Brand New TRANE System Not Cooling

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[@jacobfoxworth]

I think Ted had mentioned in a past video that he has started proactively replacing contactors in every system he sells for that very reason. Trane started cheaping out on contactors and he was noticing a high failure rate with oem contactors. Anyway, good job man. Have a good day.

[@natepeterson7145]

Yes he does. I've ran into a few contactors bad on Trane but not like Ted says they seem to go out quicker in the southern hotter temps.

[@95thousandroses]

Yep, I was about to comment the same thing.

[@renecuevas4128]

We are doing that any Chinese Contactor or Run Caps they out

[@bobboscarato1313]

@@natepeterson7145 I think that's down south we run a/c systems longer!

[@bobboscarato1313]

@@renecuevas4128 Best way to be proactive and protect your reputation; I think TRANE should reimburse the dealers for the time and expense of their shortcomings.-

[@gregohrmund7197]

Thank you as a tech who didn’t know that screw-to-lug connection tip 🙌

[@Christopher-li7uc]

Ive had a tech id for generac for 12 years and like ot or not they are still the best in my book . We also are a cummins and briggs dealer as well

[@droneworks6340]

Generac Generators sux. I would never ever own one.

[@sknight0391]

You know whenever you find one of those Homer contactors bad you have to say......D'oh !!!!!!! 😎👍

[@williamserver4332]

Great tip . I have been cutting those connectors off for years and stripping back to bare wire. Your way is much easier.

[@nilolee2426]

I still have my 31/2 ton trane unit 1995 and still working great, I just replaced the capacitor for maintenance only, still have the original as spare just in case.great unit

[@toddwhaley77]

Still have 1 of my 1986 Trane weathertron. Sales kills those units.

[@bobboscarato1313]

@@toddwhaley77 Hope you live longer than that unit so you can get the replacement sale! lol.

[@Austin23191]

Trane I definitely better than york and lennox. I replaced a blower motor in a trane s9v2 (2 stage 90% furnace) and it was so much easier than I thought it would be John. The housing is plastic but the motor bracket holds the mounting legs in place. Only thing for you to adjust is where the band sits on the motor

[@pharoahmonk50]

Good repair video!

[@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity]

ALWAYS turn off low voltage before changing contactors. Less fuses/transformers blown that way.

[@acrservicesmathewr7565]

Or turn thermostat to off. No 24volts to contactor. Or pull wires off and tape them up. A few ways to avoid shorting it out

[@jt7284]

Electrical tape on terminal ends. Save yourself a trip to the t-stat

[@danwittels5542]

Two year old Trane with a tail gate warranty off the tracks! Good job John.

[@ericmichaud3331]

The lug idea is a great tech tip!! Thanks

[@dan8220]

Ive had 2 generac’s over the last 12 years. No issues here. Had a 14 kw then upgraded to 22kw. Flawless operation. Only generator manufacturer that has huge amounts of parts available and wide variety of tech compared to limited Kohler or Cummings techs. Only way to go in my opinion. The past generator has problems but the newer models is far more reliable.

[@URBANAMERICANTAC]

Generacs are ok. What happens is, these home owners get these things, Never have the maintenance done on them and then cry when the thing locks itself out on safety. They should really be serviced yearly but customers can do it themselves.

[@mariomendieta8036]

Thanks for mentioning very important information about wiring stripping the ends completely……any information u can mention is important even if the pros know……..there’s tech people that may or may not know…..Information is always important and always learning thru out life…..ur doing a very good job.

[@Popsicle17-gtag]

The Klein 8 n 1 is a must.. great video brother 💯

[@joep4143]

That Klein slide screwdriver is great unless you need it in a tight spot. It’s too thick.

[@droneworks6340]

I prefer the 10 n 1

[@lonniebearden5567]

You can just take the flat head lug out behind it there's a Phillips head screw take that out then take the 5/16 screws out from the old contactor and they thread right into the Phillips head screw holes on the new contactor takes like maybe three minutes and much better contact due to enhanced surface area

[@renecuevas4128]

So true

[@joeshearer1247]

Not all of the lug contactor have that screw

[@CSimmons88]

I have the same trane xr17. About 8 months old and has been worked on a dozen times. Frost board in winter, now in summer the entire coil (condenser outside) had to be replaced due to bad leaks on it. While waiting weeks on the coil to come in, the installers had to come out every Friday and recharge the 410 or it would stop cooling.

[@gelr2228]

🤦‍♂️

[@bobboscarato1313]

C make sure EPA don't get on your pocket and fine you! If equipment doesn't hold for at least 5 years, product maker should be responsible for costs incurred by the dealers!

