Hunting Rifle Accuracy: THE TRUTH

[@PaulEshleman-o2o]

When I was a kid and first started hunting with my Dad he had a Remington 721 .270 with a Weaver 4X scope. My dad would check the zero by putting a medium size fruit can (maybe 4X4inches) on a fencepost at 200 yards. If he hit it was good. he never had a problem bringing home a deer or elk. Always used factory ammo, whatever was on sale and he would get a couple boxes at a time. This was and still is a 2-3 MOA 100 yard setup at best. I saw him shoot deer at 250-300 yards a few times. Of course this was before rangefinders. I like my rifles to shoot 1MOA consistently. When I check my zero i shoot twice, I only care where my first shot goes and a follow up if needed.

[@murraysanderford1963]

This guy should have a million subscribers. Common sense explanation of why you don’t need to spend $thousands on a hunting rig. A hunter who practices with a sub $1,000 setup will outshoot a hunter with a $5,000 rig who doesn’t practice, all…day…long.

[@redhawk449]

Good topic and video. In 1981 I bought a Ruger M77 in 30-06. I've reloaded ammo for it from day one and have always shot ~ 2" groups at 100 yards. I never bought another hunting rifle and it's never let me down in the field. One shot kills for 41 years because that is the shot I take or I don't shoot.

[@wwb7091]

I have a 1976 ("Liberty") M77 in .30-06. Also a handloader, I've found 56 grains of Reloder 17 with a 165 grain boattail gives me 2 shots (first with a cold barrel followed immediately by the second) within an inch at 100 yards. Unless allowed to cool after that, a third shot is about 3" off.

[@JimBeck-z1d]

A 400 yard shot (on an animal) is a very long shot !🇨🇦

[@locacarnivore900]

It is indeed. Oh, Canada, eh.

[@340wbymag]

I live in western Oregon, and hunt in the coastal mountains for deer, elk, bears, and cougars. Shots are often long and either uphill or downhill, and of course, we have to deal with changes in elevation as well as our ever-changing weather conditions. You often find yourself looking at shots that can really test your skills. I guess that's why I like it so much here. My friends and I have enjoyed long range shooting (targets) in the local mountains for many years and often shoot at small targets at distances out to 1,200 yards with our hunting rifles. My experience has proven to me that MOST hunting rifles are capable of far better accuracy than most people believe is possible.

[@lurebenson7722]

I am now 64 years old and born in Portland in a very outdoor hunt & fish family that we hunted all of the NW Coast range for Roosevelt Elk and Black tail deer, so I know about the rough coast range. You better go buy yourself a range finder because talking nonsense about shoot some 1000 to 1200 yards you can't even see a 4'x4' target that far and even with the Leupold scope 6.5x20 I am using 2 of them on my rifles with a range finder any 4'x4' say cardboard target looks like a dust speck. What you are doing is trying to sound cool with this lying fad now of so-called shooting 1000 yards. There now even liars who make claim to be shooting Alaskan brown bears at 1000 yards with 10 mm handguns using some total crap Buffalow lead 220 grain bullets! Yesterday I was on the norther ridge line overlooking Cook Creek and also using the range finder I like to use allot. Across the canyon to the North of me the top ridge is 1000 yards to the measurement of the Leupold 1400-yard range finder and even a look at a bolder on the ridges looks like a speck! I never make statements I can't back up .

[@340wbymag]

@@lurebenson7722 I don't hunt at long range. (By the way, I am 73 years old.) I am sorry you had that impression. However, we do use rangefinders, and I do shoot as far as about 1,250 yards. We have been doing it for years. I do agree with you about shooting game at long distances. I think it is dumb and very disrespectful to the animals we hunt. I would note that I did say in my post that we shoot TARGETS at long range, but apparently you were too hot-headed to read that part. I also have long range target scopes on my rifles (Leupold scopes). To shoot 1,100 yards the other day with my .340 Weatherby, that required 29.5 moa vertical adjustment. Shooting far is fun, and it is great practice. It isn't some magic trick. It's science. You should give it a try. You'll be amazed at what you can do with your hunting rifles. Oh, one more thing.... Thanks for posting!

