Fine. Reduce the blindness. Fine. But ffs, why reduce the duration? Bungie legitimately does not play the game in real world environments and no one can convince me otherwise. The sheer amount of idiotic nerfs across these 10 years is ridiculous. But it wouldn't be a Bungie game without them f'ing something up any time they touch it.

[@Tycholarfero]

Idk man, after testing void hunter builds are still okay, but strand as an entire hunter subclass is now dead dead, it has legit only 1 good aspect now and even that aspect is hampered by threaded spectre being ass

[@fridaysatjons1097]

@@Tycholarferomaelstrom and widow’s silk is a lot better than threaded specter on strand hunter.

[@icekyuu]

Throw the smoke bomb, attack from a different angle, return to the smoke bomb where the opponent has dismissed that ping as misleading. That's a way to use a smoke bomb which the uptime nerf has eliminated. Most commonly tho smokes are used to block off passages. E.g. throw at diamond door on Javelin, and that's 10 seconds of zoning. Now only 3.5 seconds, that makes a huge difference.

[@MarionDoesIt24]

Now im really not logging on for afew months 😢

[@hellaboveme500]

Just wanna say the auto captions for 0:00 are 🔥 😩😮‍💨

[@blacktemplar707]

LMAOOOOOO ty for pointing this out

[@justdarkjazz4020]

Straight up evil

[@iseefingers7171]

Good job guardian for spotting this detail

[@SnoopyOfTheGods]

Bro what!!

[@00Grimreaper00]

After repeating it a few times I can't unhear it

[@TJMODLA]

I love it when Cross says, "a sparrow you'll never use." 😂

[@McMuffins42]

Skimmers are the thing. I don't use sparrows anymore

[@ReeceRacc]

Sparrows are faster than Skimmers because they added a speed limit to Skimmers that Sparrows don't have (Boost spamming)

[@micahschatz8001]

Khepri's sting is cooked

[@dammitthatguy3107]

Shit I rarely seen anyone use it and now they've cooked it even more, classic bungie

[@ellieswagaye]

so is every snare bomb or specter related build

[@dusk2308]

as a titan who wanted more people to use khepris more often cause it has a cool bug on your arm i can see why all the 2 people who where still using khepris are mad

[@drakusmero104]

I've mained hunter since D1 launch. I welcome the change, but it wont fix the overall problem in balancing the classes. Hunters should be the most mobile/agile and masters of gunplay with passive boosts to weapon handling and such. Titans should be the most resilient and the tanks of the battlefield with unrelenting flinch resistance to keep the pressure on. Warlocks should have the most capable abilities and recovery to combat the brute force nature of Titans and fluidity of Hunters. Have the classes complement their differences rather than trying to put everyone in the same box. This entirety of this game would be better with distinctive advantages and disadvantages for each class to shine or fall

[@justsomeguy2142]

Masters of gunplay 😂😂😂 you mean masters of ability spam and being complete pusC’s

[@223ndog]

Totally agree. Very well said.

[@BahamutBreaker]

Pretty solid ideas and take. You should apply for a job at Bungie.

[@thedetectove]

Agreed. A fire, water, grass Pokémon scenario would be perfect for the class system.

[@drakusmero104]

@justsomeguy2142 in my perfect world, warlocks would get that title and no one else, for nades and melees anyway. Class abilities would get changed to allow for short cooldowns like Hunters get with dodges. Imo hunters should play like pusC's at least in the sense that Titans should be the only ones tanking through hails of bullets

[@Iron_Born_LLC]

It was sooo funny today having a hunter throw a smoke at me and im still coming at him. It was like he panicked and literally had no clue what to do and just stood there looking stupid while I shot him down.

[@terrellepps9548]

@2:50. Thanks Cross. As a hunter main, I take that as a compliment😂

[@blightnova6677]

So basical spector is more fuck in pve in a way. Cause ngl in higher activities they just get nuke and can't even spawn threadling without using balance of power.

[@LoreChaplain]

Hey we're at our lowest player count in franchise history and we need to get people back. What should we do? Let's nerf something and make it less fun, that'll do it.

