Hytera HP682 Secure AES-256 Encrypted DMR Radio - Quick Look & Range Test

[@domestosteron]

Mojave really didn't need to flex on us like that by having a female volunteer for the sound-check.

[@MojaveRepeater]

😅

[@PowderMill]

But.. it’s 2023. Could be a 500lb dude on the other end of the radio, 😆 This is definitely a channel to watch going forward. I still can’t figure out why this kid is not THE 2-way / comms KZbin King..

[@promytv]

I really like my Hyterra. The 256 is nice. Its changed how we use radios because my wife feels comfortable to talk to me without feeling like she's airing it to the neighbors, when I am out walking the dog etc. Unfortunately, sometimes that means I sometimes get recalled home to kill a spyder. I might point my local sheriff to you. I think they are struggling with how to convert to digital.

[@MojaveRepeater]

Awesome glad to hear it! Happy to help out the local sheriff with migration to digital. I have some solid Public Safety P25 options for them.

[@lerchmane]

Beyond happy, I just found this channel got licensed in may and bought a yaesu vx6r tri band banger, ended up landing a FED job and seen dudes using DMR alot and I believe that will be my next purchase not sure of brand yet. But thank you so much for what you are doing and the level of professionalism you have. My dad was stationed at 29 for awhile.....have a good day devil dog

[@stephenurban9880]

Stumbled across your channel. My family and I were in 29 Palms for 34 years.. When I was a Marine and then while I worked civil service at the EEAP. We moved to rural AZ in 2019.

[@mikesmith7497]

How did you survive living in that place for that long? I'm serious.

[@stephenurban9880]

@@mikesmith7497 Well as my grandson said one time, "you can't be a pussy and live in 29 Palms".

[@Thergood]

Radio Cleetus coming through with another great video. 😊 Good stuff man.

[@waylonk2453]

I really like how Hytera have integrated the speaker grille into the keypad to save space

[@luish19779]

pretty nice radio. i still attached to the motorola XPR but i hope verry soon i let go to get something New and with Encryption AES

[@Mogas0311]

Stellar video man! Enjoyed the knowledge bombs. I really liked the demonstration between analog vs digital as well. Looking forward to taking another class one day. Also recently got my technician license.

[@ErikHillard-tw1xz]

Excellent video, great explanation of the tech and simply very helpful. Thank you!

[@MojaveRepeater]

Thanks Erik!

[@Gator_needs_his_gat]

So I’m trying to “buy once cry once” on a radio that is going to be able to do everything I need it too do. Which is a bugout radio, something I can listen too/ contact emergency services, capable of encrypted talk with the boys, super durable. Is the hytera HP682 the correct radio?

[@MojaveRepeater]

It does a lot but there is no “one size fits all” solution. That’s like asking for a 10.5” rifle that can do great CQB but also shoot 1000yds. The HP682 is a great choice for what it is

[@TheLiquidss]

Thank you for making this video, always interested in Hytera radios but don't know where to start, also very nice selection of radios in your store

[@highdesertdrew1844]

How long does it take to recharge? One of the issues I've had with some radios is they'll have an 8-16hr standby time, but might take 3 days to recharge. Main question I have, the AES-256, is this a hardware crypto engine or is it firmware? And how are the keys loaded, do you need a KVL, or will the laptop running software with a cable handle it? Last question... You mentioned RCR4, which bitrates is it compatible with? I think the TYT UV380 supported up to 128bit RCR4 (still not great)

[@nv_nomad]

Correct me if I'm wrong, ARC40 = 40 bit encryption depth? So RC40 wouldn't support 128bits, Yes? There are many flavors (AES, DES, 3DES) of encryption, but AES is an accepted standard, and inherently supports 64, 128, and 256-bit depths. Now Hytera does have a proprietary type of encrypt, along with offering the DMRA standard also for their key algorithm, so they (Hytera) do give you options.

[@highdesertdrew1844]

@@nv_nomad RC40 is indeed a 40 bit crypto standard. Back in like 2000, it was possible to bust 3DES-40 in seconds on a dedicated ASIC based decrypter. DES and 3DES have had flaws exposed in them so they're not really preferred at this point, AES has been the dominant standard for at least a decade, and probably will be for a while yet.

