Husband Annihilates Family After Wife Has Lesbian Affair | James Kraig Kahler Case Analysis

[@retriever19golden55]

I always wonder, why the children?! Feelings can run pretty high between spouses, but why why why kill your own kids?!

[@MM-hf6om]

My guess. He killed the kids that he saw traits from his wife in. Seems like that's how deep his hatred ran at the end

[@JaxonSmithers]

Reminds me of John List. He even killed his mom smh

[@yogaqueen1527]

I assumed the kids where on the mom side, and he didn't like that

[@vonstreckerz]

Not the male kids because in his sick mind women are the problem

[@steve10]

He saw the girls as mini me's of his wife , I think he stopped seeing them as his kids and saw them as the enemy as they stuck by their mom , either he , or the girls decided they didn't want a relationship with each other , whereas his Son obviously still wanted contact , hence why he kept him alive , although the poor lad still has to live with what happened.

[@DaVizzle_Bro]

Never marry somebody who doesn't show complete satisfaction and loyalty to you.

[@syeddaahmed7460]

And avoid murderers.

[@DaVizzle_Bro]

@@syeddaahmed7460 😅 yes that too

[@timothy4011]

Fellas, don’t get married period. There’s nothing in it for us. You don’t need a ring to have a great life with someone. It only makes it harder to break free when betrayed.

[@GurneroMaelstrom]

@@timothy4011 exactly

[@DaVizzle_Bro]

@amyschmidt1113 People change their minds sure. But a commitment is a commitment. Divorces should only happen when someone has cheated, NOT because "there's not a spark anymore"

[@kindacrazyAna14]

I hope her son Sean is doing ok. One minute, he was doing something fun/silly and the next he loses EVERYTHING at age 10. Sean, I really, really hope you conquered this dark time in your life.

[@kindacrazyAna14]

@KarenUnleashed ok but I need to know he was able to move forward (mostly) with his life.

[@AGHORNATH18]

​@@kindacrazyAna14i doubt it. Jesus. Trauma lasts awhile.

[@ReneyHernandez]

hey sean, a good way of coping is thru the use of hard drugs- particularly crack cocaine and heroin

[@carolnahigian9518]

Kraig was OCD and yeesh- narcissist and MISER; how did he ever MARRY???!!

[@Gramatic69]

Do you mean his son? His mother was abusing him and using him to hurt his father. Are you dumb?

[@tortimeese]

Interesting how, in the sequence of photos, he starts out looking oddly eccentric then looks absolutely deranged and demonic in the mugshot and trial pictures. A simply horrific story.

[@shameronstar7220]

The deterioration of his mental state in real time

[@sarahfrith1984]

I have heard this case told a number of times and it’s said Craig was controlling and abusive during the marriage so Karen probably would have wanted to leave regardless of her relationship with Sunny. It’s very sad that his life fell apart and he felt murder was the answer. I struggle to understand people murdering their children. I hope the victims are resting peacefully and that Sean is doing okay.

[@dc3174]

Ultimate control freak act

[@kentkatchem]

Jealously is more powerful then anything you can imagine if you let it....

[@wirmerflagge999]

fuck you. hold on - first of all i am not enjoying the quips and word play. not for this one. this is incredibly serious. secondly, the issue here is not that he was "rejected romantically," but that his entire family was ripped away from him by his wife's mid-life crisis, post menopausal love affair with another woman. a woman she had met during his absence FOR WORK, FOR HIS FAMILY. this is not a romantic rejection. and as a psychotherapist, todd should know better, this is an entire meltdown of the only thing that a man ever cares about - his wife and his children - his family. his world was destroyed. so enough with the quips. and please show this man and that relationship the gravity deserved. he was destroyed. by her. not a justification. but certainly a fundamental truth.

[@wyganter]

“He was sooo controlling! He got upset when I licked another woman’s pussy. OMG!”

[@jhonklan3794]

she should not have cheated on him and especially not in front of guests. She was just as abusive tbh

[@BansheesBanshin]

Absolutely horrific story. Great analysis, as usual!

[@kanstrand]

I feel so bad for the surviving son, I hope he doesn’t have survivor’s guilt and can really put all the blame on his dad, the real perpetrator… so tragic overall though

[@gertrudewest4535]

This is why I live alone.

[@alysaurusrex2166]

Totally speculating but I feel like he had a degree of hatred toward women. This got way worse when his wife left him for a woman. Could also explain his disdain for the girls and not his son.

[@amsbloom6034]

​@@Aaron722076Lol, he wouldn't allow the other relationship. He thought it was hot to be able to fetishise his wife having sex with another woman but got testy once he realised it was actually a real relationship

[@jenz5607]

I think he would have killed his wife if she had tried to leave him an any manner. He sounds like a real piece of work.

[@julieblair168]

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY Dr. Grande 🇺🇸 from CANADA DAY 🇨🇦

[@bunnybgood411]

It wasn't Sunny's fault. Her marriage wasn't happy. The murders were solely Kraig's fault. He was responsible.

