Every Spot Counts! Chasing Passing Points at Cedar Lake’s USA Nationals!

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[@tfatcher]

Joseph tried everything, low side, high side but we just could not get out of turn 2 with any momentum. Like you said after Fan Fund race, no grip. Still, I love the enthusiasm the HTF team maintains. There's no cryin' on this team! 👍👍👍👍

[@acurarl9929]

What race were you watching. When he was huh side with good entry he was exiting like a space ship late for alien date night.

[@Pod_motorsports189]

I like how most of the people in these comments have NEVER won a late model race let alone EVER raced with competition on the caliber that Hunt The Front is racing against currently 🤦🏼‍♂️ Yall need to understand without the financial backing and years of experience/r&d like the other teams have these guys are bringing a knife to a gun fight. Nothing but respect for HTF for showing up and giving it their all when the odds are heavily stacked against them 🏁 keep digging you guys, things will turn around for you!

[@pipegang6497]

yes but as much money as they piss away on putting brand new bodies on cars after ever race they could take that money and pay someone for a little setup advice

[@johnnymarzetti9130]

Funny how you just contradicted yourself by criticizing others that have no experience then praising the for having no experience lol! I’m sure we’re all rooting for them, as I am, but I see most people giving constructive criticism to them which imo is not a bad thing. It doesn’t meant were against them.

[@JJ-1-1]

But what if there was some of us have who have won races ?

[@tonygreene8476]

Most of them that comment like they know exactly what's going on have never been to a race and only see races on a screen

[@WindRider1]

@@JJ-1-1 exactly. He is just assuming everybody on here is I racers or keyboard racers. There are plenty of former and current racers on here giving some good constructive feedback.

[@teresagoodwin7458]

That was awesome y'all were voted in for The FAN Favorite Race especially so far from home!! That's REALLY COOL!!! Your fan base is growing fast!!! Better luck in the B main, cheering y'all on from SC. Love y'all at HTF🤗🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@1.4Gwagon]

For those watching and never been to Cedar Lake speedway....it's no joke. The cars running in the back would win weekly at your local track. Full throttle mixed with insanity might get Joseph in the big show

[@steveminer8341]

I've been to Cedar Lake Speedway many times and you are spot on. It's one of the best tracks around.

[@djin812]

They're so close to being a good team. Need to quit driving scared and unleash that potential. They have the best equipment and are the owners. Just needs to run harder, tune for a higher line , and compete like it's the last lap he'll ever make.

[@bcpitch5]

Absolutely.....and learn how to drive each track and take notes

[@NoXqses11]

Driving scared?? It's called grip

[@MyUchan1981]

They just don't have it

[@1clnsdime1]

I couldn't agree more they seem very timid and just like after qualifying when they were 27th. He was like ateast we didn't do like Owen's and hit the wall. Well Owen's was trying stuff and at the end of the night they usually have it figured out. They have got to get on the wheel or stay home at the weekly shows. The driver needs to trust his team more. They will give him info and he and he acts like I don't care what u said I'm doing all I can do. I would love to see them up front in the national events. Instead of a filler car in the back of the big show.

[@edgallimore2843]

Wow these are some harsh words for people who I assume have never raced. I understand watching them struggle is tuff but the competition is tuff I mean very tuff and they just started racing and traveling against the best in the nation. It'll come and don't think for a second Joseph isn't getting all he can outta the car....

[@samfeuster4673]

Got to finally see you live last night. I don’t get how you can nail a setup on your first trip to the speedway. Me and the boys got some swag. I’d have to say your team has the most swag in the grandstands. Definitely a big following. Good luck today and hope ya’all make it up here again.

[@krismcqueen3440]

You guys are living the dream and I couldn't be happier for you all!!

[@deanbanks3392]

Turn 2 is more like a nightmare.

[@bobbybraddock7530]

I have told you guys this several times, my sister-in-law DAD is the main man at Bilstein shocks ( Bill Stine) however you want to say it, I have been talking to him about you guys and he would love to meet you guys to talk about shocks! Let me know how and when he can get ahold of you guys so that he can compare the difference in the shocks you are running and his... possible sponsorship! let me know if you are interested??? I know he works with Jimmy Owens a good bit, plus many many others!! I told him you are running Penske to my knowledge! He has been in the dirt car racing with Bilstein for decades and knows his stuff very well!!! His name is Jim Hiland, he is always at the tracks collecting data and giving advice, very hands on guy!! May have to set your entire car up different than usual, but if it means winning races, that is a good thing, right??? Have not seen a single shock guy in your pits the entire time i have been watching you guys race or at the shop with the weight scales helping set up the shocks for a race!! Might be a good idea!!

