I Almost Didn't Post This Video | Lazy Susan | The Wood Whisperer

[@woodwhisperer]

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[@xuthnet]

Note that there are two different types of lazy susan on the amazon page you linked to. I've bought both of them over the years (although from a different amazon "store"). What they're now calling commercial is what you wanted (as opposed to the "heavy duty"). The internal bearings are far better and the two rings are offset from each other so you don't need the washers.

[@psguardian]

This really highlights the fact that simple does not always mean easy.

[@ChrisHornberger]

My day job, I'm a software developer. Simple rarely means easy, for sure. If the user sees a simple thing, that means the programmer worked very, very hard. :)

[@steveh8724]

It's worse than that. Simple generally doesn't mean simple. And unless you've done the same thing before (preferably many times and recently) it's never truly easy.

[@steveh8724]

The project didn't do this TO you, YOU did it to the project! 🙂 Several months ago I looked into circular bearings for lazy susans, after reading the reviews on Amazon, I came across the same issues you cite (lack of clearance, relatively stiff, noisy). I think some of these are really intended to support much heavier loads that need to be turned slowly on occasion. I'm very glad you decided to share the video, we've all been there, or somewhere similar. Finally I definitely liked you advice regarding when to call it a day (or night) if errors or near misses are accumulating.

[@MWAWoodworks]

This is the thumbnail the world didn't ask for, but needed.

[@pjd-sng]

Including your mistakes on a successful project is great for anyone who watches and learns from you- it helps us understand we don't need to be perfect every time. Posting mistakes on a project that kicked your butt (although you did finish it successfully) is going the extra mile- and to our (the viewers) benefit. Next time I have a project which goes completely pear-shaped, I'll remember this video. Apart from the lessons you mentioned, it is reassuring to be reminded that even the best of us can make, and sometimes compound, mistakes.

[@mariondorsett]

I feel like this is an opportunity to say, “If I had those fancy expensive tools I could make those mistakes too.” But I think I do make some of those mistakes with my budget tools :) Thanks for sharing. I didn’t consciously realize it, but after a certain amount of mistakes I do stop and reevaluate the project. I have found that simple projects seem to be the tricky ones to get right.

[@Marcus_Caius]

I have a two strikes rule. Then I go get a fresh coffee, sit and meditate on my mistakes. Sometimes for days 🤣

[@misinformationwithrandy]

Same! This is the part of the video that resonated with me as well.

[@kingyfpv4787]

Going through this at the moment 😢😅😂

[@MCsCreations]

Or beer... Both works well, depending on the case.

[@bwhite220]

Same! …except sometimes I go weeks. Haha

[@agcons]

It's like the "black cloud" that seems to be above me every so often. The coffee grounds spill on the floor, then I dump the water on the floor, then I drop a cup . . . time to sit on the chesterfield for a while.

[@timcottom8397]

Hi Mark, Tim here. I have watched your channel for years. When I started watching woodworking videos, I was puzzled by, no one's shop ever looked as messy as mine, after finishing a project. 😢 So when someone shows their mistakes it really is a good thing!!! I now realize there is a lot of editing that goes into the videos. I also am an experienced maker, and very much enjoy making a mess! Keep up the great work, Timothy.

[@Mike.DeNinno]

My preferred method of cutting circles is using the jig Norm had for the bandsaw. Super easy and you can make any size you want want without a template.

[@garyhome7101]

I might have tried this on my CNC. A bit more control over the router and centering is a tad easier. Not that CNC is the answer for mistake and error correction, it could perform on this project with less worry about templates.

[@gz2251]

The old adage says " we learn from our mistakes." You did a great job of showing that even the presenters that we've placed on pedestals ( yours is a curly maple and burled mesquite) can and do make mistakes. And you filming helps us not make them, and also lends credibility that you're just not another pretty face, but a true woodworker.

[@TernaryHound]

We've all had that day in the shop when everything goes wrong and even simple stuff like which end of the chisel goes in the wood becomes foggy. The three strikes rule is great and I'll be adhering to it now that I've heard it.

[@5280Woodworking]

I’ll take a mistakes video with actual woodworking any day over the other “review” and “sponsor” garbage. Mistakes were made, lessons learned, asses we’re kicked, great video.

[@patrickbink4617]

I had one of those once. But the new one (of 15+ years) keeps so busy I have a hard time keeping up with her! BTW, I loved the video. That router sled rocks!