[@dreamcore]

"Happy" über alles

[@Joe-qm4yv]

Debatable

[@bobdobbs7080]

I bet his dog ran away too...right after his truck broke down.

[@WorldOfEnchantment44]

Nothing makes what Craig did ok. Nothing. However Sunny had absolutely no place getting herself involved with a married woman. Do not cheapen your value and standards by getting involved with a married person. And do not disrespect the vows of marriage by straying elsewhere. Respect yourself enough to end one relationship before you move into another one

[@TSUNAMI-MAMI]

I hear you. But infidelity happens every day and people manage not to murder their wandering spouse.

[@Badtown1988]

Ok, that’s good advice, but how about we focus on the murder and not put anything near the same level as that? Infidelity is morally wrong, but if you’re mentioning it in the same sentence with murder, I’m a little concerned about your priorities.

[@lisabradford8180]

@@TSUNAMI-MAMI true, thank god.

[@SoporVK]

True but it sounds like you’re blaming mostly sunny. That was a long rant. Craig decided to make the choice to kill. He could have walked away.

[@seanism2011]

@@TSUNAMI-MAMIagreed but still not worth the risk.

[@bonnielicollins2958]

I don’t think it’s fair to say that the girlfriend didn’t worry about her safety just because she had an additional motive. I think both can be simultaneously true, that she saw the abusive issues in the relationship and that she felt like she could offer her better Especially since she told the married woman that she thought she was married to a narcissist and this seemed to be agreed with in this video Narcissists aren’t good lovers, that’s reason enough to leave

[@crazychase98]

Your trying to promote cheating lol. Your kind of proving the dude right.

[@michellefoy5198]

What a maniac! He'll never again see the light of day. ; )

[@alicetulllyhall1]

Blaming Sunny (?) for the affair after the husband had given “permission” is untenable. If the husband encouraged this action he had no one to blame for the consequences. And I wonder if the affair was “allowed” due to Craig’s perhaps misinformed notion that sex between women is “real” as no male is involved. Clearly he came to learn otherwise.

[@imdbtruth]

He should've never agreed to let her have an affair... Sin leads to further sin, and it always starts with a lie.

[@jackiegrice714]

If you open a door in your marriage through agreeing to an affair, you have to be prepared for your spouse to walk out of it. Maybe this marriage was doomed either way. Thanks for covering this Dr. Grande.

[@crazychase98]

If a women wants an open. Relationship it's over she's all ready been cheating or has someone lined up to do it

[@AaronJamesLievestro-hj2qs]

I love the attempt of dry humour talkin about morbid topics 😁

[@momof1576]

Unfortunately I see a lot of cases in which would be swingers and people who agree to open relationships leading to jealousy and violent behaviour. I suspect he was all for the lesbian affair because he wanted to watch. Unfortunately his wife fell in love with her lover. That being said this case smacks of power imbalance and coercive controlling behaviour. My domestic violence training tells be that there were red flags before the affair. This man controlled his wife financially and sexually and couldn’t handle it when he couldn’t control her feelings.

[@idellbrown1825]

The reason spernd spouses kill the kids , family members of the one that wants to leave is to cause as much pain to that person and usually leave the one that wants to leave alive to suffer the worst pain manageable to get back for the pain they're going through. This happens often. They're happy to see the pain even when they're found guilty. The old saying....., If I can't have you, nobody will.

[@realnush]

2:59 not “he was trying to block out the sun” 💀 omg lol

[@happytomeetyou.3027]

Dr. Grande! That "trail mix" comment .... was hilarious!

[@TheDealMaster]

We may need to change your name to Dr. Prolific! Hahaha. Even on holidays, a new vid! Happy 4th of July Dr. Thanks for all your hard work. I really enjoy your videos. Now, regarding this video specifically: Craig is obviously guilty as sin, as we see. Plus, and I know this wouldn't hold up in court (haha), but he just visually "looks" slimy and underhanded. Some people just have that face. 😆 Again, have a great holiday evening Doc.

[@ChopBassMan]

It sure seems that Sunny has some culpability here.

[@pezeron24]

You don't know that.

[@dreamcore]

​@@pezeron24Uh, yeah we do.

[@shameronstar7220]

@@pezeron24She practically contributed to the figurative and literal destruction of that entire family.

[@roser1760]

Ever heard of divorce? People get cheated on all the time without committing mass murder.

[@willthebeast8002]

Sunny went from Monkeying around, to being a Monkey wrench.. leading to Craig going Ape-shit.

[@pashon4percushon]

that was really good you identified meaningfulness in relationships in this case money couldn't win over love

[@danielpalmer1297]

I love how people are defending him in the comments when millions of people have affairs. Should they all be shot along with their innocent children? Absolutely disgusting, this man was obviously an unhinged maniac.