[@tylerdobson7868]

Sorry to say it but its a good thing, PVP was unplayable for the other classes and now that this bs easy mode combo is broken we can actually play again.

[@trickshotgamingtrickshotgaming]

@@tylerdobson7868he’s just mad he won’t be able to get kills anymore

[@blakehorsfield3379]

​​@@trickshotgamingtrickshotgamingBungie will be mad when pve hunters quit to play something else 😂

[@purewhiteloverbizarrejelly]

It’s been almost 10 years since I’ve played Warframe, but I’ve always appreciated how abilities were balanced in pvp and pve separately. Maybe that’s not the case any more, idk

[@xdmoney11]

Void titan went through the same thing y'all. Welcome to the club

[@grouthorax3963]

Not a surprise people forget. They don't play Titan but LOVE to have an opinion about the class

[@minnesotasquad]

As a titan main, I refuse to let hunter mains forget this

[@acetriumphs7801]

As a warlock main I want abilities nerved for all classes in pvp

[@Tycholarfero]

Just remove abilities and supers in pvp for everyone I think that would fix everything

[@DFH02]

​@@Tycholarfero go play a different game at that point....

[@Blockyraps]

The nerfs vs hunter is not going to fix that ability spam is more meta than using a gun. And people that have a problem with hunter don’t realize that all of the things that promote gunplay from hunter in the first place, has been nerfed. People were mad at stompees for letting you jump too high lol. Bring back stompees and stop walking back PvP changes. We thought we fixed this Bungie. I thought we learned that transmat system is the best. But…Ima just keep using my one tap bombardiers.

[@eldiabeto2960]

Or just say you don’t know what a rogue class is, rogue class is a ability spamming class mainly with throwable items like melees, the hunter class is a trapper and a trapper goes under rogue in VIDEO GAMES

[@Whitebishop89]

​@eldiabeto2960 I'd say that sounds like your opinion. For me, I'd say hunters are supposed to be sly and cunning. Being smart with their movements and being tactical and precise with their equipment. Not just run in and start throwing shit.

[@darudy]

No, screw you hunter.

[@Iron_Born_LLC]

@@Whitebishop89right??😂 they don’t even know wtf they’re doing half the time they just press every single ability button they can every encounter and somehow get a kill from it and think they’re good..

[@Blockyraps]

@@Iron_Born_LLC Facts but guess what. All the good exotics that allow you to do that are gone, and radar control is actually good for promoting gunplay (Or I’m salty I still play almost exclusively void hunter and we still got hit.) I don’t want it to be a trend where because of prismatic, they start gutting the classes that use them. Because it’ll just be even more people on the train of “There’s literally no other reason than to use prismatic.”

[@Senorcookies486]

As a day one hunter that just came back to this game after 5 years…yeah, it didn’t take long for Bungie to remind me why I hate the game I love

[@Ryder42]

As a hunter that used all of that stuff, yes it was dumb and needed a nerf (mainly the swarm like why did they buff it lol) but my main issue with this is that there's nothing else in the subclass that works for pvp. T specter is still the only useful thing, and same with smoke and swarm, I would have loved to have incendiary nades instead of swarm, because that's more known to be a hunter thing then swarm (or tripmines) and I just wish there were more useful aspects then only the 2 that revolve around dodging in people's faces

[@yasininn76]

To be fair, nothing in the warlock or titan set was as annoying as the threaded/smoke bomb. Maybe freeze nades, but everyone has them

[@felipearvizu896]

Hunter's: happy 10th anniversary 🥲

[@felipearvizu896]

I guess hunters can't be hunters 🙄

[@TMKSYSBOOT]

Ah, yes. I love when my PVE gameplay suffers from PVP metas :)

[@TJW-YT]

What part is suffering? Genuine question. Threaded Spectre was a terrible pick in PvE before. Yes, it’s arguably worse now but it was stupid to run it before. It could do with help in PvE to be useful but if you were running that aspect then frankly you’ve got bigger issues than the nerf itself. Plus it actually got a change that benefits it in PvE. Smokes are essentially unchanged in PvE. The lingering duration nerf is only for the projectile before it explodes, not the duration of the smoke itself. The other change only impacts player movement speed when hit by a smoke. What one of these changes negatively impacted your PvE experience? Or are you just comparing to complain?