[@340wbymag]

Long range scopes, rangefinders, spotting scopes, and even astronomical binoculars (20x80mm) are always handy when the guns come out, so picking out small targets on distant hillsides isn't hard. Hitting those targets is hard. That's what makes it so much fun.

[@lurebenson7722]

@@340wbymag Post a photo or video of you in the N. Oregon coast shooting 1250 yards and as I suspect you are a teenager liar ! You are a KZbin Parrot mouth talker is what I see because I have seen the very same kind of responses to me when I have called out the other liars. It nearly is exact wording like you lying PUNKS all got together for a liar's training class and even lying about your age they all do it . PUNKS like you have a bad home life so coming to these comments to make up total nonsense and have ignorant fool believe you make you feel good!

[@lurebenson7722]

@@340wbymag You at not more than 13 years old and a KZbin PUNK ASS liar Parrot mouth talker how many years have you been making up this kind of BS ? The problem with you is the horrendous lying you are doing is it fallows a common pattern of all the other teenager liar Parrot mouth talkers

[@Westerner_]

Accuracy has been obsessed over to a detriment in my opinion. Everyone wants what is basically a lightened military sniper rifle these days which doesn’t lend itself to most hunting situations other than heavily supported positions. Shooting 1/2” groups on a bench can give you a false sense of capability. In my opinion someone is better off with a rifle that shoots 1-2” they've shot extensively with field positions than a tac driver that’s never left the bench. Of course, there is no penalty for having both a 1/2” rifle and the skills to translate that in the field. I don’t understand people’s mindset when they talk about long range hunting, the idea that every shot opportunity is going to start at 4-500 yards is a bit puzzling. I’ve been hunting the west my whole life and never had a need to shoot beyond 400 yards at an animal.

[@gregwhit4032]

Western Hunter. For 99 % of people. Their rifle can shoot better than they can. I don’t care if your rifle can shoot a 6 inch group at 600 yards. If you personally with that rifle have never shot it at 600 yards. I’ve seen to many people tell me getting ready for hunting how great there rifle shots at 100 yards. When I asked the what about the 200 and 300. They get shifty. (Side note with in 15 minutes of my house we have a 400 yard and 1000 yard gun range. ). But they will take 300 400 yard shots.

[@AlBartanvi]

Very realistic description of most hunting scenarios! Helpful for those who know the reality of what it means to hunt in the real world, in the ' non bench and non arm chair ( so to speak) situations. The gentleman is right; 2 inch MOA at 100 is more than enough to hunt humanely up to 300 yards, but i agree 100% that it is unethical to take a shot beyond that , regardless of whether your rifle is 1/2 MOA ( allegedly ) or 2 MOA from a bench and in ideal shooting conditions, with you partner or mate holding the camera for you!!

[@treasurestatetarantulas406]

I’m content to hunt with a rifle that I can shoot 1.25-1.5 moa. I hunt with a 300 prc that shoots .75-1moa with eldx and eldm but I choose to hunt with Outfitter even tho it shoot 1.25 moa because of bullet construction. I plan to keep all my shots 400-450 yds or closer if I can.

[@laughingdog6010]

I have a savage rifle in 22-250 and it has put three shots in about an inch with factory loaded ammunition.

[@lmbear]

You were right when you said, "there's no such thing as too much accuracy, I've never heard anybody complain that their rifle is too accurate"... Truth. Now, how is accuracy defined? 1 shot, 2 shots, 3 shots, 5 shots, 10 shots 20 shots? A lot of guys will shoot a 3 shot group, thinking that is the true "accuracy" of that rifle. Or they will cherry pick a group, and say their rifle shoots 1/2" or 1/2 moa. They are only fooling themselves, which is a fallacy. These are the same guys that, later, when they miss the shot, they blame it on everything except for their shooting skill. Your question is "how much accuracy do you really need, in a hunting rifle?" Answer: As much as you can possibly get. There's no such thing as a rifle that is too accurate! Also, never assume your rifle will maintain the same moa accuracy at distance, that it does at 100 yards. That is a huge misconception. The only way you are going to know how the rifle and load does at 4, 5, 6 or 700 yards, etc. is by shooting it at those distances. Don't just assume it's going to hold the same MOA accuracy at distance, because sometimes it does not. It's not all linear, or set in stone. That is the true "reality"..