[@danielpalmer1297]

Also Dr. Grandes weird analysis saying “if Sunny hadn’t done this this and this…” as if the wife IN the marriage wasn’t the real perpetrator of the affair. So weird.

[@electrofunk5442]

That guy looks like early Abe Lincoln photos 😂

[@erikmurray9564]

You cannot justify the killings with the affair. The fact that he killed his family is actually proof that Sunshine was correct about Karen getting away from Craig.

[@errinemcgrew7649]

Thank you! This analysis was very biased 🤔

[@deescott8312]

@@errinemcgrew7649he’s been married for 30 years so he probably sees his wife as His

[@cats.addict6457]

As always, very good analysis... Thanks a lot

[@lisabradford8180]

this happened just miles from where i live.

[@angielynch4217]

Ugh Craig seems like the worst.. sex 5 times a week and you’re cheap and stingy? No thank you, keep your shitty allowance. Men like him are really frightening, and makes me glad I’m rapidly becoming a spinster. Better to be alone than in an unhappy relationship. Never surrender to being a kept woman, it can be difficult to regain your independence and autonomy once you give it up for any amount of time.

[@nishottara777]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@gracewhitefeather1474]

You just described my ex husband but fortunately he married my childminder instead of murdering me and my two daughters.

[@amahana6188]

Ladies and gentlemen... this is yet another example of why must not ignore or rationalize away red flags.

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Always interesting. Very sad. Clever use of words. Thank you Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@DVincentW]

Dr Grande do a segment on Jon Jonchuck, who threw his 5 Y O daughter off a Tampa Fl area bridge. (St Pete) Also the Lyons Sisters, who were kidnapped in Silver Spring MD 1970s. Unless you already have.

[@lucky7mojo]

Gives whole new meaning to Dont Let The Sun Go Down On Me! missed that one didnt ya boy!

[@colbypatterson8273]

He forgot to add that his daughter's were taking his mother's side in the divorce even though she was the one that was cheating on him and initiating the divorce, she was making him pay child support and he lost his job because she pressed charges on him, making it so he had to live in his parents basement while he is paying for the wife and daughter to live in a cushy house. The wife was keeping his son from him as well. Not at all saying what he did was justified but the story becomes much more intriguing when you tell both sides completely

[@DVincentW]

"mac 90" rifle .223 : AK 47/74 replica. the shape scares the hell out of lambs.

[@mario-qi3yw]

Thank you for reviewing this case Dr Grande. I don’t understand the thinking that cheating on your spouse will help a bad marriage. I’m 60 so different generation.😊

[@mrfarts5176]

These people are garbage. They all end up in the gutter.

[@Phoenix-ov5gg]

Embracing progressive social ‘values’ correlates with societal misery.

[@bonnielee316]

“ But not surprisingly, the relationship between Sunny and Karen continues to shine! “ lol! I didn’t expect that between gulps of coffee. I’m so glad that I didn’t spit out my coffee!

[@theconsolekiller7113]

You know what they say, "Once you go probono"

[@privard89]

No more no-homo

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

@theconsolekiller - Once you go pro boner ?

[@antonydrossos5719]

IMHO, neither parent considered the children in this. It's just unfortunate it ended the way it did.

[@HexagonFL]

It sounds like Craig had money. He should have just gotten counseling and visited some nightclubs. I’m sure he would have had some excitement and enjoyed life with very attractive women around him. It’s a shame he chose the murder route.

[@MelvinJ64]

True, but i guess young women after his money didn't mean much to him. The family he spent his whole life building meant everything.

[@HexagonFL]

@@MelvinJ64 True. Counseling would have given him an opportunity to get comfortable with a life change though 🤷‍♂️

[@lalathebarbieee]

@@MelvinJ64it meant enough to him that he chose to kill his kids too, dad of the century🤪

[@pipernigrum]

Best case scenario for men in a marriage: sex will be "tolerated" by your wife. This seems to be the ultimate outcome of every marriage. Best not to get married if you're a man.

[@Throatzillaaa]

Yikes yikes yikes yikes

[@drummerman4444]

I can see the anger toward his wife, but can't see why he killed his kids.

[@Candybrickwall]

Sun made raisins are great in trail mix.

[@michaelstephens9852]

Im surprised he didnt go after sunny. Instead, he killed his daughters. Wow. Crazy world.

[@benny_lemon5123]

He probably hated his family more. Also, they were easier to find. Doesn't sound like Sunny was around when he wanted to murder.

[@LethoHali]

Oh noooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the sun ⛅️ 🌞 ☀️ references and losing remarks 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😅

[@brockwillis1979]

Dr. Grande, would you be able to do a case analysis of the disappearance of Joan Risch?

[@lucianoemmanuelramirez1304]

Dude in that Pic looks like he could be casted for the next Joker..scary

[@lukespack]

Lots of crazies in this country.

[@edwarcandy4648]

Where was sunny?