[@jakeschmautzful]

My dad and I would watch The New Yankee Workshop with Norm A. One particular complex build, Norm had just made another perfect miter joint and my dad turned to me and said (sarcastically) "another perfect fit" It was so funny because we were not good woodworkers at the time and most of our joints/miters were not great. Thanks for showing us mistakes happen to everyone. I think it makes people relate to you and feel better about themselves in the wood shop because it happens to all of us!!

[@CaptainKseadog1]

Learning from your mistakes is part of the process. Hiding or fixing your mistakes is the journey to a master.

[@AB-nu5we]

Woodworking is pain. (but worth it). Thanks for sharing. You can always resort to making chipper 'food' for bedding, and of course, the burn pile.

[@wmgould4]

This is the exact project I was trying to start last weekend. I was going to just route out a ring groove for the hardware to recess into, but couldn’t figure out how I wanted to do it so I planted some plants instead…. I still don’t know how I want to do it but my front yard looks better. Thanks for keeping the video!

[@mcarendt]

Hey, thanks for not bailing! As for the noise, Silcone lube (WD-40 Silicone is my go-to) works wonders on ball bearing drawer slides. I imagine it’ll help here as well.

[@AngieWilliamsDesigns]

I like your three strike rule for mistakes. Thank you for sharing your mistakes with us though. It does help us all learn. I like the walnut one!

[@bushman4124]

Thank you for showing the mistakes, i thought it was me, that walks away sometimes for weeks. it is reassuring to see and read that more people suffer with the same problems sometimes, maybe not as much as me , but stil...! so it was overall a very good learning video and it gave me more confident.

[@woodrowsmith3400]

Editing can make the worst project look fantastic. Thank you so much for showing mistakes, frustrations and general ineptitude. It makes you so much more human, likable and understandable. You had SNAFU'S yet salvaged the day and kept the project from going FUBAR. I have 'walked away' from many. Came back a day...or three...with a better idea and understanding. Even reverse engineering can bite you in the ass. Just walk away...BUT...come back and finish is the primary lesson today. Well done!

[@aaroncashion7570]

Always have appreciated the master showing his errors. We all make them and it makes me feel like less a loser.

[@claudestewart5465]

I enjoyed watching all your mistakes. I make mistakes on every project but there is always a way to save them. The one I remember is one leg of the school desk project you made during Covid. I oved that around around my shop for 3 years before I let my friends grandson have it so could figure out something to do with it.

[@chodgson]

Lee valley sells a different style of lazy susan bearing that I think is a bit quieter. Also, you only need one screw hole in the bottom, you can just spin it around to each spot. Still beautiful results and you always tell a great story no matter how you get to the end of the project :)

[@wieland12]

OMG this video was right on time in my woodworking life. I love watching your work and have learned a lot, thank you. My latest project was a small end table. I saw it on grizzle’s youtube channel and the plan was free and Ii saw it as a skill builder project. There were temples and lap joints and circle jigs. Stuff I have seen but never done. So seeing you make mistakes made me understand that mistakes are all part of the craft. So thank you so much.

[@DarrenPoulson]

The R2 builders club are quite experienced with those lazy susan bearings. :) They can be quite noisy. Enough so that its a common practice in the club to dismantle them and polish the race, and even replace the ball bearings with delrin ones.

[@ronh9384]

They turned out great. Thanks for sharing, mistakes and all. It was a learning experience for all of us…

[@scottgates4616]

Excellent video. I learned about the template cross hairs. More importantly, I was reminded that we all have bad days and can't get out of our own way sometimes, even the most advanced experts. You gave great advice to have a system to recognize when things are going off course and when to stop and regroup. I'm thankful that you posted it.

[@LPerez7276]

Good to see that Mark still plays with his little dollies

[@mattelias721]

I appreciate you posting this in spite of your hesitancy. It made me feel better about my multi-mistake sessions in my shop... and they happen. Or my brain just won't math. Or something. It usually happens when I'm doing something I've never tried before, but there are other non-shop factors that you never realize are fighting for your mental bandwidth until well after the fact. Extra points for sending Picard into hyperspace.

[@woodworks2123]

It happens to us all mate and it's almost always on the "easy" stuff. Glad you keep mistakes in. Makes your videos much more relatable. I've used those exact lazy Susan bearings and there are good and not so good ones. They do seem a bit loud, I got mine from Amazon and they were the same but got a different set that looked exactly the same but you could feel the difference in quality when you handled it which was much quieter.