[@dbmail545]

There is a price for accuracy beyond the cost of the rifle and ammunition. .22lr "match" chambers are notorious for extraction issues. A tight and accurate chamber usually won't give satisfactory performance for more than a few shots without cleaning. A gun built for use on the range is rarely suitable for the field.

[@BigTimberLodge]

Thanks for posting this. There might be some pushback on what you are pushing in this video, but I agree with you. There has only been one time in Colorado where I took a shot on big game further than 200-yards. Granted I am not hunting pronghorn, but I would agree, most shots on game are 200-yards and in. 2 MOA is plenty good for 99% of big game hunting application.

[@mtnhunter5578]

I couldn't agree more 👍

[@lars277]

Mansplaining at its finest. This dude is an expert.

[@BigTimberLodge]

I am a firearms content creator, veteran, hunter, shooting competitor, and have been shooting for nearly 4 decades. From what I find, the majority of people that buy a hunting rifle will never take a shot on an animal with it. Instead, they shoot it from the bench the majority of time at 100-yards, and that is it. Why then don't they buy a bench gun instead? Influence from friends and family, hunting rifles are normally more budget friendly, they are still hoping to go hunting one day with the firearm? All of these are reasons I have heard. However, because of this, firearm manufactures are realizing that they need tighter and tighter group sizes advertised with their hunting rifles to move products. When I look back 2 decades there were far fewer gun manufactures claiming to sell sub-MOA hunting rifles than there are today. Heck, there are companies now selling hunting rifles claiming sub-1/2 MOA groups. I find this to be a double-edged sword from marketing and production, because on one hand, who doesn't want a rifle that can shoot 1 jagged hole on paper at 100-yards, but on the other hand the ability to do this requires a skilled shooter and the right ammo. These claims can lead consumers to be upset with a purchase because they can't get a group smaller than 2" with a rifle that claims sub-1/2 MOA. When in reality it is most likely due to poor ammo choice and the shooter. My recent purchase for an elk hunting rifle is a Seekins Havak PH2 in 300 PRC, and surprisingly it does shoot sub-1/2 MOA groups with the right ammo and me taking my time on the bench at 100-yards, but in reality this year when I went elk hunting, I didn't see 1 elk all 7 days I was out in the mountains of Colorado. I would have gladly given up my sub-1/2 MOA Seekins for a 2 MOA budget rifle and a shot at an elk at 200-yards.

[@Stickbow1980]

Huh ? 90% of the people I know who buy a hunting rifle actually take it hunting and have no problems taking game animals. Just look at harvest records of game animals across the the board each season ! It's pretty clear what's going on... Millions of folks are out buying hunting rifles and are using them to hunt every season !!!!

[@BigTimberLodge]

@matthunter1667 Only 5% of the US population hunts, but there are more guns in the country than people.

[@allenhughes12]

Folks do like bench rifle accuracy in a hunting rifle and that's fine but you won't get a chance to cut the same hole in an animal once the first round hits. We don't get a lot of 100 yard shots here in the East Tennessee mountains but if I can consistently put shots in a pie pan at a 100 yard range (elbows for a rest or standing) then I'm plenty happy with that.

[@TeamJesusOutdoors]

A 2 moa rifle, shooting from a bench, might only give 2 moa accuracy from that solid shooting position, so shooting in the field, the shooter may not be capable of repeating that accuracy. I have never been comfortable carrying any rifle that will not give me at least 2 moa, but most of my rifles are capable of at least 1.5 moa, or I get rid of them.

[@StumpkillerCP]

The three-ring binder of targets and load development I keep for my whitetail hunting rifle has a target on the cover. It was the first shot of the day at 100 yards (cold, clean barrel). It is 1/16” left of the intersecting lines in the center on that target. Granted, that was off bag rests. I practice out to 300 yards; which happens to be the point-blank range for the bullet I shoot. The deer I butchered today and will be canning tomorrow was taken at 15 yards. 😂

[@michaelstorm8578]

When taking a long shot you have wind to deal with too and it may be quite different at the target than where the shot was fired. Thanks for the video.