[@noelleelizabethan]

I dont care what your wife or partner does. HOW CAN YOU SHOOT YOUR OWN CHILDREN???

[@jharris3267]

Things like starting a new relationship while you are in a relationship never work out well. If they had simply divorce without a third party the children would be alive today.

[@gerry2345]

I like this vid. Good insight and great analysis.

[@roberthopkins3621]

Karen drove Craig over the edge . You can only kick a dog so many times before it bites .

[@cxkelley]

Well, this kind of thing happens unfortunately

[@aproxamillionwasps474]

The sun puns dr grande please 😭

[@cgoaziou1949]

Poor Karen, she went from one narcissist to another. 😧

[@rw7975]

...I think if he wasn't making $180K a year there wouldn't have been a second date. This isn't 'muh narc' - she could have been with a warehouse worker and endured none of this.

[@desertflowers1]

When you said a trail mix fueled escape 😂🤣😩. You need to be cancelled, sir

[@jaylove3487]

I know quite a few men whose wives left them for the affair partner. The majority were literally minutes away from doing something similar. For a lot of men losing their marriage and children is indicative of their life being over. Once they get past it they are OK but in the moment not at all.

[@fabioderossi1097]

I can only imagine how traumatized Sean is. Everything about this is just so sad.

[@commonsense2680]

Well, I'm sure Sean was initially traumatized when his mother cheated on his father, then the constant arguments the kids had to endure, and finally the divorce, all before this murder. How selfish can parents be???

[@RoseNZieg]

he is stupid. he should have broke off the relationship when she wanted the affair.

[@anablackwood6141]

I would have. Someone wanting an affair is basically saying "You're not good enough for me."

[@justnoted2995]

not so easy Rosy.. there are children involved, and he needed her at least sexually, and supported the family financially

[@wilhelmhagberg8854]

Yeah but he probably didn’t take the affair too seriously because it was lesbian. Porn and popular culture often portrays lesbian affairs as something all women do but without the commitment they have to their man.

[@champfisk5613]

​@@wilhelmhagberg8854does that not make them gay?

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

@spinetingler-op6stno, probably not. He is just sociopathic.

[@Kolamite78]

The fact that he also killed his own children, shows that there were much more problems going on than we knew.

[@easy_eight2810]

That is what can possibly happen when someone really "snaps"

[@altaisrs2857]

@@easy_eight2810 If he just "snapped", he wouldn't have let his son live. He knew what he was doing. He hated women, even an innocent old woman and his own kids.

[@adalovelace7620]

He was the problem….. unhinged.

[@ellismarsalis6064]

Daughters - not children - daughters. There is a long history of killing women and daughters as they are the principal scapegoat in male psychosis. This episode is just that. Another chapter in a millennium’s old book of casting women as conspirators, temptresses and witches. 😢

[@enderthexenocide760]

@@altaisrs2857 he didn't "hate women", you can't always just simplify things like that if you really want to understand anything. He targeted women here of course, but for a reason. The wife is obvious, the daughters at that moment at least he saw as "little Karens" essentially projecting his wife on to them. He likely saw Karens mother in a similar way, a conspirator facilitating the destruction of his family. It has nothing to do with hate towards women in general. If his son had been a mommas boy, hadn't asked to stay with the dad longer, or had openly shown disdain for the dad then he would have been killed right along with the women that day.

[@59Gretsch]

Introducing a third-party into a relationship never ends well. It’s especially sad when kids are involved.

[@robertstone9988]

Yep I know a dude this same thing happend to except he didn't kill any one. Let a 2nd woman come in to him and his wifes marriage the wife sees there are other options out there and kicks him out the house. Now his house has rainbow flags all hanging on the front porch and 2 bowl cut Ladys and 5 dogs living there one is my ant and she dosnt feel sorry for splitting up a marriage at all. I still thank it was shady and wrong but the out come is every one is more happy. Except the guy his life sucks but who cares about him I guess his fault for being born.

[@RosieyMarie]

@@robertstone9988 Or he could just grow some balls and find a new btch instead of being one

[@RosieyMarie]

@@robertstone9988 It's more sad for him to continue being with a woman/wife who does not want him anyway you know. That's just pure misery for everyone

[@robertstone9988]

@@RosieyMarie I don't know I still think home-wrecking is a pretty bad thing to do even if it results into 2 of the people being happier. My aunt is a very narcissistic and selfish person she did not care that she was destroying a marriage whether or not that marriage was doomed to begin with or not she knew exactly what she was doing when she tore it apart for her own selfish reasons I still don't think you get to murder people who do that to you. And to be honest I haven't talked to that guy in years. After my aunt stole his life we didn't see him very much after that go figure. Luckily there were no kids involved just wasted time and I guess he lost his house

[@kendi1417]

End? Why would he have wanted it to end!?

[@willthebeast8002]

Look at his grin, no remorse, guilt or regret. Damn....

