Hyundai Ioniq 5 - Canadian Winter Road Trip

[@jesshep21]

I really enjoyed this video! A great real world example of winter EV driving and charging. Thanks!

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks - I have been a bit slack lately due to a bit of life creeping in.

[@hanswallner2188]

Price doubling above 90 percent is a cool idea, did not know that, thats really a pretty good way to prevent charger abuse!

[@brucemacneil]

Quebec Circuit Electrique constantly work to improve and are continually evaluating software, billing, hardware and location. And, constantly adding locations and upgrading the existing chargers. The street level 2 charging is really ubiquitous.

[@DEEPNNN]

Thanks, a great Canadian example of an electrified road trip. I look forward to doing the same sometime soon. I noticed you have a Grizzl E level 2 charger (Canadian made, yay!). It would be nice to hear a short story about your experience with it.

[@brucemacneil]

Grizzl-E.... Simply awesome. We have the most simple version. And, the dip switches are set to charge at 24Amps. I take it with me and plug into NEMA 14-50 plugs. You saw me pouring hot water on the aluminum bracket to free it from ice to remove. Very easy.

[@marclemieux8269]

The Grizzl-e EV charger is extremely affordable, rugged, and simple to use. I have the basic version that retails for around $500 and is fully certified for use in Canada and the U.S. It can be adjusted internally via dip switches in order to provide either 16, 24, 32, or 40 amps of charging, depending on the capacity of your electrical panel's breaker. Remember the 80% rule! All you need is an Allen key to loosen and remove all 4 screws and the top cover on this charger, and then use a regular sharp pencil, rather than a pen which is conductive, to make the necessary adjustments to the dip switches based on your manual's instructions. It really is a relatively quick and simple process and reduces the complexity needed in manufacturing this EV charger. I've had mine close to 3 years now, and I recommend it wholeheartedly since it's the toughest charger on the market by far! It's also the best-selling EV charger on Amazon!

[@BrettReid-b9w]

Just wanted to say thank you 🙏

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Cool video. It was nice to see Canada charging. I also like cold weather road trips. Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching.

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks for watching - you have interesting vids as well.

[@adelabouali1693]

Good job 👏....thanks for feedback have a wonderful life 👍.

[@brucemacneil]

Thank you too

[@rody396]

Thanks for making this video, it was a good watch- appreciate it !

[@bobhawkey3783]

As a brand new Ioniq 5 owner in Saskatchewan this was very good to see. Thanks for documenting it!

[@valerievincent3310]

Thanks;) that's true , we need to do our part for the environment !!!

[@RISCGames]

Beautiful Ioniq! We ended up getting the last iteration of the Kona EV late last year and I haven’t even considered the lower cost rates of the slower chargers, which makes sense so thanks for that eye opener! Especially since it seems to charge around or below 50kw anyways with the occasional exceptions where it’ll burst charge at 73kw for like 10 minutes or so before it seems to throttle again back down again. I was expecting it to be colder there in Canada but it looks like we’re beating you currently here in Indiana in the U.S. at -3 which isn’t fun heh

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks. It is much colder today......

[@10BucksNUdder]

I love all the charging stations I have near me, and how short a time it actually takes to charge my car at home on my dedicated 110v line. It may take me 10 more minutes to charge at home then it would to fill my tank with dino blood, or one of the NUMEROUS charging stations that are free for me to use when ever I want without a single wait in line. And in no way do I get anxious and have to remap my road trip in anyway for I know there will be a charger at any location I have to go to while out and about. thank god for this wonderful tech, way of the future for sure!

[@user-cs7he5zb9i]

It takes 1.22 hours to fully charge from discharge it takes me 15 minutes to get a full tank on my truck pay and leave 😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidmenasco5743]

​​@@user-cs7he5zb9iEV drivers who have half a clue never fully charge at a fast charger. There is no need. The charging generally takes only as long as what else you're doing at that stop. Restroom, food, stretch the legs, maybe wash the windshield. Then on your way. Tesla drivers normally charge between 15 to 20 minutes at a stop. Ioniq 5 and EV6 about the same.

