Hyundai Veloster N DCT | A Better GTI?

We review the updated 2021 Hyundai Veloster N with a dual-clutch automated manual gearbox. The recent changes to software, transmission, and performance warrant a new look at the Veloster and N brand. While the Type R dominates the FWD performance scene from an engineering perspective, the Veloster dials up the fun and accessibility. We detail the changes good and bad. As fun and affordable sports cars become rarer, if you love them, buy them. The VW Golf R, GTI Civic Type R, Miata, Focus RS, and Subaru STI, are the other options.
#Hyundai #velostern #dct
2020 Veloster N Manual:
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Index
00:00 - 00:35 Intro
00:35 - 2:37 Interior Impressions and Audio Tests
2:37 - 08:51 Mechanical, Suspension, Body, Weight Balance, and Transmission
8:51 - 15:25 Driving Impressions
15:25 Final Thoughts

[@shadowsocks7472]

Since ordering a SG tshirt I've been buzzing my head, screaming at minivans, and making thinly veiled comments about putting people in my trunk. I've never been happier.

[@asdewq9683]

never buy a car soon to be discontinued.

[@truckerrickakamanowar]

@@asdewq9683 Might be more of a reason to buy one. People always want what they can't have. Some will pay a premium when they do.

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

🤣

[@Whomecouldntb3]

I can genuinely appreciate what Hyundai is trying to do with this car.

[@grantapalooza998]

I wish more people did Cause I feel like people never truly appreciate the cars we have until it's too late and they're old.

[@dragospahontu]

@@grantapalooza998 the Hyundai feels half assed, they could've done so much more with this thing.

[@truckerrickakamanowar]

I always root for the Veloster.

[@MLHunt]

@@dragospahontu They deliberately engineered it to a price point, a business decision I don't really take issue with. It'll be interesting to see what the aftermarket comes up with for it. If they actually sell a lot of these that'll make it more likely that performance enhancements for it will be developed.

[@gwcrispi]

@@dragospahontu No, they did what they did ON PURPOSE! Those of us that bought one, don't want to spend more for a nice interior that we don't look at. We don't want to spend more for a stereo that we turn off. This is a $32,500 (what I paid) hot hatch that can go from the showroom to the track without any modifications... and you can have a blast.

[@ronallen81]

The return of the door close cam How i missed you

[@gwcrispi]

I've had DCT since January. Six track days and 50+ autocross runs later I've had zero issues. Coolant and Oil have never gotten too hot. Brake performance has been great. I still have half of my pads left which is just nuts. The interior is cheap, don't care, don't have time to look at it. Seats are great for the track, so-so for the street, very thin. My biggest gripe is the tires. Wish they had gone with Michelin PS4S. A stiffer sway bar from Whiteline fixes the understeer to a large degree. While I love flicking through the gears myself on track, I've found that TrackSense mode is faster than me.

[@robbylebotha]

Doesn't coolant always get hot, in every car? Do you mean engine overheating. Just curious, I've never heard anyone say coolant got hot.

[@gwcrispi]

@@robbylebotha "too hot"

[@robbylebotha]

@@gwcrispi ok, what coolant temperature is "too hot" ? Pardon my ignorance but as far as I know, the need stays centre and if it passes there then there's a problem either with your thermostat, pump or fan.

[@gwcrispi]

@@robbylebotha Nah, in the Performance options you get a digital readout of several things down to the exact degree. I have Coolant Temp and Oil Temp on that screen when I am racing. I know what "normal" is from driving. Coolant around 200 and Oil in the low 200's to 250. So I know if they're going up. The needle indicator near the Tach is bogus. The pointer is just below 9 o'clock (normal) as soon as the temp gets to 140. From 140 to 200 the needle doesn't move any more. I posted on this on the Veloster N forum.

[@robbylebotha]

@@gwcrispi ok now I get you, thank you mate

[@MrDolphinDives]

I watched this video and then 4 hours later had to call my doctor. He said, you've been watching Savage Geese again haven't you?

[@AgroAaronFpv]

I recently drove the N on one of my favorite back roads. I currently drive mk7 GTI and I can say that I wish I hadn't driven the N..lol 🤦‍♂️ I know there's a lot of haters out there, but the truth is, the N absolutely crushes the GTI when it comes to handling, driving feel and fun. Great video!!

[@rwolfcastle]

Let people hate. Honda for a long time had a stigma as well. Road and Track named the N performance car of the year in 2020. So regardless of what people think of the brand the Veloster N is doing something right. Thanks to Albert Biermann. Yes, it comes with compromise but the car is an absolute blast to drive and is backed by a good warranty and three years free maintenance. (That's what my dealer gave me)

[@Riki-io4yd]

For a car line that began as a sporty-looking Accent, this ride has come a loooong way. In a few years a lot of younger drivers are goin' to engage in some adventures!

[@braetonwilson4296]

I question the long-term reliability of the turbo engine and DCT. Lot of Hyundai dealerships refuse to honor warranty too, saying they can't replicate the problem or you didn't do the required maintenance. I would rather buy a 2021 Corolla SE sedan.

[@wigletron2846]

@@braetonwilson4296 is anything in this segment really reliable anymore? Everything is direct injection turbo, dct or cvt. Some 6 speeds still available though

[@braetonwilson4296]

@@wigletron2846 Mazda's naturally aspirated engine plus 6 speed auto is probably the only one.

[@wigletron2846]

@@braetonwilson4296 yea that would be more reliable. Not really a hot hatch though

[@MJ_868]

If it lasts that long

[@andrewl6751]

This was one of the best car reviews I have ever seen, you obviously drive these cars to way higher levels than the average car review and have answered way more of my questions.