[@theViomax]

If you're gonna do something do it with conviction I guess.

[@rabd3721]

I think the emotional impact of how his marriage ended broke his mind.

[@talkingtochapri]

​@@rabd3721His behavior and toxic masculinity impacted his marriage

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@talkingtochapriHer betrayal caused it.

[@denny414]

​@@Billy-bc8pkmoron

[@maureeningleston1501]

In his mugshot photos he not only looks smug, he also looks deranged.

[@The-Finisher]

Says it all imo

[@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected]

More like a smugshot photo

[@trinkets89]

He look like Abraham Lincoln

[@Kaiji700M]

Nah the guy looked happy and self satisfied

[@napesdrk1174]

​@@Kaiji700Myup, absolutely

[@shameronstar7220]

Interesting he left his son completely alone and just killed all the women.

[@roser1760]

Misogyny

[@rossshand4385]

His son was the one who wanted to spend time with him on the ranch. He probably felt like his son was loyal to him in a way the others weren't.

[@yam-w1u]

femicide

[@shameronstar7220]

@@rossshand4385 I think every boy wants his father’s approval. It’s like an unspoken rite of passage.

[@shameronstar7220]

@@rossshand4385 but after this he definitely hate his father. Such a shame

[@trevorthetherapist4200]

The only answer when your wife wants to experiment romantically with a woman is to tell her you would like to experiment with divorce and stop talking to her.

[@joas3324]

He initiated it not her...

[@trevorthetherapist4200]

@@joas3324 😂😂😂Do you think I am stupid? Women have a way of initiating things and making you THINK it was your idea. She’s the one who is a lesbian and leaving her husband for a woman. How was that his idea?

[@joas3324]

@@trevorthetherapist4200 Idi*t i know this case,this is an old case,he initiated it.Dr.Grande didnt do his research

[@deogsi1045]

@@trevorthetherapist4200 who asked

[@GhostofMrsMuir1443]

@@joas3324 I think that’s not true. She came to him with a request to fool around with a woman from her workplace.

[@KoolT]

He just looks scary

[@lisamoag6548]

yup

[@DewberryCream]

beau she kill her family that's why lol scary 😂

[@deborahwinter5018]

So true!

[@PlanesKiwi]

But you can't judge a book by its cover. There are plenty of so-called 'scary villain' looking people who have hearts of gold, and kindly gentle looking people who are totally evil.

[@PlanesKiwi]

P.s. I feel sorry for the people who are actually good & kindly but who had the bad luck to be born with a face that has a stereotypical 'villain' appearance (low set brows, deep set eyes and large angular pointy nose). Hollywood has a LOT to answer for in perpetuating those stereotypes!

[@colettithekid]

When Grande said she found work as a personal trainer, I knew this could only end in family annihilation.

[@HighOctane-wo6cm]

Lol yes…. There does seem to be a high divorce rate among the people that identify as personal trainers ?

[@IRidez]

Ahaha right !

[@Tom-sj3vn]

That’s always the way it goes 😭

[@josephreilly6328]

Dance instructor also high on list of careers rife with trouble.

[@Ad-Lo]

😂😂😂

[@anonymousstrangeness7348]

Excellent video, Doctor Grande - This case has complex motives and layers of weirdness, but I think your analysis unravels the story clearly and completely. Very well done, and much appreciated ☺👍

[@Cheekybanana]

Regardless of what the wife did this is more about him than her. Many people lose their partners, get cheated on, feel betrayed etc. 45% of marriages end in divorce. They don’t murder their own families as a result.

[@amandafey]

That number is much, much higher, actually. More like 75-80%.

[@errinemcgrew7649]

Yes…this video/analysis has a very odd undertone where it seemed like Dr. Grande was victim blaming

[@nkwhite]

​@@errinemcgrew7649I see no victim blaming, at all. It's just a basic fact that how you treat people has consequences. Antagonizing a narcissist had it's own. She didnt make him do anything, but what she did do in public, at a party, had an impact. You can't ignore the whole of contributing factors just because he's warped. Plenty of people have married psychopaths and lived. Their problems are no excuse not to be reasonably careful with their feelings

[@blacopsassassin2771]

You do that when your a ticking time bomb... the wife already stated she was afraid for her safety that's why she met him at a different spot to pick her son up .. then you have the girlfriend sending him texts antagonizing him, and the flirting at the party with her,,😬 that's just asking for some real trouble,, to me

[@PortCityBalrog]

​@@amandafeysoon it will be even higher. I think the whole concept of maraige is going to be modified to set amount of years eventually and will operate like a binding contract for two people to remain faithful for maybe 5 or 10 years and the first person that can prove the others infidelity is awarded 100% of the combined assets and custody of the children or something like that. The only way to ensure 90% of marriages don't fail like its headed now is to have an devastating result for the first person that can be proven to have violated the contract (which is going to get more and more easy to prove as our technology evolves into us having no privacy ever). I think in 40 years this comment is gonna age quite well 😂

[@rodrickweir]

I'm surprised Kraig didn't hunt down and murder Sunny.