[@___OmerAJ___]

Absolutely right, delivering energy by wire more efficient than a truck, not considering how you store it.

[@michaellippmann4474]

Lol...Bruce...we're leaving tomorrow morning for Wasaga Beach from Kingsville, Ontario. Only 450km, on Feb 21 we are doing a 2400km trip to Florida...last week Ally(my wife) and I went to Toronto 378km from home, to pick up a 2017 Nissan Leaf to replace our 2106 Toyota Rav4...all electric now! The Leaf was a challenge to do the trip home 378km in freezing windy conditions but my Ioniq5 that Ally was driving was a very comfy ride home for my wife! She beat me home by 2 hours!!!😂😂😂😂😂 Anyway, love your car and your content man! Thanks Mike and Ally 🇨🇦

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks for watching. That Florida trip is certainly appealing. BBQ. Ribs. Sunscreen.

[@andrewmaw3345]

Hey bruce....car guy here. Just wanted to give you some advice. Windshield washer/oil/coolant (i know you dont have oil and coolant anymore) but If you look up by the spout it tells you to turn the bottle sideways. It makes it 100000000000 times easier to pour. Try it next time. Hello From Thunder Bay ON BTW

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks. Will do.

[@brucemacneil]

I think I was cold and irrational - thanks for watching.

[@ocoet3575]

Electric cars have exactly the same fluids as an ice except for the engine oil

[@TeslaCampingCanada]

Great video! Love the part about delivering fuel over a wire, totally agree :)

[@WiresAndChords]

I did warn you that charger #2 at the Canadian Tire in Kingston wasn't being great. #4 has consistently been a champ there. (I'm the guy in the Lightning you asked about where the McD's was.)

[@brucemacneil]

Nice meeting you - and yea eh.

[@Steelwheelsdutch]

Nice video bruce love to see the real deal

[@Trashed20659]

I see an opportunity for automated vending machines like they have at rest stops. Doesn't this pretty much equate to that? While we're at it, a porta-potty might be nice. Anyway, the thought also occurred to me that packing a meal for a stop where there is no food available might be a good idea, or finding some fast food nearby and THEN driving to the charger where you could eat while waiting. It's all in the planning.

[@NorthernEVexperience]

Great Video Bruce - Good experience

[@pylex111]

Hi Bruce, I want to get an EV so I can spend time at a charging station, waiting for the blessed thing to charge. Especially in cold weather. Seems like the right thing to do.

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks, I am curious, why would you say that?

[@pylex111]

Tired of the rat race. EV's seen to be a call back to a simpler time. None of this stop here, gas up an be on your way in less than 5 minutes. I honestly envy the relaxed approach EVs bring.

[@brandonsheffield9873]

The only people I can stand to be around are my Dad, Mom, wife and 2 kids. I can handle by brothers and other in-laws, but my anxiety is peeking at that point. No clue why I'm that way, whether it's my PTSD, or various other diagnosis the doctors have given me. Nothing seems to cure it.

[@brandonsheffield9873]

If you live in NY or other big city, EV chargers are very rare for row housing and apartment dwellers. It may be fine for this guy in a low population and quiet town.

[@Jojo-o6o6w]

@@brandonsheffield9873 lol what are you on about? i hope it meant to be funny because i started laughing reading it :)

[@dalekaechler4872]

It would have been nice if you said where you started your trip from and what the destination was and what was the cumulative cost for changing was

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks for watching. I made a chart and likely forgot to include it. Quebec to Toronto - I think the public charging came to about $20.

[@SunshineVocals]

This would have been a far better video, with information on how cold it is. The range you got between stops, time it took for charging in that weather etc.

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks for watching.