[@bills6946]

For a residential back up generator, go with Kohler. Generac now has too many “foreign” made parts.

[@ddcws1]

The Generac modules have about a 10 min delay once you pull power. Just found out this today when changing out and ERM. I keep turning breaker off and on resetting the Generac and restarting power shed. Love the 8n1 my favorite tool in my bag.

[@Cocoa887]

Gotta love all the manufacturers going to cheap parts leading to premature failures.

[@HEMI345S]

My Trane XR 13 SEER went out last week after only 13 years due to a leaking condenser, here in SE Michigan. What a piece of krap !

[@DS-fb9te]

Mine went out 7 months ago new. Very disappointed

[@RhinoXpress]

I just got a comfortmaker ac unit and love it.

[@tkgotwings_6401]

John before I even watched the video my guess was a bad contactor for the exact reason... 240 coming in and nothing going out while pulled in. Been seeing it very often on newer Tranes.

[@dylandrymond3951]

Thanks John. Well done.

[@timothywalch7102]

Rule of thumb all wire nuts you have the bell down that way any water would get into it they can't corrode the contact

[@BHryhoruk]

Im glad Trane didn't return my calls when I needed a new A/C and furnace for my home! Im better with the Armana.

[@bobboscarato1313]

Amana is having lots of problems with their products as well; just cross your fingers! I truly believe American industry is in a steep decline farming manufacturing to other countries!

[@timothywalch7102]

With that lose connection in your box from the generac interrupt that would have caused excessive amount of current on startup on that contactor which would have burnt points on the contractor

[@joeshearer1247]

No

[@brocklambert8417]

Some carrier units were using those homer contactors as well

[@onenikkione]

I've got a newer Trane system. I will have to look at being proactive and replacing the contactor & cap.

[@renecuevas4128]

Yup. We doing that. Made in China no good

[@scotts4125]

Actually what you heard was backwards. The older Generacs had a lot of issues. They seem to have solved them. I have this exact same model and did a lot of research before I bought it. Someone made a comment about servicing them. I have mine monitored (cellular) by the company that installed it and it's on a service contract. Could I service it myself? Sure but I am in So. Fl. where we get hurricanes. $500 a year gives me peace of mind. I have been without power close to 2 weeks after Wilma. I also lived through Andrew. This can control my entire house as if I had power from the utility. I'm a night owl I was up at 2am getting ready for bed. Lights went off within 30 seconds they came back on the gen was running. I was only on for maybe 10 minutes before power was restored.

[@thanthienloi7601]

Hi Trane, my home A/C is 2 Year old, and running normal until 12 PM. Didn't blowing air, the A/C still running and the fan working. I check all the central air blowing out for each room, "None" no air out. Some thing wrong ? What do I can do? Please help!!!!

[@davids858]

You’re a nice guy :)

[@tonyrhoton6613]

Like the way u talk tell it like it is.

[@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity]

My Honeywell (Generac) 10kW LP has been running great for the last six months. I'll let you know if I have any problems. Just like with HVAC, proper maintenance and professional installation are very important. Install a MicroAir soft start kit and it will not be so hard on generator, compressor, capacitors, breakers, wiring connections, etc.

[@dan8220]

Yup, I put a soft start on my 2.5 ton Heat pump and the generator don’t even flinch when it kicks on.

[@tbbaot]

Great job done right!

[@lancelawrence3259]

Nice work

[@Eddy63]

Good vid and good info ... Thx ...

[@walterrifle2725]

You sure are a lot faster than old Ted Cook! Lol

[@johnnycrawford4302]

Thank you, from a non-super tech.

[@tomsemer7441]

Your Klein multi tool you were using for wiring might have a 5/16 nut driver in it with smaller OD for closer spaces. Just not magnetic.

[@jeffreyjohn2037]

I always carry the long Klein nut drivers for situations like that.

[@rb34life6]

Should always shut off air handler breaker or from Thermostat to prevent a possible blown low voltage fuse or burn out secondary voltage transformer. Don’t want to short out low voltage side.

[@rubenp8750]

Trane even went to no name china condenser fan motors too.

[@CMN843HVAC]

You knew the generac doesn’t come on for at least 1 hour😂😂😂 and the one thing about locking caps when it comes to Trane is that you can go through the side of the unit for true suction and discharge. So what’s the point. Great vid man been working for n TRANE since last year and they get more easier. … how do you feel about the TAM 10 air handlers coming without the CDA like the 7 but thermostats can connect to an app😂😂😂😂

[@adamcraig1568]

Good video

[@adampajcz8719]

I had them bad on installation and one kept me going back numerous times before i found the contactor coil was not engaging.