[@cyathea237]

who tf runs specter in pve

[@justsomeguy2142]

We also love people that complain about PvE changes and didnt use whats being nerfed, they just wanna be loud

[@WhiteWolf_993]

If your PVE gameplay somehow really does suffer by these nerfs, you still have a lot to learn abt the game

[@andrewfeigenbaum9144]

@@TJW-YTI used it in a threading spam strand build.

[@Suge765]

They messed up by putting training wheels on prismatic. They should have put all aspects/fragments/supers from old subclasses into prismatic. Would have made for more diversity with builds but bungie loves metas for some reason

[@Iltar]

Trials of Osiris should be called “ Hunter Prismatic Games” 😂

[@Brandon-butterb1]

well prismatic hunter is no longer viable, the only halfway decent grenade is now completely garbage, threaded specter (i didn't use it but i know other do) is garbage now, and the smoke bomb (again i don't use it) is neutered. time to go back to being discount spiderman that uses beyblades

[@kalebyoder2545]

😂😂 that’s my strand build

[@redblue4127]

They laid off the team who separated pve and pvp changes.

[@icarusrising2787]

Eriana's, my beloved

[@kalebyoder2545]

As a D1 hunter main, even to this day. Let everyone know this on record. Hunters are the most played class among titans and Warlocks. Yes Hunters have received tons of nerfs over the years because our class setup/abilities were too strong or our movement was too good. But some these nerfs REALLY hurt. I get it, it had to happen eventually. And yes I hear most comments saying “separate the sandboxes” I hear you. Bungie has done patches in the past where it only pertained to the PvP audience leaving PvE unaffected. So why can’t they just do it again? To answer a few of you here, Titans had bubble nerfed(which I know it didn’t do anything) and yes Bungie does an EXTREMELY poor job of trying to keep all the classes “balanced” but the whole point of individual classes is to have them stronger in certain aspects of gameplay or abilities and that is the point. Titan are the strong, stalwart, frontline tanks, with massive defense and offense capabilities. Warlocks are meant to adept in recovery and midline ability based fighting (arc soul, bleak watcher, threading, nova soul, void soul etc.) and Hunter are the fast paced, nimble agile fighters that weave in and out of combat, taking advantage of vantage points or enemy weaknesses. In game they were outlaws, turned into scouts, spies etc. So Hunters have to retain their manipulation and misdirection. It’s apart of their identity

[@st0nedpenguin]

"Hunters rely on smokes so much" Me still running strand.

[@calvinzubaly3712]

A fellow Hunter of culture I see (Ignore the fact that I became a meta user for comp/trials LOL)

[@st0nedpenguin]

@@calvinzubaly3712 I just can't give up suspending slam lol.

[@calvinzubaly3712]

@@st0nedpenguin totally fair, suspending slam is great. I love strand - it's my go to for any casual play and (hopefully) will be my main for all crucible again

[@AriFox83]

never used snare clone but bungie always taking the fun of things

[@danhalo1405]

The worst thing is that Strand Hunter solely got nerfed into the ground now because of prismatic no one is going to play Strand Hunter anymore for sure. Threaded Specter was what made Strand Hunter decent in pvp now it is left with a bad Super, mediocre at best melee and grenades and its completely nerfed into the ground Threaded Specter

[@Tycholarfero]

Strand is the kit with 1 good aspect only now

[@trickshotgamingtrickshotgaming]

Decent??? U mean over powered don’t forget yall got one shot knifes still crazy op

[@Smurf5738]

Unpopular opinion. Shoulder charge on titan should be a one-shot in pvp because shotgun use is really high right now

[@isaacgirouard5924]

No, this does not increase the value of Balance of Power, it just decreases the overall value of the Hunter class

[@krillffxiv5021]

Titans: "First time?"

[@Mehecam]

​@@krillffxiv5021real

[@whosurjustin]

cry more. hunters overwhelmingly took over the pvp sandbox with gimmick clones and smokes.

[@isaacgirouard5924]

@@whosurjustin Who cares about pvp?

