GTA's Removed Cars, 1 Year Later - GTA 5 Discussion №83

Rockstar did a heist on their own players one year ago today. What's happened since?
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1:33 - Buying At The Car Meet
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9:41 - The Real Reasons
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[@broughy1322]

This video only presents stats across the first year (actually 366 days due to leap year) of vehicles being unavailable. It doesn't include the stats for today's weekly update, therefore I'll present some of them here for posterity. - The Akuma was finally made available for the second time, 329 days after its previous time. - The Akuma, Comet, and Seminole Frontier all became available for the second time since being removed, the GT500 for the third time, and the Cheetah, Comet SR, Michelli GT, and Torero for the fourth time each. - 3 vehicles have still been available five times since they were removed, with 15 four times, 37 three times, 40 twice, 27 once, and still 4 zero times. - Whichever of the 4 zero availability vehicles is made available last will destroy the total time unavailable record (currently still held by the Surano) and will likely keep that record forever since it will be longer than the likely year-long unavailability period between subsequent Independece Days of the Liberator & Sovereign. - Apart from the 4 zero availability vehicles and the Liberator & Sovereign, the next longest active streak is the Cognoscenti 55 which has been available one time 65 days after being removed and not since (previously this longest streak was the Akuma as mentioned in the video). Correction: Thanks to saturn580 for pointing out that the Baller LE Armored was available in early January. This had been mistakenly attributed to the regular Baller LE by the original source I used to track this at the time. Therefore there are only 3 vehicles that haven't been available since removed (Schafter LWB Armored, Daemon, and Faggio Sport) I'll continue to keep the new sheet on broughy.com/gta5vehicleinfo up to date each week so you can see how things progress from this point on. Perhaps I'll do a follow up video this time next year to see if anything has changed.

[@oli_gordon]

Are you going to keep track of this going in to the 2nd anniversary

[@NatureXwars]

To be somewhat fair on R*, the Comet, Surano & Seminole Frontier are all quite common client cars at the Auto Shop to be purchased. I would rather have them feature something else in the 8 show spots that aren't on the list of client cars. This also goes for the customer bikes at the Clubhouse.

[@broughy1322]

@@oli_gordonread the last sentence

[@broughy1322]

@@NatureXwars I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng (and effort) involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@NatureXwars]

Depends on how urgent each player want the cars & how much they value the property itself as a whole. Sure it can't replace being able to be bought from sites immediately, but atleast there's the chance & option to get it sooner than waiting for R* to cycle it through the 8 show spots. And I personally highly recommend the Auto Shop as one of the first properties to purchase in the game.

[@morgan.m3066]

I feel like they should’ve stopped the whole “this car is too hot to be modified” bs after they did this

[@anthonyk]

I know they need to get rid of that option and just make it to wear you can only get 100-200k for one if you want to sell it and make it where you can sell a "hot" vehicle every 1-2 weeks

[@carter2.005]

They should've

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

​@@anthonykhow about removing all mobile game clash of clans cooldowns from a game that I paid to be able to play

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

​@@anthonykwhile we're at it

[@1977TA]

Yeah, and also the restriction that prevents you from stealing certain high-end cars and storing them in your garage(s). A game called grand theft auto restricting what types of cars you are able to steal and keep is absurd.

[@zali9657]

They knew exactly what they were doing I got a bad feeling that GTA+ will ruin GTA 6

[@Reflecter16]

To be fair, as of now, even the car club (GTA+) doesn't do the removed cars justice in returning. It's just been bad for regular players and subscribers alike it seems. I don't justify GTA+ walls but I don't think it's going to ruin anything car wise. Seems to be random cosmetics, a little extra money and week early access to new releases.

[@sourlemon3337]

Idk why people are even excited for GTA6 Online, the story will most probably be amazing but the Online mode will just take all the bad stuff from this game that rockstar have learnt in recent years, it’s gonna be an awful experience

[@hkr667]

But you will buy GTA6 anyway so this has been a great choice by Rockstar. They can get at least trippel the amount of money out people so I hope they hurry up with that.

[@pogman15]

online may be behind a paywall after purchasing the base game, this may reduce cheating as piracy and dupe accounts should no longer be possible assuming the verification is not flawed. i dont want it, but i can see it.

[@S1lverArr0w]

No shit lol. Pretty obvious..

[@Tree1237PS]

I see no reason the Comet couldnt't stay on the Benny's website, his website has plenty of space

[@MarioKaiba]

What shocks me is that you can still find the Buffalo on the Arena Wars site, it spawns in traffic and you can get the Pisswasser version for free (which can be upgraded).