[@theking43605]

man I have been getting a lot of bad contactors in a system only a couple months old. We use mostly Armstrong.

[@grumpybear123]

I wonder if this is what's wrong with mine. It is only a year old.

[@makinbac0n]

As a technician who has served many trades. I can say with certainty most products made in the modern age are of the lowest quality ever. The corporate motto is "How cheap can we build it" in order to maximize profits. Even stuff made in the US isn't any better if at all. Is that all R&D departments do anymore, find ways to make it cheaper? They can save 10 cents by using a crappy contactor that will run at 99% capacity so it fails sooner than one that would be operating with headroom. But that won't save them 10 cents per unit. Too bad we don't see those savings.

[@John-vh1fk]

I’d take a bad contactor any day over my crappy 5 year old Armstrong unit (builder provided) already needing a new evaporator coil. Me and my 2 neighbors on both sides are waiting 3 weeks for a new coil.

[@Empty7775]

Was that contactor covered under warranty?

[@tjjoseph333]

Super Tech Flex? No way!

[@Freonleon]

I had a year old rheem contactor shorted.

[@Silky_boi]

Tell you what I am a Trane guy, I install Trane on almost the daily, but I hate their ugly greenish color on their units.

[@bobboscarato1313]

They used to paint them gray and it was OK; I guess they want to match the environment!

[@Demy26]

Trane 🙌🏼

[@steveblake8766]

104 thumbs ups

[@Sesamestreet9080]

Had a ICP contactor low voltage side bad from the factory. It kept blew my fuse

[@scrambler350]

I hate the chicken$h1t, OEM, 30amp contactors that come on Carrier/Bryant/Payne condensing units...especially the screw/square washer that is supposed to hold the wire down. The lug-style 40amp, 2-pole contactors are so much better and easier to land the hi-voltage on. Clipping the rings off for the 'lug style' terminals and re-using the crimp as a ferrule is the way to go - you get a much better bite and connection VS the bare-stranded end.

[@scottk0623]

Generaac most definitely isn’t the way to go. Koehler has the edge by far.

[@jmc6000]

Kohler is junk

[@ericmeyer4583]

The Chinese lie about specs! No gold on the relay contacts. Its becoming rather common among relays in general

[@juanantoniog5875]

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[@davidschwartz5127]

It does not have a replaceable coil in that contactor?

[@bobboscarato1313]

Usually you find replaceable coils in large 3 pole contactors in the 75 to 100 Amp range! The coils are offered in 24 volts,, 220, 277.-

[@davidschwartz5127]

@@bobboscarato1313 Come on Bob that's BS, I was an Industrial Electrician for 23 years and reached the Master Electrician level before I changed careers I've seen replaceable coils in single pole contactors.

[@bobboscarato1313]

@@davidschwartz5127 Dave I was in home/commercial HVAC for 60 years and never say those single pole deals ever!!!

[@labsub]

Don't use your fingers. Always push/pull the lugs w/pliers. You'll thank me one day.

[@apctech1]

were was the screw that holds in the disconnect cover plate in place?

[@johnisraelhvac2019]

This disconnect doesn’t have that. It snaps in place. Know your facts before you make assumptions

[@apctech1]

@@johnisraelhvac2019 i see a screw hole is why i said it can the attatude and be a nicer guy john :)

[@jeffreyjohn2037]

That looks like a G E disconnect. No screw hole. Just a dimple on the cover.

[@apctech1]

@@jeffreyjohn2037 even worse all covers should have a screw hole and screw in it i put one in when its safe to do so ie no wires in the way etc

[@HNIC86]

Trane is an awesome 😎💯🎯 unit.

[@cruzhvac4551]

Part should be covered under trane warranty If it was registered properly. I've changed many of those contactors and capacitors. The XR line is the more lower end stuff.

[@brucecrutchfield3473]

Yes but what’s the point? They’d just give you the same junk lol.

[@cruzhvac4551]

@@brucecrutchfield3473 we use our own truck stock capacitors and contactors. Yea your right tho any parts now adays aren't the greatest anyways.

[@rdw2979]

$8800 for consumers. Insane. I've had 6 repairs in 2 years.

[@jeff8846]

So brand new is a 2020 in 2022?

[@johnisraelhvac2019]

Dude shut up and go kick rocks

[@natepeterson7145]

I don't understand why some techs don't like Trane, I'd rather work on Trane than a Xfinity system any day.

[@Mapdotgolf]

Cause they crazy, trane is better then everybody expect Bosh. Then after that I like the rheems

[@bobboscarato1313]

Maybe they couldn't get an account; Carrier at one time was very selective and would allow you to buy one of their second tier brands like Day and Night, Bryant, etc.

