"I am an Idiot!" | Death in Heaven | Doctor Who | BBC

[@jimstoesz3878]

"Give a good man firepower and he'll never run out of people to kill." Why do the villains always have the best one-liners?

[@anonygent]

Not always. The action hero usually gets in some zingers. And then in Shakespeare, it was always the fool, the nurse, the minor character who got the best lines. King Lear: Who am I?! Jester: Lear's shadow.

[@AnglicanFish]

It’s because Moffat wrote the best villains

[@Nadie47]

@@slevinchannel7589 it’s bad, but I still love it. It’s our bad. I’m not making sense, but it’s true for most fans.

[@popopop984]

@@slevinchannel7589 Put this commenter one jail and allow me to continue enjoying my favourite doctor, Calpaldi

[@slevinchannel7589]

@@popopop984 With this commenter you mean me? Can you stop being so cringey, if thats what you meant?

[@cramerfloro5936]

I like to think that Missy, really was able to calculate when the Doctor's birthday would be and concucted her whole plan to coincide with it, just for the gifting thing

[@sonicmeerkat]

@@slevinchannel7589 nono this is probably one of the few cases of good writing in the later seasons. like comparing measurements is natural, we do it all the time with american feet and inches to meters and centremeters the rest of the world uses. one month on earth is one lunar year so 12 cycles of the moon could be used to calculate one year on earth.

[@sukiii-000]

@@slevinchannel7589 why do u reply to so many messages with the same comment?? Can u pls stop

[@cerooscuas]

I mean...shed know when it is

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

@@cerooscuas yeah she's literally his best friend, and knew him before he was The Doctor

[@jaycorbin5361]

@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 True, but keep on mind he's a time traveler, he spends hours to days in-between spaces in time, so while it might be his birthday in real time, it could technically be a completely different day for him because of the extra space in the time vortex and things. Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey.

[@muninrob]

"good men have too many rules" "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many"

[@dragulouse2219]

Wheres this from?

[@muninrob]

@@dragulouse2219 the last episode of the "Demons run" arc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWatn6SGiN-GgtE

[@blooooblaaa]

@@dragulouse2219 A Good Man Goes to War

[@kuroiphox989]

@@blooooblaaa When Demon's Run

[@spectra5407]

@@kuroiphox989 When A Good Man Goes To War

[@moritz_menzel]

"I need my friend back" how she delivers this line gives me the chills every time

[@cunningsmile4166]

Because it's sad. Because deep down we know what it's like to want a lost friend back.

[@singletona082]

Give the actress an award. Give the lady her own spinoff show. Fuckit. Give her the next regeneration. Show that The Doctor really did view this face as the best he'd seen his best friend wear in.... Ages. And then that moment where the current Master sees it. 'I know that face....' 'I know you do and I must say you really did make an impression.' 'Oh come now really? I wore the dress better.' 'oh sure but the hat? it was too much.' And even if they resuem fighting.... just that moment of peace where the two, if for only one moment, can let their guard down.

[@MLaak86]

it's so telling for the whole Missy persona - no matter what she tells herself, she wants the Doctor back; the Last Great Time Lord, the one he/she grew up with, his/her one true equal, the only one who can stop him/her no matter how perfect the scheme seems... the one, the ONLY one, who understands him/her.

[@MrJSterling]

Yep. It hurts. It's convincing. It's...genuine.

[@KayKeyPerk_KArmaUnicornDreams]

She knows no better than any possible way to show good . She genuinely wants her friend back.

[@emeraldtabbycat148]

*I'm honestly going to miss this version of The Master. The psychopathic Marry Poppins persona was starting to grow on me.*

[@dereknight861]

Sacha’s is gonna go down just as unforgettable. Be honest ~

[@tk3venestros697]

This version of the master was masterfully performed! (Pun intended). Will remain my favorite one.

[@CraigTulloch]

Derek Night no he’s not. Be realistic. This last season has pissed off half of the remaining fans. Chibnall is running out of supporters. This ludicrous timeless child ret con is about go the way of most ill considered ret cons, into the dustbin of obscurity and Sacha’s “Master” along with it.

[@stephenbyrne2170]

Wait, she's the master!?

[@robert47743]

It’s psycho poppins

[@arm279145]

Missy knew she’d lost from the second he smiled. The smile means the doctor just won.

[@PlanetNiles]

And secretly she loved it

[@DoctorWhoKage]

I believe that there's some part of The Master/Missy...a part that *always* wants The Doctor to win. Or to find a way to win. Little stunts like these? They're just tests to keep The Doctor on their feet so that they don't become boring, evil, or a lot less clever than the previous incarnation.

[@hyhena-gaming9986]

I want a doctor who episode where he’s eating a banan or die king a bottle of water, and early on as a joke he mentions by the time he is finished with whatever he is eating or drinking he will have figured it out, and halfway through the episode it’s gone, I’m surprised we haven’t seen that yet

[@alastormedial]

"when you're winning and I'm in the room, you've missed something!"

[@DaDunge]

Yeah I think this version of the master really enjoys seeing him save the day.

[@elliothunter4224]

"I need my friend back". The tone of Missy's voice made me feel so sad here.

[@JacktheRah]

The acting is on point.

[@Hardcover_Pilot]

First time I heard that line I thought "Holy shit, did I just feel sympathy for the Master of all people?" And honestly, Missy was badly underrated in my opinion.

[@tracyroweauthor]

@@Hardcover_Pilot actually, the interaction between Simm's Master and 10 in The End of Time was incredibly moving. For a moment, just a moment, you saw him as wishing he could just be the Doctor's friend and travel with him, just like with Missy here. It's one of my favorite Who moments.

[@tracyroweauthor]

@Luke Ed I think Gomez and Simm are both masterful performers and brought an amazing amount of depth to the Master. I like them both pretty equally.

