I am too dumb to use Ubuntu!

Ubuntu is a hipster distribution for people who want to show off my making things difficult for themselves. I prefer Arch/Artix or Gentoo (GNU/)Linux. Ubuntu and Debian and Linux Mint really make basic things too hard for me, a Linux newbie.
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[@taquitoburrito]

>No seatbelt >Using Cellphone while driving >"I'm too dumb to use ubuntu" Smort

[@theowaldburg]

Luke is just too much of a boomer for any of that

[@fiddledotgoth]

"If you use Ubuntu, you're just a hipster trying to make things hard for yourself..."; I'm so glad someone finally said that... #bewilderednoobusingArchspin

[@hrhcrab]

One moment ranting about "bloat" next complaining that the FIFTY-ONE THOUSAND packages in the debian repo is not enough...

[@zedxcu]

@Fayd Yes

[@rafeu2288]

@Fayd one of 4 channel forum section about technology.

[@lacertaborealis5644]

Boomer yells at containers

[@t74devkw]

I've seen this comment a hundred times for God's sake it breaks me every time

[@All4mula]

Drives to container Gets container from container Puts container in car

[@leviticus8930]

Container protects him from the elusive yet majestic Florida Ethernet Cable Snake

[@joetheman74]

He's a millennial. Get your facts straight. Boomers were born no later than 1964. Gen X 1965 to 1980. Millennials are 1981 to 1996.

[@leoj43453]

Kid - "Hey Uncle Luke, can we get ice-cream on the way home?" Luke - "Here's the thing..."

[@monolithworldline]

Ice-creams are way too bloated. They're also insecure. You have no reason to believe that vanilla ice-cream is actually vanilla ice-cream. You should really just drink hardened milk.

[@Tudorgeable]

Here's the thing: You don't need carbs, there's no such thing as essential carbs. It's called a Ketone body manager for a reason!

[@ivailopetrov2827]

@@Tudorgeable Ah yes, the keto meme

[@vOddy75]

Now here's the thing though: Ice cream is just cream and sugar. If you replace the sugar with some thing like stevia, then you're really just eating frozen cream, giving you a clean source of calories free of sugar. And the thing is, too, you're getting plenty of vitamin A from the cream, making this one of the healthier and more nutrient dense desserts.

[@ilsirent9726]

@@vOddy75 and what does cream consist of?

[@awabqureshi814]

Luke: Containers are for bad distros Also Luke: *has a container in the middle of nowhere*

[@faye_isc]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 im crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥

[@yoshi314]

well, he's no distributor.

[@richardmatthewstallman4174]

bro that's his house so rude

[@whatthehack1589]

Looool

[@rektifyr...]

@@richardmatthewstallman4174 it's a boomer container. It keeps him from walking up to random people and ranting about technology.

[@geremachek]

Luke why don't you ride a horse instead of a car? They are much more configurable to selective breeding and allow the user to have a more personalized experience by bonding with the horse. Unless you want to pay loads of money and waste lots of time, a car is pretty much stuck on its factory settings. Furthermore, a car requires expensive fuel and maintenance, a horse only needs fuel that you could grow yourself, thus saving you money.

[@ilsirent9726]

Horse needs more fuel in terms of volume and (not sure about that part, this is country-dependent) price. You have to spend much more time on maintenance of the horse. Breeding takes decades of years, life span is really low though. And at the end it is much harder to fix broken horse.

[@NikoxD93]

Are horses herbivores? Also what is better, a horse or a bike?

[@geremachek]

@@ilsirent9726 Modern cars use proprietary software. Although horses do as well, they run software that the user could not feasibly change (or want to change) without building a new system from the ground up.

[@ilsirent9726]

@@geremachek check opengarages.org and rusefi.com if you want to know more about opensource ECU's. But yeah, most cars do use proprietory software. Though, it can not spy on you or smth unless you're driving something really advanced.

[@ilsirent9726]

@catalystleader I would not call something that eats 0.6-0.7 ton of food per month (~300 kg of it are human-consumable products such as carrot, oats, bran, beets, apples) making me less dependent, and let's not forget about veterinary charges. Imagine how many litres of biodiesel you can brew out of this amount of food.