[@yogaqueen1527]

Me too. I'm shocked.

[@nhmooytis7058]

Maybe he intended to but got caught first?

[@bernecomp]

So much needless pain. I hope the surviving family is getting adequate help.

[@sdsurfgirl60]

What family?

[@bernecomp]

@@sdsurfgirl60 Two surviving siblings and anyone else harmed.

[@marych3425]

I lived in Columbia, Missouri. It was a huge shock for us, although this guy was several bubbles off center even before this happened.

[@khyatiroy516]

How though? Just curious as to what signs he gave off ...

[@marych3425]

@@khyatiroy516 He was the director of water and light in our town. That's a pretty big job, and it was a big deal when he was hired.. But he only lasted about a year before he started acting bizarrely, talking incessantly about his marital problems. His staff was aware of his wife's lesbian relationship, which was a little odd for someone at that high level.

[@dreamcore]

​@@marych3425so he _wasn't_ observed to be off before this happened

[@trfaison]

Sounds like this affair drove him crazy.

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

@@trfaisonthat’s just who he is. Affair didn’t drive him crazy. He is just sociopathic.

[@roser1760]

People cheat (unfortunately) and split up all the time. It takes a real narcissist to use your spouse’s infidelity as an excuse to off your own daughters. Rot in hell, dude.

[@The-Finisher]

X a bizzlion

[@jaxsazerac4904]

Why? He doesn't need them to carry on his name.

[@vedaventer7800]

Nope! Dont put yourself on same par as the murderer

[@sinbadsailor1963]

She destroyed their marriage and his career.

[@lakeozarkrei3767]

​@sinbadsailor1963 So you're not one of those people that believe in personal responsibility... got it👍

[@Air_Serpent]

People in the comments blaming the victim. Disgusting. Cheating is bad but it's not worth getting killed, much less having an innocent daughter murdered.

[@errinemcgrew7649]

Not just in the comments Dr. Grande was victim blaming as well

[@Air_Serpent]

@@errinemcgrew7649 yeah that bothered me as well, but he mostly judged the mistress for breaking a marriage. The comments just pushed more hate on the wife.

[@khrystal718]

It’s disgusting saying it would be different if sunny didn’t provoke him as if he wasn’t controlling with sex and money before the affair

[@bunnymad5049]

He shot his ex-wife IN FRONT of the son? I know this was a mess, but, dude! Smiling in court ... she was far from perfect, but she was dealing with someone with some kind of disorder. No one was innocent here, but wow. He's happy about this? I didn't like the look in his eyes. How horribly sad. I hope Sean is doing ok. My comment's all over the place. Was commenting and then things would come to light. lol Thanks, Dr G.

[@nhmooytis7058]

His DISORDER is called EVIL.

[@bunnymad5049]

@@nhmooytis7058 Show me in the DSM5 where that is a diagnosis. 🙂

[@PortCityBalrog]

All it takes is just one bad day to make even the best man crumble to bits. Or at least that's what joker said in that one fictional comic decades ago...

[@crazychase98]

He was probably at peace. Got so messed up being married to her. We was at peace

[@rayross997]

Happy 4th of July to all Americans. Could you speculate on the recent trial of Scot Peterson? Thanks Dr. Grande.

[@ariellenathanson1640]

I think he would've still killed Karen if she tried to leave him. It doesn't matter that sunny poked the bear. As soon as Karen said this is over I'm leaving you for a woman she would be dead. Especially since he targeted all the girls this was a deep hatred of women and and idea that they were worthless.

[@gerry2345]

@ariellenathanson1640... I think your wrong. This was Not a deep hatred of women.....because he married a woman.. He targeted all the girls because all the girls were in the same Boat.. A bit like Guys being Guys.

[@prisonmike3856]

And of course you base that on absolutely nothing. Women ☕️

[@lalathebarbieee]

@@prisonmike3856another HEmotional man, don’t follow in Kraigturd’s footsteps prison Mike🤣🤣🤣

[@LinaK786]

@@prisonmike3856 He murdered 4 women. Only one of them cheated on him. There also are countless story of women being murdered after they dare to leave. Or even when the husband decides to leave - Chris Watts, for example - he cheated and he murdered his wife and their kids.

[@deescott8312]

Agreed

[@tod3msn]

Tragic. The fragility of the human psyche.

[@metsrus]

True. The human species is doomed and nobody will miss us. I, for one, will be welcoming our new AI overlords with open arms, the sooner the better. We have been given intelligence but can't overcome the primordial instinct of the self serving ego. Perhaps, our greatest achievement will be passing and relinquishing intelligence to a higher form of existence in AI, one that is not so regulated by negative emotions and pettiness. The most dangerous combination in all creatures is a mix of intelligence and emotions, it can produce such great beauty and love, but also capable of heinous atrocities and suffering.