[@whosurjustin]

@@isaacgirouard5924 apparently enough people so bungie keeps wasting money on it

[@pecador-torr]

3:30 i literally shookmy head at the same time as cross when he said "I feel for you guys" 🤣

[@Vinn0]

I LOVE COMPLAINING about stuff that doesent matter at all!

[@daycejohnson]

@@Vinn0 I love complaining about people being rightfully upset!!!

[@hypnopanda1929]

Love seeing Hunters get nerfed. Now if they just decrease how fast you can melee after using a shotgun, pvp might actually require skill.

[@Lrbearclaw]

As a Hunter, I think we did need a nerf but the smoke bomb nerf is too much. 10 seconds is a bit long but it should have been 5-7 seconds, not 3.5. Not when you have Warlock Stasis Super killing you through walls and around corners.

[@kalebyoder2545]

Lets not forget about the bleak watcher turrets

[@lDoxology]

Womp womp

[@AriFox83]

never used snare clone but big sad

[@radiantgummy9971]

Hunters: nerf. Nerf nerf. Nerf. Nerf. Nerf. Nerf. Titans: fixed and issue *doesn’t address knockout, Diamond lance, and shiver strike This is why the game is dead. Not dying, dead. Because bungie takes 3 months to do one patch that includes 5 changes. Yeah we are cooked 💀. Btw secant filaments is still bugged and doesn’t activate while facet of protection is on and still no sign of bungie even knowing this bug exists because why would they no one plays warlocks. Bungie probably doesn’t even know you can activate devour on empowering rifts nevertheless know about any bugs revolving around it. Been in the game since hour 1 of the final shape btw but why deal with game breaking bugs if it doesn’t affect hunters in any way. Incompetent devs that don’t even know how to make a balanced match nevertheless a balanced game

[@Scarlet0999]

U r a joke

[@ChromeDomeAlex]

What’s broken about lance, knockout, and shiver strike? They aren’t broken at all and actually require melee interaction. Just use shotgun

[@Fusion_matricks]

Making the clone tankier may help my variant of the liar build. Keeps it alive so I can group enemies, punch and gpg my way to victory.

[@floydnimrod1826]

Warlocks in the comments eating popcorn to Titans and Hunters going at it

[@grouthorax3963]

As usual

[@CCC.1271]

Warlocks are alwyas complaining too. between Warlock and titan im not sure witch class gets owned by hunter in pvp the most 😂

[@JDR71326]

​@CCC.1271 I main warlocks hunters are cracked obviously then titans and warlocks have 2 extremes super aggressive gamplay and then super passive gamplay like up close icarus dashes shotgun smg with t steps or osphidans ext.. then some guy who plays passively with a high impact with smg or sidearm at the back of the map along with arc souls or helion

[@sticksandstones704]

​@@JDR71326 I must be way off because I just play the objective with thorn and necro grips

[@Ace-Intervention]

Because Warlocks need severe nerfs

[@jhiatt1516]

I still remember when D1 warlocks had the ability spam.

[@asystematec]

3:25 Certified Cross Moment 👏

[@johnalbone30192]

In most light, double dodge class item is gonna skyrocket to the top of the most used exotics.

[@trich742]

Everyone complains about hunts in pvp, but whenever guardian games comes around, titans always dominate the PVP Class mode. Titans have way more rush abilities and abilities for holding ground.

[@tomlinsona0704]

As a hunter main, I enjoy killing dumb crayon eating titans. As a hunter main in D1....there was no counter so I made a Titan 😅 until we got shadestep.

[@thisone98]

next guardian games, prepare yourself for the AbsolutelyNotScripted Warlock win.

[@Scarlet0999]

Disagree

[@trich742]

@Scarlet0999 not sure what your disagreeing about since this is fact. I mean the 1st year they did class vs class GGs they had to adjust the mode and make a mixed class version because of how strong titans are in pvp.

[@derpy_j]

While I get that nerfs need to happen , its the fact they're not separated from pvp to pve; that's the main issue. I haven't stepped foot into PVP since it was 4 v 4, I don't see why my pve builds have to suffer because of something going on over in pvp. Bungie have showed with weapon nerfs that they can make it not effect both playmodes, so this just screams lazy.