[@julietfischer5056]

The Master is broken. No longer the renegade who stepped out of his TARDIS and announced his arrival in 'Terror of the Autons', who conquered planets and destroyed civilizations for the laughs; not the schemer who stole a good man's body and kept trying to kill the Doctor: this is a sad, lonely, broken, creature who can't or won't admit that the friendship is over, that too much has happened to bring them together again.

[@katelyndaley8827]

"I AM.... an Idiot" the way he says that always gets me.

[@jellyfish6777]

same, the first time i watched it i thought he would say I am a doctor

[@ronger97]

well, he pretty much said the same thing

[@MegaEricPham]

+Jelly Fish *the doctor

[@jellyfish6777]

+Eric Pham yeah

[@jodsilla6105]

Yessssssssssß

[@CFilmer]

Capaldi: "I... AM..." Me: "The Doctor!" Capaldi: "An Idiot?" Me: "Wait, what?"

[@baileyravenwick]

attack eyebrows.

[@yeshello3775]

C Filmer lol

[@marcroth2844]

I laughed my ass off at that

[@mayormarshmallow]

He's right but I didn't expect him to say it

[@kanrahatake3626]

i thought The Doctor was a Mad Man with a box Now he's an idiot with a box?

[@AndyBelloTV]

2 things I've thought about 1. the fandom would've died if a cyberman saw the doctor and said "Raggedy man, Delete." 2. Moffat found another way to kill Rory

[@liamowen1784]

I hate you for this

[@coolbionicle]

right under our noses!

[@kalakritistudios]

That second one though... *_RORY KILLER_*

[@johnmcclure40]

2. granted.1, though, don't forget, she never saw another version of the doctor. It's likely she never really knew the details of regeneration.

[@thenintenbro7154]

@@johnmcclure40 yeah she did he told her in the two doctor ganger episode from S6

[@cunningsmile4166]

Its like Steven Moffat said. "Only a good man would question if he's a good man."

[@loferx]

Dear god, seeing this and knowing Missy's end, it makes it the more sad "I want my friend back". At the end, she gets her friend back. But he'll never know she chose him over, well, himself.

[@cyberfox7249]

There's a theory on tiktok where the doctor knows because missy grabs his hand and hits the blade

[@bobafettjr85]

Didn't Missy die from the future version of herself?

[@protorhinocerator142]

@@bobafettjr85 Yes. It was quite unsatisfying.

[@PainRack]

​@@bobafettjr85past version of herself :)

[@PacificViceroy]

@@bobafettjr85 well, she did but not really. In killing the Saxon Master, what Missy Master was able to accomplish in the regeneration process was ensure her rebirth (via the Lumiat) and eventual transition into the Spy Master.

[@trodeno6305]

"Aww, come on, smile. I wanna see if your eyebrows fall off!" -Missy 2k13

[@addazarmy6826]

Ganymede 2k16

[@LowbrowDeluxe]

3:07 the look of wistful resignation Missy gives right after "I am an idiot". Gets me every time. Missy honestly does love the Doctor as a friend, she's just too screwed up to express it in a healthy way. In some ways she's the first incarnation of the Master to be remotely sane in a long time, to be able to be honest with themselves, but it's still clouded by all that damage. She's like a tiny bit of sanity at the bottom of the well screaming.

[@TERMINATIONBLISS08]

Capaldi is my favourite Doctor Because he moved passed hate (Eccleston), anger (Tennant) and regret (Smith) He is the Doctor who accepts who he is, for better or worse And that’s something we humans still struggle to do

[@artiek1177]

Those are very good points. Never thought of it that way.

[@boxfox2945]

And shouldn't try.. Hense his speech to Colman in the tardis dinner. After realizing he is still accountable. But had stopped caring. As everyone does. Or just never gave a 💩, in the first place.

[@mousermind]

*moved past

[@Zestieee]

Yeah. The Twelfth Doctor had got an arc of personal redemption and self forgiveness. That is why he began asking whether he was a good man, which came to fulfillment in this finale. But his path was far from done yet.

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yes, but does he have jelly babies? I think not. Game, set, match.

[@reybenxcos]

Everyone: "The Doctor is disgusted by the idea of kissing someone!" The Doctor: *kisses missy*

[@DaDunge]

Same species.

[@mattjones6578]

@@DaDunge to a time lord kissing a human would be like kissing va golden ratever

[@DaDunge]

According to Missy at least, the doctor claims it's simply because of the lifespans.

[@JacktheRah]

They know themselves very long and they used to be very close friends. Maybe even lovers.

[@hjames_]

9 kissed Rose 10 kissed Rose, Martha & Donna (well, more like Donna kissed 10 but whatever) 11 kissed Amy (I think)

[@charlottescorner2004]

"I am not a good man, and I'm not a bad man. I am not a hero and I'm definitely not a president and no I'm not an officer. You know what I am? I am an idiot, with a box and a screwdriver, just passing through, helping out, learning. I don't need an army, I never have, because I've got them, always them, because love is not an emotion, love is a promise."

[@itzmerandomshiz6442]

It was at that precise moment, that Missy knew, she accidentally did a bad thing for her self esteem.

[@lunahetfield]

Charlotte's Corner i was reading this comment when it came up

[@puppycatsbee]

I love itt

[@slevinchannel7589]

Funny how bad the Writing is. Each and every Episode ever Produced quills over from Plot Holes and Bad Writing, ESPECIALLY the big Ones, like Specials and such. Death in Heaven is no Exception of course (nothing is an exception to this fact). But Missies Escape Scene? Wow, that's like 10 Logic Holes in one Scene. Poor Osgood, died like she lived: Full of Nonsense. Maybe this general Acceptance of Bad Writing Skills was what Lead, since long ago, since many seasons ago... to the current Mess with the 13.Doctor?! Is that possible. THINK ABOUT IT: Just do that.