[@djmcwill1010]

Firmly agree. Just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago and every vid is what I would deliver if I put my very best foot forward. This is a near as damnit flawless channel with information delivered by a clearly seasoned, sensible, passionate, and intelligent dude. I'm a recovering "car guy" who has turned a wrench far too many times and I basically align with 100-percent of the info in these vids that I can relate to, so I absolutely trust the stuff that's news to me

[@glenniz1]

Been watching this channel for the last couple of years, and I truly cannot believe how in-depth and intelligent this program has become. By Far The Best Automotive Review Channel on KZbin....In fact, so good, that my daughter just purchased her first brand new car, a 2022 Hyundai Elantra, based on Mark and Jack's opinions! Thanks Guys!!!

[@gustavogo2915]

@@glenniz1 I’m sorry to hear eye got that cheap cars

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Last time I was this early SavageGeese was still living with his mom and spending every paycheck on upgrading his supercharged BRZ GT86.

[@TheLoopy029]

Thank christ theres a channel that talks technical changes instead of saying "feels better"

[@kc64cl76]

I've owned a 2019 GTI rabbit edition manual and up until today, a GLI 35th anniversary edition manual . Yesterday I took the N DCT out for a 1 1/2 hour test drive (by myself of course). I then went straight to the VW dealer and drove a GTI Autobahn DSG for an hour. I wanted to compare the two dual clutches. I had never driven the VW DSG 7 speed, I drove the 6-speed DSG a few years ago, thought it was good but still opted for a manual. I am a VW fan, have owned several, thought the GTI was the best for the money in the segment. It is hard to put into words how superior the N is compared to a GTI DSG. The GTI seems sluggish, slow and soft and unrefined by comparison. I was kind of shocked once I had the proper perspective. The N is far more refined than the 7 gen GTI, yes I said it, more refined, much more. The 8th gen GTI will be out in a few months, imo there is no way it will catch up to the 2021 DCT N, not a chance. The N is fast, really fast, each upshift rockets you forward and it just keeps pulling. The regular automatic mode is the best I've ever driven, it shifts like you're using the paddles. I traded my GLI and bought an N today.

[@khronin]

I just got a Kona N and the DCT is as good as the ones in 100k cars.I think in a tech manual it matches the shift times of the dct or dsg in a 2020 ferrari model and shifts as good as an RS5 I have driven.Its a new wet clutch and having owned and driven many cars--hyundais has come a long way.I also had owned a 2020 stinger GT 3.3TT for a while and that ZF 8 speed auto was also fantastic--better then the ones in chargers and benzes.it also auto rev matches when you take turns in it without using the brake and does so with the precision and smoothness of a high end watch.Iv only had it a few days and it is my favorite car i have had.

[@Harry-uq9qd]

the boost feature they added to make it feel more like a video game is pretty fun imo.

[@Bolero6879]

@Yirlani you need to enjoy life more, have some fun

[@ctcdarkness]

@Yirlani calm down bro, a lot of cars nowadays feel more like a video game. People like you need to lighten the fuck yo and stop trying to suck the fun out of everything. Let the man have as he stated in his comment, his own opinion. You say grow up but I can guarantee you’re some teenager trying to act all big on the internet 😂 but good one bud. Lighten up and don’t take everything so hard, it’s not a dick. It was an observation.

[@BaldKiwi117]

@Yirlani lol how miserable must your life be?

[@weilandcock]

@Yirlani how the hell is enjoying an overboost feature parallel to your theory of men lol. I am genuinely shocked that people like you function well enough to use the internet.

[@wizzy25]

@Yirlani I just threw up in my mouth after reading your comment

[@xuimod]

Wow, you guys seriously need 1M+ subs. The insight and knowledge you guys go into as far as driving dynamics is unmatched. The closest I can think is the Best Motoring videos from Japan but that's in a different language and a lot of their videos don't have English subs. And I love how you guys are able to talk about things seriously (too many car reviewers act like cartoon characters 100% of the time). The level of detail you guys go into (with the driving experience to back it up) is ridiculous in a good way. Thank you!

[@isaacsanchez8658]

SG is heavily slept on.

[@jetrep]

I agree. I've been watching the SG videos for so long now I've grown accustomed to it and almost expect it but go watch nearly all other channels then you truly appreciate how great these videos are and how much work these guys put into them.

[@topperharley8322]

Feel it's more important that every subscriber they do have watch the videos and allow the ads to play or support on patreon. No point in having a million subs but not having useful revenues.

[@benoit.b9337]

@@topperharley8322 I second this, the ads provide a small form of revenue to support the hard work.

[@UseYourrNoodle]

You should check out JDM Masters. They’ve got some good in depth looks at some classic JDM cars, in English too.

[@tx4runner459]

Lol the Gangnam style on the Apple CarPlay was too comedic. Y’all are too good lol

[@xray111xxx]

Now Hyundai is getting respect. When a GTi and Type R are in the conversation, that means this is not a garbage rattle box we knew from not such a distant time. Hyundai/Kia have worked hard to put themselves on the map as cars you want. And yeah, I really want this car. Purity of form, value, the Type R is wonderful, but the styling is too much. I am not 18 anymore, I was and am a Subaru fan too, but geez Hyundai has gotten on my radar. Also the Genesis G70 was/is a car I can be happy with when the jacked up station wagon craze leaves my system. I love what you guys do. Your production values are always tops. I don't know your camera system and resources, but my oh my I have never seen better. Truly professional. Truly well done.