[@uo2230]

Since I'm considering an EV, couple of ?s. I didn't see a posting of costs to charge. Also, I'm confused as to how this is faster than a gas vehicle unless you need a certain amount of time to stretch out and get out from behind the wheel but that wouldn't necessarily make an EV faster. Also where is this free charging you talk about. I have a 15 Golf TDI that does better than 50 mpg on the highway and a 14 gallon tank. I should easily be able to make the whole trip w/o fueling up. Curious what you spent tho charging.

[@paulkovac9685]

Keep your car you’d be better off!!

[@davidmenasco5743]

Cost summary was at the very end of the video. Tesla drivers report that the time they spend charging, about 15 to 20 minutes per stop, unless they take longer for a meal or kids, is very restful. And the drive itself is also relatively much more relaxing than driving ICE due to reduced noise and vibration as well as a good "Autopilot" driver assistance system. And I'm sure this also applies to the Ioniq 5 and EV6. This may not necessarily make the trip shorter, but it keeps the time close to ICE vehicle times, and may make the time "go by" much faster.

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

I'm responding with 10 years and half a million kilomètres of EV driving in a Tesla Model S (4 years), a Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh (5 years) and an Ioniq 5 (1 year) behind me. Not in Canada, but in similar climat. EVs are not ICE cars with electric motors instead of an engine. They are different, and have different pros and cons. There are several important things to consider, which can go terribly wrong before you even take delivery of your first EV. Make an informed purchachsing decision. Don't rely on your dealer for advice, most of them dont know what they are talking about. As for your questions: If you dont need to wee, eat and drink for 900km, you will require less time with an ICE car. That's very obvious. How much longer will depend on the EV you have, your experience and a number of other factors. However, if you take a break or two anyways, you won't notice much of a difference. There's a learning curve to travelling long distance with an EV. Please don't take a 1000km road trip first thing you have an EV. It's not difficult, but different, and you will struggle if you don't know what you do. Remember, you and everyone around you grew up with ICE vehicles, but most people never even drove an EV. This video, like many others, make everything look simple and it is, because the bloke knows his car and the ins and outs of charging etc. If everything is new to you, you may run into problems such as having to figure out how to start a charger, a cold battery, or other easily avoidable nuisances that you may not even easily be able to identifie at first. DC charging prices vary, but it's not cheap and I dont think it will become cheaper in the immediate future. Choose a car with enough range to cover your commute and other daily driving, thus enabling you to cover a large portion of your driving with home charging. If you dont need to DC charge on a daily basis, fast charging will not have a noticable impact on your overall cost. If you do a lot of long distance travelling (>500km), remember that efficiency and fast charging always trump range. Buy a car that can take a 10-80% charge in under half an hour, preferably under 25 minutes, even in winter. If you do a lot of midrange travelling (100-500km), range is more important.

[@jamesmartin-hk7xw]

Thanks for info. Please do not forget all the benefits especially the clean air aspect.

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks for the thoughtful comments.

[@NorthernEVexperience]

Hey Bruce are you setting the charger as the destination in your navigation to precondition the battery. I know you are not in a rush but still curious how effective it is in improving your charging speed.

[@brucemacneil]

Very effective. And, it works very well - the implementation is actually very clever.

[@celinelaberge2190]

​@@brucemacneilI don't agree. Because we don't know the temperature of the battery, its very hard to preheat the battery to the correct temperature. A 50kwh session may need a 20 minutes preheating period but a 225 kwh may need an hour. We need a specific screen with battery temperature and requirements for fastest charging session.

[@mig21m13]

You are very smart, "best transport for energy is wired" 🤣😂

[@MrSammotube]

I actually agree on paying per minute - you are renting the parking space - that is good - no need to worry about electricity costs, just know that everyone is paying for the same thing.

[@brucemacneil]

Yes....

[@gridjac]

What kind of efficiency are you getting? Mi or km per kWh? I’m taking a drive with my Ioniq 5 next weekend and I’m curious how much range I’m going to get.

[@brucemacneil]

I get around 22KWh per 100kms in winter without making any special effort to conserve. I generally drive 110KPH.