[@whoaedgy7345]

Digital also eliminates the "squelch tail" which is not earpiece friendly, and can be louder than actual voice of recieved station. Good tech.

[@whoaedgy7345]

Great vid. The exposed contacts on the side of these radios for data or speaker mic is mindboggling, even with the fact it is not disturbed by water or moisture. Makes the design interesting. Your helper has good dispatcher vocals...lots of absolute mushmouths on the gmrs repeaters over here.

[@kf5881]

is the maxon mdp6000 pretty comparable to this?

[@MojaveRepeater]

Yes really solid quality radio, but the MDP6000 does not have a full keypad so you cannot program on the fly

[@ZachChurch]

Thank you for this video!

[@MojaveRepeater]

You bet!

[@jezzenavarro]

is there a huge difference between the PD model and thus HP model?

[@nv_nomad]

Yes, being a dealer of this equipment, big difference is in the receiver sensitivity, .18uV vs .22uV, which equates to about 50% better range.

[@truesonic669]

The high way patrol in my area still use analog. Even with the squelch all the way and it sounds like a car radio

[@kamerondimas1569]

Are you using a p25 radio most agencies will have p25 enabled radios

[@truesonic669]

My police scsnner is the unden and yes it picks up p25 you need to have it o 2 or 3 squelch at the most

[@desertdefensesystems3851]

Very helpful and informative.

[@sethwarren8334]

Hey man i like your videos I’m stationed in 29 palms. Would you be interested in linking up and talking to some of the guys. A couple guys including myself are interested in getting our Ham technicians license.

[@MojaveRepeater]

Yes definitely. I'm on base regularly. Shoot me an email through the website

[@hunterhill190]

Love your work. Thanks for the clear information. How easy is it to pair that hytera to your Mojave repeater?

[@budprepper3811]

How does that compare with a TYT MD- UV 390 GPS. Analog/Digital DMR etc?

[@MojaveRepeater]

Quality is much much higher than the typical Chinese Amazon radios

[@nv_nomad]

No comparison, period.

[@killerbanjo]

You should check out the Vitai/Zastone UV008. Cheap, dual band, and has aes256

[@TheRealRenn]

New to the DMR here. Do these radios TX/RX on GMRS UHF channels and, if so, are they repeater capable, or are they completely different animals?

[@jezzenavarro]

would VHF have an advantage here? im still a little confused on outdoor usage preference in UHF vs VHF :(

[@RedactedTech]

VHF would have a slight advantage in more "wide-open" areas. Think large open areas of farm land like the midwest. The long rolling hills of an apline tundra in in places like Montana, Idaho, or the Dakotas. And sub-tropical desert regions like Arizona and New Mexico. UHF has a slight advantage in wooded areas or areas with a lot of buildings due to it being a little better suited for multipath signal propagation, which is just having the signal bounce off objects in order to reach a reciever. The percieved difference between VHF and UHF on a DMR radio will be relatively small and shouldn't necessarily be the deciding factor when purchasing a DMR radio.

[@jezzenavarro]

Thank you. That really helps a lot

[@TheRogueStatus]

What radio would you recommend that could be used in a small tactical team that’s durable through weather and somewhat secure?

[@hostilesinbound3241]

He does have a video on this topic. My recommendation is motorola xts5000. They can be programmed with encryption if they have the module installed and they range from anywhere between 100-300 bucks depending on peripherals included and if pre-programmed.

[@ExodusTiger]

Any chance you can do a comparison between high end digital radios such as the Motorola PRC153, Harris Unity XG-100, Maxon MDP-6000, or the knock off TRI PRC 152? I had the Harris issued for work and had good experiences with it, but that was back when I knew nothing about comms. Thanks for the videos, this is some good content often overlooked in the "tacticool" arena.

[@Boopboob]

The knockoffs has basically basic analog radio capabilities. Fancy and nice looking, rugged, but it's basically a more powerful baofeng. Don't rely on it, for the same amount you can have a good DMR.

[@demonmucker4734]

What type of receiver is in it? direct or Super het?

[@njw1977]

I have a couple Ailunce HD1 DMR radio that I use for GMRS. I'm having a hard time finding an affordable 50w mobile that will work with it. Any suggestions?

[@mateo1726]

“NotaRubicon Productions” may have a video on it. He does a lot of gmrs radio reviews including mobile units.

