Hydrogen Boilers Explained - Future of Domestic Heating in the UK?

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@AllenHart999 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the invite.

@Heatable 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for joining us Allen!

@ram64man 2 жыл бұрын

@@Heatable keep Allen reappearing on technical breakdowns as the heat able guru to technical things in the field

@evocultiva9356 4 ай бұрын

Where/When can you buy these?

@HeatGeek 2 жыл бұрын

Very good. Learn a few good bits there. The number 1 issue with hydrogen is how much its going to cost to run which is between 2 and 5 x more than gas though, which is already too expensive. Was hoping for this to be addressed.. also where the h2 comes from. Regardless thanks for the great vid on the home end! 👏

@Heatable 2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for your feedback. Obviously, it might be a while before 100% hydrogen boilers are able to be implemented, but with the rapid development of Hydrogen, it is thought that it'll be at least the same price as natural gas, if not cheaper!

@min47pgl 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It is almost manufacturing a problem. Hydrogen is inefficient to produce and uses lots of electricity. A more efficient system (and likely the solution which will eventually be widespread) is using electricity to heat water either overnight through hot water cylinders, direct electric boiler heaters and heat pumps, powered by renewable electricity which will either be produced via solar at home or cheap, renewable electricity.

@enemyofthestatewearein7945 Жыл бұрын

@@Heatable Regardless, it's not possible for Hydrogen to ever be cheaper than heating with electricity, that's just physics, because it takes much more energy to produce hydrogen. And people think heating with electricity is already too expensive.

@teanau11 11 ай бұрын

The number 1 issue with heat pump is how much its going to cost to run and buy😂

@phillycheesetake 2 ай бұрын

@@Heatable "but with the rapid development of Hydrogen, it is thought that it'll be at least the same price as natural gas, if not cheaper!" No, it will always be more expensive. There are hard ceilings to hydrogen "development" which governments and subsidy-chasing companies are pretending not to notice. ANY "green" hydrogen needs to compete with just using electricity directly...which it can't, not even if the process of making the hydrogen was 100% efficient...which it can't be. Even assuming physics-breaking miracles in hydrogen's favour, it's non-competitive with even resistive electric heating, let alone heat pumps, let alone NOT assuming miracles. What you should be doing is collecting your grants and keeping quiet, because the moment anyone who isn't a politician examines your little arrangement, it's over.

@BenIsInSweden Жыл бұрын

3:40 I don't really see a way in which anyone will be able to get away with not upgrading their rads etc. The running costs on hydrogen will basically end up mandating it - even if it's as low as 2x gas. The only way I can see there not being a shock when the hydrogen switch happens is that gas gets levied to the extent that hydrogen seems about the same cost. And the more expensive gas is, the more attractive the heat pump prospect becomes, not that everyone can take it either.

@heatpump8566 2 жыл бұрын

Very very interesting, good vid

@AllenHart999 2 жыл бұрын

It’s worth the trip up.

@ram64man Жыл бұрын

worcester-bosch - in the swap over to hydrogen start to come on the market, please expand the 8000 to a storage combi reason being many taking this product still in the future will be a high water demand, with the demand to be more green such as piping the return to defrost the condense trap, and prewarm incoming cold feed via the exhaust gas, and built in weather comp settings, there is a demand to reduce total kw used, one way to assist larger demands would be to include a 20lite pre-charged water supply (that could be on a comfort timer) thus allowing a 3 second hot supply at 19litlres yet keep below a 36kw-43kwh footprint,

@ram64man 2 жыл бұрын

Wooster Bosch please develop a larger unit the size of a larger storage combi with electrolysis built in using a smaller 5 litre tank to collect the condensate and waste steam that will be desalinated and oxygen feed to increase transfer back to liquid to generate a small amount of hydrogen for use to keep alight on down time thus reducing grid needed gas for standby power that may use up to 1kg of hydrogen gas otherwise. I see a market for such a device for properties that currently use oil heating, it will be a simple matter of swapping out the storage Cylinder, upgrade the pipes thus relying on simalar delivery of gas like lpg

@ianfossett4482 Жыл бұрын

Sadly that is scientifically impossible

@ryannowell3802 Жыл бұрын

Hydrogen will never be used for domestic heating. It is so inefficient compared to a heat pump and other electric alternatives, it will be very expensive compared to natural gas (most hydrogen is made from methane with loads of additional processes including CCUS which means it HAS to be more expensive than natural gas) and will still generate local emissions of NOX. Hydrogen should only be considered for those really hard to decarbonise sector's where there isn't existing technologies.

@Heatable Жыл бұрын

What do you think will be the future of domestic heating?

@ryannowell3802 Жыл бұрын

@@Heatable I think the majority of domestic heating will be done with air source heat pumps. For those that can't install them for whatever reason there are options with electric boilers and the phase change heat storage technologies.

@Heatable Жыл бұрын

@@ryannowell3802 It'll be interesting to see which pathway the government decide to pick - inevitably the big decision over 100% hydrogen will be down to them

@enemyofthestatewearein7945 Жыл бұрын

@@Heatable The government cannot change the laws of physics or the realities of the market. If the government do decide to go down this route it will be a very costly failure.

@ram64man 2 жыл бұрын

My dream to build a house off grid with a 100% hydrogen powered cylinder and boiler

@AllenHart999 2 жыл бұрын

I am trying to go renewable if possible

@nicholasriley8977 Жыл бұрын

Interesting video - sadly in one sentence - the one about challenges of supply - you not only found the elephant in the room you picked it up and threw it out so that you didn’t have to address it!!

@Heatable Жыл бұрын

Hi Nicholas, glad you found it an interesting watch. In light of the elephant in the room, we didn't intentionally throw it out so we didn't have to address it. There is a lot still yet to explore about the challenges of supply and that's something we'll be able to speak deeper about in the future as more research is done!

@wearsider 2 жыл бұрын

Why don't they just build a hydrogen power station and produce district heating, sending heating to homes and offices and other buildings, so buildings wouldn't need boilers. Any services and problems with hydrogen would be confined to the power station.

@Heatable 2 жыл бұрын

I think the plan would be to have separate power stations to feed the gas into the properties. Without boilers for each property, we would live in a world where we couldn't control how hot or cold our houses were.

@ianfossett4482 Жыл бұрын

Because the production of Hydrogen is hugely environmentally polluting and more electricity is used producing it than is stored in the hydrogen.

@wearsider Жыл бұрын

Hydrogen is getting better all the time, there are many firms working on green hydrogen which is getting better from day to day.@@ianfossett4482

@tomaszsiuda3254 7 ай бұрын

Chodzi o to żeby wodór produkować w momentach kiedy nie da się zużyć energii elektrycznej a nie stale. Wodór jest magazynem energii. Lepiej wyprodukować wodór niż stracić tą energię nawet jak oznacza to produkcję z mniejszą sprawnością.

@iainbusbridge9585 Жыл бұрын

Will never happen. Takes far to much electricity to produce hydrogen so it is more efficient to use the electric direct to homes.

@Heatable Жыл бұрын

What do you think the future of domestic heating will be?

@iainbusbridge9585 Жыл бұрын

@@Heatable A mixture of air source heat pumps and storage boilers like the sun amp and the zeb.

@mohammedrizwan8539 Жыл бұрын

Why don’t this be designed so it makes its own hydrogen as needed within the unit and supply the single unit, and to cover electric aspect of cost, install solar panels! So nobody has to rely on these big power con companies!!! Or is that something government won’t allow as it does not go hand in hand for government!