[@samsquires2877]

@@Mapdotgolfrheem is better the trane and bosch both especially their furnaces.

[@FredD63]

I use WAGO connectors instead of wire nuts

[@samsquires2877]

Those are worse then wire nuts. I’m a service electrician and replace waggos all the time. Hacks use waggos.

[@FredD63]

@@samsquires2877 I have had no problems with them and I haven’t heard of anyone having problems

[@D4x4Bronc]

what is a direct state to trane mean?

[@johnisraelhvac2019]

Like they don’t have a distributor they buy their equipment directly from Trane

[@bvsnook]

Bug?

[@jeffreyjohn2037]

Only one time in my career, I found a hard shell beetle caught in a contactor. Extracted it, coil had a good ohms reading, contacts looked good. Restarted and ran great.

[@bobboscarato1313]

@@jeffreyjohn2037 You must have had a very short career like 6 weeks? Contactors go bad mostly due to fire ants which love those contact points and when they get squashed release their acid pitting the points which may get "welded" together and burn out the compressor! I've seen that quite a few times over the years!

[@arrowrod]

You're there. Why didn't you replace the Chinese capacitor with Murican? If the capacitor fails in the next couple of months, the customer will call you back for a "free" fix.

[@joeshearer1247]

That’s not how it works

[@arthurdeguzman6124]

Isnt it 5tons (60/12 = 5)?

[@johnisraelhvac2019]

Model number 4TTR6048 that’s a 16 SEER 4 ton

[@muniznick]

Speaking of Nest t-stats I think they are the D-bags of t-stats and I don't mean dirt bags.

[@scotts4125]

Ecobee all the way.

[@joep4143]

I installed hundreds of Nest. I’m waiting for one to fail or cause problems. So far they’re holding well. In five years I had ONE fail. Installer error????

[@bobboscarato1313]

Nest t-stats are promoted by my utility. Bad business and way overpriced!

[@DavidRamirez-dg6dk]

How do you know that is a 16 seer?

[@johnisraelhvac2019]

Cause it’s in the model number duh

[@toddwhaley77]

Have had those load boxes melt itself and the disco from loose connections. Annoying.

[@jesseholbrook9534]

sorry veriblble speed furnace control board .......mam that will be 1200 no warranty call trane for warranty service... wow

[@toetagsbodybags]

do about 10 a year junk contactors

[@user-su5ft8lc9q]

I thought IT'S HARD TO STOP A TRANE, I GUESS NOT, NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER BRANDS JUST MORE MONEY.

[@bretwalley4673]

a disconnect is not a junction box.

[@jeffreyjohn2037]

There's room for what's needed.

[@sentryfe74]

Maybe ants got in it.

[@DoeyPP]

Most likely the installer

[@Hawkins1]

Their whole home surge protector is at the bottom of the panel. Not doing as much good there

[@natepeterson7145]

How in the world does a service guy leave a wire nut that loose, plus a 60 amp breaker that's a fire waiting to happen.

[@jeffreyjohn2037]

60 amp is for the air handler heat kits. Although that does seem like too much amps.

[@droneworks6340]

Why use wire nuts in the first place. Stop using junk. :)

[@bobboscarato1313]

Two reasons come to mind; one is ignorance, the other idiocy!

[@mrbugenhagen3364]

Sad that such an expensive brand with a "good" reputation chose to save 10 bucks on a part that could ruin it. By the way it sure seems to me that you should invest in a thicker kneepad since all that body padding is coming of :)

[@netzeroslots8685]

Nothing can stop the Trane,

[@stevee7774]

Except a crappy Chinese contactor, or an equally crappy Chinese capacitor.

[@samsquires2877]

Lots of things can stop a trane.

[@thowedmexx]

Why complain about a contactor or capacitor? Job security I don’t see this guy doing a free swap to the customers

[@Ikilledthebanks]

I got this same piece of crap trane. Nothing isn good like it used to be.

[@stevekamitsis1327]

I have a 3.5 ton AS unit 20 model as well, contactor went out on it as well, also these units trane and As have really cheap outside condenser fan motors made in China and these motors are rusting out very badly and trane will not replace them even though they are warranted for 10 years to all do not go with trane or AS units, I will never buy one of these units again high price units very cheap parts and poor customer support.

[@sinamor1000]

no to handy with tools.......or you need to buy quality tools!

[@samsquires2877]

Generac is garbage Kohler is the best.

[@mikem8563]

Made in china-ugh contactor

[@droneworks6340]

Can't believe people still use wire nuts... Losers LOL

[@samsquires2877]

Not really. Only hacks use waggos. I’m a service electrician and I replace waggos regularly.