[@nv_nomad]

It should be noted, that 'DMR' is not an accepted (illegal) modulation emission type for Part 95, GMRS & FRS radio frequencies. You can't lose with a Part 90 Commercial license :)

[@Ares-TN02]

Good morning, I play airsoft and as you know we use radios for communication between the various teams even if we obviously don't need professional devices. Baofengs are currently very popular and I'm satisfied with them, but I don't like the Kenwood connector because even though they use military-type PTTs, they often get ruined. I would like to try a Motorola type system that attaches with screws, but the prices are too high for me. They told me that Hytera uses the same standard, but I'm totally ignorant. Can you recommend a model that has this type of PTT connection, that doesn't cost a fortune and that can be used with the radios we use in this sport (baofeng and midland)? Thanks in advance

[@MojaveRepeater]

The baofeng UV82 uses a screw down multipin type connector you should be able to find a PTT for it. Not the same connector as a Motorola

[@Ares-TN02]

@@MojaveRepeater I bought a Baofeng UV-9R Pro which has this type of connector. Let's see how it goes.

[@rogersmith4926]

Hello, I have a question, what laptop is that on your label

[@huntaholic9590]

Could the HP602 serve a purpose in a SHTF type situation or less for a small group being you wouldn’t be able to program your radio to communicate with others outside of your group on the fly and more importantly would need a computer to add in channel’s. I’m looking for thoughts from others the hundred bucks between the two would be nice to save.

[@CzechSixTv]

AES encryption, particularly outside Part 90(LMR) frequencies, is a GIANT red flag to anyone you might be worried will hearing you when "SHTF".

[@mattfoster6910]

@@CzechSixTv Why's that?

[@CzechSixTv]

@@mattfoster6910 Encryption is only allowed for Part 90(business band) and sticks out like a sore thumb on any other band. It won't hide your location, it just obscures what you are saying. The most basic analog scanner can still hear the signal. Even a couple of halfwits carrying Baofeng's with directional antennas can triangulate the signal easily, to say nothing of someone with a Kraken SDR or a 'state actor' with god knows what kind of resources. Using encryption increases the risk of letting 'dangerous people' know you probably have some good gear worth stealing or simply indicating to a 'state actor' where they need to focus their efforts. If it ever actually gets to the point that you think you need encryption for security in a SHTF scenario, you'd be better served using a coded message system that sounds like innocuous banter. "Feed the chickens" means check the perimeter, "In the garden" means on watch...etc.

[@spilledmilk9000]

How does the hytera compare to something like the Ailunce HD2?

[@MojaveRepeater]

@@spilledmilk9000 much higher quality overall

[@rodjdhazlee]

Where to buy a pair of that.?

[@rheacecontracting]

Would you recommend this radio over the Motorola DTR700 for private comms between our group? Or would you recommend the group leader to have this radio and the other teammates have the DTR700?

[@Bootyhunter1971]

This radio wont work with the DTR 700. So cant mix. Encryption is even more secure than the FHSS but, with private group and FHSS those wont be heard by anyone except maybe a gov agency and they honestly can probably decode encryption as well.

[@Yankeebelletreeworks]

Can your location be track when transmitting

[@ivrsn_1569]

What hytera model can offer dual band?

[@SolgerLemp]

So can you tell me what justifies the astronomical price tag compared for example to the Baofeng DM-1701that that sells for $90, i would argue the build quality, the gps and bluetooth are good enough reason for it to cost 7 times more

[@MojaveRepeater]

If you buy a $90 radio, be prepared for $90 results

[@cocobearnoski]

@@MojaveRepeatergot em

[@hbryant1971]

Offer it in dual band VHF/UHF and I'd be interrested in purchasing a pair....

[@KeepersoftheTorah]

29 palms is where usmc field radio operator school is at

[@MojaveRepeater]

Sure is! I am very familiar with this school.

[@phillipamerson1672]

I have like 9 Hytera 682i and 2 782G from construction jobs left behind, can they be reprogrammed to factory and program to match repeaters in my area?

[@MojaveRepeater]

Sure, check out repeaterbook.com

[@reyrey90_60]

Would it be able to reach 15 miles out on digital we get pretty bad storms where I’m from and lose signal for many days just browsing KZbin for something to contact my parents and in-laws (money is no subject

[@MojaveRepeater]

Shoot me an email - [e-mail]

[@BillDay]

Great info, thanks

[@jhutch1470]

How do get an encryption key? Everywhere I look, you have to purchase it, and they want your commercial license number.