[@gridjac]

@@brucemacneil Thanks. That’s not bad in the cold at highway speed!

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

I saw that Quebec has the best charging infrastructure in Canada

[@brucemacneil]

Realistically - in all of North America. Though California may debate that.

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

@@brucemacneilI’m not sure what criteria they were using. Tesla is getting ready for the onslaught of new electric vehicles that will plug directly into Tesla Superchargers!

[@brucemacneil]

@@mitchellbarnow1709 Suggest a close look at Quebec. Maybe a visit?

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

Chicago, Illinois just had a cold and windy storm that took a lot of EV’s out of service for various reasons. The news media is all over it saying that EV’s don’t work for people that don’t have garage parking.

[@brucemacneil]

Yes, seems like that was a Tesla SC hiccup.

[@davidmenasco5743]

From what's been reported (not in the news, but by experienced observers on KZbin), it seems that Chicago was recently struck by a case of Tesla Fever, with many people buying Teslas who don't have home charging, and at the same time, many ride share drivers getting deals on Bolts, Niros and Teslas. These new inexperienced drivers have made a lot of rookie mistakes, like hogging chargers up to 100%, not preconditioning, or waiting in long lines with preconditioning on the whole time draining the battery. Given the background condition that charging infrastructure in Chicago is way behind what is and will be needed, plus some of the existing chargers being offline, and there were some definite issues. It was a highly exceptional situation, and affected a few dozen people for about 2 days. And of course meanwhile ICE cars drivers were not without their own challenges in the extreme cold. But it highlighted several areas where improvements can and will be made. 1) More L2 charging is needed. This is true everywhere. The rollout of these chargers is underway, but the pace does need to be picked up. 2) More fast chargers are needed, and their reliability needs to be improved. This is also in the works. EV fast charging stations are being brought online in the US at a rate of more than one per day. 3) Better driver education is needed. 4) Some improvements are needed in EVs to make them more "idiot-proof" and to better adapt them to a wider range of applications. We're in basically the first generation of mass market EVs, like rev. 1.2. The next generation can and will be better. 5) Ride share companies need to take some responsibility for helping their drivers access the charging they need. 6) Municipalities need to take some responsibility for helping all drivers access the on street charging that pretty much EVERYONE is going to need, going forward. You can find some excellent first hand reporting on the Chicago situation, and excellent analysis, on the Out of Spec podcast and the Batteries Included podcast. Both are available on KZbin.

[@brucemacneil]

@@davidmenasco5743 Very excellent comments. In general - I have to agree. My experience and observation of different regions - the solution to any EV difficulty is more EV and more charging. The true breathtaking access to DC and level 2 charging in Quebec is a window to the future for every region.

[@johndistefano7494]

Seems like a lot of work what happens when the charge is frozon

[@brucemacneil]

Good question. In reality - that never happens: or at least it never happened to me. Other than that the same more or less as when a gas pump is frozen.

[@bfvader]

re: per minute vs. per-kWh billing at EV chargers, I can't get over how much Electrify Canada is charging now in BC... In the summer I paid just over $9 for a 50kWh, 19-80% charge on my EV6 in just 15 minutes; today that same session would cost over $39 at $0.70/kWh + tax despite the fact that I'd only be occupying the charger for 15 minutes compared to someone with a Chevy Bolt taking an 80+ minutes to pull the same amount of energy.

[@brucemacneil]

Yes - More expensive for you - and for the Bolt. And, removes an incentive to purchase a faster charging vehicle. And, the tremendous increase in price of DC charging runs counter to the public policy efforts to decrease GHG emissions. And, the electricity generation is a public resource - BC Hydro Dams, OPG Nuclear, Hydro Quebec Dams, Nova Scotia Coal generation plants, Newfoundland and Labrador hydroelectric - all of these are created by government resource. In the United States - the same idea applies.

[@Steelwheelsdutch]

Greetings from Rene from the Netherlands

[@brandonsheffield9873]

Your not supposed to use your phone at a pumping station. You could be accused of hacking the electronics.