[@a.evelyn5498]

More like the fragility of this man’s ego.

[@Kat-tr2ig]

The fragility of men and their ego

[@a.evelyn5498]

@metsrus I agree that we are doomed as a species & I embrace the end of humanity so that the earth can hopefully heal with our mass departure. We are a pest to the earth & we are our own pesticide. Humans will always be foolish, & I strongly believe we will snuff ourselves out if nature doesn’t do it first with climate change. I say good riddance. I do hope that AI doesn’t advance enough to exist on its own before that as I want the natural world to simply to return to itself as close as possible before our entrance onto the planet at least insofar as humankind in the more modern sense- not to say Modernism & since (as in with industrialization & such but the Anthropocene in general, which began the moment we started crossing continents & colonizing others). It’s the least we can do to exit the planet before we do it (even more) irreparable damage. We’ll be snuffed out someday at least & that will be a happy day. I feel no shame saying this as mankind will have done it to itself. It’s the foolishness & selfishness of people that is at fault, as well as people’s utter inability to either see these traits or to honestly recognize them as truth.- Again that’s the selfishness. So here’s to the apocalypse!

[@meritorioustechnate9455]

@@metsrusHumans will merge with ai. I’m going with the panspermia theory. We can’t even survive on this planet without simple technology like fire💀

[@Harry_Stylus]

Some people's sanity really is just being held together by a thread. This makes me think of the snow shovel murders. Someone is pushed over the edge and does something unspeakably cruel. A good lesson from these cases is just don't antagonize people. Don't involve yourself in their business, and respect their happiness. You never know how someone will react.

[@steve10]

I think having an affair tipped him over the edge , flirting in front of everyone with her lesbian lover is almost like poking a bear , if she knows what he is like then why humiliate him , if she was so unhappy why not ask for a divorce , why have your cake and eat it , seems she wasn't as nice as people think just because she was killed , did she deserve to be killed , of course not , but her actions put her and her kids in danger and the worse thing possible ultimately happened. Had she divorced him and then found love with someone else , he might still have done it , but at least it wasn't through her playing with fire.

[@shaunely63]

Never assume that the person you've just met is joking. These are some of the words that I live by. People you meet may think that you're humourless at first, but in the long run it helps a lot.

[@pamelapamper]

​​​ she was probably the dominant one in the relationship while they were together (I mean she obviously didn't fear him if she humiliated him like that in front of ppl) so he probably was depressed and had low self esteem (and some mental disorder) and the divorce + humiliation was the ultimate emasculation so he felt doing this massacre was the only way to regain his self respect , hence why he only killed the females.

[@ajnasreddin]

@@ekl2947 I don't think the OP is blaming the victims. I think he's just making the point that some people seem very reasonable and normal, and you just don't know how close they are to the edge until it's too late.

[@williamsherman1089]

​@@ekl2947don't put yourself in other people's business is a sure way not to instigate problems in other people's business

[@vidkidz83]

I doubt this was the first time dad had been violent

[@nhmooytis7058]

It wasn’t.

[@jokesonyou1373]

Objection your honour!!! Speculation

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@jokesonyou1373 not in court just a YT comment section 😉

[@hhealy7199]

Way to ruin a joke.

[@nhmooytis7058]

@@hhealy7199 note the wink emoji.

[@didamnesia3575]

Stalking on Sunshine sounds like a quentin taratino chapter in his movies

[@mrwilliamwonder]

time to feel good ya!

[@rodolfoerdogan4983]

If she wanted tuna salad, she shouldn't have asked for sausage!

[@crazychase98]

Especially 20 years after the fact an 4 kids in

[@president-electfreddy-krue3866]

it's very common for lesbo women to attempt breaking up straight relationships. That's why James should've dusted her off instead of his daughters.

[@chuckbuckbobuck]

Funny. Guess she wanted the Tuna with a little Sunny D--RR!

[@sshii]

Then he shouldn’t have agreed. 😂

[@JDHart]

Ain’t no sunshine when she’s gone. Brilliant analysis Dr. Grande!

[@drivenmad7676]

It's not warm when she's away.

[@Katie-vy5rd]

I know!

[@JDHart]

@@drivenmad7676 👍🏻

[@matthew.m.stevick]

And she's always gone too long

[@JDHart]

@@matthew.m.stevick 👍🏻

[@tasha3757]

7:09 Ergh. That creepy smile on his mugshot. How can a parent kill his OWN children! I understand he was upset with his wife (still no excuse to kill), but the children had nothing to do with the mum's affair.

[@tonytandtherevengeofthecru9108]

There is a longer video on this case. Where it says that only his son was seeing him. And he felt like his daughters had turned against him. Or something to that degree.

[@tasha3757]

@@tonytandtherevengeofthecru9108 Interesting!….

[@davidgreen5099]

I know you're not supposed to judge based on looks, but that dead expression on his face just screams socio/psychopath.