[@locacarnivore900]

You are right, and thank you for the nice comment.

[@albertaoutdoors9220]

My 3030 is 3MOA and don’t shoot past 200 yards anyway 308 is an moa rifle but I don’t shoot past 300 on game 338 is 1.5 moa and is used primarily for moose and bear. Practice to 500 but hold myself to a limit of 400 or less if there’s wind I don’t like long bullet flight times and skittish animals. Or strong wind.

[@gc641]

Nice video…..I have ocd however, it’s 1 moa or less for me, not to mention it’s fun trying to get a rifle shoot sub moa.🤙

[@reload280]

As a western big game hunter in eastern Montana I have found that shots of 400+ yards on deer and elk are not uncommon though I have also taken animals inside 100 yards here. It all just depends on the situation at the moment one finds an animal worth shooting. My go to rifle shoots about 1.5 moa and my range has target stands out to 500 yards. Nice when I am working up a load and want to check shot placement as I build a shot card for in the field. The long range shooting game is a lot harder than just flinging lead and hoping to get lucky. Having a solid rest, knowing your actual range to target, proper breathing, understanding where your rifle shoots, and most importantly being able to focus and not be jittery when you are looking through your scope at the animal of your dreams all come into play.

[@Smitty-tc4ni]

I shoot about 3 inch groups at 25 yards with my Bear Grizzly recurve!

[@locacarnivore900]

Never seen a recurved grizzly. That must be some patient bear. :)

[@paulsimmons5726]

Most rifles are far more accurate than their owners, even with basic factory ammo. Given that fact, adjusting the trigger so that it’s smoother will yield an improvement in accuracy faster than any other action you might take on your rifle. If your trigger’s hard to press and literally shakes the rifle when it breaks, it doesn’t matter how much money you spent on ammo and your scope, that hard snap or break of the trigger just jarred your aim and the bullet trajectory! A smooth trigger is the first step towards an accurate rifle!

[@nfvethospital]

Familiarity and PRACTICE are the most essential shooting related factors in hunting. Accuracy is great, but if the hunter can't hold within the vitals, or dope their drop/wind well, the shot is gonna be a miss from the get-go. Mist modern bolt guns are well within 2moa, with many reasonably priced rifles at 1-1.5 moa. This is entirely adequate at normal hunting distances. Lever guns, semi autos, pumps, not as accurate generally, but still fine out to 150 yards or so. With practice, youll know your gun's limits and make shot selections accordingly.

[@robertdeford560]

I like to get my moa to 1in or less, I buy different brands & types of ammo to see which gives me the best shot group then I use that ammo & practice my technique to improve.

[@llkj7944]

Good topic because too many hunters are living in TV land. Too many get caught up in the marketing ploys! And too many hunters practice off a cement table sand bags and bi-pods, they believe because they can ring a piece of steel at 6-700 yards, that makes them proficient to actually take a shot on an animal at those ranges. Unfortunately in typical hunting situations, a shot on an animal is never typical…weather, altitude, ranging, shooting rest, rifle consistently, ammunition consistently , time to take the shot and your breathing at the time of the shot! My thoughts on hunting rifle accuracy, you get as accurate as possible, but consistently and knowing what it’s capable of is the most importance, practice shooting off hand, kneeling, prone…there’s no cement table with sand bags in the bush, if your an honest shooter , you will find your max range, for most In am willing to bet 300 yards is a long shot with an uncertainty of precision hit, 200 is more like a max distance. For non believers or elite shooters, try setting up a milk jug at 100 , 200 and finally 300 yards and see how many consistent shots you can make on it shooting off hand or off your back pack or kneeling, try it with all your hunting clothes on, try it out of breath from hiking up a hill and don’t take five minutes be for you pull the trigger in most cases you won’t get that much time, tree stand hunter and ground blind hunter excluded!