[@christopherbaker4217]

Email them! I’m sure they won’t read much of these right now.

[@brentbutler114]

Look back to the video of when they got the new hauler, Joseph give out his email in that video of try to catch them on Facebook they monitor the HTF page often.

[@russlardinois5751]

Billstein shocks mean one thing it's the chassis that's means another.

[@shawnkirk2837]

HTF better win quick. All these fair weather fans haven't got a clue about stepping up in competition. It takes time to learn this, non southern red clay Midwest dirt.

[@tylerjones4768]

Rolling baby! Tough time here and there but getting her rolling more and more!! Love it boys!!

[@bodine4479]

Let’s go guys! I’m so proud at how far you guys have come! No matter what anyone says, you guys are just starting to climb this big dawg ladder! Y’all are an awesome group of people with a lot of potential! Keep digging fellaz! We’re pulling for y’all!!

[@runswithdogs6892]

Even the always defensive superfans have to admit this is tough to watch. Hope you guys hit the lotto and guess a setup that works. You've got all the tools.

[@rhodie33]

Car looks like it has zero drive off the corners.

[@donaldtolbert7804]

Man I can’t wait for each video,thank You and good luck from Alaska.

[@thelonerick2344]

Don't get discouraged guys I think most of the comments are disappointed because we want to see you do so well. You've come a long way and have the potential to go all the way

[@rdauterm]

Not the results you’re looking for, but you’re a class act and I’ve enjoyed watching the last two nights.

[@heinenbr00]

Keep digging! Loved watching you race in person finally, didn't matter if you fell back or pulled off I enjoyed watching you guys get up on the wheel and try your damnedest.

[@mechrandy]

Tight and pushing like a dump truck from the center-off. Means having to wait to get back on the throttle. L/f is way high and not working at all. I been working and setting up race cars for 40 years and it seems WAY out of balance!! Constructive Advice, love watching HTF.

[@skylertinsley4424]

I’ve said for a while his car doesn’t look the same as the others on the track. If that makes sense. lol l

[@skylertinsley4424]

As per the movement, etc.

[@keithcampbell2145]

Good effort guys. Stay positive like you always are. No doubt you'll get it figured it. I know you guys can easily run with the big dogs but its a little tougher running with the wolves. Keep doin what your doing cause you guys are doing it right and have fun ! With that said i need to run back in the house and grab myself another another adult beverage and get back out to the patio. listening to a good country band playing on the square downtown with the sound of heat races coming from the Brownstown Speedway in the background. Life is good !

[@tcjohnson3437]

The two race passing point system is excellent. Wish everything that has the ability to to run two heats did the same.

[@rickyb2200]

Hang in there guys , looking good just got to find that grip , and Joseph good luck

[@bobtait1734]

It seems the car is struggling getting off the corners, noticed this many times at different tracks, coming off turn 2 especially

[@CORNDODGER]

They need to RETHINK their setups in a bad way NEW chassis are built with a BALANCED setup in mind they are pushing the MC of the car 8 to 16 inches left of the center line ! To get the LF to work so you can SQUARE the REAR more and ROTATE not race SLIDEWAYS as old school LM do!!! A hole lot of TOP TEAMS know this and that is why you see HTF getting WAXED OFF THE TURN

[@calcolbert3443]

I agree

[@Huntinglife41]

That’s all capitals they just struggle in general you get what you pay for

[@Huntinglife41]

@@CORNDODGER seems like they need to get back around neutral setup

[@regdor8187]

@@Huntinglife41 : Not Really so, There is no magic, just knowledge, all the latemodel chassis have very similar adjustment ranges.....

[@stevenlanham3506]

I'm all for team HTF... But I I think they need to put that Jay Dickens power plant in Rocket Chassis

[@anthonyiesue791]

You have the motor, use the whole track Joseph. You guys aren't far off. Lil more rubbing couldn't hurt either

[@waynegray9166]

Good job in the 1st heat race. Little slip coming outta 2 but great recovery and getting the position back.Hop e everyone with me in the HTF fan base had a good wknd. Gonna do the 2nd part of the video now

[@twyzted2008]

Racing in the midwest in the heart of DIRTcar country sure isn't the same as running backwoods tracks down south. Steep ass learning curve racing with the big boys up here.