[@BrianM180]

Luke: sees a random shed in the middle of nowhere Also Luke: It's free Real Estate

[@Cookiekeks]

Lmao

[@arcynic5404]

Absolute Landchad

[@towardsthelight220]

F the POH-leece

[@dusilva3796]

Ubuntu have no errors if you turn off the error messages

[@ReviewBlogVlog]

Big brain time

[@galacticusX]

Is it suckless to drive 12 mins to get a cable from the shed?

[@seronymus]

Niga worried about bloat in his desktop but not his gas tank

[@jordanc.m.6735]

Man, the general stores in rural America look a lot different to how I expected

[@aaronstark171]

Uncle Luke lives in 1800s

[@ichaa3tech]

Yea i thought they look like movies

[@honkhonk8009]

What general store? Dudes a schizo and has a fucking shed in the middle of the forest lol

[@ukrainian333]

Anyone: - What do you store in that container, if you need place it in the midle of the forest? Luke Smith: - Wired connectors in XEROX boxes

[@unfa00]

Luke: Containers are for bad distros Also Luke:

[@laz0rbra1n]

And books about languages.

[@aken0]

Luke giving off serious supreme gentleman vibes

[@BunnyKhatri-pd8zm]

YOU BLANK SOMO

[@enthusiast526]

Boomer blurred 90% of the screen failing to censor the "private road" sign.

[@turanamo]

At 10:38 right side center

[@emiliodg9605]

When you're a SysAdmin and have to chose between making a guide on how to install a whole LAMP/LEMP setup for each engineer, or deploying a Docker image, you understand the real reason why containers exist.

[@xombsd3396]

Or Ansible Salt Puppet Chef. I manage about 10 machines personal and volunteer and still don't consider myself any kind of sysadmin.

[@michaelmalter2236]

Yeah that is the issue, sys admins are not doing their job because we are not hiring enough of them. I don't expect a sysadmin to write guides for anybody but himself.

[@nottobay6768]

@@michaelmalter2236 Even if they have enough junior admins more OSes/distroa means more unforeseen problems, that's what containers where built to solve, not prop up deficient distros.

[@michaelmalter2236]

@@nottobay6768 I respectfully disagree. This docker fad is the worst form of virtualization available on the market, it's a new layer with its number of issues. It does not prevent you from learning how a Linux distro works. And more importantly, I expect sysadmins to deal with the os complexity and access its specific features. *It's your fucking job*. Also, there are vast exploitation costs related to virtualization . Many big companies are now going back to saner infrastructures. I do like the reproducibility that docker brings. I don't think you should do virtualization for that reason though. Guix brings you that without implementing an half assed usage of LXC.

[@nottobay6768]

@@michaelmalter2236 I should have specified I thought they were lazy unless for some reason you are using Windows. Chroots do most of that while not necessarily needing as much privilege or overhead, so those are probably better.

[@leviticus8930]

Ubuntu: Snaps for all. Bow to me in all my glory. Thou shalt use snaps no choice. Debian: Sorry, ignore the bastard child.

[@bitnatures]

I always thought flatpacks/snap/appimages we're stupid because on any rolling-release distro you don't have the problem that they are trying to fix. The only thing it makes sense for is legacy software where a developer does not support it anymore which just inherently goes against the Linux philosophy of open source where a fork is made by someone who wants the software to continue. Plus the security benefits that they so "create" are fictional. Last time I tried both snap and flatpacks, most of them allowed you to modify the home directory where you could pretty much just add some malicious code to the .bashrc and bam easy exploit. Furthermore many security patches from the software "sandboxed" took weeks to get there.

[@randomuser5237]

Leviticus It's hard to ignore when 90% of the people know about you because of your bastard child.

[@willmaud2359]

​@@bitnatures The linux philosophy is fucking stupid. If the developer dies, or doesn't feel like "supporting" their software, that software shouldn't become unusable. "Support" should not be necessary.

[@szewal]

@@willmaud2359 why not? If your software sucks and you die and nobody wants to continue developing it then there is probably better software out there that people actually care about anyways

[@mytech6779]

@@willmaud2359 A rather incoherant statement.