[@cyberfox9713]

@@slevinchannel7589 people like you can't be pleased

[@kleinthegreat6869]

"The master turns into a chick" Missy: I need you to know we are not so different "The doctor turns into a chick"

[@jeckjeck3119]

Master: ''Kneel.''

[@arianebolt1575]

Master: I am the ghost of Christmas yet to come

[@cabbagem6242]

The Master: *turns into a man* The Master:”PSYCH”

[@fl00fydragon]

Lorewise this should have happened decades ago, regeneration is suppossedly an RNG with only a few timelords being able to influence how they end up. In terms of sex it's 50/50.

[@adamboh393]

Not really every timelord shoe on screen has consistent genders, the General, the master, the Doctor all have been mainly men or women and then switched genders for one regeneration in their cycle so lore wise it seems switching genders during regeneration is quite rare.

[@MyoticTesseract]

Doctor: "I am... an idiot!" The entire orchestra: *pauses* "wait what"

[@dondrone6981]

And this is the Doctor! Not some glorified, unkillable chosen one. Just a madman with a heart of gold.

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

And a box and a screwdriver, don't forget those

[@plantainsame2049]

Still a immortal time god and has been since 1966

[@nobodyimportant1447]

​@@plantainsame2049Dont you mean 63?

[@plantainsame2049]

@@nobodyimportant1447 No sixty six He was a human from the future. Back in 63 the time Lord nonsense was a retcon

[@James.B.Russell]

@@plantainsame2049 no you're thinking of Bad Wolf in 2005. The Doctor is a Time Lord, not a "time god."

[@ajc-ff5cm]

“Love is not an emotion. Love is a promise.” God, Capaldi had some epic one liners.

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Ties so beautifully into his farewell speech to his future self. "Always remember! Hate is always foolish! ... And love is always wise."

[@arjujannaka9807]

If you watch series 8 carefully, there is a clear story arch. The story arch is the Doctor's character development. The Doctor's appearance is old, remember what Madame Vastra said that the Doctor has lifted his veil and revealed himself, changing from young to old. Parallel to that, his character is more open-book type, unlike his predecessor 11th who always hides his feelings and keeps closed-book. 12th is beginning to question himself in the series (and in series 9 too). Starting in Deep Breath, 12th's confrontation with the mechanic robot, then moves on to Into the Dalek, where he questions Clara "Am I a good man?" to realising that he is a "Good Dalek" and full of hatred. In Robot of Sherwood, he states that he is not a hero to Robin Hood, indicating that he is still questioning his identity. In Listen, we explore the Doctor's fear and how he overcomes it. We can also deduce from this episode that the Doctor is always in fear because he always runs and is brave. In Time Heist, the Doctor is hating the architect upon realising the architect's identity. He is quite hating himself, though I'm not really sure how to elaborate this one. In The Caretaker, the Doctor is expressing his care for his companions, shown by he early disapproval of Clara's dating Danny because he was a soldier. But then, as long as his companion is safe, he is okay with it. In Kill the Moon and Mummy on the Orient Express, I'm not really sure about it, so I will skip this one, but I think the Doctor is dealing with his attitude and relationship with Clara. Contrary to Kill the Moon (maybe because of his tense with Clara in Kill the Moon), In the Forest of the Night shows the Doctor trying to help to save the Earth, and not letting humanity acts alone (this development leads to the part of his speech "passing through, helping out"). In the series finale, We see the Doctor is helping Clara to find Danny in "hell" even though that might break the law of time and also even though he has been betrayed by Clara. That is because he is trying to be the Doctor, always helping no matter what. And in the end, he is confronted by Missy, who wants to help him save the universe. The Doctor, who always wants to save the universe, is faced with this moral act of using the cyber-bracelet. He is remembering his promise of the Doctor: Never be cruel never be cowardly. Using an army to defeat monster is a cruel and cowardly thing, one thing that the Doctor doesn't want to be. So be it, he is realising his own character: full of hatred, hates soldier, not a hero, never uses weapon, never be cruel, never be cowardly, always cares people, always helping out with only a box and a screwdriver. Long enough.

[@hulseysoftware365]

+Arju Jannaka Well said! Kill the Moon is subtext heavy and involves the metaphors set up in the 11th Doctor's time. The Doctor couldn't interfere because it involved his timeline. Mummy on the Orient Express was about making difficult choices, as he said, "Sometimes the only choices you have are bad ones. But you still have to choose."

[@joefishy3312]

+Doreen Hulsey It doesn't save Kill the Moon from being a bad episode. The episode was similar to The Beast Below in premise but handled it's resolution and plot elements it such a ridiculous way it came off as uninteresting and cheesy.

[@hulseysoftware365]

+Joe Fishy I quite agree that it doesn't save Kill the Moon. That was my least favorite episode of Series 8. Things get ridiculous when the Doctor gets confused, which also happened in In the Forest of the Night and Sleep No More.

[@JameZayer]

+Michael Jonathan In the Orient Express, he's worried about being seen as heartless as he tries to get everyone out of the trap that the train is. He had to figure out what the Foretold was and in order to do so he had to act "professional and cold" which made him come across as heartless to Clara. Still doubting whether he actually is or not, when Clara says he was pretending, he replies "Would it be easier for you to think it's that way?"

[@hulseysoftware365]

+JαmëŽǎɏe The Doctor is not really heartless, even though he may seem like it. He is trying to save as many lives as possible in a bad situation. He can't save everyone, and he doesn't have time to mourn while the danger is present. He very deeply feels people's deaths and guilt for causing or not saving them. As he said in Zygon Inversion, "And when I close my eyes I hear more screams than anyone could ever be able to count!"

[@CrispyPro]

Never understood why this episode got so much hate...?