[@deejayy8303]

Thank the PC players, we never had all these issues/problems until they integrated crossplay.

[@jasonkirk9094]

Give hunters a healing rift or a barrier. Like others have said: separate pvp and pve. Stop killing the hunter in pve content. It’s ridiculous that hunters get nerfed all the time. Everyone cried when hunters were the fastest class in movement then we got nailed to the ground.

[@thatoneguy1553]

Nah u guys have worm husk

[@Ace-Intervention]

@@thatoneguy1553 trash exotic in pve

[@spencerwilliams2977]

No, your a hunter. Stop trying to be Warlock or Titan. It’s honestly funny how much yall complain when something little gets nerfed.

[@lDoxology]

No, you're a hunter. Stop crying and actually get good at the game.

[@llrecluse]

Smoke should have stayed the same on Void. Would give a reason to not play Prismatic.

[@kupo6905]

So Khepri's Sting got indirectly nerfed then, snare bomb is basically non existant Balance of Power just neglects the nerf

[@daycejohnson]

@@kupo6905 no it doesn’t threaded specter still had its cooldown more than doubled in PvE.

[@criscat1750]

Hunters really do be getting the titan experience.

[@dusk2308]

yea and the best part is when they say don't nerf just bring everything up. where i just can't wait for them to bring back the OHK for all shoulder charges...mmm oh no you don't want to bring that back but you want all the hunter stuff to be reverted oh yea that makes sense

[@daycejohnson]

@@criscat1750 hunters have been getting this experience wayyyyyyyyyyy before titans. They design Hunter for PvP and get SHOCKED every time when nobody absolutely nobody likes it. PvE players want PvE abilities so they’re unhappy and PvP players are sick of hunters so they’re unhappy. When are they gonna learn?

[@Emperor005]

It was a poor decision on how they went about the smoke nerf imo; smokes can still turn you into a senior citizen by removing your hearing, sight and movement instantaneously. The problem wasn't really the radar manip as much.

[@ellieswagaye]

@@Emperor005 it’s a weaken nade, that not getting changed

[@wi1dcard]

I'm a Hunter, and even I hated threaded spectre spam.

[@WoozyD20]

Yes they did

[@JUNIsLuke]

As a non prismatic/strand hunter I’m not complaining for pvp should be kept how it was for pve tho … Also 1200 for a fucking emote is INSANE WTF

[@ChaperoneKnight]

5$ says people will still complain about Prismatic Hunter

[@thatonepenguinperson618]

Well yeah, but it's going to be complaints from both sides now lol

[@BladetheFox141]

I'll take that bet.

[@CCC.1271]

The warlocks and titans will always complain. It’s their coping mechanism to always getting dominated by hunters in the crucible.

[@Hellfire-v1p]

@@CCC.1271I mean prism hunters pre-nerf were literally broken.

[@CCC.1271]

@@Hellfire-v1p lol. Everything is “broken” in a hunters hands. Litterally. Every time we get something new all you guys do is cope and complain because you can’t deal with it. D1 , stasis , strand, prismatic ,Stompies, or ANY hunter exotic armor ever. ect. Hunters have always dominated and always will. It dosent matter how much you nerf us

[@jameskeyse1839]

Just got back after years away from destiny because i was bored of just playing hunter to compete in pvp, came back and nothings changed almost everyone is still a hunter >

[@SamuraiLJacks0n]

Prismatic hunter was working as designed pre nerf. From the moment they introduced the class in a trailer we watched a Bungie Dev throw his smoke and grenade dodge to place a clone and throw another smoke after….but now it needs nerfs?!

[@filthycasual690]

Yes it does, it was very oppressive to play against

[@Huskerfanman-g9e]

Yes...

[@infectedbait5693]

Working as intended and working above expectations are two different things bud

[@ethelz2cents]

Prismatic Hunter in PVP was launched as an open cheat. Of course it needed to be nerfed. What you missed is Bungie's marketing plan. Sell a shit ton of software to the vast majority of the player base ( Hunters) with obviously broken abilities... then reel it back for "balance" after a few.