[@Focus-310]

Before the removal, the Benny’s website had all of the cars stacked in rows 3 wide, and now that the Comet is removed, there’s one “slot” where a car should be. It triggers me so much because there’s several rows of three cars and then at the bottom there is one row of two cars because they took out the Comet

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

​@@Focus-310goes to show it's not about having space on the websites

[@sr_echo]

Rockstar could do one of two funny yet incredibly stupid things at the end of gta online's life: 1. They just revert the removal of all of those cars as if nothing happened (or under the guise of "final dlc" content) 2. They completely forget to revert it, essentially locking out 160+ cars forever

[@VKED23]

You do know there will be a day the servers shut down and you lose everything right?

[@sr_echo]

@@VKED23 well yes, I meant more at the end of updates to online

[@MrRAGE-md5rj]

@@VKED23 What servers? It's "peer-to-peer", haha!

[@user-zv4jf8ag8p]

@@MrRAGE-md5rj Character profile data is saved at R servers

[@Ambera3407]

​@@VKED23by then we have long since transferred to gta 6.

[@thomassewell9602]

Rockstar hates car collectors

[@deangelostrachan1709]

If they had given us more spaces in time, when we asked. We could've already had many of these cars before Rockstar wiped them off the websites.

[@hughtravis]

Quite the opposite. If you’re a veteran, which I am, and a collector, which I am, this move made all of those cars rare and gave me a reason to check the dealerships every week and collect the rarities.

[@deangelostrachan1709]

@@hughtravis i had managed to collect a ton of cars just before the "Great Rockstar Car Wipe"...due to having a lot of in-game money and not having anything to spend it on. So I was just collecting and customizing cars but before Rockstar added additional garages like the Eclipse Garage or the new Vinewood Car Club Garage etc, deciding which cars to keep and which to part with was frustrating.

[@deangelostrachan1709]

@@hughtravis the same however can be said with the motorcycles and aircrafts...unfortunately I wasn't able to collect more motorcycles before many where removed because I wanted garage spots specifically for cars but I was asking for more storage space in the MC clubhouse and amongst players asking for more hangar space. Having to choose what can be saved in your hangar because of the limits placed by Rockstar.

[@drabhand]

About six months ago I decided to collect all the vehicles that can be modified which also pop up in transform races. I was missing about five and all of them had been wiped. It's kind of been fun waiting to see if they appear in Auto Shop or weekly updates.

[@WTR28]

Rockstar turning into such scumbags over the years has been so disheartening. Broughy is 100% right about what's going to come with gta 6. It's going to be so much worse...but the community doesn't care. They just accept whatever BS Rockstar dumps on them.

[@TheRealRedAce]

I WON'T accept it! I already think I'll end up giving GTA6 a miss. I'm sick of being messed about.

[@MrRAGE-md5rj]

@@TheRealRedAce Yeah, for real. Screw GTA 6. I hope it turns into a bigger flop than the "Saints Row" reboot.

[@maverick968]

@@MrRAGE-md5rjWell, it won’t, and will probably be the highest selling game of all time. Even if online is a shitshow, the story mode will be sublime and infinitely playable like RDR2.

[@nawtzs7792]

@@TheRealRedAcedon’t lie your buying it

[@TheRealRedAce]

@@MrRAGE-md5rj I'm not HOPING that, but I'm rather expecting it.

[@EDoyl]

They really shouldn't have removed any of the vehicles that appear in traffic. Those, at least, should have been retained. Because a new player might not know about the existence of, say, the Torero, so not getting one of their own shouldn't be too annoying as they don't know what they're missing. But they're going to know, say, the Feltzer because they're often driving it, and being told to buy it online when they can't is terrible.

[@ChristyOFaghan]

that intro scene showing the scale of loss had me realising a number of these are favourites i still pull out of the garage for racing or simply roaming around in something cool i was especially surprised to see the Blade on there, since i've casually been taking it in any pub Muscle Car race not realising nobody else even had the option - feel kinda bad for anyone who hasn't got it

[@mat_tamarin]

Funnily enough, it's about a year since I stopped playing, what a coincidence!

[@saturn580]

A minor correction, the Baller LE (Armored) was available to buy at Simeon's from January 4th-10th, 2024. Thanks for painstakingly compiling this data that confirms what we all felt in our guts. Removing these cars was BS and Rockstar should be ashamed.

[@broughy1322]

Right you are. The source I used originally had it written down as the non armoured LE. Will fix. Thanks!

[@edv7n]

This was the thing that finally killed the game for me. Thousands of hours logged, put up with so much bs (including starting from scratch), but this was the thing that made the game not worth playing anymore. It’s just sad seeing the state of this company.

[@edv7n]

@@rainiernqc I held out hope for so long that it would come to PC, the fact that some content was console exclusive was really annoying

[@Jesse-vc2xo]

You act like r* removed the cars from your garage or something, this didn’t make the game u playable

[@edv7n]

@@Jesse-vc2xo No, they didn’t remove the cars in my garages, but I liked playing the game with the intention of building collections of cars and sorting them in different garages. This update (along with keeping some content console exclusive) made that basically impossible. Even if you arn’t playing the game for the cars, you can’t deny that there was no reason for this change.