[@ThunderGoatz]

*falls apart inside 200k kms*

[@xray111xxx]

@@ThunderGoatz Progress takes time, plus with the purchasing habits changing all the time, 200kms may not be a factor. Plus, there is always leasing so you give it back before the Gremlins happen. Time will get Hyundai and Kia where they need to be. Toyota status? I don't know, but at least they are going in the right direction.

[@00J3553]

@@xray111xxx Hyundai warranty is one of the best right now. People used to say the same thing about Toyotas years ago that they are junk and will fall apart. My last Elantra had over 350000km on it and ran like it was brand new.

[@markmiller3279]

@@ThunderGoatz Oh, right, that old, old line. Hyundais are modern cars built pretty much like any others. There is no reason whatsoever to think they'll fall apart. Cars don't do that anymore.

[@bobbyaustralia8509]

It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing fwd” in their own right, they’re straight murdering Volkswagen.

[@jax1079]

Was so incredibly impressed by this car when I had it a few months ago. I just love its vibe and its exuberance. The fact that it exists is a positive for enthusiasts. Excellent review as always. 👍🏻

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

All hail the mighty Jax!

[@dhtm3577]

My son just got a 2020 N Manual (almost new). I’m old, but love racing cars. I never owned one. We rented several cars to 1) teach clutch, and 2) compare speed, handling, etc. C7 Z51, Polaris Singshot, 370z, WRX, Miata RF. I loved the Corvette. More power than I’m able to control on a road, but great and scary- if you got $$. 370z had good acceleration, and good handling, but not like a Miata (also decade old design). The Miata was just too damn slow! Polaris was a blast but not super fast and impractical for daily driving. WRX is a good car, but I hated the turbo lag. Then there’s the Veloster N. Never drove one until we test drove and purchased it. Funnest, best handling on back roads at frightening, perfectly planted balls-out speeds. It was the R&T 2020 Performance Car of the Year! It beat out some of the best cars out there! I could care less about the interior. It’s functional and comfortable. I don’t need to spend $90k+ for leather and electric, heated seats and steering wheels or Bose speakers. It kicks ass and is an absolute rocket that you aren’t afraid of sliding off the road. Great review guys!! Thanks 🙏

[@noobpower1996]

This video and the 2021 rework made me pull the trigger. just got back from my local dealer and got a Veloster N in performance blue with the DCT. Thanks SavageGeese.

[@namjanamja747]

d u like it?

[@mixmixed.comics3002]

Did u?

[@aldrichemrys]

did?

[@sky-ih9cu]

I have a 2021 in PB also..love it..so much fun to drive

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

that audio description XD

[@OnTheRocks71]

@Scott Myers Also if you stream music from a phone, check to see if your phone has an adjustable EQ. I've had a few lease cars with truly terrible radios but can fine tune the audio on my phone to get some surprisingly good results. My Fusion has a "Premium 210 watt 11 speaker" audio system and it's mostly garbage UNLESS I'm streaming audio from my smartphone.

[@PacoRobbins]

@Scott Myers been thinking about doing that with mine down the road. I've got an annoying rattle from the passenger side speaker that's there at pretty much any volume above 6-7. For what it is, I can't complain. I enjoy it. It's about on par with the Bose system that was in my Speed3.

[@sky-ih9cu]

I have this car in PB and love it!!! One of the most fun cars I have ever driven.. I think Hyundai did a great job with the performance and fun factor of this car for 35K..well that's the price when I bought it in January 2021..

[@TheRealJohnWack]

I own a PB as well and completely agree!

[@MrMortadella1]

“There’s so much harmonic distortion, there’s such a lack of clarity and it’s very bass heavy” SG unwittingly describing the music industry since the mid 90s. Or maybe wittingly and he’s what we all suspected all along. A cultural icon that we never asked for but desperately need.

[@aceofspades6667]

hey man I like to hear my auto-tune distortion free ;-)

[@darylaarons6625]

Sadly, in this age of electronically produced music, a lot of people don’t know what music is supposed to sound like. Some will think it sounds good just because it has enough bass to rattle the windows.

[@MrMortadella1]

@@darylaarons6625 agreed. Heavy bass for home theater movies?-fantastic. For actual music? Uhhh...no except when used to further disguise some of the crap and redundancy that’s being churned out as music these days.

[@12ealDealOfficial]

*Mainstream* music has sucked for about that long, I agree. I thought this was a phenomenon of the last twelve years specifically, but I was playing a Burnout game with licensed music in it from the mid '00s, and every track but two was bland, studio garbage. With time, the actual decent to good stuff that the labels ignore will be more commonly associated with this era. My money's on Dirty Loops, Twin Shadow, and Caleb Hawley.

[@darylaarons6625]

If Hyundai keeps improving their vehicles at the current rate, it’s not out of the question that I may own one in the future. It’s still a hard pill to swallow for a guy who grew up when the Hyundai Pony was introduced. Keep it up Hyundai.

[@bobbyaustralia8509]

It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si

[@kiwan5425]

Remember how Samsung and LG wiped out Japanese electronic giants?