[@oerandavis8750]

​@@ethelz2centsspoken like a true titan or warlock main it wasn't a cheat players just stink at dodging abilities then cry about it wherever your logic is coming from Must be a deep dark hole

[@adarkwind4712]

Y'know ive been away from destiny for like a month and a half. I was actually thinking about checkong in today. Thanks for reminding me why i dont bother.

[@Ravenx217]

just when i was thinking about returning, nvm lol

[@CarriesOnTop]

if u were of these meta slave hunters then this makes me very happy cry about it

[@daycejohnson]

@@CarriesOnTop go fuck yourself. 99% of the playerbase only touches 99% of the game (PvE) if you want balance go play something else. All this does is hurt the experience for people who actually want to have fun in PvE.

[@Ravenx217]

@@CarriesOnTop nah, pve player.

[@CarriesOnTop]

@Ravenx217 then ur dumb cause non of this has any affect in pve pretty much like the fuck u crying about man? The decoys even gat buffed for pve in an aspect

[@Chaos3621]

I get prismatic hunter ability spaming is annoying and needed to be ajusted but now other hunter subclassed that had access to these perks were also nerfed, meanwhile peacekeepers SMG titans, ward of dawn and well were never touched for the entire lightfall period, theres also diamond lance spam and solar warlocks still have the best mobility in the game the best melee and lots of ways to recover health while in combat. Kinda feel like bungie is biased against hunters at this point.

[@Outsanity]

This is why PvP needs to go. It fucks up eveything in PvE. Also, no sane person uses Threaded Spector/Balance of Power in PvE. That's a special kind of stupid.

[@Tycholarfero]

???? Threaded spectre was 1 of the 2 only good aspects for the strand subclass in pve? Every one I saw used it and it is now a functionally useless subclass, the whole utility of the spectre and the threadlings it made was the whole point of the aspect synergy with whirling maelstrom, which is now non existent. If you never used it, don't act like you know what you're talking about

[@daycejohnson]

@@Tycholarfero he’s talking about the exotic because the exotic is trash.

[@sc5the]

just saying, yes i’m a hunter main, but just saying, for all classes; if your game is ‘dying’ you shouldn’t be nerfing (taking away the fun) from anything. hope this helps ❤

[@JuzoSenpai]

So you’re telling me the only thing hunters can be good at is the ability to look better than every other class. First you nerf still hunt with celestial even though it makes hunters have to use celestial for the damage. Then you nerf celestial again. Meanwhile warlocks spam abilities in any content with the highest super in the game and titans get a buff to their super for whatever reason. It’s just crazy.

[@kite2036]

They do this, then leave the titans who are doing master lost sectors in 30 seconds alone.

[@SrtSlider376]

Right🤦🏽💯💯

[@AlegendArises]

So because hunters get nerfed, everyone needs to get nerfed? Celestial still hunt is still one of the best dps builds in the game. But This nerf was unnecessary for pve and I hope they fix it.

[@Bigsmoke-zg2ko]

The people that complained about pris hunter will just find something else to complain. And nothing about abilities is broken. If you can’t avoid abilities you’re ass at the game man

[@acetriumphs7801]

​@Bigsmoke-zg2ko drop the bungie id buddy ik ur prob a 1.0 with that take

[@lekside]

Whenever you say "a sparrow that you'll never use", I feel it deep within my soul 😂

[@lithsgamecorner7108]

Even as someone who historically complains about my radar being full of false pings everywhere i go in crucible and seeing spaghetti clones every 10 seconds, even as someone who is a proud warlock main with a vendetta against most every hunter i meet, even *I* realize these changes are way too harsh. I join the other thousands of remaining voices and hands being thrown into the air saying "*Why are we not just seperating pve and pvp sandboxes.*"

[@CitrisJones]

Let's be honest, in pve, snare bombs are only used to instantly make yourself or teammates invisible, or to give enemy combatants a temporary migraine. It doesn't need to last for 10 seconds or ping radar

[@markloertscher1022]

All those abilities have been in the game for ten years and now they’re a problem? Crying works I guess.

[@NovaSkiesx]

It's because of Prismatic. Being able to use spam all in one subclass IS a problem. When it's used within it's respective subclass, it's not as powerful. But casual players wouldn't understand that.