[@davidmenasco5743]

Wow, time to retire the tinfoil hat!

[@judo-rob5197]

I disagree about your evaluation of per minute charging 22:59 being better. You having a fast charging car is different than someone with a slow charging car like an old Leaf. That being said, I agree that the time should come into affect when you are at 90 percent full.

[@brucemacneil]

Thanks for watching and paying attention. I have a video where I try and make a better explanation on that point. That aside - most people seem to want per KWh because of making the false analogy with gasoline. Then - per KWh happens and the same people then wish a return to per minute.

[@twig3288]

My favourite EV YT channel is Mguy Australia

[@brucemacneil]

Do you have a link?

[@LarryButler-kp3se]

Freezing cold, feet buried in snow, no protection from precip, NO HEATED REST ROOMS....no thanks!

[@brucemacneil]

Interesting. Where do you get that idea??? The charging stops coincide with meals and bathroom breaks and the facilities are very very comfortable. Charging is generally faster than filling our Honda Pilot with gasoline.

[@LarryButler-kp3se]

@@brucemacneil Every EV charger station here is an afterthought in back of some parking lot exposed to whatever is falling from the sky. There isn't ever even a windshield wash bucket or trashcan nearby. You can hike to the host store to beg for their restroom. Unlike the warm, full service, fully covered gas station's attendant serviced lanes regularly cleaned and filled with paper towels, clean windshield wash soapy water and overseen so unprofitable dead pumps are fixed in hours not weeks like EV stalls. Why do rich EV buyers put up with this crap? Handicapped ICE drivers only have to ask and the attendant will service you.

[@BioniqBob]

Go lie down

[@Cik2001]

All is good unless you got battery issues due scratched floor battery plastic cover . . .

[@MrSammotube]

I am going to spend a couple of weeks in Canada in 2025 and I want to hire an EV for the trip as I don't want to pollute such a beautiful country and also I think it will be fun!

[@brucemacneil]

@@MrSammotube Canada is huge and every part is great in its own way.

[@MrSammotube]

@@brucemacneil I love it. I am from the UK, but Canada is special and I think also a great place to experience on the road (but I have never actually hired a car there before). I will report back, but so many things to see and do. Looking forward to it, even if it is in about a year's time!

[@grahamdutton6683]

is this video trolling us ?

[@ribo2007]

Yes

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

This was painful to watch. We had to turn it off.

[@philipwandzilak4057]

The fact you had to soak a piece of your charger unit with water (I presume warm or hot) before disengaging the charging unit is a non-started for most people. I'm really surprised you are still breathing while making this video. Based upon the number of subscribers to your channels I suspect this was probably you first and probably will be your last video that you upload to your channel based upon your carelessness in handling and general overall knowledge about electricity and the dangers of mishandling, etc. I'm really surprised you are not standing in a tub of water when you handle charging your electrical toy instead of bank of snow. Who in their right mind would install a half-ass home charging unit outside of their home exposed to extreme elements that can place you and everything directly around the charging unit in direct path of harms way.

[@davidmenasco5743]

Outdoor charging equipment is designed to charge cars outdoors. So, for example, during the rain and the snow. You know, practically every submarine ever built uses electric motors for propulsion when submerged. It's not magic either, it's called "engineering."

[@ribo2007]

Pouring water over a live high voltage power supply. You should post a warning disclaimer before your video started. I get it, now that you own an EV you will evangelise about them but get real man.

[@loualiberti4781]

That’s a good way to cut down overpopulation.

[@davidmenasco5743]

Outdoor charging equipment is designed to charge cars outdoors. So, for example, during the rain and the snow. You know, practically every submarine ever built uses electric motors for propulsion when submerged. It's not magic either, it's called "engineering."

[@snorrekofod-ht5er]

Ah. If you pay attention, you'll notice that he unplugged the charger from the electrical outlet before walking in to get the water. So no danger or wrong doing. Actually he showed the correct way of dying this. 😊

[@Logan_Simmons]

Guess you missed him unplugging first.