[@couespursuit7350]

Good video with a valid point. One aspect of accuracy while hunting is the rifle&shooter combined MOA capability. you have a rifle that I reliably shooting 1 MOA and a shooter that in a field and hunting situation is only able to achieve 2 MOA reliable then you have a 3MOA accuracy system.

[@dbmail545]

Combat accuracy is 3-4moa (1 mil). The biggest problem shooting at distance is doping the drop. Most supersonic hunting loads shoot adequately flat out to 250-300m. In my home state those are extreme distances. Hunting at greater distances than that bullet drop is more important than dispersion. VERY few hunters have access to ranges over 300m to actually dope their guns at greater range. VERY few hunters can hit targets over 300m without "walking" the impact onto target. My cousin guided in Alaska for years and confirms the limitations of most hunters.

[@DM-w5o]

This is assuming ideal conditions. In a 10 mph wind, the bullet will move 7” or more at 300. Also, down range energy is a factor. Recommended energy for elk is around 1500ft lbs. A .308 will drop below 1500 at around 375 yards. I agree with you. If you have to shoot more than 250, you don’t know how to hunt.

[@bobd8553]

agree!!

[@johnganshow5536]

And Bullet construction, a quality premium bullet can make the difference between a successful hunt and a wounded Elk that got away...

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Aye, there’s a point where hunting turns to shooting. Only fools don’t know the difference.

[@nmelkhunter1]

@@glennllewellyn7369What point is that?

[@DM-w5o]

@@nmelkhunter1 When you can’t guarantee that you will hit the kill zone on a cold bore, with enough energy to kill the animal.

[@galenhisler396]

I think 400 yds is long enough. But everyone should know their limitations and stay inside them .

[@JCZ_888]

I have three requirements for hunting rifles, my main hunting rifle is a Blaser R8 Success that with most barrels will return 0.5 MOA if I do my part. 1. My maximum range is

[@geraldb4201]

well with my handloads my 7mm rem mag keeps its groups under 3/4 of a inch just started working up a load with my 30-06 factory ammo its shooting 2 inch groups im pretty sure i can get that gun under a inch by next hunting season with the right hand loads the 308 im useing this year is shooting 1.5 inches and my wifes 308 is shooting around 2 inches and our 2 308s are the old remington 742s my old 303 british is shooting around a 3 inch group

[@NorthRiverGuide]

This is assuming the shooter can cleanly execute a shot on game, and actually knows where the vitals are. At go-time the avg mook could add another 20moa onto that group size

[@jeanmorin3247]

Marketing Rules the World. What we know today as being fundamental truth has pretty all been invented by marketing. You just don't know what it is that you don't need.

[@markchester7584]

Temperature, wind, air pressure and altitude. All need to be similar to sighting in conditions for your points to be valid. Even then competency plays a part.

[@garyh1449]

Way too many variables. Bullet drop, Wind, ability to shoot in a hunting situation rather than bench shooting, estimating distance and on and on. Then there is bullet selecting to match velocities. Today it's easier that in the past. If you are hunting with old firearms of the 1940'-1950's where a lot of rifles weren't free floated or bedded, 1MOA wasn't common place. And then there are scopes with varying amounts of parallax. Some people have to settle with a budget rifle and an old Tasco scope ahd make due with what they have. Just know what your firearm and chosen ammo is capable of with your shooting and you should do just fine.

[@timothym2241]

Wind? Drop? Estimated distance?

[@glennllewellyn7369]

Out to 80 freehand. Out to 180 rested. Can’t get closer? Question why you are there.

[@nmelkhunter1]

Have you ever hunted pronghorn on the high plains of New Mexico or Wyoming? If not, then you should be prepared for 300-350 yard shots. That’s not to say closer shots aren’t made, it’s just to say that there are times when longer shots can be made.

[@againstit224]

@@nmelkhunter1 eating pronghorn will make you wonder why anyone would want to hunt them

[@nmelkhunter1]

@ Depends on the habitat they are in.

[@Cavemanarizona]

1 to 2 inches should be minute of deer

[@winstonskafte5505]

Yep my guns been getting much heavier and harder to pack.