[@stephenhendricks103]

Three time GTI owner here. But I've also owned two KIA Sorentos so I don't have an unfounded prejudice against Korean vehicles. When the Veloster N was introduced I thought it was an appealing track toy but little else. The upgrades including what is apparently a vastly improved Hyundai DCT have reduced the distance between the Veloster N and the GTI but I'd still stick with my GTI. Reasons? It's inside where I spend my time interacting with a vehicle and the interior features and trim of my Autobahn GTI are far more appealing than the Veloster. The "N" still looks and feels like an econobox from the driver's seat. Secondly, the external appearance of the "N" doesn't quite match the inflated Hot Wheels looks of the Civic Type R but it comes close. And I'm not 12 years old. Finally, among the features of the GTI I value most is its versatility in terms of its mission. When needed the generous and highly usable cargo space of the GTI comes close to or exceeds that of the Veloster and even subcompact SUVs its size. And while the unique 3rd door of the Veloster makes the rear seat more accessible than would be the case with a 2 door coupe, the GTI does it one better with four doors. I'm impressed by the specs of the Veloster's engine but I've long ago learned that (a) VW's engine specs for its remarkable EA888 engine are typically understated and (b) major increases in both HP and torque can be had with a 30 minute Stage I tune of the GTI's ECU. (Contrary to a common misunderstanding such a tune does not invalidate the GTI's warranty.) All in all, Mr. Biermann and his associates continue to do an outstanding job on Hyundai and KIA vehicles. But I wouldn't give up my GTI for a Veloster N.

[@MyMusiKfaVorite]

hence, GTI is more of all arounder for sure

[@MyerShift7]

Don't forget all the carbon buildup and generally frail mechanicals and excessive plastics in the VW engines.

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@MyerShift7 Old wives' tales and internet nonsense. Over the course of owning 3 GTI's I've never experienced ANY of those issues.

[@REVlogue]

i have been dying for you to do a review on the DCT version since you're one of the few outlets that would have an honest unbiased opinion! thanks.

[@drumflip1253]

Own a 2021 DCT. Always loved hot hatches owned several GTI’s, 2 mazdaspeed3, civic and a AMG GLA 45. This car is my favorite, performance, fun, exhaust is fantastic and the ability to adjust everything easily is amazing for $33,500. Oh and 0-60 in 4.8 ain’t bad either.

[@drumflip1253]

@@Guy_on_KZbin I bought mine used. Got lucky, it has 1600 miles on it and got it for $31,998. I actually ended up selling it for more when I traded it in for a Kona N recently. It’s a strange market. But with the warranty Hyundai has I recommend buying used for less than dealer mark ups on new ones.

[@BikesandBriar]

@@drumflip1253 crazy enough, the dealers are marking up the used ones too. At least here in California.

[@drumflip1253]

@@BikesandBriar I’m in SoCal and in vista they have a used one from $37,800 pretty crazy it’s more than a new one.

[@pnwdweler4100]

@@Guy_on_KZbin just bought one for MSRP in Gresham, Oregon. Paid just over $33K for a manual version. They wanted $2k over MSRP, but some hard negotiating got them to bring down the price.

[@khronin]

@@drumflip1253 I also just got a kona N.I had a 2020 Stinger and it also shot up in value.I own my kona N and was able to pocket 10k.I actually wanted an AMG Gla 45 when i got my Stinger--but at over 60k i just decided to get a stinger.The set DCT in the Kona is one of the best trannies on any car under 70k--I think in a tech manual it is shifting as fast as one in a 2020 ferrari.

[@abcdLeeXY]

When the geese videos are 15+ mins we are in for a treat.

[@benoit.b9337]

They can make 20 min reviews a thing. Every car they review becomes so interesting to watch and to listen about.

[@lfox02]

@@benoit.b9337 Oh, even the hour long ones. It's just excellent.

[@fuhrerhosty]

I always cheer a little when I see a new SG review pop up that is significantly longer than 10 minutes. When it's nearing or over 30 minutes I'm nearing the ecstasy feeling.

[@lfox02]

@@fuhrerhosty It honestly makes my day

[@chriscowan6630]

Next level editing off the top...bravo you guys! One of the many reasons why this is one of the best automotive channels on KZbin

[@xsaver23]

I didnt wait long enough, I got one last monday. Great review. Car has been amazing

[@oghi]

I'm from Europe and I'm waiting for the I30n 2022 with the dual clutch. Thank you for your time and energy to make these videos.

[@yuolo9979]

It's because of this video that I got the Red 2021 Veloster N DCT! Thank you SG you guys have done such a great job with this vid that it convinced me to actually by this car! No regrets thank you thank you!

[@NGMonocrom]

Had to sub. to your channel. It's the only independent car channel on KZbin that doesn't frickin' lie to me in the reviews!

[@hotdogy12345]

I'm a manual guy all the way. I have a Manual Veloster R Spec and I absolutely love it... But DAMN this DCT looks amazing!!

[@aoamchart]

The better GTI would have been the i30N (Elantra GT N), but we aren't getting it at this point. The US market is so obsessed with crap that doesn't matter, so we get the Veloster. I've got the normal Elantra GT as my daily beater, and I love the thing. The N version reminds me of the Mazdaspeed3.

[@phillipwagner6964]

I guarantee Hyundai would have sold way more i30N’s in North America in place of the veloster. That’s what kept me from getting an N.

[@johnnymichael1804]

The i30N sportback is SO damn sexy! I would gladly trade this for that.

[@markmiller3279]

We also have an ordinary Elantra GT, and respect its abilities as an everyday car. The N would be a fun extension if that practicality.

[@TTGamingTrinh]

Im happy with my gti purchased but i had a chance to drive the dct veloster N and it is real fun. Especially the exhaust noise. What swayed me to the gti was the comfort and interior. It’s my daily so it had to hit all of those points

[@gustavogo2915]

Why didn’t you get the 2022 WRX?

[@davidholomakoff4514]

I actually appreciate the audio reviews lol

[@champion5545]

Ordered a 2022 DCT recently. So excited

[@aquaisuseful682]

I love my N DCT. Its just perfect for me. I love your video! Best Decision I’ve ever made

[@Wvlfmane]

Yup I just got a Blue ‘21 DCT, I absolutely love it.

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

People who want a nicer interior can soon get the new Elantra N, already looking forward to your review.