[@DerekRoff]

Great video! Thanks for sharing such a good example of how failing to plan thoroughly can be the beginning of an avalanche of problems.

[@nsanerydah]

Like the backside item. Great video where everything isn't perfect! Keep up the great work.

[@jaayjones5937]

You've encouraged me to make some new videos. I make a lot of mistakes, my shop motto is "Mistakes made while you wait."

[@glencrandall7051]

Poor planning, no planning, been there, done that. Three strikes and you're out, of the shop that is. That's my rule too. I understand why you soldiered on. Sometimes you just have to. Thank you for sharing the video. I think we all learned from it. At least you got two Lazy Susan's in the end. They look very nice. Tomorrow will be better.🙂🙂

[@Liriq]

We all have those days. But you're a better man than I for telling us about it, and in detail. Learned and enjoyed

[@AaronWood77]

This felt very relatable! Round things are such a pain to deal with. I’ve spent hours working on jigs that allow me to cut a bunch of plywood circles with a precise rectangle cut out of the middle of them… Work holding, order of operations, and how to keep things centered as you move from one jig to another… it’s really a lot of planning!

[@jimkonrad2528]

I appreciated and respected the video. When I make a mistake during woodworking, I often wonder “do other people make the same, silly mistakes as I do”? I appreciate the honesty and transparency!

[@godisgoodwoodworks4801]

Marc, thanks for not taking yourself so seriously that you would never consider showing us a project that was a struggle essentially from start to finish. Going forward, the next time I goof in the shop and that inner voice says "The Wood Whisperer could never do something that dumb. What were you thinking?" I'll respond with "Are you sure about that?" Your content is different than all other makers, and one of the best in the genre.

[@beeflow2638]

In machining, we sometimes encountered "jinx jobs" where the planning, supplies, and execution were buggier than a forgotten picnic basket - and the whole thing only revealed itself slowly. I loved watching young leads and foreman slowly come to accept the fact the jobs were cursed.

[@RonPerreault]

This is precisely why I love my CNC

[@woodwhisperer]

Haha because there are no mistakes to be had there. :)

[@RonPerreault]

@@woodwhisperer your right about that! thats why I have a box of shame for all the destroyed bits.

[@Ticky66MN]

Yes, thank you for sharing Marc. The struggle is real for all of us at times. For me, circles is one of those as well.

[@TheMixmastamike1000]

This video was awesome and they turned out great. Just a heads up this is what wood working looks like for most of us all the time.

[@markcummins8061]

Enjoyed the vid. I love to see issues like these. Means you're human and shows that im not the only one jacking up projects AND i learn a ton. Thanks

[@markduggan3451]

That was a very honest video, which helped me with what I'm attempting at the moment. Thank you.

[@ibdavidc]

Niced work. They sound fine. And thanks for showing the misteaks; they teach perhaps better than perfection.

[@lornesteed2417]

Thank you ! I feel so much better now, having fucked up royally yesterday. It"s nice to know that we are all just human and mistakes are definitely going to happen; especially when proper planning was left out of the process. Great video - thanks again for posting.

[@Conan_Obrien]

That Predator "Have Me Some Fun..." meme was hysterical. Prime usage sir, well done.

[@chillertechtexas4375]

Glad to see I'm not the only one lol. Looks great in the end.

[@MCsCreations]

Well... Even with the mistakes, they turned out amazing, Marc! Really beautiful work! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@definfected]

I love seeing how you get through your mistakes no matter how many. Thanks for sharing!! Much ❤ Marc!!

[@fin3125]

I just walk in from the shop with the exact same issue. It was a simple project. Scrap bin shelf. One error just built on top the others. This hasn't happened in years and then I see your show...😂

[@davidschuster3623]

Thank you for sharing, if for no other reason than to make me feel better, to know that "KZbinrs" make stupid mistakes also!

[@dian3145]

I have a 2strike rule! It’s at that point where I lose all ability to look forward, and can only think about the mistakes. I go pet the cats. Thanks for sharing that even a master can be vulnerable.

[@Erik_The_Viking]

I appreciate you showing your mistakes, along with the lessons learned from them, as they're informative and provide us with ideas on how to prevent and mitigate them for future projects. We all learn from our mistakes, and no one is perfect. I have a similar 3-strikes rule as well, when at that point I take a step back and determine what happened.