[@Jesse-vc2xo]

@@edv7n I play for the cars and I’ve been able to get most cars back via Simeon or friends at lscm or reddit etc. it’s made it kinda fun to “look” for certain cars and it’s super rewarding when you grab it

[@momo_f_awsome]

​@@edv7nthey did it so people would actually play together. The ls car meet is now extremely popular, and pubs are fuller. Mfs play an online game solo than whine when rockstar makes activities in an online game multi-player. Also this is more realistic, and everyone complains about the lack of realism.

[@NavGTI]

The problem to me still is how dense Rockstar was about it. The decision was made to 'streamline the website experience'. But that more means the website is flawed rather than the amount of cars being a problem. More up to date filters (class based or, get this, a search bar) would have fixed that problem. This is a classic gaming company move. You stop selling something, put it back on sale at some point and people will rush to spend their hard earned money on it because who knows when it'll be available again. It's textbook scum class game development. And annoyingly, if they would have been upfront about that, I wouldn't even have minded it all too much. But they kept up the facade about it 'streamlining' the website. The ability to purchase cars from other players is a godsend in this instance. Even though it does create a stream of modded vehicles into the market (personally I only used it to get an Asterope GZ with the suspension lowered as you can't do that using LSC). Only annoyance is that truly rare vehicles are banned from sale, such as the Lost Slamvan.

[@TheRealRedAce]

Basically, RS lied through their teeth about their "reasons".

[@BastiatC]

Heck, give the "manufacturers" their own sites

[@Reflecter16]

The bad thing is, most old cars still feel good. Race worthy, nice looking, and of course INEXPENSIVE. Within the Car Club you almost never get any old releases now but rather just newer cars or boring ass weaponized bikes and cars. Even if they had the Car Club cycled only removed cars it would need to rotate weekly, not monthly to even make the appeal of GTA+ worth trying at all. Hell, even that rotates some of the same vehicles in a different slot. It's all trash, but I have no doubt they just pile code on top of code so making the dream browsing experience for cars rather than removing them is not happening.

[@ole7762]

It's quite clear from the list of removed cars that they mainly targeted cars that simply are great value

[@Reflecter16]

Oh, no doubt about that. Some classics just wiped off the map that were honestly under $600K even.

[@evanjd_]

Well yeah they never increased the top speed. It's insane having a somewhat racing arcade game with a top speed of what 140ish? And taking out legacy cars like the Infernus that every GTA 4 player was thrilled came over is wild

[@dubl33_27]

@@evanjd_ ngl, i just want to be able to buy the bullet and infernus and i'd be happy

[@briancastro313]

​@@dubl33_27i bought an Infernus before the shitshow happened, luckily.

[@lfla0179]

The feature of selling your car on the car meet is available on PC now, apparently. I was not aware of that.

[@CarlDraper]

most of the time i play on my own so it's not much use

[@DiNmiTe]

Yep iirc it was added with the latest DLC

[@williamhaynes7089]

or just use external menu and it will unlock all the cars and you can buy them any time you want

[@VeilsideTofu]

@@williamhaynes7089Yeah and then get perma banned

[@shadowcitizen545]

Literally all they had to do was make a better website for them 😒

[@CopyrightPuppets]

Crazy to think its been an entire YEAR since rockstar removed all of these vehicles. 366 days ago we were all mislead into a scam full of FOMO which has affected how I and many others play this game. The state of this game and rockstar is embarrassing to say the least...

[@garchompy_1561]

its interesting because speaking to friends about this we have decided that this FOMO strategy hasnt worked, and not only has it not worked, its had the exact opposite effect. Even though the game is old and the endgame is a nothingness mess, we would always have that occasional urge to come back and just mess around in game (usually drive around in whatever cars) and that would always keep us going, but since they made these changes, I found myself immediately being stomped out because whatever vehicle I wanted to get just wasnt there. Picture that from R*s end, you make a change to encourage people to log on and spend money, but it somehow does the opposite, stopping people from getting the random urge to play and spending their money on the wierd cars they dont own already. Im not sure how they use that info other then trying to revert the damage done in 5 while still trying to save face while quietly not including it in gta 6. They tried to use FOMO with things like the annis 300R only being availible at launch for a limited time, that didnt work. They try this, it doesnt work. what will they try next? where will the slippery slope take us?

[@lfla0179]

Instead of putting a SEARCH feature, or the eyefind site actually working if you put a car name there, they did this...

[@James-cr8mt]

the new layout for legendary motorsport and SSASA is absolutely vile. its damn near impossible to find anything and there's only half the cars there used to be.