[@peterkorman77]

For one thing, it was the final straw to break the camel's back in terms of the Cybermen. Who knows if we'll ever find them scary again?

[@peterkorman77]

OJWH Not just that. Seriously, despite how overpowered they may be, when was the last time they did anything scary? They haven't done the one thing that makes them horrifying since they were reintroduced in 2006.

[@philipptapsell3112]

+Peter Korman we need the Mondasian Cybermen back.

[@philipptapsell3112]

+MaddoxProductions1 the original ones are required.

[@scendles7360]

I love Robots Of Sherwoods :D

[@hadesbutmortal]

Missy was probably my favourite non-companion character from the whole series

[@Crownslayer115]

Oh, come on, crack a smile! I want to see if those eyebrows drop off.

[@BigKumaDM]

the thing is that the doctor has known that he is not a good man. good men need no rules. the doctor... well he has sooo many.

[@stephencressey1]

+Brian L good men do what is necessary .Even if it requires sacrifice .

[@deltahalo241]

I think perhaps he's getting confused, he's saved a lot of people, but he's also killed so many. As the Doctor said in this episode 'You lose sight sometimes'

[@DigitalVanquish]

Well I guess after hundreds of years, you lose perspective. It's part of the reason why he has companions - to keep him good. Whenever he is without them for a while, he shows the darkness just hidden beneath the surface.

[@DEVILdRuMMinG]

I think that good men are judged by their actions. If you need rules to act well and control yourself I don't think that makes you any less of a good man; The good are good because they have rules, because they have their own moral compass which they consult and principles which they adhere to. People who have no rules, who just do whatever they want or feel like, are very rarely good people (take Missy as an example).

[@jonathanday6692]

The vervoids were a choice of genocide, all decisions led to one but if the vervoids lived there'd be many. Genesis of the Daleks shows what happens when it's not a choice between genocides. The Time Lords feared these choices because of their power, prior to War Games,then feared the consequences of that choice. Inaction is also an action. The Doctor made a choice, as Light's Champion, to fight evil, not beings, not species but evil. In Evil of the Daleks, he taught the humanized Daleks how to be good. He did not punish the Tesh for past mass murder in Face of Evil, he taught trust. That is why he cannot be a good man. "Good" defines. He is Light's Champion, not Light itself. Like all champions, he makes mistakes. He may be an idiot with a box, but he's also an idiot with a passion, an idiot with a deal with the White Guardian. And the Guardians do not define good and evil. They don't think that small.

[@Star_Spider27]

I'll just say it Peter Capaldi is an AMAZING Doctor

[@maisieh287]

I agree with you

[@SimonB198207]

+White Hat Hack Him and Christopher Ecclston

[@Star_Spider27]

+SimonB198207 Oh yes he was...fantastic

[@ryley323]

+White Hat Hack I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE

[@Aecrouch]

+White Hat Hack I agree.

[@leowulf5280]

Something I find interesting about this is that it was pretty close to being a scenario that I think would have been an actual moral dilemma for the doctor. If not for cases like Danny where they retain some of their humanity. An army of Cybermen made up exclusively of the dead and therefore made without hurting anyone is something I think the doctor would have had a better chance of accepting.

[@MathasiaJ]

I think it would have also been more of a problematic dilemma for other doctors than it was for 12. 9 especially was a doctor that was filled with real anger that needed either tempering or direction and these Cybermen would have given him that direction without the tempering. 10 would probably have dismissed them because he didn't care enough about winning wars, he just wanted to be happy, but 11 would have really struggled because he wanted to save everyone and this would have been a way to do that.

[@oxcare5]

​@@MathasiaJwith 10, it depends at what point in his life. Honestly, if it was around Waters of Mars, he probably would have accepted the army.

[@quantumblauthor7300]

​@@oxcare5with the fallout of _that,_ we would've needed another doctor before Matt Smith's tone would've made sense

[@oxcare5]

@@quantumblauthor7300 yeah, though I don't find Matt Smith being that good as the Doctor, so I wouldn't mind that

[@TheGaviscon]

"Armies are for the people who think they are right" - Missy - Series 8 "I do what I do because it's right" - The Doctor - Series 10 The Master in 'The Doctor Falls' remembers what he said, it all makes sense now!!

[@Anubis2705]

But the Master didn't listen to a word the Doctor said.

[@littlewoot]

@KVAcedo27 he heard but didn't listen

[@robinlillian9471]

Not everyone who thinks he/she is right in a particular circumstance wants or needs an army. It's only the self righteous prigs of the world, who think they're more right than anyone else, and want an army to remake the world in their image. The Master confused doing the right thing with claiming that you're always right. Of course, the Master doesn't understand the Doctor at all, but that's nothing new.

[@robinlillian9471]

@@littlewoot Or maybe the Master listened, but didn't understand.

[@thedoctor1263]

@@Anubis2705 it took until the master became Missy for him to understand what the doctor said

[@StillJustDreaming]

"I need my friend back" - I know it sounds mad to root for Missy, but my heart breaks a bit for her here 1:35

[@julietfischer5056]

If you look at the Master's life (at least on the show), you can see the character break. First appearance, he strides out and introduces himself with all the pride of a supervillain. Then he tries to beat the regeneration limit, ending up the gooey, decaying, mess in _The Deadly Assassin_ and _The Keeper of Traken_ (when he steals Tremas's body). That version was desperate and unhinged. Ainley!Master was overtly evil. Brief stop at the TV movie, where he's just as insane. Then Simms!Master (after a too-brief performance by Derek Jacobi) is this side of completely gone. Missy is broken. Dhawan!Master enjoys the bedlam in his brain.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

@@julietfischer5056 considering the time span, I don't really see an issue

[@robinlillian9471]

StillJustDreaming: Sorry, but I don't have all that much sympathy for narcissists. She was willing to cause how much destruction to "get her friend back"? Here's a clue: If you really want someone's friendship, stop trying to hurt them. Attempting to destroy someone's self respect to win a point is definitely hurting them.