[@MAKEITSF]

I made 6 lazy Susan’s for Christmas gifts, except mine were single level. I ran into similar issues with dumb router errors. I believe I used the same hardware as well. They were finicky, had no screws included, and no directions. I ended up adding spacers to mine, like you did, but I just attached rubber feet to the bottom ring. A few drops of oil on the bearings will help it to turn smoother and quieter.

[@AlexLeff]

Dude. Been there. Different hardware but the whole "how hard can two circles be" was exactly my experience building one for our kitchen some years back. Oof.

[@marusrekers5956]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for being honest and showing us your mistakes. As a novice woodworker, I can get a little hard on myself about those inevitable mistakes that I make. It is heartening to see that even the pros make mistakes and have off days.

[@raydriver7300]

This is one of the great joys of this community - the willingness to share every part of the process, the good and not so good. Turned out all right in the end. Thank you for sharing 🌞

[@BubbaPat]

Maybe.. as an apprentice style learning... follow your original thought... 3 your out. Then both go sit down, grab a sheet of paper and write out the mistakes and how to avoid them. You both learn good planning. I LOVE your mistakes. They show me that I can make them and recover.

[@maddogwalby]

Nice, seems easy enough! One comment though, am I the only one to notice something… not usually found in a wood working shop starting at the 9:25 mark?

[@MrErViLi]

Home depot carries pretty descent 12" lazy susan mechanisms. I've used them several times. Those don't sound that loud.

[@Reign_In_Blood_963]

Well at least you are not so frightened of making mistakes that you can't even get started on a project. Honestly, this is what people like me need to see.

[@thomlipiczky9021]

As always, extremely instructive as well as entertaining! You're a terrific teacher! I bet Matt's first few days in the shop with you went much more smoothly. Thanks for showing mistakes as well as successes!

[@BuildwithMooney]

So you are a human woodworker like most of us! 🤣 I appreciate you sharing your mistakes, because we all know as woodworkers EVERY build has its challenges in my experiences, some are more challenging than others.

[@Bob_Adkins]

A compass could have prevented some of the problems. All the circles would be referenced from the same precise center so everything's concentric.

[@markhendrix745]

I have go to say i am really really glad to see you getting back to making projects. thank you for that.

[@Thesaltymaker]

I love this. It’s the same as my “quick builds”

[@ConjuringChris]

Awesome. Loved it! Funniest video you've made for KZbin yet. Keep embracing projects you haven't tried.

[@studiogerk]

So you're saying that a Lazy Susan is not a good beginner's project like everyone else says it is ;) (I have to agree, circles and all). Nice to see you sharing the whole deal. I think one of the most important things about these kinds of projects is not how well you build them but how well you recover from the mistakes!

[@tiladx]

I think it is great when someone who is vadtly more skilled than me can show where they made mistakes. It teaches me what to look for and what not to do, as well as reminding us that we are all human and sometimes things just get FUBAR.

[@vbikcl]

The three strike rule with mistakes really resonated with me. I don't have a specific strike count but at a certain point I know I have to put the project down and press a reset button on my headspace as well as environment. I've learned that certain tasks are fine when working under some time pressure or time constraint, while others are best left to having an open runway of time so you can really think through the task and triple check things before committing.

[@briannelson4122]

Welcome to my world.....I never plan out my projects, even though I know that's a dumb way to go about it. I'll start something and make it out of plywood or a more inexpensive species, just to make my mistakes on the first model before I use the expensive wood. The problem is I get so frustrated with it that I never go beyond the first iteration. I shouldn't say always but, it's happened more than I care to admit. It always comes out fine, just not flawless in the execution. Thanks for the video, It shows even the pro's have the same issues if they just "jump into it" without a plan.

[@patseevers262]

Mistakes were made by all. I really love honest videos! Thank you once again.

[@mek90703]

Dude , I love it when you make mistakes and then fix them. That's how us idiots learn! I remember being able to talk to Norm at a home show and one of his regrets of New Yankee was not showing more errors on the show and fixing them. BTW, your lazy susan hardware is loud. The one I made is pretty quiet, however the one I made isn't as intricate as yours. Great video!