[@peterandrews7239]

Good job guys I’m proud of you for valiant effort

[@careyrobertson2835]

looking forward to you guys figuring out the slick tracks

[@TheCrewChief374]

When I was working with Kelly Shryock, the way he explain it. Is you need to at least pass one or two cars in the heat race. Getting yourself in the redraw, or as close as possible. You also want to take into consideration, you don't necessarily need to win a heat race. Because in some instances you are in a better position if you start fourth and finish second. The idea is taking smaller bites of the pie in the heat race. Then getting a little more in the redraw. So you are working smarter, not harder...

[@waynebratton9813]

Keep on diggen HTF,your very close. Very good Crew and they work their Butts Off

[@bryanslittlegarage5724]

Good luck guys you get that forward bite figured out and jojo will be at the front ❤️❤️❤️👍💯🔥

[@daveyendrzeski5574]

I was there. Traction was hard to find for these boys. Help is needed with chassis setup.

[@bradgarner9087]

You were there...Me too a lot of top guys had that issue. Also guys that come to cedar every year struggle with set ups they did decent for their first time.

[@KR-ti5uz]

No matter what HTF are the best, just keep digging.. giddy and godlike hll

[@PpEfti]

U gave it a he'll of a shot looking good keep the good work up and ur pit crew doing a good job keeping u were ur at..u all doing a great job waiting for tomorrow night I'm ready good luck 🤞

[@jasminesrebornworld296]

It's frustrating to see some of the comments,these fella work they're tells off to even make it ,they're living the American dream ,but folk come up here and say they hv the tools to work with now it's win,win win,these are the same fellas a couple of years ago barely could race on a constant weekends.i watch them cause of them fellowship, it's gonna come ,trials and tribulations keep digging fellas a guy from north Carolina is gonna watch

[@70motorsports_]

The car rips at the top of the track…. But he wants to jump back to the bottom every lap and lose a 0.1! You yourself should feel that you’re missing the entire groove in 1&2! You boys are killing it and love the content! I’m probably the 3rd or 4th viewer every video and been hanging with you guys since the 2nd video ever

[@timseldat7471]

There's something they are missing they have the power just need more forward bite keep digging guys

[@mechrandy]

More forward bite means less side bite and he is forever getting back on the throttle now.

[@Maddie-Girl]

Car works fine up top he just keeps going to the bottom

[@slotsavant4880]

@@Maddie-Girl The bottom is safe I am surprised he has a child the man has no balls

[@firstname6208]

total weight is NOT as important as balance. I have seen cars 200 lbs over the min but much more driveable esp on the slick tracks. weight needs to be up high to promote side bite, rear to promote forward bite. if you aren't sliding the tires, less heat and last longer.

[@michaellukasiewicz9683]

I agree the balance is the most important and I think they are out of balance. 🏁🇺🇸ML33MI

[@waynegray9166]

I kinda like passing points. It's a definite motivater.

[@rodconner9079]

Timing and Pressure! Let's Gooooooo!!!! Be Safe

[@brodyboyer3527]

Have you guys thought about running at the Belleville High Banks with the XR Super Series?

[@georgiabandit1321]

Nice run Joseph. Good 👍 luck.

[@qt1070]

Do y’all review the Go Pro footage after each heat race? By watching his hands. And listen to the throttle response. I think that can help.

[@michaelholliday5620]

My guess needs to be a tick longer on throttle entering and quicker response exiting corner just my opinion but good work guys you'll get better

[@glennrollins8422]

TRUE, every word. Give Jesse a chance. He's frustrated with the letting off early and getting on the throttle late.

[@rickycorbin4626]

The late great Midwestern driver Ned Lucas said if you can't enter the corner full throttle an come out the other side then your car is not set-up right .that driver never backed out of throttle

[@marklavallee5610]

Passing points are great for the fans

[@tommybarr7926]

Y’all should for sure come up to PA for the Williams Grove world of outlaws late model race

[@charlesflora6135]

Time to pull out “Betty”😉

[@ryanmcguire8752]

Can't tell Joseph is from the south cause he sure loves that catfish'n 🤣🤣

[@stevehesseltine1898]

Just no forward bite coming off the corners. The guy's that are beating him are hooked up and gone coming out of the corners. Get that figured out and you will be a factor.