[@memorial2k8]

lol that soydev voice :D

[@obedm503]

Soydev Morty confirmed

[@kunt230]

Hannah Montana Linux is superior. Don’t think it receives updates so it is probably darn fucking stable.

[@srclevenger]

KZbin: "recommended for you 'I'm too dumb to use Ubuntu'" Thanks KZbin

[@NotAFanMan88]

Imagine using containers on desktop where every single program has its own copy of python and java and node so you never need to worry about dependencies. Meanwhile your drive space....

[@ШивеГеоргий]

4tb hdd? 100$ for stability? I am in¡

[@WilliamEggington]

I feel forced to use Ubuntu in order to keep my nvidia graphics cards happy. Ubuntu is the only officially supported distro for nvidia. :-/

[@elmegagamer1]

@@ШивеГеоргий ssd

[@xdevs23]

@@WilliamEggington not really, you can run NVIDIA's installer if your kernel is supported. If you have 5.6 or older that should work. For 5.7 you need a patch that is available on some git wiki site and in the AUR

[@WilliamEggington]

@@xdevs23 go ahead and try it. You have to comment out all of the distro packages that deal with X11 which causes you to have to keep your eye on that whenever you do a distro upgrade. I can't tell you how many times I have had to manually re-install the nvidia drivers from the command line in an emergency mode because I accidentally tried to get an application to work with CUDA, opencl etc.

[@darksevenmaster5398]

Arch doesn't break Ubuntu comes broken 😂😂 so true

[@mrmugame]

arch breaks on updates, but only if you have nvidia drivers installed!

[@evmanbutts]

I use AMD and don't have issues... Based

[@RitzyBusiness]

Sometimes ubuntu breaks on fresh install with nvidia drivers.

[@vik914]

@creative name based? Based on facts

[@kresimircosic9035]

Using Pop!_OS, no issues at all. Best Linux experience I ever had.

[@loli42]

dkms

[@MrPolluxxxx]

You're right Luke, seatbelts are bloat.

[@mr_don_key]

"....Ubuntu or Debian are stable, and in Arch linux.. oh it just breaks all the time. is not true at all, but i'll talk about that later...."

[@toorero]

I waited for that kind of comment. Thank you.

[@vladxero6692]

totaly agree, this boomer made me confused

[@loli42]

cringe comment. it doesn't mean anything in real life; if it still works it still works. are you gonna keep crying about it? do you want me to take off my belt?

[@chmod-id5rx]

This. After using both Mint and Manjaro for a couple monhts I would recommend Manjaro for any personal computer. However once you get into bigger projects, where several people HAS to work on a single server and you want that server up 100% of the time the stability that you get by not being on the latest version is worth it. Basically several people with several computers will want to push updates once they consider them ready, and test them with the latest version of the project. Now suppose that they not only should coordinate with other people to not step on each others work, but also pay constant attention to every latest update someone unrelated to the project does. Oh the latest update decided to remove that function needed for 99% of your code? Welp, enjoy everybody changing everything at the last second and being unable to test it properly, and pray to the god of conflicts in Git that the downtime you have doesn't leave you out of business. Still yeah for private computers just use Arch

[@JohnHolmestheSecond]

Nonsense argument from people who have never tried arch in production. Rolling release distros are not less stable by any means. This fear of waking up to a broken server because a lib got updated is just crazy; it doesn't happen on RRDs. It actually is a fear generated by OSes like Ubuntu, where they take so long to update stuff that by the time you get a new package, its a huge distance from the previous version and thus highly different. On top of that, they never update the full tree correctly, so your shit is broken. The only real way to do it is to run like Red Hat/CentOS, which is so fixed in place there are never breaks, or to use RRDs like Arch, which are so micro-updated that nothing ever breaks. fwiw I've been running Arch on desktop for years now, and never once had it break. I run Arch on my server, with updates on a cronjob. No issues, ever. If I install Ubuntu/Pop!OS, it will break within a week unfailingly.