[@omgryannn]

@@James-cr8mtfr

[@satsumagt5284]

Why can’t you filter by manufacturer? We all do it IRL

[@TheOriginalEwan]

I know it’s been said many, _many_ times by multiple people but it can’t be said enough. The effort this guy puts in his videos is unbelievable.

[@Johnny362000]

​@poopurpoopit's hysterical that you're name-dropping (and mis-spelling) Dunning-Kruger while confidently demonstrating you don't know as much as you think you do

[@DoublesC]

This change had the most impact on how often I play gta online... Over the last year i have spent less and less time playing. I used to play every week, right now it has been more than a month since I bother to log-in...

[@quintbroeders2257]

Same here...

[@DepthFromAbove]

It’s a dead 10 year old game. It’s okay.

[@justexisting8457]

Now i feel lucky for having a garage full of faggios and a Faggio mod

[@TheRealRedAce]

I wouldn't go QUITE that far, but one of each is good!

[@Dirty4749]

Thanks for this info. Keep up the great work.

[@savionpalmer5073]

Wow this is so concise and detailed. Thank you for keeping track of this.

[@Rasa-Sama]

Genuinely impressed with the how in-depth and accurate your vides always are. This is was very interesting to watch. Great video

[@pedinhuh16]

To be fair, the majority of the community seems to have forgotten to talk and complain about this. It's safe to say that this will be norm from the start in GTA VI, with the online dealerships also having a rotating car inventory, and GTA+ kids having access to more cars at once. And we are just letting it happen.

[@TheFreeStateOfO]

The swinger spawns in my autoshop all the time. Too much..

[@TheRealRedAce]

Yes, the same few cars spawn over and over in the Autoshop.

[@TheFreeStateOfO]

@TheRealRedAce I wouldn't say the same cars all the time, but some spawn more often than others. I get the SC1 a lot as well. The Riata and the Hermes I've only had spawn a handful of times.

[@TheRealRedAce]

@@TheFreeStateOfO If your experience is like mine, you'll get a LOT more of both!

[@PaoMej]

With things like this, I have a feeling GTA 6 online experience is gonna have substantial crap. They'll probably ruin the grounded/"realistic" art direction as well with sci-fi and cringey additions as they did with 5.

[@elcavilldo3146]

This petty and un creative way to pad event weeks and monetise on old content was something the R* from the GTAIV years would gag in disgust. Rockstar Games as we knew it at the time GTAV launched ceased to exist years ago. GTAVI will let us know how R*-T2 operate for the first time, and it looks grim.

[@mirex-konex]

8:43 ♥

[@Buckacherz]

One Note that could be mentioned (as I was planning a video like this before you mentioned it on the discord) The Auto shop and Bike Shop service shops do have some vehicles that you are able to buy if they are brought in by a customer, the notable ones do include the Daemon, Surano, Faggio Mod and Comet which went along time without being available. However this does take time and some luck for them to pull up in your shops.

[@broughy1322]

I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng (and effort) involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@Buckacherz]

@@broughy1322 that is honestly a good point Like if someone really really wants a Damon bike I guess they can get one but you’re right that is very expensive for a mediocre bike

[@yoyoblabla]

You forgot about the autoshop client thing where you can buy cars (i got the comet from there and i saw the riata also) good vid btw.

[@DiNmiTe]

I don't think he did, it's just not relevant for the weekly event stuff

[@broughy1322]

I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@racerdemonvalkyrie4342]

@@broughy1322and only certain cars spawn in the auto shop anyways so yeah

[@madphilip12]

Okay thank God

[@carter2.005]

It angers me so much that they did this because there was so many cars that I really enjoy that I'd like to get for my second account

[@Tree1237PS]

You know, a great way to make up for some if the cars would be to allow us to buy the NPC cars that are parked in the carmeet

[@ogkspaz]

I completely agree with the better filters required on the sites and removing ones that can be stolen off the street.

[@PTDgroove]

Naive me thinking they removed the cars because they were working on a new website store so we don't have to scroll for 5 minutes to find a car. What a damn shame this whole thing is. It got to the point that I just wish they would jack all the car prices and re-add them to the store.

[@jackarmstrong7285]

If they did it correctly it could be cool. Such as exceptionally rare, classic, or unique cars. And having more interesting ways of finding them such as barnfinds similar to the weekly treasure hunts. But they haven’t done it correctly

[@funnyman2067]

This killed the whole game for me. I played to get cars for my garage and it was nice because I could just get whatever I felt like getting at the moment, but now you feel incredibly pressured to get the limited cars and that sucks the fun out of it for me. At least it pushed me into playing Gran Turismo instead I guess lol

[@ShoelessJP]

Putting that maths degree to good use I see. Great video.

[@Kalmdwn215]

The crazy thing is though, despite their reason of removing "lesser used vehicles" they continue to add them 🤔

[@robinheil]

I was wondering if you had been keeping track of all this nonsense. Thank you for working a full year to gather the data, so we could really see how it has all played out. It would've been nice to see a discussion on prices. Some of the re-introduced vehicles definitely had a price increase, though it wasn't astronomical.