[@FindAPurpose24]

Always remember (movements like steering and weight shifting); slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

[@joshdickens3974]

Car look good just got to make some adjustments and y'all will be up there and contending for the win maybe even get the win just got to make them adjustments but the car look good good job good finish keep it up

[@captainwhiplash]

Stay high run on stored momentum. Jesse keep him up high!!!!

[@chrisgable8408]

He got to put together a slick track package

[@ira_peavy]

MARSHALLLL! Lol, good luck tonight guys.

[@toddmohr8624]

You were flying around the top in one corner and out of the throttle for a long time in the other. Have fun and keep plugging away. ??? Would a gear change help on the slick times and take a few degrees of timing out will slow engines response and torque curve. Good luck guys

[@marvinalancornell8275]

It's good to see Troy with y'all....Maybe he will bring y'all some luck. Get-um Joseph.....

[@davidconley3610]

They miss old Troy more than they would admit!! Ain’t been as competitive since he left!!

[@skylertinsley4424]

@@davidconley3610 since Cameron the tire guy left

[@johnhale9892]

Hey Joseph, never ever pass up the scales again, ever!!!! Get some dang forward bite in that darn capital with a touch side bite. Never ever pass up the scales what ever you do.

[@Huntinglife41]

Not going to do much in capitals I mean if your “house car driver / input guy” can’t make and win races what makes you think an average joe can. Everyone knows to be even some what competitive you need a longhorn or a rocket end of story

[@scottholbert2742]

@@Huntinglife41 oh, 👍 😵‍💫

[@dennislodes7407]

Just a couple observations, You need forward bite. Don't over think the set up, 4th fast and you say you start changing everything. Get back to basics and find that forward bite. Routing for you guys, love your comittment and enjoy the videos.

[@davidhill588]

I think Joseph would do great in a modified, drag race down the straights and coast through the corner

[@waynegray9166]

I can see a difference in the crew with the passing points in effect A bunch of great people to begin with,mind you, but I can see and feel a bigger sense of perfection.. Same 4 tires is a good one, I think, it would keep the track more consistent.

[@raymondbrandt7831]

ok starting 33rd will finish below that , should just put it in the trailer

[@caseynuchols3576]

Once y'all find some forward drive y'all gonna be a major force! 👊

[@jonnybalz]

We'll take it!

[@OddballHillbilly419]

Once you understand the formula, the passing points deal is pretty cool. Until then, trying to understand it will drive you nuts

[@elijames3041]

As always grate racing

[@bergracing5b547]

Hope you are enjoying your time up here in Wisconsin

[@jaylamson1859]

Is there a reason or some sort of strategy on why you keep coming off of the top I always thought being up would also less wear on tires

[@bobbybraddock7530]

You need some good shocks that you can change on the fly!!

[@glennrollins8422]

Michael Holliday's comments are spot on. You're starting to slow down for the 3rd turn while still on the back straight away. As Jesse yelled, "don't let up". I know that he's frustrated because he doesn't let up.

[@terrypowers7806]

Jesse also spins out. Learned his lesson a few races back. Not saying that Joseph can't stay on the gas longer but nobody is in that car but him. It's easy to tell him not to let up when you are not the one driving.

[@jeromejames6096]

I believe Joseph is faster on the high side.......just send it!! HTF!!!

[@donburr3670]

If you go back and look at alot of the races you done well at you have ran the high side. I just think you are a great momentum racer. Stay on the high side and replace the body panels. Good luck my friend.

[@ron...747]

Keep on keeping on you will get it done ✅ good luck.🏁🏁🏁 . The car is looking good. You guys working hard great weekend.

[@bryanpauley1455]

No forward bite has been killing you guys hard to get anyplace spinning your wheels half way down the straight away old car seemed to hook up better than this one

[@jamesolsen1150]

like it for the big shows

[@robertengster5643]

Zero rear bite Joseph You can't go forward or be competitive without being able to stay in the gas.. Turn wait Slide Wait. No bite No traction. You gotta either fight through it and push it harder..or at least a continue feathering pedal. Smooth operator..

[@donaldblanton6007]

Y'all try Betty White Monday I think I'd be out at best bet if you want to run the J Dickens motor put it in Betty White. 🏁🏁🏁👍

[@jerrylewis4509]

I like the passing points

[@chrisgable8408]

Keep it going guys look y’all are rookies remember that it’s only gonna get better

[@brentbutler114]

I ain't gonna act like I know anything because I don't, but what I think I remember hearing if my memory serves me. Is when the track is dry slick like that is 1. Drop your stagger 2. Add rear bite and 3. Get off the bottom unless there is moisture down there and keep your momentum up on the topside with throttle control or get passed. I am not preaching I am truly asking a question if what I hear is true or have been getting bullshit info?