[@cunningsmile4166]

Missy just feels the need to have back the friend she lost. Due to crossing her own timestream where Saxon met her and 12.

[@UltimaSaviorDragon]

Never knew anyone who called themselves an idiot and was so damn proud of it. :P

[@ryley323]

Lol me either

[@rockinrodney5000]

+UltimaSaviorDragon At least it gives you an excuse.

[@goldenblood9316]

+UltimaSaviorDragon You haven't met me, have you?

[@howlergrace4776]

haha

[@leilamarouf4291]

+Howler Grace lllxcsiscffqfffll

[@enclavekelsie8415]

I imagine he remembers back in his Christopher Eccleston form ' You'd make a good Dalek'

[@negamewtwo5535]

I imagine he remembered that in Into the Dalek as well

[@patricknolan1625]

I keep coming back to watch this clip...and this episode as a whole. The thing that strikes me the most is Michelle Gomez as Missy. She is, in my opinion, THE absolute best incarnation of The Master. Every time she's on screen, it feels like she's giving acting lessons to everyone around her, and that's saying something when you're playing opposite to Peter Capaldi, who is an absolutely brilliant actor.

[@julieeverett7442]

I think Roger Delgardo (the original master) would be quite proud of her!

[@robinstevenson1098]

John Simm equally 👍

[@madeleine5561]

​@julie everett she stated she took inspiration from him and I think it shows. It's the first time since him the character had a great deal of depth and the friendship seemed believable

[@animemanXLK]

What's weird is I think in her own twisted way Missy was actually trying to be good here.

[@DuyNguyen-pb4pw]

rewatching this now made me realise an amazing thing about Moffat's story writing. 12th's first season finale was about Missy showing him that he is like her. 12th's final season was about him showing her that she is like him. Just goes to show the relationship of these two and how much they need each other.

[@thepokesage167]

The scene after this has Amy and Rory dying one last time. You don't see it, but if you think about it happens.

[@mr.barcode3186]

Am I the only one who wished they had returned as disconnected cybermen in this episode?

[@julietfischer5056]

They were among the malfunctioning Cybermen, protecting the humans caught in the rain, wondering if the Doctor knew about this, and knowing he was there simply because of Danny's speech.

[@julietfischer5056]

@@mr.barcode3186 - It wouldn't have worked. They'd have had to fly over from the United States and somehow known exactly where the Doctor would be. Then what? Say hello? Be the ones who led the flight into the clouds?

[@NativS2002]

Also Jamie Mccrimmon, and amy previous companion who had logically died of Old Age by present day

[@alextrill5829]

They were probably among those strong enough to resist the cyberconversion, through sheer love. I imagine they just stood there hugging each other all that time, and then flew into the clouds together, without looking.

[@blackvial]

wish they would have at least finished Pink's speech at the end

[@cheetarah9199]

I agree. I know this is supposed to be shorts, but.... whole episodes please?

[@riley4216]

same

[@Pancake3225]

It's cause he teaches PE

[@delbaethmidir3533]

Loved this scene, echoes the complexity behind the Doctor and the Master's relationship throughout the show while putting a new angle on it... Missy wants to prove to the Doctor he is just like her and in a twisted sort of way actually wants to help him. I loved the whole "undead Cybermen" take too. Not only did this two-parter throwback to The Invasion but to Tomb of the Cybermen as well.

[@motherchaos]

+Danny O'Gara The truth is the Doctor & Missy are extremely alike, save for one thing - the Doctor has compassion for others & Missy doesn't.

[@delbaethmidir3533]

+OJWH I prefer Moffat's fan service over RTD's. Moffat alludes to Doctor Who as a whole where RTD only made throwbacks to his own era, culminating in The End of Time which was pure fan service for the Tennant fans more than the Doctor Who fans. I don't see what's so annoying about the occassional throwback to Classic Who.

[@delbaethmidir3533]

+OJWH Did it serve a narrative purpose though? Things such as the Doctor saying goodbye to everyone before he regenerated felt thrown in and dragged out the story to a point where it comoketely threw you out of it. I always had the impression The End of Time actually dropped the arc that had building up and truly came to fruition with The Waters of Mars, and instead chickened out in favour of the Doctor being angsty as usual because bad things always happen to him.

[@arjujannaka9807]

+Danny O'Gara if you watch Sarah Jane Adventure episode Death of the Doctor, we know that the Doctor doesn't only visit the new series companions, but every SINGLE companion, hence that's why his regeneration is so painful because he has been holding it for--i don't know--weeks(?). But since the new series never introduces old series' companions, they werent showed on screen.

[@shanedaley6236]

ya and it makes you see the whole doctor master stuff in a new light as well

[@captainchaos5705]

Capaldi is a master of speeches as always, but my favorite part of this scene is honestly Danny's sendoff. He wasn't a particularly great character, but I liked how he didn't really put up with the Doctor's shenanigans, and the whole "we will burn" thing has such a powerful energy to it.

[@JnEricsonx]

2:50-when that music starts and he smiles like that, let's be honest, every DW fan's heartbeat goes up by 10 because we're about to see something awesome.

[@setharenightblade3342]

My new favorite quote is" love isn't an emotion love is a promise"

[@trogix7332]

Same

[@wyattnizarel7696]

ag reed

[@howlergrace4776]

ME TOO that's why being a cyber man isn't bad

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

+Howler Grace About that, I always found it weird that removing emotions also makes Cybermen obedient to the Controller, Leader, etc. No emotions do not necessarily mean no will.