[@broughy1322]

None of the removed vehicles came back at higher prices. It's always been the same as what they used to be on the sites (or less if they incorporate the discounts on those that week too)

[@oli_gordon]

​@@broughy1322well some of them did have liveries Rising the price of purchase

[@DiNmiTe]

​@@oli_gordonnope additional liveries have no influence on the initial purchase price

[@robinheil]

@@broughy1322 Oh, that's good to hear! I guess I always just assume the worst when it comes to Rockstar. Thanks for the reply.

[@LeroyGibson-rd6ib]

The fans still play GTAO anyway. They'll also buy GTA6 when it comes out and keep playing the online in that. Rockstar knows this. They know they have their fans by the balls. The only way to deal with that is just not play their games. Go play something else. So long as you keep participating in their ecosystem, they will keep being rewarded for their shady crap. Rockstar's fans don't have the spine and self control to do that. So things are are going to keep being the same.

[@Jesse-vc2xo]

If people won’t stand up to their governments what makes you think they will stand up to a game, it’s just a game bro and the real fans will have most of this stuff anyway. Real collectors have these cars and it created community bc now I can find people on reddit and help them get whatever they need. Its all good imo

[@maverick968]

Yeah find another company providing single player experiences like RDR2 and what GTA 6 will be and come back to me.

[@Kevin-eq1md]

I'm glad you're saying the Massacro Racecar is iconic and you said it twice! It's all bs. I don't know why they wanted to copy the Fortnite item shop model. It makes no sense to do with the vehicles. I don't think anyone feels fomo regarding cars. What if I wanted to buy idk, an Adder, and it wasn't available? Maybe I would've bought Shark Cards to get it. Then I wouldn't because the car I wanted isn't available. I don't get why they did this. Worst change they've made imo. Forget any grievance with the gameplay, this is just straight up removing a feature that should've never been removed. Hate them. I watch your videos more often than I play GTAO at this point.

[@ESPirits87]

It's great to keep this relevant because new players come in, they need to know what Rockstar is doing sometimes.

[@KevChaos86]

They could alleviate some of the annoyance of the availability of these removed cars if they would just do away with the "too hot" mechanic for street vehicles; if it's on the street, it should be stealable & storable; bar none, no exceptions. The name of the bloody game is Grand Theft Auto, it should live up to it. Vehicles being too hot to store was a sensible enough mechanic back in 2013 when the game first came out, but now it's just outdated & stupid.

[@noiisserpmii]

Really great video! No one else is doing content like this. Ive been playing pretty much everyday for the past 6-7+yrs. I have alot of cars & i only go for prize/podium nowadays since i customized pretty much every car i own except for a few. I got almost $60M so i dont have to be cheap. But yeah a filter by brand would of been a much better option.

[@robertrolls4811]

Unfortunately, it seems this rampant monetization of in game content which should reasonably be free and included (instead of releasing incomplete games and adding to them over time while charging extra for the "updates") will only get worse across all platforms. They give the reasoning that modern games take huge teams of people much longer to produce, so in order to stay profitable they need to have microtransactions. I sort of get that, but the fact is, since the license agreements basically say you don't even own the games you're buying anymore, they can really do whatever they want, and since everyone is still playing the games they have no reason to stop.

[@LumiMoonCh]

GTA 6, you have to buy shares in Rockstar Games to get exclusive access to the blista compact. Comet SR, I believe, is just one kidney. Not too bad. You don't want to know what you have to do to get an infernus.

[@Jesse-vc2xo]

Infanus

[@simp-johnson]

Has it been 1 year already? I thought it was like... yesterday '-'

[@elrusomoquiento]

me too the time flies

[@Shuv455]

Man I really love it when someone makes a graph thats colour coded with green, along with.. uhh, brown or red? Colourblind me over here...😔

[@broughy1322]

It's all green, just different shades.

[@Shuv455]

@@broughy1322 I really wish that made a difference to me lol. Still good content, thank you.

[@nikoc8968]

remember, the customer car lifts in the Autoshop and customer bike spot at the Motorcycle Club can also feature vehicles that have been removed, thats how i got a lot of my bikes, including the Daemon.

[@tankdogization]

This and the constant cooldown timers suck the fun out of the game.

[@DanniV8]

Excuse me?? It's already been a year!?

[@_ford_crown_victoria_p]

I havent played gta in a year because I was mad over that update. Today started playing again and I wanted to buy a viseris, but of course it’s gone.

[@raving_1074]

Hot take: if I was playing gta online as a normal player and not a racer, i would like the idea of having to find some vehicles in dealships instead of just buying it off my virtual phone and it appearing in my garage. Plus being able to buy them from other players encourages social interaction. But the way r* implemented it in this game, taking out just the cheap cars so you have to fork over more money you spent time grinding for or bought with real money is terrible.