[@MJLWoodWorks]

Mistakes are only times for learning. Thanks Marc! I have a dog house build going on that I was recording, I shot myself in the finger with a 16 gauge nail gun attaching a piece of trim. You see me jump then you hear the nail gun shoot two more nail in before I went and stopped the bleeding... In that case, I should have stopped after nail "strike" 1. lol

[@c.a.g.1977]

Thank you for sharing, Mark, owning up to your mistakes is Step 5 of the WWA: "How Admitting Your Wrongs Can Propel Your Recovery" 😉 Hope Lazy Susan still works when she's loaded... 😄

[@toddclare]

I used the same washers + CA glue technique on my lazy susan with the same hardware! Curious how you felt about the hardware. I liked that mine was relatively stiff (v. super free spinning) but wish it were a little MORE free spinning. Agreed with you about the sound, but honestly I got a more free spinning one and it was REALLY loud. Can't beleive there isn't a better quality bearing out there...

[@mark2talk2u]

Guitar makers have been installing rosettes for years. Perhaps you should have tried creeping up on some of the grooves with a small bit. I think many luthiers use a Dremel and very small bit. They take a pass, increase the radius a bit, take another pass, and so on.

[@Dandroid61]

Love the cat painting!

[@daStitches]

Thanks for continuing with the video, I found this very helpful!

[@grantman1148]

I've built a half dozen lazy susans but never recessed the top or the bottom; just left it flat. I've used that same hardware and I do screw it directly to the top but don't tighten it down all the way. You do have to leave just a little slack in it for it to spin. There must be so many bearings inside that they don't spin as fast as I remember when I was a kid with my mom's lazy susan. I've also used the double-ring hardware but it's not as elegant as these new Chinese bearing rings. Good to see you work through the %##$!!# that happens in the shop; it certainly happens to all of us.

[@joeywelch-ud8yr]

I try really really hard not to make mistakes, but I do make a lot of design changes in the process:). When I was teaching flying, a student asked me how I made so few mistakes. I replied, "experience". He asked me how I got so much experience. I replied, "by making a lot of mistakes".

[@gateslattes4686]

I bought ur incredible joinery book. I can’t thank enough for teaching me the basics and advanced on wood joinery. Will u ever write a book on wood projects? From beginner and building to advanced projects. Ordered the hybrid wood working book. Thanks again.

[@curbshooter]

Thanks for showing mistakes. Makes me feel better that I'm not alone.

[@tianyi05]

We all try to serve as an example, sometimes we are bad examples. You only learn from your mistakes. If you didn't make any mistakes you didn't learn anything new.

[@John-NeverStopLearning]

Hi Mark, I do all the planning in my head. I have always been that way. Now retired and my projects are getting much more complicated I plan some parts on paper and the rest in my head. I am not familiar with any free 3D mockup software. However I do 3D printing and my own mechanical designs. Great video!!

[@penchant4]

Noise sounds about right...OR...mine sound wrong, too. Great video.

[@SM-qx1wc]

I have this exact experience every time I try to get lazy in the shop. I always regret it.

[@brianbrinegar6086]

Great video! Please retrofit a lazy Susan into a base corner cabinet for us!!!

[@TWC6724]

I totally appreciate this video. Some days I ask myself what the F am I’m doing?

[@TankVgryazi]

I used Rockler's lazy Susan hardware, which was also a bit loud. Some marine grease in the bearing track quieted things down, but don't use too much or it won't spin at all.

[@xuthnet]

Note that there are two different types of lazy susan on the amazon page you linked to. I've bought both of them over the years (although from a different amazon "store"). What they're now calling commercial is what you wanted (as opposed to the "heavy duty"). The internal bearings are far better and the two rings are offset from each other so you don't need the washers.

[@brettpeckinpaugh]

Nice to see you have the same issues we lowly mortal woodworkers have as well. They turned out fine though.

[@CoreyShockey]

I admit, I saw the short first, and has to see the full version. I think we have all been there. That special place for creators where the work and results just aren't adding up.

[@MichaelCoolidge]

Yes. For me, a third mistake in a day commonly means there is blood on the project. I stop at 2.

[@mattomon1045]

great Lazy Susan Mark .

[@davidpoll220]

I appreciate you showing the warts as well as the great results. What kind of ceramic coating did you use?

[@jimwiskus8862]

I’d have been in a pool of blood. You did just fine and showed that even when the train goes off the rails, it can be fixed.