[@howlergrace4776]

+DarkAdonisVyers true

[@johnfriedgen357]

I'm not gonna lie I liked season 8. I feel like I'm the minority

[@howlergrace4776]

yeah

[@lolman15953]

+Tj Friedgen yeah me too

[@howlergrace4776]

+lolman5552011 same

[@Lythgoemania]

Series 8 is Moffat's best series in my opinion.

[@ayayla7846]

liked season eight too. And especially this scene is great. "Love isn't an emotion. Love is a promise" ...then again, I liked all seasons so far (favourites 1-4 + Specials and DotD). Course there were weaker episodes (and even those had their moments), but overall, liked them all. Hope I'm not alone? ;)

[@daleksvscybermen]

After not hearing ''I am the Doctor'' for a whole season, 2:48 gave me the best eargasm I've ever had.

[@howlergrace4776]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAJAJAHHAHAHAH

[@SamFaitChier]

+daleksvscybermen "I am the Doctor." in Flatline

[@daleksvscybermen]

Samfaitchier When?

[@wearetheframe4293]

+daleksvscybermen he comes out the tardis and say " I'm The Doctor" Clara throws him the sonic screwdriver "and I name you The Boneless".

[@DarthRushy]

+juan suarez He meant the theme tune, not the actual words.

[@ripLunarBirdCLH]

"Love is not an emotion. Love is A PROMISE." That's one of The Doctor's smartest comments. Yes, love is not merely an emotion. Love is something more. An attitude towards the world and the people dear to you. A promise of support and care no matter what happens. Love is true power.

[@kineticpsi]

It took me a while to warm up to Capaldi because he was so different from Matt Smith. He brought it each and every week and won me over. When the writing was good, Capaldi brought his best performances. When it was bad, he still managed to shine in the way only a strong actor could accomplish. You can't help but watch him whenever he's on the screen. He has the right amount of gravitas to play this character and I miss him. I do love Jody and hope her writing will improve next season so she can shine bright as well.

[@ryansilveric3844]

Imagine if that was the graveyard Amy+Rory were buried in and he looked at the two cybermen behind him and cried again..

[@ShadyLampShade]

........

[@ems467]

how could you do this

[@ryansilveric3844]

Fluffy Fluffleheimer Sry XD

[@theStrider199]

i hated the ponds they basically ruined the 11th doctor for me i couldn't bring myself to watch the show until Clara replaced them, the first 11th doctor episode i finished was the episode with Oswin and even then Amy's stupidity drove me to the edge of rage

[@ryansilveric3844]

theStrider199 Well I suppose thats your opinion, I wont try to counter it xD

[@brianartillery]

This scene... This scene is so magnificently dark, and yet, tells you everything about The Doctor in a few short minutes. You really feel for Missy - she's been too clever, and lost - and she knows it. Great writing, and brilliant acting really make this stand out.

[@MisterFourby]

"I'm not a Batman."

[@ragingblizzard54]

Zuber Commodore he doesn't say that 😂

[@GrumpyBritishJedi]

Zuber Commodore Take my like

[@tomas.bednar]

hear for yourself 2:50

[@theabyss310]

Zuber Commodore I can't unheard it now

[@cerulean22b69]

I almost read it as "i am not a goodman" and kept scrolling, then i was like. . . Wait...wut?

[@cel2590]

"Love is not an emotion. It's a promise" The best description of love ever.

[@adamkarsjens1940]

Not to mention Danny saying he will never hurt her .....ever want to know if someone is worth giving a damn about relationship wise .....find the one that would never knowingly and or willingly hurt you even at their expense.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

It's not quite that simple. A choice, an emotion, a skill, a promise.

[@swordseye2]

Do me a favour and tell me what the promise is. It might just save my relationship

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

@@swordseye2 promise to always pull through difficulties, to not give up, to always protect each other and never hurt each other.

[@swordseye2]

@@eeveeofalltrades4780 not in time to save my relationship but actually I made the right choice to leave because he broke that promise. However I have now found someone who will keep that promise

[@calebtsedzik6222]

DANNY PINK: "Rain will not fall." MISSY: "Oh. Why won't it?" DANNY PINK: "The clouds will burn." MISSY: "And who will burn them?" DANNY PINK: "I will burn them." MISSY: "How?" DANNY PINK: "I will burn." MISSY: "One burning Cyberman is hardly going to save the planet." DANNY PINK: "Correct." The most badass Danny Pink moment ever. Applauding.

[@JnEricsonx]

Seriously, if that tone of his at the end didn't put a similar shock through MIssy like the Doctor had done to her previous incarnations....I dunno what the hell would.

[@julieeverett7442]

I really didnt enjoy Danny but this was a VERY worthy sendoff for him and I was cheering him, that had to be one of the best companion speeches in the modern era!

[@opscontaylor8195]

They cut the speech off too soon in this clip.

[@rhocat362]

The only badass Danny Pink

[@buscemidisguisedasbatman5840]

I have to say it... I liked Season 8 and its story arc.. I'm sorry, I just personally enjoyed it. It didn't always make sense but scenes like this just make me happy that Peter Capaldi had a chance to be The Doctor

[@robinlillian9471]

The stories lost their internal logic somewhere during the 11th Doctor's time, years before the more recent precipitous downfall with Chibnall. It is no longer fixable without a long hiatus and a totally new reboot.

[@TrueForm]

You shouldn't have to apologise for liking something. If people are going to judge you for something like that, they can piss off.

[@yehiahuzayyin7972]

Don't apologize, I loved it too. Capaldi's Doctor is the one with the most character development since Hartnell and Colin Baker.