[@mariodayz]

Remember when the War Thunder playerbase boycotted and review bombed the game on Steam because Gaijin, the developer company, was pretty much ignoring their feedback and implementing horrible economy changes? Pepperidge Farms remembers. And Pepperidge Farms believes that all players that feel like their game is becoming progressively worse because the dev team is not caring enough to think about anything else than money, should do the same as the WT players did. They must make the game for YOU to enjoy. And YOU should be the one taking the decisions on what the game should be like.

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

Dawg check out the series x/s review score

[@TJ_CrXss]

Still don’t understand what R* was going to gain from doing this

[@CarterSharpe]

The kindest assumption is it is related to database functionality in a game that wasn't designed to still be live a decade on. I say this a heavy Red Dead Online player through the pandemic where adding items for sale in the catalogue seemed to be thoroughly broken and related to the many errors in the game. To the point that they started adding items for sale in completely different ways than the catalogue. That is similar to how you buy the returning cars here - they don't reappear on the web sites, they are now bought at trigger points on the map instead.

[@yoyoblabla]

Player count each week and we can also say sharkcards bcs if you are broke in the game and you want to buy the xa21 for example and you don't have time to grind you have to buy sharkcard.

[@SpiritJellyfish1]

Fomo = shark cards

[@EnvyKdn]

@@yoyoblabla I don't even understand why they removed cars like the xa21, gp1, Stirling gt, etc. they were used alot.

[@hkr667]

The answer is monneeeeyyyyyy

[@CSeaSee]

Ooooo, Stats

[@otavioaugusto4727]

Before i stopped playing, i was getting fed up with all their terrible decisions and other things, but this was the last straw for me because i'm a car guy. Haven't played in a year and i don't plan on coming back. They took the same route as Playground Games with Forza Horizon 5: time-gating content. The difference is that R* does this to get people to buy shark cars, while PG does this for player retention (and thus more money from Microsoft); the first locks the cars behind a paywall, the other locks them behind a chores list. I started playing FH5 in September of last year and it took me 4 months to get my hands on a tofu shitbox (Toyota AE86)!! This is basically a slap in the face of the people that paid for the game (PAID, not playing it via gamepass). Honestly, if FH6 and GTA 6 have time-gated content, i'm don't think i'll buy these games, unless the other features make up for that. And trust me, such features will have A LOT to make up for

[@lfla0179]

The Schafter LWB is also a free CEO vehicle that can be called like a Buzzard if you own one and turns your CEO status on. On that regard, the Cognoscenti 55 can't be found.

[@lobotomyscam1051]

I love my fiddy-five. If people didn't have a certain car before it was removed, then they obviously didn't like it very much. Players now want cars they never cared about because of "coolness points."

[@DontAttme]

@@lobotomyscam1051 I have never had that much money in gta and had to sell because I couldn’t dedicate the hours needed to get every car. These cars were normally cheaper and actually attainable for a more casual player but these were the cars removed, so no I disagree.

[@VapidFreak]

​@@lobotomyscam1051 No you don't, you don't race with that shit.

[@lfla0179]

@@lobotomyscam1051 I was collecting all the CEO vehicles when the FOMO kicked in, never had the money to buy it. When I finally got it, removed. Darn it.

[@MarioKaiba]

Rockstar needs to add a new site to the game for some of these cars. Better yet, remove ones from the big two sites that are also available on Benny's and Arena Wars, but leave them on the Benny's and Arena Wars sites. Point being, you don't have to have the same car on like two different sites.

[@gamogi7142]

Inb4 they readd all the removed cars with "new and improved customization options" (a couple new liveries, maybe a spoiler) for the current exteme prices. Maybe they'll even make them be the dripfed vehicles going forward

[@ulyssesperez1989]

I have to applaud @broughy for the amount of work he does for this. 👏👏👏 Rockstar should have never removed all those vehicles.

[@kingtiger3390]

1,5k hours and this was the day I was sure I won't ever get back to the game. Good job rockstar.

[@theanxoiushero800]

Ngl I straight up dropped the game when I heard this was happening, didn’t play for a solid year and damn I was right to do that

[@BigMobe]

It's always awful how they implement things. The showrooms should have been a bonus to let players see and test drive vehicles, not a requirement to access old vehicles. The Premium Deluxe, the car meet, and luxury auto dealers will feature vehicles that can be purchased but have rare liveries. That should have been how the claimable vehicle from the salvage yard robberies worked, instead they have rare plates that should be available to be fitted onto any personal vehicle. Then we get to the customization that locks colors behind a paywall and still no option to color stock rims.