[@CzechSixTv]

That's because encryption is only allowed on Part 90.

[@daa3417]

You don’t need a key loader, just get a programming cable and use the software to do it yourself.

[@cocobearnoski]

@@daa3417so do you pay for the license or just use the cable and software to do it

[@josephduchow3599]

What is the difference between the hp682 and the pd682?

[@abccde3832]

HP is newer that is for sure. I think there is like 4 or 6 years of difference between both radios.

[@nv_nomad]

Receiver design, for starters. Plenty of internal features too. HP Series are successors to the PD Series

[@haruthewhiteninja]

Why would this be better than say, the anytone 878 series? It's dmr and has aes.

[@MojaveRepeater]

I should do a comparison video. Overall quality is better on the Hytera. Also, the Anytones use a Kenwood 2-pin accessory port (which is not guaranteed to protect against water ingress), whereas the Hyteras use a multi-pin screw down connector. Did you hear how crystal clear the voice was in this example? The AnyTones for the most part have issues at range where they drop voice packets and produce garbled audio, especially when you use encryption. Most of the cheapo Chinese DMRs on Amazon suffer similar fate. Their firmware/software is not very well done.

[@haruthewhiteninja]

@@MojaveRepeater Very good information. The range did seem impressive. Noted on the superior connector.

[@AliBaba-vw7mo]

@@MojaveRepeaterthere are many different factors to how a radio performs. Antenna, power, terrain, proper mic use(especially when it comes to vocoders). I’ve seen many tests performed by experienced amatuer radio operators where Anytones are on par with Hyteras in terms of range performance. But you’re spot on about the build quality. Hyteras can definitely suffer a lot more abuse.

[@nv_nomad]

Build quality, Hytera's are commercial grade equipment!

[@AliBaba-vw7mo]

Anytone 878's implementation of AES encryption has been shown to be vulnerable. This is due to their implementation using a fixed Initialization Vector. I wouldn't trust their encryption until they fix their firmware.

[@MR-nl8xr]

Yea, it's pretty clear (no pun) that digital is MUCH better audio.

[@circumnavigator8177]

This may be a silly question, but is there no concern about the security of this radio as a Chinese product? This question comes from a place of complete ignorance, but it seems that device security would be an aspect to consider for foreign products

[@MojaveRepeater]

Surely always a concern but also something that we have to live with, considering that Chinese components are resident in nearly every major manufacturers radios. To include our iPhones, computers, TVs, etc. If it gives you any confidence in the product, a friend has wiresharked the customer programming software and no errant packets make their way outside the network. The DMR radio itself is limited by its own technology so there is no way to connect back to the internet, etc to “spy” on you. Much greater chance of a Google Home, etc. spying.

[@justsomeguyontheinternet5331]

Take that question and extend it to the phone or computer you made that comment on. Do you trust that device, despite the much wider attack surface and capabilities for spying on you? The risk associated with the radio is a lot less.

[@circumnavigator8177]

@@MojaveRepeater That's really interesting to know. I'm uneducated in this area and that was a very helpful breakdown. Cheers

[@circumnavigator8177]

@@justsomeguyontheinternet5331 Completely true

[@MR-nl8xr]

@@justsomeguyontheinternet5331 I don't trust anything with a microphone on it, but I still HAVE to use it * shoulder shrug *.

[@anthonyrowleyar15]

Are you using VHF or UHF?

[@MojaveRepeater]

UHF in this one

[@njw1977]

Do these radios come with programming software (ie chirp)?

[@MojaveRepeater]

Yes, the Customer Programming Software is available for download along with these radios

[@nv_nomad]

Well, it should be noted that the CPS & firmware (latest versions) are available to authorized dealers and individuals with accounts from Hytera. There are some HAM sites that do post older CPS versions, but direct from Hytera is your best bet! (I'm an authorized dealer).

[@truesonic669]

I have a 4g walkie talkie and love it. No static

[@JayMagee-ul6iz]

Is she bearmat?