[@24Coup]

I love how serious you guys are, 10/10 would buy you both a pint.

[@josephhodges718]

I absolutely love my 2017 Elantra Sport 6MT. The 8-speed DCT they introduced for this car is absolutely beautiful but nothing makes me want to not be able to row. Watching your videos and TheStraightPipes got me into it! Thanks :)

[@CarsNVideoGames]

I know you've been doing the slide shot at 0:36 for a while, but it is such a cool shot and glad you continue to do it!

[@basithph8958]

As much as I would always go for the manual for cars like the Veloster N, the DCT is a huge improvement for Hyundai/Kia especially compared to the past DCTs they had in their cars And also they put the right setup for the gear lever like how it should have been in the beginning especially how a manual gear works and how it follows the momentum of the car Porsche also got it right with the PDK too

[@Mr.Thermistor7228]

same man, every car ive owned has been manual, this would change that cause i definitely get the dual clutch its just too good to not get imo

[@gustavogo2915]

@@Mr.Thermistor7228 did you get this car? I got another manual five months ago. 2022 WRX Premium

[@Poorschedriver]

All the praise you offered the DCT is exactly where Subaru went wrong. I applaud any manufafturer that keeps 3 pedals, but Subaru has made a critical error not developing a DCT for the WRX/STi. The VN is seriously the performance bargain of the century, it's like a cheat code IRL.

[@justa64falconsprint]

thanks guy's. best reviews by far!

[@johnnymichael1804]

This has Albert Biermanns handy work all over it.

[@117twarner]

Bought a blue DCT fresh off truck, love every second in it

[@toddstevens8506]

Great review. Fun car for those folks who live out in the country but probably not the best hot hatch for the other 75ish% percent of us that live in urban/suburban environments. Btw, after watching for a couple years, I think this is the best car channel available now.

[@SharpPoland]

That was the best car review I have ever watched on KZbin. Thanks savagegeese

[@Parker53151]

Nice to see that the croplands are greening up. SG really needs to add some reviews of John Deere tractors.

[@rafaelcordoba13]

On this channel, I press like before I press play!

[@obamacarreviews1043]

KANYE WEST

[@benwnl7101]

I literally was searching for a review on the dct and you magically just uploaded one an hour ago.

[@lucagattoni-celli1377]

I started watching SavageGeese and my car enthusiasm turned into car obsession, giving me even less to talk about with most other people. Now I cannot look at a car without thinking about its suspension components. I see stamped steel everywhere. Thank you, Messers. Goose!

[@blamergamerofficialchannel26]

This video was 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Does it come with pre saved Gangnam Style or you ordered that from dealership?

[@DugEphresh]

Seriously tired of hearing these review hacks complain (blah blah blah) cheap plastic interior. This material is a low-cost weight reduction design. Instead of crying about it all the time please provide your solution to cost vs weight. I love reviews that actually give solutions to the problems that are constantly an issue. This is a really amazing technical review and the best one I have found to justify an actual purchase for the technology and warranty!!!!!!!!!!! Keep up the great work My Geese and Pipes!

[@OnlyLivedOnce]

I went from an 2011 Mini Cooper Clubman to a 2016 Cooper S Countryman, both 6speed. Live north of Tampa where the steepest speedbumps aren't marked so I'm happy for the extra 3inches all around, being able to fit a stroller in back as well. Those "Fun to drive Countryman'" were phased out after 2016. Next car will be a used Bronco base or a used Quadrifoglio of some sort. I'm definitely a sports car guy who never has bias toward any sport. This seems like a worthy car for my son in ten or so years! Another great video. Thanks guys.

[@a_funyun]

Subscribing to savagegeese has left me with a feeling of uncontrollable power I've previously only felt after activating my almonds.

[@surferbone82]

Great review. I drive a manual, but I appreciate Hyundai's efforts in developing a DCT in-house that improves performance and makes the car more accessible to more people. I also find it interesting that folks consider a $34k hot hatch "affordable". With a household median income of $61k a year in the US, I feel like we're setting expectations a little high and encouraging people to buy cars they can't afford by labeling it as "affordable". Believe me when I say I've been on car forums where someone's asked if it's a bad decision to trade in a car that they still owe $12k with no equity for a brand NEW "affordable" $28k car.

[@TheTinotinotino]

Nice job guys !! We love this affordable sport cars review keep it up

[@tommylee4135]

Can't wait for future N products. Great review!

[@AstreaGT]

I love my GTI but I understand when comparing these 2 cars, in sacrifice of speed you gain a little luxury. You can always tune your GTI a bit to catch up ;) I feel a bit more grown up in a GTI.

[@janoycresnova9156]

GTI is much more luxurious and practical. It's not even close.

[@garthly]

Yes, two people can sit in comfort in the back of the GTI.

[@najminmalcusis15]

The GTI will be MUCH faster than an N once tuned and we are talking about the MK7, now that the MK8 clubsport GTI with 300 HP and a DSG came out, I would never look at the N. Imagine Stage 1 on that clubsport GTI MK8, I would have everything from comfort to practicality to smoking any N on the street.

[@Booshka823]

@@najminmalcusis15 Uh...until the N is similarly modified. There are already 400whp with built internal cars prowling the US streets and highways as we speak. Lap3 is one company doing these mods as is Sxth element for milder (~350whp) mods.