[@christinamoneyhan5688]

3” or less MOA and no shots past 300 yards. Most people cannot shoot very accurately off hand anyway. Sight in on the bench then get out doors and shoot from the standing knealing position using you hunting ammo and caliber of choice.

[@maximpestsolutions3696]

Thanks for the informative Video 😉👌. New Subscriber👍. Cheers 🙏🇨🇦

[@heathenprojects2639]

I go to the range at least once a week normally to shoot my 22 I get guys that ask me to look at there rifles they say it don't shoot good 9 times out of 10 it's a expensive rifle $100 scope as for game hunting it's really not hard to get it done

[@winchester358]

If your 1 moa high at 100m at 800 your 8 high so aiming center of kill zone you will be 4 high above the kill zone besides at 300+ meter your going to be making a few adjustments lol

[@EOSD7]

Precision (group size) is not accuracy. A serious hunter can't have enough of both to hit accurately, even under difficult conditions, which are always present in hunting.

[@mirandahotspring4019]

Just about every commercial hunting rifle from a reputable company is usually much more accurate than the person firing it. Forget the rifle being capable of 1 MOA, how many hunters could hold a 1 MOA group, standing, unsupported, on uneven ground, after walking up hill for the last 30 minutes? Factor in the adrenalin of the chase, a scope with raindrops on the objective lens... See where I'm going with this?

[@locacarnivore900]

The nut behind the trigger is always the most critical component. Thanks for watching.

[@craigoldsen1667]

It’s actually minute of arc....not minute oof angle.

[@pickin4you]

All of my bolt action rifles, which I hand load for, are bench rest accurate. My lever guns will all shoot under a nickel at 100 yards. If my bolt guns are wadding out a hole, there is no reason for a miss when hunting. It’s the only ethical way to do it. Make them as accurate as possible. If you settle, you’re lazy and the animal will suffer.

[@GM-md5ss]

Most if not all factory guns will outshoot most hunters

[@jeffbaker5038]

If I can't get 3 shot 1" groups off the bench with a bolt gun, I'm just not interested in owning it. To me good enough isn't good enough. There are plenty of other variables in hunting situations. My gun won't be one of them.

[@roddecker5481]

I like my family of classic sport hunting rifles.the really old ones are COOL everybody else likes theirs competition guns hunting even badgering is to a point accepted environment. Until people get abnoxious. Or rediculous. Time to leave. Enjoy comments.

[@DavidDeshane-ic4cg]

Shooters today don't even try to get close. Not sure if it's because they atr lazy or just crappy hunters.

[@languagesource355]

But what about the shooter's ability? If the shooter is inexperienced and adds 2MOA or more of dispersion on top of the rifle's precision, then he is better served with a 1 or 2MOA rifle vs. a 6MOA rifle, hypothetically. I understand that training and practice are important. But practice takes time. So if the hunt is next week, a new shooter is better off with a new 2MOA (or better) bolt rifle vs. grandpa's old 6MOA lever gun. Again, that's hypothetical. In my observation lever actions are quite accurate at the practical range of the given cartridge, i.e. 30-30, usually far better than 6MOA. So at the end I agree: instead of obsessing about a rifle's inherent precision one should practice to reach one's own maximum potential with the given rifle. And to not take shots at animals beyond one's own current ability. I think if I was taking out a very inexperienced shooter, I'd give them a shotgun with slugs or a rifle with iron sights and tell them to keep their shots inside of 80 yards :) Because new shooters tend to assume that optics make them shoot better.

[@winchester358]

FYI Savage claims sub MOA 100 man can't believe your making these statements I've owned Marlins and 99s sub MOA

[@damianchristie288]

Thats assuming the shooter is infalable

[@locacarnivore900]

And you know what happens when you assume...