[@educational4434]

I would love to have encrypted radios that no government agencies or military could listen in on, but I suspect without even watching this video that these radios do not prevent them from listening, correct? Because they would just make it illegal because they want to force us to divulge what we're talking about to the government, right?

[@zackarmer642]

Is this something you still have to get a license and call sign for?

[@RKingis]

Yes, a Part 90 Business license is required.

[@CzechSixTv]

@@RKingis Not legal for Part 90 if FPP enabled and LMR license holders are the most likely to get a random equipment inspection. One company was just fined recently for having the 0.5w GMRS/FRS frequencies programmed into their Part 90 radios. No complaints or accusations of them using the frequencies, just the frequencies being found in the radios during a routine equipment inspection.

[@RKingis]

@@CzechSixTv Ah, good point on FPP. I guess I was assuming that the CPS would've disabled it like the Anytone.

[@CzechSixTv]

@@RKingis Any reputable radio shop that deals with licensed Part 90 customers will disable FPP before they deliver the units.

[@Wayne_VK3ECS]

Thanks for the great video. Is this radio dual or single band & if single band does it come i a dual band flavor ?. Does it support CTCSS Rx & Tx for repeaters How do you setup repeater off sets ?. Whats its power out put & does it just have 1 x power output or does it also supporr low power. How is the AES256 upgrade available ?. Thanks in Advance. 😊

[@MojaveRepeater]

Great questions. It is single band and no dual-band variety is offered. Yes it supports CTCSS RX & TX and can be enabled/disabled on the radio through FPP. It is 1W/5W selectable. AES encryption is an optional upgrade available from authorized resellers and can be applied as a software license by the end user or the dealer

[@Wayne_VK3ECS]

Thanks @@MojaveRepeater look forward to your further videos. 😊.

[@Gator_needs_his_gat]

“Long distance comm shots”

[@KidCorporate]

Super nice radio, with a correspondingly high price though. I had enough trouble bullying my crew into Anytone D878's.

[@nv_nomad]

As the old adage goes, 'you get what you pay for' . . .

[@yanipro3978]

1 000 usd

[@jhutch1470]

I would have had her count backwards from 36 to 12 by factors of three. LOL

[@scotttucker5331]

At 1000.00 it better out perform 95% of comms

[@RKingis]

Motorola's are usually about $2000-$6000 each. You get what you pay for.

[@scotttucker5331]

@RKingis I've got a few motorola radios, some handheld, some mobile units. Just need some help getting them programed.

[@RKingis]

@@scotttucker5331 I wish you the best! Programming Motorolas just for ham use is a huge pain, and even worse for GMRS.

[@daa3417]

@@RKingisMotorolas are that price because nobody pays full price for them. FEMA and other grants take care of most of it, and everyone knows Motorola loves destroying the trade in radios.

[@IZ4JMM]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4jPkpahgK5jY80 Hytera HP 785

[@pyeitme508]

Wo

[@nv_nomad]

Last digit in model number 78"2", indicates the region where the radio would operate, legally. Region 2 is North America. Region 5 is Europe.

[@jhill4874]

§ 97.113 Prohibited transmissions of the FCC rules: (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages encoded for the purpose of obscuring their meaning, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification. Why do these sites promote breaking the rules while falling back on lame disclosures. It y'all insist on breaking the FCC rules for amateur radio you are going to screw it up for the rest of us. The FCC will use this as an excuse and just revoke the frequencies we have and sell them off to their commercial buddies.

[@MojaveRepeater]

Here come the HAM radio police… What makes you think that I don’t have a FCC Part 90 license? Where did I ever state that any part of this falls under Part 97 at all? Go police someone else’s content

[@Michael-ir4kh]

Grow up

[@jhill4874]

@@MojaveRepeater Never accused you of not having a license. You are promoting unauthorized behavior. on ham bands. The radio you are hawking is a part 97 radio. That's puts it under part 97. Nowhere did you bring up a different service. If you want to lose your license and get a visit from Homeland |Security, be my guest. Why do you even bother with a license?

[@jhill4874]

Y'all want to break the law and f up everything for the rest us, have your snit. You want to legally encrypt data on ham bands, get the law changed.

[@MojaveRepeater]

You have no idea what you’re talking about. This is a part 90 radio and I sell part 90 equipment, promote licensing and proper legal use of the radios. Tell me where and when I ever promoted using these on HAM bands?