[@najminmalcusis15]

@@Booshka823 here we go again. LOL. Lets teach you a little about tuning. The 400whp Veolester Ns are all on METH while the MK7 will do it on pump. The fastest they could run with that 400WHP N was still in the 12 SECONDS, while the MK7 just broke RECORD FOR 10 seconds on STOCK BLOCK. The N in NO WAY can tune like the MK7 will in any form while the N should in reality be compared to the MK8. The MK8 GTI with a single piggy back is doing the same timing 100-200 of an M3. SPEAK TO ANY TUNER, the way the Ns ENGINE is designed it will NEVER be able to gain as much power as the MK7 platform let alone the MK8 platform The second tuning is involved the N will be out of the picture Btw the MK7 platform that came out 8 years ago was doing 400whp by the 2nd year. The sad truth is the N is still far behind. I don't understand why people try to argue this, The N was meant for corners, and will ruin any MK7 around the track, it wasn't meant to be for straight line racing, from the gearing ratios to the way the engine puts down power. This is what your N made with 50% METH 480BHP Veloster N 2.0T - LAP3 GTX2867 Turbo Upgrade The World's most powerful N is back again with 411ps/51.82kgm (405whp/375ft-lbs) on dynojet after 15-20% drivetrain loss. We addressed the stock 2.0T GDI fueling limitation with a WMI system. The customer brought boost juice(50% methanol content) for tuning, and we finalized the mapping just over 400WHP all the way to the redline with peak boost of 24psi. We unlocked the redline to 7200RPM for a broader power band! ( 50% METH) LOL. Look at ANY GTI with those SAME MODS and it will be over 500HP AND 440WHP. APR STAGE 2 for mk7 GTI WITHOUT METH OR TURBO UPGRADE gives you 330WHP. Keep trying and crying

[@Snickerguy19]

I don't know how you reviewed this car and didn't mention that beautiful exhaust! The sound is amazing! How do they make this 4 banger sound so great but the twin turbo V6 Stinger sounds like a vacuum cleaner??

[@savagegeese]

We covered it more on original video. In person it sounds more tin can like unfortunately

[@frf1670]

@@savagegeese the DCT has a quieter exhaust than the Manual variant. Hyundai used different designs for the mufflers. Lots of DCT owners in Korea are switching over to the manual axleback. All this needs is a resonator delete to open up the sound.

[@MegaHusseinhussein]

I bought the elantra n line, i was super impressed with speed of the shifting and fun daily driver!!!.

[@freerider604]

Excellent review Mark & Jack 😎👍

[@jeffc1347]

Just bought an Ioniq and I love it. Used to do valet and I loved the Veloster those things are so much fun, no doubt in my mind Hyundai/Kia make the best cars for the money these days. They have excellent warranties as well.

[@aeromotive2]

some niggling problems on my kia forte gt though, barely used.. i dunno if its just mine or wider quality issues. Had a honda civic sport touring (which I didnt love) never had a single problem

[@Tysonator1981]

Great review again! I had a 2013 Focus ST and It was unbearable to drive on the street for more than 30 minutes. I bought it brand new and sold it a year later. Loved the twitchyness of it, but hated daily driving it. I love the honesty of your reviews. Keep it up! 👍👍👍

[@guenthersteiner8163]

Why was it unbearable, the stiffness?

[@Xenon0000000000001]

I had a 2015 Focus ST for 4 years and always thought the ride was quite compliant. The A35 that I've got now has much stiffer suspension.

[@Tysonator1981]

@@guenthersteiner8163 yes very stiff suspension and unforgiving seats. Which is fine if you want to rip it up, but not everyday all the time

[@frankENZC]

Excellent review guys. Very comprehensive. Thanks!

[@jamesnicol3831]

have a Kona N spec coming in mid February this excellent revue was encouraging and informative I am 73 yes old and need the kona platform

[@MrTuberguy9]

Great review from these guys, as always! Have driven both the Type R and the updated Veloster N. My two cents: Type R had staggering amounts of turn in, precision, road feel. On the track or if you want to log best numbers, that's the bomb. But the Veloster N DCT was even more fun to drive. The power was smoother, more predictable. The steering and road feel are sublime. Between these cars, it's a matter of preference, they're both incredibly good and both more fun than cars costing A LOT more that I've driven. The GTI is a great option if you don't mind numbing the driving experience a bit and need this to be your DD commuter car. The 2015 + and 2022 WRX is a great option if you need AWD and want total practicality and bang for the buck with in a very competent package. I drove a WRX with Michilin Pilots and was blown away by how fast it could move through familiar corners. The WRX and it will hold up against a lot of competition. But the most fun to drive of all of these overall, to me, was the Veloster N. Only bummer is that there aren't more of these kinds of cars around. All of them VERY capable and entertaining. Having driven all the cars mentioned, hope this helps with decision between them. They're all great, just different flavors.

[@khronin]

In 2020 I got a Stinger GT 3.3TT AWD instead of a Type R--the Type R had to be revved to get any speed while my Stinger felt like a NA V8 Muscle car.I also wanted a decent stock drag car to goto public drag and the stinger did not dissapoint.I aslo put geomet cross drilled and vented rotors on all 4s for road courses but the Stinger skyrocketed in price and i sold it--had a Mazda Cx-30 turbo for the last 6 months and just traded it dead even--had to pay 1k in taxes--and got a brand new 0 mile red kona N.I was actually able to pocket a little over 10k (after all is said and done) and although i do not have the stinger--I own my Kona N and have an extra 10k in my car bank account.The Kona N also has a lot of torque down low and it revs more then the stinger--but not like a Type R.I also will prob never get a car that sits low again now that they make sport CUV/small SUV--my stingers door sills and front skirts were so low that they were nicked and dinged--and even noticeably so after public drag night with rubber bouncing off the low skirts and door.

[@RSKev]

I met jack the other day and he had the red veloster, wanted to say cool car until I saw who it was😂

[@willesco5211]

Great video, I was waiting for a real car enthusiasm to reveal this vehicle 😀 thanks savages 👍

[@wesleyriley7963]

Im going to test drive one of these this weekend!