[@eggy6815]

Rockstar before: “Take a look at all of these cars on the websites, they all look so cool right? Well new player, if you work hard then maybe you’ll be able to buy them all!” Rockstar now: “Take a look at these cars on the website, these are the cars we thought you would like, and maybe if you work hard you’ll be able to afford the ones we can be bothered to put into the car dealership if we even remember it exists”

[@jvebarnes]

Good Job Mr Broughy, honestly though I was fortunate enough to have bought many of the removed vehicles prior to their removal. What affects me is the lack of availability of space to store the ones that I hadn't purchased but then win on the wheel or buy at the test track. I own all the businesses with all the garage space plus all the 10 car garages, that I am allowed to buy. I wish Rockstar would make all the 2 and 6 car garages into 10 car garages, or give me access to the 100 car garage that GTA+ members have. Or even just add more floors to the existing businesses or to the 50 car garage.

[@Adarkane325xi]

Impressive analysis, my head was swimming. Rockstar broke the game with the Oppressor Mk. II, and i think they know this. Churchill said “why stand when you can sit?” Well, why drive when you can fly in a straight line? I do RP a little, i drive when it’s raining. But it’s like a novelty anymore. Plus, i hate that there’s no way to track whether you already purchased a car, so you don’t buy it twice.

[@Tume_K5]

Worth mentioning, you can also buy some hidden cars via the Auto Shop customers.

[@MrJeree95]

It's pretty obvious the reason they removed these vehicles was because people mainly bought these lesser used vehicles when they were on discount, so instead of having to put them on discount to sell them, they're now incentivizing people to buy them via fomo from this artificial scarcity.

[@NikoBellicGTAIVPL]

Thank you for the video and for reminding us of this bullsh*t that Rockstar served us

[@lfla0179]

The Tuning shop also offers cars. You can fix them for the customer or outright buy one before delivering it. I bought one that way.

[@DiNmiTe]

You mean the Autoshop right, I imagine this isn't considered because it's a business with upfront cost to buying it, thus not relevant to the weekly event stuff Regardless it's still rng and it's a limited selection of cars

[@broughy1322]

I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@lfla0179]

@@broughy1322 I concur on every aspect of it. Agreed. Except that once you own it, it's a sunk cost already. Buying for that purpose, no. 10/10.

[@da_ch00m65]

As a PC player im so glad i have enough time to see what the next games online will be like before i could even buy the game

[@dubl33_27]

silver lining at last

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

​@@dubl33_27pc always comes in first place

[@Jee123123]

I keep an excel sheet of all my vehicles, it was a pain to label all the ones that were removed but as I've run out of space ages ago it was needed so that I don't mess up my themed garages too much and get rid of things I can no longer replace when we get more space.

[@Turbo_J_Automotive]

As someone who LOVES car collecting In GTA Online, when Rockstar removed all these cars I Left the game for a full 6 Months. I did not want to treat this game like a second job just grinding away so I could have all the cars. At least I can still get a laugh when my mates used to ask me why I had so many. Now they come to me begging for a car they don't have.

[@Nine9005]

This amplifies that the decision to *"streamline our shopping experiences"* is completely unnecessary.

[@worldstar8464]

They're definitely experimenting with pushing the game more in a gacha direction, new thing shows up, then you have like three weeks to get it or you have to wait for a rerun in maybe five months or a year. Not liking what they're doing with the limited time liveries either, paying a million for a car you already have just to get the livery, which doesn't even unlock permanently, it's only on that specific car and you lose it if you change to a different livery. GTA 6 will be crazy with this stuff

[@DatMageDoe]

One method of obtainment you glossed over is the Auto Shop and Bike Service found in the Auto Shop and Clubhouse w/ Mod Shop upgrade, respectively. Between them, 23 additional Removed vehicles can be obtained, including the Daemon. There's also the Lucky Wheel's mystery prize, which has a set pool of cars it can give you, but when its effective odds of getting any singular car is astronomically low, it's not worth considering as a realistic method of obtainment unless there's no other way.

[@ninjasupreme5966]

I recently got the Virgo classic from the casino wheel spin mystery. Nice little treat.

[@broughy1322]

I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@DatMageDoe]

@@broughy1322 Yes, it's not the best method. But that's not really the point of the comment. The point is that is a method, and can give you evergreen access to removed cars. And if you regularly do the auto shop service, you will eventually come across all the removed cars in its pool. You can even enter other players' auto shops and purchase the car off the lift if their access setting allows it.

[@IvanGarcia-xy7bf]

I wish they let you buy the Random NPC Cars that appear In the car meet, it would be nice and lessen the blow of losing All the car's imo

[@DodgeCharger900]

What bothers me the most is that the removed cars only get roulated by adding them to Simeon's showroom and the carmeet. Would be better if they get replaced by the same models, but with more modification options like the Sentinel, Futo, Schwartzer and the Picador for example. These are actually badass now.