[@colinsimmons2913]

very good info. but i dont know about this gun being to accurate i just bought a German rifle and it makes me look like a dick every time i get behind it will out shoot me.🤣🤣😂

[@ozada7585]

My current .308 my hand loads shoot 1.5 at 100 2” at 200 an 4” at 300 consistently for hunting I’ll take that

[@terrycalvert7812]

If I have a rifle that won’t shoot under a half inch with my hand loads it doesn’t go hunting until I find the load that it will shoot under half inch with!! A 2 MOA rifle shouldn’t be shot past 100 yards no matter the size of the kill zone!! Most hunters don’t practice as much as they really should. They buy a couple boxes of ammo for their rifle at Walmart the week before season opens go to the range shoot one 2 MOA group and think their ready to hunt!! They haven’t shot the rifle enough to even get really comfortable with it most rifles aren’t even set up to fit them properly!! Iv seen more rifles with improper eye relief that your average hunter setup on the kitchen table crooked scopes cheap cheap cheap bases and rings and all this adds up!! Then the buck steps out at 200 yards their already shooting a 4 inch group under ideal conditions the adrenaline adds another 2 inches to that groups and if there is any wind well we just gained another inch or two!! Now our 4 inch rifle in the hands of the average guy just turned into a 8 inch rifle!!

[@benthere404]

Depends on caliber as well, 45-70 lever gun won't shoot pin point like a 243 bolt gun, it just won't do it. A 1 1/2" group for a 45-70 is great for 5 shots, where as if a bolt gun shooting spitzers won't shoot any load under an inch, I sell it. I'll accept a little less accuracy for a lot bigger hole. Leverevolution ammo has changed what is possible with lever guns.

[@robertotto5811]

Yet somehow hunters killed game with iron sites for centuries.

[@terrycalvert7812]

@ those were the hunters that only had one rifle and had to learn to use it as effectively as possible to feed their family’s!! Big difference in needing that meat to feed your family and just wanting to shoot something for a Facebook picture like everyone is into these days!!

[@robertotto5811]

@terrycalvert7812 it's really not any different. The fundamentals are the same. Either you know how your rifle shoots and how to shoot it, or you don't. A lot of people think that if they just buy a more accurate rifle they'll be a better shooter. Not always the case. They just own a rifle that's CAPABLE of better accuracy. But it's no substitute for knowing how to shoot.

[@benthere404]

@@robertotto5811 Some of it is ammo as well though. Have to experiment with weight and composition bullets to find what it likes the best, average joe won’t care. Got a savage 243, lightest I’ll go for deer, that only shoots 2” groups at best with every ammo except Barnes, which it shoots 5 shot groups you can cover with a penny. Wish this wasn’t true, cause Barnes is expensive.

[@chamblen4]

the information in this video is very deceiving. First you explain MOA, so you are assuming you are not talking to people with a great understanding to begin with. Then you explain 1 MOA should give you enough accuracy to harvest a doe at 600 yards. What deer cartridge doesn't drop over a foot at 600yds? Someone who didn't know what MOA is, is ABSOLUTELY not going to be able to take the same rifle on the same day and shoot a 1" group at 100yds and then be able to shoot a 6" group at 600yds while still being centered over the bullseye! Maybe that person gets really, really lucky and there is no wind that day and manages a 6" group, but depending on the cartridge, might be 3' low! First you talk to us like we might not understand MOA but then completely leave out bullet drop? Let alone wind deflection! If a hunter is shooting 2 MOA i'd tell them to zero in at 100yds, check the ballistics table for the ammo they are shooting and consider the distance that the bullet drops 3" to be the maximum range they should shoot at an animal without aiming high. Most ballistics charts show leaving your point of impact 1.5" high at 100yds This is also perfectly acceptable. There will be an alarming number of deer getting wounded to just suffer if people take the advice in this video! Yes i understand there are people with range finders who have the ballistics table for their round and load memorized that can hit a dime at 100yds and then an 8" plate at 1,000yds, these are not the people you are addressing when you start by explaining MOA. Please add a correction to this video where you explain bullet drop and maybe even wind deflection!

[@brianmccormack84]

Go shoot at a milk jug at 300 yd in a field position😂 good luck

[@kingy300wby]

Terrible information, people who have no idea about shooting will now think they can shoot long range, your only talking about Moa, not velocity or energy, not bullet construction, not weather conditions, not altitude, not the ability of the shooter in real world situations, please don’t talk shit.

[@12vibaba]

agreed.

[@gw5436]

Nah, don't you watch Backfire? Everything is 6.5PRC and shoots benchrest accurate...