[@matthewatkins9074]

What size motor y'all running

[@scottjarrells8339]

I'd almost get the other car out because he knows it better. Capital may have changed some things on the new car plus with more power you have to do different things with settings and the chassis

[@pauldurrah3777]

the 2 guys that past you in the dash had something figured out

[@RedRiverTacticalOutdoors]

Love the channel but I have a question. Why does Joseph always want to run the bottom even when the top is clearly faster? He almost lost the 3rd spot by running the bottom.

[@RedRiverTacticalOutdoors]

He could have won the fan dash if he would have stayed on the top

[@jrstaccin7893]

@@RedRiverTacticalOutdoors I’m sure he felt more comfortable on the bottom then the top even tho the top was faster it’s just a driver instinct

[@davidburchfield2720]

I think he is afraid of racking the car or don't like running the top but if your going to run with the big boy's you have to

[@Huntinglife41]

Assuming he goes where the car is best

[@brettcaudill9621]

Just because the top is faster doesn’t mean their setup works just as good on top. He may have been more comfortable on bottom and felt faster down there.

[@justgus5150]

can anyone tell me the difference between a pull bar and lift bar, and how you choose ?

[@block21motorsports]

Personally I prefer passing points. Makes for interesting racing.

[@woofersd2383]

Good job HTF Crew.

[@bpettit2209]

Everyone looks so much faster than them.

[@konniekonrad2223]

I was at both nights so far and went and got a t-shirt, cheering for him everytime he goes out there but God it's so hard to watch when he looks so fast on the high side but he decides to go low side

[@rickycorbin4626]

I think he feels a little intimidated on thr top

[@stevekennedy5802]

Tight off

[@deanbanks3392]

The car looks like it can't get off of turn 2 at all--high or low. No traction?

[@gregcrouse5560]

Congrats 🏁 keep digging 💪 you all can do it as a team ! #JESUSisALIVE #HTFnation

[@djin812]

So frustrating watching him go in so low and come out so low, when he looks so fast on the mid and high lines.

[@toddmohr8624]

And getting blown away by the high line drivers

[@regdor8187]

Habit, formed early on....His Qualifying at Cedar Lake showed that he Can drive it in and turn without letting off ( where he looses 0.1 second every time).....He can do it, and he will, when he realizes that old habits are what is delaying his success.....

[@Etan1122]

Says no grip but he’s running the bottom where there isn’t any. They looked best in the dash running high but he’d do it for a corner and go back middle low

[@dgyoutube2405]

Correct the bottom part of the track is for lapped cars.

[@cadeshetter8168]

Right but it definitely isn't due to any lack of effort. These guys are working their asses off to be competitive.

[@ericabrasher2321]

Tough break guys sleep on it you guys will figure it out

[@dennisloper8102]

Chech the pre load on the lift arm

[@stevenbrann4672]

Grips on the Cushion. Are you going to the North & South

[@jeffreyweatherwax5444]

Would you guys ever consider running the Dale engine in the new car just to see how that would go?

[@raymondbailey2401]

It seems like getting drive off like these main guys like Owens and Davenport they get way better drive and traction

[@RODCOCKMAN]

Back when I raced modified’s, and we ran 9” gears, my dad would always go with a lower gear on a track like this. We normally ran a 67 or 83 gear, but he would go with a 43 or 29 so I wouldn’t blow the tires off, and still be able to get grip on the somewhat tacky line.

[@CORNDODGER]

And use the torque that you had in the engine not just HANG the RPM half way down the STRAIGHT

[@tomsherwood1819]

i was wondering why not try that awhile ago. take some wheel speed out of it maybe it will help the chassis with the lack of forward grip. i was also wondering if pulling a bunch of timing out of the engine on a slick track was a thing in dirt racing like it is in drag racing.

[@justinworkman9980]

So good at making the b main

[@jasonlong3929]

Better find some grip in the slick

[@jayirving6996]

haha! hunt the back was in the house.. same problem you had in the first heat you couldnt get back in the throttle coming off the corner. shoulda made changes after 1st heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@dennisrivett8422]

Seems like that less aggressive Dickens motor joseph should keep it wound up around the top anywhere htf goes.