[@JUIIICED.]

All the super strong abilities are annoying, yeah. But you couldn’t use smoke, swarm, spectre, and slow on one class before prismatic.

[@helix7398]

Yeah, not because they decided to fking buff them before the Final shape

[@jon33709]

@@NovaSkiesxthen what’s the point of prismatic in the first place? Might as well scrap the whole idea out entirely for the sake of “balance”.

[@Blanktester685]

threaded spector was in d1?

[@rickiereeve1211]

Hunter has gotten hit with too many nerfs in a short span of time. During this span of time I’ve been struggling to find the will to play Destiny and it leaves me feeling like I don’t have anything to come back to. Hunter was working as intended. I’m not pleased.

[@ctemz27]

How bout Bungie nerf their nerf team?

[@Slitheringpeanut]

Ouch, that hurts. Now, I guess Hunters know how us Crayon Eaters feel.

[@wolfgang5359]

There was no reason for those Hunter nerfs because of one reason. These nerfs apply to PvE as well. There is no reason for it as that ruins Threaded Specter, swarm never needed the longer cooldown because it has low damage, and smoke could have been used for CC as enemies were basically blinded while in the smoke. Now all 3 have become useless. As if this game wasn't becoming worse with nerfs like these already. Started with Season of the Deep and just kept going down hill.

[@wethepeople8280]

Those were all literally the worst abilities to choose from. Void hunters are the only one affected in reality because no other melee option

[@Szn217]

Could have kept it separate honestly solo witness significantly more difficult. But PVP was a nightmare.

[@wolfgang5359]

So then it is okay for Bungie to make them even worse? I see no logic in that considering they could have been good if Bungie just learned to actually separate their buffs and nerfs between PvE and PvP.

[@KormitTheFrag]

@@wethepeople8280 you say that as if prismatic hunter has any grenade choice besides swarm. threaded specter is now also useless so you're locked to 4 aspects.

[@kyreek2101]

It is 1000% but that bad guy…relax. What pve build are you using for swarm grenades? Any decent build will refund ample grenade energy regardless. Smokes are usually thrown directly onto enemies and your dodge still fully refunds it. Only time smokes are used otherwise is to go invis hardly ever to ping and draw enemies away and maybe all of 30 people consistently use threaded specter in gms /dungeons/raids. Take a deep breath

[@mythicalrust9001]

Haven't played this game since Witch Queen, and i ain't coming back playing this game felt like a job to me but i have no regrets made a lot of good memories i can look back to when i think about this game.

[@yurimaldonado4966]

Isnt the whole point of a clone mechanic to punish a player stupid enough to attack it as if it was the real enemy? 😂 Like if they just made it so that the owner of the clone cant shoot it to get free threadling i would understand

[@IOSARBX]

Aztecross, this is sick

[@bobisconsumed520]

anyone when I say these nerfs r bad: “BUT MUH PVP HUNTERS REEEE!!!!” I understand Hunters r busted in PvP but Hunters r already weakest in PvE with worst survival and now they just got further nerfed in PVE despite being the weakest. Bungie shouldve waited until they could separate PvP and PvE sandbox balancing.

[@victormagana3529]

Chill. Hunters are not the weakest in PVE. You don’t get 2 threading’s when your specter is destroyed. Oooooo so much damage lost.

[@TargetSniper365]

@@victormagana3529warlock claps hunters hard now in pve since still hunt got gutted

[@trainershade1937]

I wouldn't say that Hunter is the weakest in PvE. Overall I'd say every class is roughly on par with each other viability-wise. Frankly, the only subclass on Hunter that I would say is "bad", is Gunslinger.

[@edascrill4685]

Hunter is not even close to Titan and is miles behind worlock, you obviously dont play each class. @trainershade1937

[@simplyfitness892]

@@edascrill4685hunter is better than Titan I play all three. Including end game.