[@ereynolds72]

I don’t know what I love more. The doctors cheeky smirk just before his declaration, or the way all of the stress and hate melts away from missy upon his answer, and she looks almost endeared in that moment. She thought she could finally bring him down to her level, and he just completely flips the script and she can’t help but love the fact her old friend always has a way out, is always, in the end, a good person. The master/missy’s hatred of the doctor is only eclipsed by their love and admiration of him. Knowing in the end missy stood for him and died is so sad, but so beautiful, he finally cracked their shell and ignited that spark of compassion and empathy again. Anytime the master and missy are on the same page you have to worry, they stormed into skaro without a single causality, they faced down rassilon, they truly could be the universes greatest force

[@maxcarterrambling]

see YOU get it. i like you, you've got a good mind for this kinda thing

[@ereynolds72]

@@maxcarterrambling this is one of the more weird, vague, components I ever received but I love it all the same haha. Thank you dude

[@bambisbluebell]

*dramatic music plays* I. AM... An idiot! *dramatic music stops in confusion* With a box and a screwdriver *dramatic music tentatively comes back, confused as to whether it's supposed to be there or not*

[@christopherbailey-s4c]

😂 this show and it's fans help me feel a range of emotions unlike anywhere else. If you'd told me two years ago that i could be feeling bad for the music on a TV show... well played, friend

[@ZephWraen]

I really loved 12's character arc over his tenure, because his first series really was him just trying to figure out who he is now. For most incarnations we get that learning period for maybe an episode or two, but 12 took a little longer. Maybe it was the new regeneration cycle, or maybe it was just all the crap he had been through, but it took him an entire season to arrive at this conclusion. This is when he really started to feel like The Doctor to me, and he's since grown to become my favorite Doctor.

[@moridain]

I genuinely loved that episode. It was a glorious farewell to PE, who I for one quite liked, and this scene was insanely meaningful for the Doctor. He had spent the last so very long trying to be a hero and fearing he was a villain. He needed to remember that for all his knowledge and resources he really is just a random idiot in a box.

[@saramaresca6739]

WE WANT MORE MISSY

[@ValpasKankaristo]

Who's we?

[@saramaresca6739]

+Valpas Kankaristo who isn't?

[@sectorzisnumbuhone]

+Sara Maresca I want more of her! :D

[@jodsilla6105]

Me want missy back tooooooooo

[@adiel3e375]

Sara Maresca y mi fui hykh,o uhjmyyryyyuhjuuut6ihl x9hu7y

[@ILuvSmexyShowgirls]

Missy: One burning Cyberman can hardly save the planet. P:...correct...LET'S TRY ALL THE CYBERMEN BURNING TOGETHER! :D Go P! Go and kick ass! :D

[@howlergrace4776]

oh yeah

[@AdamStaticC]

P?

[@FroyoShark]

+Sekishokudo P.E.

[@stumoo5564]

ya lol

[@RedDragonForce2]

General Pink ready for Duty!! Duty: Protect Clara Oswald, and the Earth!!

[@Chrisyork1989]

12: “I don’t need an Army, I’ve got them.” The Celestial Toymaker: “WELL THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!”

[@MrJohnsonDeluxe]

Missy showed why the Doctor would never kill the Master-he knew his friend was still in there.

[@jimkirk4357]

I absolutely loved Missy. A character written well and performed with love by Ms Gomez. I simply adore HER. SHE was SO entertaining, I looked forward to every episode she was in.

[@KieronSmithMusic]

I forgot how good this episode was!!! Need to watch that series all over again

[@ROBLOXAltitude]

I loved this episode. Just an opinion to combat all the negative ones.

[@ggmrgameanddraw]

This just gives the show so much history. "I need my friend back..." I almost cried!

[@girlfromthevillage403]

' love is not an emotion. Love is a promise'. So incredibly true and such a beautiful way to put it 💖

[@lastraven8575]

3:06 is the moment where missy realised she did have her friend back. The doctor remembered who he was and returned to being her best enemy

[@lastraven8575]

That smile when he says I am an idiot just screams "yes you are, welcome back theta"

[@redheadedbandet]

And I hereby declare myself the only one who loved this arc or this episode in general! XD

[@ericputney4598]

Hey I'm with you!

[@redheadedbandet]

+Eric Putney Yay! Somebody else! :D

[@charlieinthefog]

+Eliana Peninger I'm with you man

[@eugenemillarfarley5504]

+Eliana Peninger I'm not alone?! :O

[@karenreznor4204]

+Eliana Peninger i loved it

[@grimalkin705]

There's a lot people saying here that they like or dislike Peter Capaldi as the Doctor. I don't really have a favourite myself, I just like to think that each actor that played the Doctor each brought in something special to the Doctor Who series and made it such a great TV series, they're all brilliant in their own way! :) I hope the series continues on for a long time yet!

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Accurate

[@EmeraldDude]

Well I’m not sure about 13 but yeah

[@cyberfox7249]

@@EmeraldDude even 13th had good episodes

[@aloneatmyownwake]

I won't survive without the "don't forget to click below" Capaldi jumpscare... :(

[@Capitainnpop]

I love this speech cause it describes perfectly who is the doctor for me, just a person traveling and doing his best to help people. Sure he may be a time lord with a Time Machine and can regenerate, but in his heart he’s just like us, with flaws and weaknesses, and that’s why he’s so relatable

[@willh2690]

Steven Moffat had many flaws as a head writer, but "I am an idiot, with a box and a screwdriver. Passing through, helping out, learning." is THE thesis statement of who The Doctor is, and one of the best pieces of writing in the entirely series.

[@owenrichards1418]

Capaldi was just so good. Look at his face at 2:10 when he realises what Missy has set him up for. He was a really great Doctor and hardly anyone acknowledges this.

[@Zestieee]

"Armies are for people who think they're right" holy f that goes hard

[@PlanetNiles]

I just love how proud Missy looks as CyberDanny gives her sass.

[@zachh6868]

I love his smile for this bit, Capaldi was such a good doctor. I've watched this clip so many times over the years, the music and the speech are sooo goood

[@MagicalGirlMarina]

"Love is not an emotion. Love is a promise!" is such a beautiful line -- and true, in all the best relationships I've seen. I even used it in my wedding vows!