[@AarmOZ84]

I have driven one of these. It looks like an economy rental car and drives like a BMW. 😁

[@sky-ih9cu]

I own one..and owned a bimmer before.. that pretty much sums it up..lol....

[@gladdy02]

Cool car, I really hope it sells!

[@dragospahontu]

Hyundai is difficult to sell

[@dougrobinson8602]

@@dragospahontu Mostly because of the dealer experience. Lots of horror stories out there.

[@tjk9263]

@@dougrobinson8602 My mother went and bought a brand new Hyundai Palisade and within a month the power window motor blew and they gave her the hardest time about fixing it for free even having bought the warranty which covered it.

[@dragospahontu]

@@dougrobinson8602 ikr

[@dragospahontu]

@@tjk9263 classic Kia/Hyundai

[@JamesOrtonVideo]

These perform really well in the TC class, a championship in 2020 with Tyler Maxson and a driver in top 3 of standings this season. Good to hear its a capable contender with all the info you provided on it!

[@firstlast-zg9ms]

I work at a used car superstore and we got on of these in on a local trade. The exhaust noise and driving impression were fantastic for a Veloster. I definitely would consider this as a hot hatch option.

[@wildbillclinton2748]

Great video, will we get a film on the new Golf?

[@ikbendusan]

he should title it "Volkswagen Golf GTI | A Worse N DCT?"

[@Vazztudio]

Can anyone imagine a veloster N "R" with the corporate 2.5T tuneup for performance, awd, with a hardcore adjustable suspension and a much better selection of materials for the interior? This would definitely would place the veloster with the golf R and Honda type R

[@Booshka823]

...and be $50-60K easily.

[@markmiller3279]

They could possibly drop in the 2.5T for not too much more, but AWD would take major modifications, a hardcore suspension would have few takers and be too expensive, and a big upgrade of the interior would be tricky. The Veloster still has to sell in regular form as a cheap hatch, so the normal interior can't be upgraded significantly, and having to swap out major parts of the doors of dash for soft-touch materials would cost too much. The Civic already had a nice interior, so the Type R could get away with a few cosmetic upgrades.

[@kevinevringham7640]

@@markmiller3279 There would be wayyyy more than a 'few' takers if the car was AWD. Also it wouldn't take 'major modifications.' The fuel tank needs changed to open up a full driveshaft space but there is nothing else in the way. Next, Hyundai just needs to collaborate with Mitsubishi again -- the current N engine is a cousin of the 4B11 in the Mitsubishi Evo X. Frankly with not a lot of changes the 4B11 could probably be put in the Veloster N -- giving it one of the best handling and performing AWD systems available. Do that and sell the car for 40k -- lines of people would be there to drop their wallets.

[@JG-ns2jc]

I don't have the DCT, but I do have a 2020 Manual and I absolutely love this car. I've added quite a bit of performance mods and this thing is a beast now.

[@themanpreetgill]

This video is the reason I want to buy a GTI one day ❤️. Idk how many times I've come back and re watched this.

[@koichi.k1161]

Looks cool but the GTI is just so effortlessly good looking.

[@Junesba]

Agreed. Although, the new MK8 GTI design is a bit questionable...

[@Krauser1226]

@@Junesba as a Mk7 2 door owner, agreed. Not sure where their heads were at with the Mk8.

[@revnto7k]

I have the same opinion. The MK7 and 7.5 GTI's and R's are just so good looking, to me they are still the top choice.

[@MyerShift7]

Not the Mk VIII. It's a nasty cheap pig compared to its predecessors.

[@bobbyaustralia8509]

It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si

[@SDrever]

So glad that SG is pro-Veloster N. I nearly bought one last year to replace my ‘10 GTI (then a Camaro SS 1LE came into my life haha)

[@Booshka823]

Oddly enough they weren't when it first came out. The title of the old video mentioned "not great, not terrible..." and his review pretty much said it wasn't that good of a car. Did Hyundai leave a horse head in his bed? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eouWaGmCqr5lndU

[@markmiller3279]

@@Booshka823 They made dramatic improvements, much nicer than horse heads.

[@Booshka823]

@@markmiller3279 There are NOT dramatic improvements over the 2019-2020 N. Other than the DCT-stuff (like N-grin), optional seats and the base car now being the old performance package everything is exactly the same. The horsehead reference comes from the old Sicilian mafia way of convincing someone to agree with them by leaving a horsehead in your bed...if you continued to "disagree" with them your head was next. Since the first review was "meh" and this review is kind of "wow" I wondered what Hyundai did to change SGs mind.

[@safarfsaf]

@@Booshka823 I think he just felt he was a bit unfair the first time around. In context of what other cars have done lately, he feels he was too harsh.

[@moonlit28]

great review...

[@craigw.scribner6490]

16:05 A rare glitch in your otherwise excellently edited video (no sweat, Mark; I've been watching and enjoying your videos for years and this is the very first I've ever caught. I edit video myself and know how tough and time-consuming it can be). Keep up the great work--it is greatly appreciated!

[@savagegeese]

I released the first cut because I ran out of time to re upload. I saw and it and it was a rare case of f-it. But thanks for the kind words. Keep an eye on vids let me know if you catch anything else.

[@domteewhy52]

That dual clutch is a superb addition. I’m a manual preferred but facing the realities of what the next phases are in drivetrain evolution, this is a pleasant treat. Hoping the reliability (aside from warranty) is above the other dual clutch providers in that segment .

[@alstound]

If it’s programmed to shift aggressively, the dual-clutch will have just as much kick as a manual. I was a non-believer myself, till I tested one.