[@ElektroShaw]

I feel like the linger duration for smoke bomb is a hidden buff, as i find it is given away because of a static position over a long period of time where players will move about - thought with this change id like to see the smoke bomb noise and deploy animation be reduced to play more to the "stealth" aspect of hunter

[@daycejohnson]

PvP affecting PvE is gonna be the death of this game. I’m considering quitting altogether because this KILLS any ability loop with threaded specter in it. 38 seconds with 100 mobility is ridiculous

[@jackbucton2831]

Wahhh wahhh wahhh

[@nightstalker0493]

@@jackbucton2831 I mean he's right, pvp nerfs affecting pve is kinda stupid but its bungie code that cant separate them.

[@adamowens5377]

It's really not bad that's still faster than both warlock and titan class abilities. It's a good balance for the effect your dodge gives you plus threaded spector.

[@flopre9213]

and it has less health too so it takes less aggro

[@ShadowNemesis575]

​@@adamowens5377 the class abilities shoud have different cooldowns based on how effective they are. Without aspects hunter dodge gives you nothing survivability wise in pve whereas warlocks get portable health and titans get portable cover. It makes sense that the dodge comes back faster and with less investment. Honestly with all the nerfs the same logic applies in pvp and I find spammy hunters just as annoying as the next guy

[@supersizesenpai]

I've been playing this game since the beginning and never new there was a text to chat feature. lmaooo

[@Meme_dad1]

I don’t understand why have 3 different classes and you constantly keep nerfing just hunters. At this point get rid of all 3 classes and let us just be regular guardians. Take notes from remnant, let us create our character, and just have 10-20 different subclasses to mix and match with. Cut the shit bungie!!

[@aranax418]

@@Meme_dad1 nerfing just hunter he says...

[@BMacanik]

I see you have very selective reading skills... Only nerfing hunters 🤣. Trolling surely.

[@Meme_dad1]

There is no class identity in this game at all. It’s all shit thrown at the wall hoping that it sticks.

[@lDoxology]

Brain dead hunter spewing lies in the comments. Cope

[@joepowell4958]

as a hunter main who barely touches pvp, I actually appreciate the hunter nerfs and understand them. There wasn't really a way to punish the thread clone, and now there is

[@abelee8917]

PSA: next update, threaded spectre is no longer an aspect but will become a strand super, smokes are now emotes, swarms are now on a 93 minute cooldown. gga.

[@BahamutBreaker]

“Oh, look at me!! I can take an ounce of predictable prepubescent community resentment and translate that into an unnecessarily hyperbolic statement to farm ‘likes’ on KZbin! I am so cool!”

[@shooterssymphony9207]

Guys make a different build 👍🏼 i have like 20 class items, there's definitely something in there that's good and not to mention the next artifact could make other class items better than the meta ones now🙌🏼

[@pitterr5]

bro pvp is played by like 5% of player base why do they aim nerfs for pvp so it affects pve so much

[@stukk101]

I just don't understand why they have to nerf everything into the ground when they do have to adjust stuff. Just bring it down a little each patch till it feels right or bring back up if it doesn't. And I can't say anything cause I'm no expert or anything. But having a weapon or whatever the case might be, you like it get update it becomes really good everybody uses it, people bit

[@MM-he2iq]

Man, they did the Threaded Specter so dirty. Needed a nerf, but not that bad

[@bannedmann4469]

Always with the overkill.

[@Tycholarfero]

Ruined the whole subclass for pve man, stinks

[@kisukeurahara189]

It’s that bad? Was the go to. Especially since it helps get the solar bomb. Haven’t tried it since the nerf. Gonna see what fckry they have done.

[@MrPastysmasha]

Rip all the crutchers who have now gone back to playing strikes.

[@RuiNDieM1988]

The "get fucked hunters," patch and i am here for it 😁

[@daycejohnson]

@@RuiNDieM1988 why should PvE players who’ve done no wrong suffer? Seriously this patch has straight up killed threaded specter in PvE when it already needed buffs.

[@rytre]

People complaining about nerfs: There are some notable leaks of bungie looking into getting rid of the subclass system in the new year of destiny. The nerfs to "the void subclass" like smoke nerfs will be irrelevant pretty soon here since they are all going to part of prismatic, and there won't be any separate subclasses. Just relax guys.

[@Ui_Raizen]

I hear Erianas buff I automatically don’t care about whatever nerf hunters got

[@yareyarebankai6841]

Ah the Titan main update 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️