[@swhitson9633]

That poor little boy was doing something wholesome with his mom then had to watch her get murdered (along with the rest if his family). I have a son that age who collects coins so that moment in the story made me feel sick. Hes going to be traumatized for life because of that evil man. I can't believe he even shot his own daughters, he must hate women.

[@roser1760]

Agreed. He hates women more than he loves his son. I hope that poor boy gets a lot of love from family and friends - he needs it.

[@GGiblet]

That was my take on it too, he was wiping out all the women because of his rage and frustration.

[@theViomax]

@@GGiblet No he wiped out all the women because they did exactly what all of you broads are illustrating here. Huddling together. Neutrality be damned.

[@Doris1888]

@@theViomax How do you know what his daughters were thinking? Are you blaming them for their father murdering them?

[@GGiblet]

@@theViomax I'm not sure what's going on with you but I hope you feel better soon 🌻

[@eddieds312]

Spoiler alert lots of SOLAR jokes

[@De_Nome]

It is the worst idea possible to have your current lover meet your EX after a few years practically sending a message that you are better than you were before and especially when your EX is a very narcissistic person that is most likely capable of vengeance. I am so sad for the two beautiful and young girls that had all their life ahead of them.

[@billmartins5545]

Can't say I feel sorry for the wife. She should've gotten out of the marriage if she no longer wanted to be with Craig. Maybe she was happy to live on that $180k salary that Craig brought home....

[@lalathebarbieee]

That nut job was penny pinching😂 no more $180k salary in prison! He ruined his own life

[@wildchild1542]

I watched 2 other videos on this case and i must say some details were left out here. First of all allegedly Karen was being mentally, physically and financially abused most of her married life (Dr Grande mentioned an allowance and sex at certain hours of the day, there were also certain things like serving him food and a 9pm curfew fpr Karen). She also got a job as a coach when she couldnt tolerate the financial abuse (a guy makes 6 figures and yet asks for receipts for any purchase..?). Also allegedly Sunny and her met at the gym and were romantically involved long before the “sexual experiment idea”. They were a couple but Karen was afraid to leave her husband and for all the right reasons too. It’s a classic story of an abuser losing his s**t when his “property” decides to walk out on him. Narcissistic and sociopathic traits are evident. He regrets nothing. 4 lives were lost.. And a little boy who’s all alone in the world now. What a shame.

[@martahahn8379]

Agree! Thank you for the details about their marriage. It appears the husband was very controlling and abusive. This man also appeared fragile and desperate, probably holding it together by skin of his teeth for his whole life. Still, there is no excuse for his abuse. Leaving him would be hard, but leaving him for another partner is lighting the fuse. Neither parent was thinking about the children. That Sunny lady, with her selfish and manipulative ways, is also responsible for the consequences in this heartbreaking case.

[@kentkatchem]

Never underestimate.. the predictability...of Cheating...

[@thepolitewierdo]

Why are people surprised when an abusive husband snaps when his wife flaunts her affair? When does that ever end well? This was always the inevitable conclusion, it happens time and time again.

[@aratneerg3699]

​@@thepolitewierdoits not a suprise at all. Its very sad.

[@thepolitewierdo]

@@aratneerg3699 You’re right. And it’s heartbreaking that a young boy is now left without his family and he’s the one who has to deal with the awful consequences.

[@billphilips8522]

Ive known 2 guys that lost their wife to another woman.....that can really fuck you up.

[@hughtrotman2212]

Craig was curious but that curiosity might have been the downfall of the marriage. Karen and Sunny fell in love with each other to the point where Craig decided to kill everyone. If Craig was trying to put his marriage back together but it wasn’t working the best thing he should’ve done was leave. I know it’s hard I know it’s difficult but it’s better than the alternative of just killing everyone

[@MM-hf6om]

My ex tried that bs. I told her listen if you want out just leave. I'm not for this monkey branching bs . She begged to stay but I knew that was only because she wanted a new partner to go with before she left. It was the beginning of the end for us and good riddance

[@empressannjam1]

You never walked in his shoe. People shouldnt blatantly hurt each other in this terrible way, wife messed up the entire family, a person can bear so much and no more

[@hughtrotman2212]

@@empressannjam1 I see what you mean when you say this. He could only take so much before he snapped, I understand what you mean but at the end of the day it’s about whether it’s about the justice system sees it his way

[@matthewscott4629]

​@@MM-hf6om🎤

[@squid_party8810]

@@empressannjam1 100% agree with this. People can only take so much.

[@LiddlestLady]

yes, i love it when you really do a comprehensive deep dive on the entirety of the personality factors at play and can really show how they impacted him in the past, at the time of the crime, presently, and even in the future. excellent breakdown of this one dr g

[@ralpherl5657]

You're super cute btw

[@michelleschweizer9000]

“Trail mix fueled escape adventure “! 😂😂too much!