[@BioniqBob]

Like it never rains on hydro lines.

[@tonypham9220]

I’d never get a e-v!!!! 😂

[@BioniqBob]

Enjoy the E-bus.

[@rockinrob6853]

You lost me at “ everything should be electric”… bye.

[@aaron___6014]

Thanks for saving me time.

[@rockinrob6853]

got yer back bro. @@aaron___6014

[@davidmenasco5743]

I guess you never heard of a little thing called Climate Change.

[@aaron___6014]

@@davidmenasco5743 how far do we go to reduce climate change though. Because the best solution would be nuclear, no independent travel except for human powered, regulated and restricted diets, government regulated and minimal ultra dense housing, no independent shopping. Basically the best thing to prevent it is to eliminate all freedoms. So you're saying let's get started?

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@aaron___6014You ask an important question. Before answering, we have to ask first, what's at stake. How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in, broadly speaking. I'd say, a little inconvenience now is a small price to pay if it makes the difference that is needed. Of course there are many moving parts to the overall problem. I have looked at a lot of them. It's kind of a hobby of mine, partly because I'm just curious about things. Here's the bottom line: Oil extraction, refining and transport are expensive and polluting enterprises. Being capital intensive means that they get massive government subsidies, and at the same time are massively profitable (a classic case of "capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich"), leading to extreme concentrations of wealth and power. (The subsidies alone amount to 7% of global GDP). These concentrations of power actually distort the democratic process anywhere fossil fuel companies feel they have a stake. Meanwhile, EVs are about 3 times more efficient than ICE vehicles (maybe 2x to 5x depending on what you count and how). They also run on electricity, which can be generated by solar and wind power with battery storage (these technologies can be built out in half the time and one third the cost of nuclear - and time is a critical factor in dealing with climate change, as noted above - but this doesn't mean nuclear couldn't also play a role). So in the long run, the energy transition will have three additional benefits beyond solving the climate crisis. 1) Lower the health impacts of air pollution and water contamination. 2) Reduced total cost of energy for transportation. 3) Liberating governments everywhere from the de facto veto power currently exercised by fossil fuel companies over both policy and legislation. I'd say taking all these things together makes the energy transition seem like a great idea that can't be implemented fast enough. As for the cars, there are advantages and disadvantages of both EV and ICE. But in the long run, only EVs will be part of the solution to climate change. And in the long run, two things will be true: 1) EV owners will have just about all the freedoms that ICE owners have today, plus a few that they don't have (for example, the ability to generate your own fuel at home for free after your solar/storage system is paid off in 7 years). 2) History students will see the breaking of the oil companies' grip as one of the greatest acts of human liberation in history. And I haven't even touched the geopolitics of oil supply control.

[@petermercer5968]

Many people just don't have the time for charging a car. And EV are a load of crap

[@davidwebber8356]

Charge at home! And EV's are fantastic and reliable. Talk to anyone that owns one. Just sayin

[@davidmenasco5743]

It's funny how anti-EV folks wear these photographic negative glasses where black is white and vice versa. The biggest reason why EV drivers switch to electric is because it saves money. And yes I know, you've been told that the opposite is true - but that's propaganda at work. Likewise, one of the main reasons why EV drivers love driving EV is that it saves them time. Plug in at night, start the day, or week, with a full charge (or whatever level you have selected). No more trips to the gas station, no more breathing those carcinogenic fumes. The cars are safer (yes, the propaganda has told you otherwise). They handle better, are quieter and need less maintenance. Of course there are trade-offs in life and each type of car has advantages and disadvantages. But one disadvantage of ICE vehicles is that, collectively, they are major contributors to climate change, which is a much more serious problem than you have been led to believe. How quickly we stop burning fossil fuels will determine how much food your great grandkids have to eat for dinner. That's the basic situation we're in.

[@BioniqBob]

Circle of life, gasoline is the new dinosaur.