[@moistmarsupial3528]

San andreas mercenaries killed the game for me. I was already gradually losing interest, as it was obvious that gta online only had a skeleton crew working on it to put out mediocre updates to earn as much money as possible before gta 6 is finished, but collecting cars was the one thing I still enjoyed doing, and they fucking ruined it in order to to push people to buy gta+. Absolute scum. I've no doubt that gta6 will be a great game, but gta 6 *online* will be an absolute dumpster fire from day 1.

[@0rangeGhost4]

i abandoned this game few years ago and at that time i had all cars i wanted, which is a lot, since i like cars and like collecting. i even had a table to track which cars i have and in which garage they parked by theme. and most of that i got in the way avoiding grind or shark cards nonsense. i fear that i'll have to use this way pretty soon after starting to play gta6

[@williamhaynes7089]

the faggio sport is available this week... but more than a year. The 'Auto Shop' with customer vehicles helps at times

[@brandonivo7137]

I think it was a dumb move by Rockstar to remove any vehicles at all but I can tell they did it one, to utilize the two showrooms added in the Criminal Enterprises DLC and two, to give people the same FOMO aspect they introduced in the Drug Wars DLC which was coincidentally the DLC right before they removed these vehicles. Even if they were to never bring the cars back, they should have at least allowed players some other simple way to get these vehicles but of course, they will never do that or say there is a way already which isn't as simple as they think like you said.

[@astralkoi6404]

As frustrating as the website removals were, I think the energy fighting to get them back could be better used to get some backfills to specialty car modifications (more cars for Benny, arena mods, etc...)

[@JimmyBoah]

I basically gave up on gtao after that. Played a few months more then stopped enjoying it since I couldn't buy anything new.

[@giuseppemaggio5894]

I honestly never understood why they did this. I mean, sure it's another cash grab manouvre but...did it really make sense to do it 10 years after the release of the game? I mean that's something that really only affects those who started out with GTA Online within this past year because those, like me, who played in the earlier years already had the opportunity to drive and purchase all those cars

[@dilbertpapadopoulos1289]

some of the removed vehicles are also available for purchase through Sessanta in the auto shop. I don't see that you have considered that in your calculations

[@broughy1322]

I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@dilbertpapadopoulos1289]

@@broughy1322 totally agree, however if you do such a detailed analysis of things, then it make sense to have at least a side note like: by the way guys this list of cars can also be obtained through that method or something like that

[@chase6902]

After this whole thing started, i made one of my larger garages dedicated to base game and early update sports/classics and supercars, and tbh, buying a sports car for 100-350k feels really nice. And the vehicles are fairly basic, but they look so nice and still feel great to drive around. Only missing the Vapid Bullet lol. It really sucks that they did this, as it wouldve been essier to just buy from websites rather than waiting and hoping for a new spawn at the showroom or car meet each week, but on the bright side, it gave me something to do lol

[@kingkramer]

I remember buying up to three or four of classics like the Hustler and the Roosevelt/Roosevelt Valor, or more obscure cars like the Rat-Loader (absolutely goated car, that one), because I knew that I was unlikely to see them in the dealerships again for a very long time. Now that the LSCM car trading mechanic is available on PC, I don't really get that panic anymore. It's still such an unnecessary hassle though. I also wish there wasn't a cap on how many garages/properties I can own. I'm rapidly running out of garage space, and I've got all the 10 car garages and other garage upgrades I can buy. The rest of the high end apartments are taunting me with their unavailability

[@kieroncraig3594]

wow it's officially been a year since i boycotted the game

[@jacobware1912]

I’ve been wanting the bohdi for ages now

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

xbox?

[@HKIHNDKNSI]

xs?

[@dukejason]

thanks for the video.

[@AWSAM335]

I may be the biggest goober alive because I wanna get the Infernus but I've missed it every time it's been on sale

[@deangelostrachan1709]

I had to wait nearly a whole year to get the Massacro Racecar smt 😠 Rockstar sucks for this travesty.

[@blaisenibert2196]

Rockstar is really screwing everything up with GTA Online and makes me feel the next rendition of GTA Online will be truly terrible. The prices and grind makes me not worry about doing money glitches.

[@evanjd_]

Dont forget about buying cars from the autoshop. I just got the GP1 for the first time. I'm anxiously waiting for the Z Type from the original car export missions.

[@broughy1322]

I haven’t considered the auto shop due to the cost involved in even getting that set up and the rng (and effort) involved in getting the car you want. In my opinion it’s not a reliable acquisition method, or reasonable replacement for simply being able to buy the cars outright like before.

[@hypemaan2462]

We have to start to look at GTA differently now just like rockstar has. It’s a live service game now and will have live service systems put in place, like having to log in to see what’s in the shop. In fortnight it’s the daily rotation of skins, in gta it cars.

[@puciohenzap891]

This is why I stay well clear of any game requiring internet connection.