[@worldofz00]

Next phase for automobiles are EVs.

[@chuckcribbs3398]

This is your best review in awhile. The Veloster N is the king of hot hatches. For the money it’s a great value.

[@aircommandslipperz]

nahh..type r still the king but this is very decent hot hatch too

[@googleleavemynamealone9145]

@@layne4376 of COURSE the person who thinks that the MK8 R is best would spit out numbers ... lol how naive!

[@mitchellsteindler]

@@layne4376 sorry but...yawn

[@googleleavemynamealone9145]

@@layne4376 lol sure, but at least I won't have a crisis when my car isn't "fastest in its class" anymore and can fall back on ... Actually being fun ahhaha :P

[@chuckcribbs3398]

@@layne4376 For $45k. The N is $33k. And the R will be boring looking. What VW needs to do is give us the GTI Club Sport.

[@craigw.scribner6490]

I totally understand and I'm sure I would have done the same thing myself! Thanks again for your great channel!

[@jamievidd775]

Great review as always.

[@jefftoonstra5087]

“I am Quinn” Lolol is that Slip Angle’s Quinn? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mugensamurai]

Hyundai to Honda: "This is how you're suppose to do a transmission."

[@KP-xi4bj]

Honda reliability >>>>> Hyundai reliability Google "Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fire recalls", recalling cars since 2012 for the same deadly problems.

[@roostertailspice2482]

@@KP-xi4bj That was almost a decade ago. Hyundais are much better built now. You should google Honda transmission problems from the mid 2000s while you're at it. You're stuck in 2010 land if you're using old news as your source.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@roostertailspice2482It's laughable you're comparing Honda transmission problems to Hyundais, Kias and Geneses catching fire. It shows just how braindead Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fanboys/-girls are. LMFAO Like I said Google "Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fire recalls". They have been recalling cars for fires since 2012. Here's an example: "Hyundai issued safety recalls (NHTSA IDs: 21V-160 and 21V-161) this month for Model Year 2015-2016 Hyundai Genesis, 2017-2020 Genesis G80 and 2019-2021 Genesis G70 vehicles. The anti-lock brake system modules could malfunction internally and cause an electrical short over time, potentially resulting in an engine compartment fire while parked or driving." Source: "Important Hyundai & Genesis Recall in the U.S" by Jose Antonio López (Korean Car Blog, May 14, 2021)

[@roostertailspice2482]

@@KP-xi4bj Did you just tried to write a paragraph to explain something simple? Nice try you pretentious slob. You seriously think Hyundai is the only company that has parts that might catch on fire? Well that's tough for a blind fanboy like you because Honda does too. They had to recall 1.5 million vehicles for window switches that might catch on fire and cheaply made driveshafts that corrode too quickly. Even Toyota had problems with their hybrid batteries back in the day. Nice try but you're delusional.

[@KP-xi4bj]

@@roostertailspice2482 Wow! You Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fanboys/-girls are so desperate picking on recalls for cars that are almost 20 years old. LMFAO FYI, Hyunda/Kia/Genesis have been recalling cars for vehicle fires every year since 2012. That's right, brand new 2021 already recalled for vehicle fires. I don't see Honda/Toyota issuing recalls every year for vehicle fires, do you? But carry on denying and keep grasping those straws. LMFAO

[@pvtcmyers87]

Commenting to help out Quinn man she needs to be heard by every soul on the planet.

[@fabianherrmann6398]

Intro was a banger already. Love this product and in Germany we get zeh i30N as hatch and as fastback with 4 doors even, so this is the real GTI killer. And it is a great deal too, see them often on the road even as family cars.

[@user-rd4hp4qi8q]

Another great one. Just love the way Jack & Mark feed off each other and disagree. The visuals are just legendary. Hope to see more Volkswagen reviews.

[@bobbyaustralia8509]

It’s been obvious for a few years that Hyundai/Kia has been competing with Volkswagen head-to-head (car-to-car) and I wouldn’t have believed it ten years ago had I been told of their success against the German giant, today. Hyundai is no longer just “killing ecnonowheel drive” in their own right, they’re straight murdering the king of it. Unfortunately, fwd pricing is insane and i wouldn’t say the veloster is several thousand dollars better than a gti or si

[@johnridesadv2512]

I was interrupted in the middle of your video by my mom yelling down into the basement "Johnny, your Arby's is getting cold, come up here and get it while it's still hot". Can life get any better?

[@ThisGuyRides]

You lie, Arby's is never hot

[@ASH_GTI]

Life can get way better if it was anything but Arby's

[@jesserhodes7430]

Comment for the algorithm, also love the reviews guys.

[@OnlyTheFinest125]

The intro music alone deserves a like

[@Enforcer_WJDE]

I don't need the radio in my i30 Fastbavk N either. The exhaust is my entertainment and if i need the radio it's "good enough". Really looking forward testing the DCT version. Plastics are "cheap" but good bit i didn't buy this car for the interior either just as i didn't buy my Mustang GT back then for it's interior. Both cars are special in their own respect, one offers fun driving for a 4 popper, the other one has a V8.

[@dawgmanfat]

Looking forward to this, really looking into this or a Kona N for my next vehicle. Only downside is the constant engine fires I hear about and longterm reliability

[@Harry-uq9qd]

i would say elantra N probably better than the kona n?

[@dawgmanfat]

@@Harry-uq9qd I like the storage options with the Kona. Not really a fan of the current gen Elantra styling

[@JoJoJoker]

It’s nice to see another option for people who like DCTs. This thing has everything one needs in terms of performance hardware and safety features.

[@strangeskull]

Great vid!!...thank you for the info!!