[@edgonlo17]

This is just so perfect, one of this moments that show how humble the doctor, and anyone can be, this should be what any super hero, or hero, or just adventures stories need to reach, that there's no such thing as a good man, because we all have made, and should make horrible mistakes to learn from them, that anyone is a saint, but at the same time, anyone can be a saint, anyone brave enough to help with whatever is needed, maybe just something stupid like asking someone how is it going in a bus stop. Because you may change that person's world, or something as stupid as writing a fiction, a story, a characther that can inspire people to be better and to have fun and be good and expand the joy all over the world. For one self and for others, I think that's when the world is better, will be better. And I wouldn't feel more hopeful of that dream than when I watch Doctor Who, Capaldi will always be my favorite.

[@MiloXaben]

Man... Missy needs to come back!

[@sectorzisnumbuhone]

I know! I miss her! I hope she's epic, beautiful, sexy and funny while still being cruel, mischievous, mean and murderous in series 10! :D

[@cainster]

She actually "returns" in the next season. Whenever the hell that shows up.

[@homuraakemi103]

Good news. She gets the same death immunity now as the classic Masters...

[@sectorzisnumbuhone]

***** lol.

[@LosloTypical]

Well, and now she's dead. He killed herself? I guess.. Whoops.

[@mycroft16]

Good God Missy was the best. She chews up the scene any time she's on screen. it's amazing. "I need you to understand that we're not so different. I need my friend back." There's a lot packed into those two lines, especially with how The Doctor's face reacts to them. And the fact that he more or less does manage to redeem The Master... proves she was right. Just not quite how she initially meant it.

[@Sanbaddy]

The scariest part is, The Master (Missy) is like The Doctor’s greatest fear, a perfectly loyal undying companion. Someone who instead of guiding The Doctor through journeys, instead creates that journey and indulges The Doctor’s worst attributes.

[@dottore988]

Love how Danny P. says: -"the rain will not fall" -"oh why won't it?" -"the clauds will burn" -"and who will burn them?" -"I will burn them" -"how" -"I will burn"

[@ConcaCon]

Missy was such a worthy adversary.

[@CinemaBiohazard]

Yeah, I'm sure she'll never be back. The Master has never conquered death before on numerous, numerous occasions. ;)

[@Soundwave45681]

explain how she came back at the end of when she changed from The Master into The Mistress(Missy) then

[@djcuevas1057]

he was sarcastic

[@DaDunge]

Oh yes I too am 100% certain (s)he's gone for good.

[@Cragified]

If you think about it, the way that Missy met her supposed end is perfect for her. She's free of her past self and free of her promises and feelings towards the doctor at the same time. For all we know she could be galavanting around like the Doctor just being neutralish now while both the doctor and her past self (which immediately forgets) thought her dead. But only our future will tell.

[@Mario-us5xm]

This? This is the best dynamic of the Doctor and the Master for me An ambiguous irrational Master who does what she wants and a calculative cold Doctor who does what he must because above everything else it is kind

[@videogamesonly7544]

Am I the only person who just LOVES the way all the music stops when he says idiot then continues straight afterwards

[@prinzezze]

The current doctor don't have a single quote that stuck in my brain. So I'm rewatching the old ones.

[@marcuswalters8093]

This scene is where this Doctor finally clicked into place for me. For most of the series, I struggled to engage but here is where I saw just what he was capable of. Queue two series of character defining performances. I still think he had one more series in him.

[@ironman1181]

perhaps that was the point as he seemed to struggle himself until this point.

[@ZidaneWarner]

While 12 is my Doctor, it took me a while to warm up to him and it was here when that realization was starting and and was his kindness speech that made me realize it

[@DaDunge]

2:45 Love how Missy sees that grin and you can tell she knows she's beaten but not how.

[@TheRealTburt]

I called Missy being the Master almost as soon as she started showing up.

[@eradens932]

The "I need my friend back" hit a nerve in me.

[@papirooster6236]

See that's why Missy was great the idea that the master had finally gotten to the point of loneliness, that in a twisted ass way was trying to get her friend back.

[@180223]

And then they ruined the character in season 12.

[@naomi1717]

"I AM A IDIOT!"

[@CastelDawn]

you really are, it's AN idiot

[@wanderlustwarrior]

This is not the Doctor's moment. This is Danny Pink's moment. I salute you Danny. Not as a soldier, but a good man who went to war.

[@chriscampbell9172]

I think the 12th's era is a sadly underappreciated arc. I loved him!!

[@billwalker1345]

In that moment, all doubts as to who he was, just slipped away, and he was The Doctor again

[@Wooktent]

Good to know, in one way or another, that fantastic "You would make a good Dalek" line from the 9th still holds something.

[@Nolinquisitor]

"♫ I need my ♫ friend back ♫" God I love Missy.

[@smallpox9254]

Whenever anyone does a compilation of the Doctor's greatest speeches, they always skip this one. It's easy to overlook, it wasn't a long one. But it was one of the best.

[@chrispy3369]

So I did Chibnall even watch this episode at all. The Doctor isn't some immortal messianic figure and because of that the most important figure in the universe. He's just an idiot with a time machine helping out wherever he can. That is the reason why he is a legend.

[@EmeralBookwise]

The weird thing is that ignoring the whole Timeless Child nonsense, Chibnall's doctor would otherwise be one of the most lowkey incarnations. Just a girl and her fam touring the universe while occasionally cleaning up whatever trouble they stumble across along the way.

[@minglin2814]

The music and the way he says his speech after he said "I am an idiot" was amazing in sure 99% people all smiled during that speech

[@oricalu448]

The way the music cuts out, just briefly, makes this scene perfect.