[@thepuzzlemaster64]

Here's my process when I installed Arch vs. Installing Debian: •Arch took me weeks to figure-out what to do and what every command does, but now I can install it in 5-10 minutes (not counting internet speeds) •Debian has an auto installer, but it couldn't connect to my internet (even after getting the driver for my Wi-Fi card) and is unable to continue with the install. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but if an auto-installer is harder to use than manually installing a Distro, then there's definitely something wrong with your Distro.

[@aedd3307]

He's talking about using it, not installing it.

[@coldwindminerals2358]

@@aedd3307 One leads to the other. Why would I continue to attempt to use the "easier" when I can't even start?

[@thepuzzlemaster64]

@@aedd3307 But you're technically using them while you are installing them. Just playing with ya. I wanted to try to install Debian on my PC just to see how different it was compared to Arch, and because Debian supports more architectures and has more packages than Arch. ... But since the installer hated my Ethernet and WiFi card (even though I could still connect to my internet during the installation), along with Debian burying the "non-free" version of Debian, Debian refusing to work after I found the Debian package for my WiFi card, and Luke Smith mentioning that Debian in general is harder to use compared to other "D.I.Y." Distros (Arch, Gentoo, Void, ...). This more or less killed all interest that I had with Debian... And I haven't even installed it. Guess I'll go with daddy Gentoo if I want more Architecture and package support... Not yet though, I'm still learning with Arch.

[@dhaneshs3618]

Use the nonfree iso of debian instead of free iso.. for everything to work properly.

[@hen6003]

@@dhaneshs3618 so u have to use proprietary software to get an open source os to work...

[@cleitonoliveira932]

3:40 Calm down, Morty.

[@hrsfic]

Now that I watched it again, it does sound like Morty

[@theredcap_yt]

I know where Luke is going from but 4:40 where he talks about the "real" reason for using containers is not quite true. It is not because of "debain" thing. Not all developers use Linux or the same distro's and version of Operating System, thus it becomes quite a challenge to set up the development environment most of the time, also sometimes you might want to stick to the LTS version of some software rather than jumping into the "new version" as in arch. Docker lets you do this, although you can manually set not to upgrade the package, docker is easy. Different distributions have their own priorities and different reasons for their existence. You cannot claim Arch to be the "perfect" distro. Ubuntu and Arch follow different approaches and have their own principles.

[@Philip550c]

Been using Debian based distros for 15 years, I feel comfortable with them and don't want to switch. Nothing against other distros.

[@KbIPbIL0]

Luke "imma talk about that later" Smith

[@umka7536]

Luke. Containers are used for mass deployment of the same things or for re-installation of specific things of the specific version. It is much easier than to install program. I can spin off 10 copies of NGINX or 10 copies of the same mail server with slightly different parameters (e.g. different domain names) on the same host OS (or inside VM) using containers. Containers also bring portability, I can run the same container setup on Debian, Ubuntu, CentOS, Arch. I like to use containers for my server things like Web servers, home automation server, etc. But using containers for maintenance of local PC programs - is too much, and IMHO completely unnecessary. And Ubuntu is kinda OK, until you need latest versions of programs and you start to play with all additional repos. And they work, until you do main upgrade from one LTS to another LTS version of Ubuntu. Then all those things break and bringing things back to work might be painful or at least time consuming.

[@shuwan4games]

you should look into nix then

[@Horstlicious]

you, my friend, will hate qubes os. But it is a reasonably secure operating system.

[@piscue]

I agree, containers help to developers run the same environment that the production server will run. Only this makes a great impact when you have to work in a certain scale

[@jarilo8639]

It's called RTFM -> Debian Administrator's Handbook. Dependency management and versioning is why something like Gentoo or LFS was created. Packages are built with certain requirements for their binaries and if they don't match up you have to install multiple version and link them correctly. This is easy to do if you know how to do it but becomes a giant mess in the long run and upgrading becomes more tricky. Arch has it's own set of problems and I would rather take dependency management with something like Debian over the problems Arch has. With Arch you could have a working system, upgrade and because some library decided to change how a function works your entire system is broken with no ability to fix it other than roll back and upgrade things manually(which is far more time consuming than dependency management). Debian tells you something isn't going to work before you install it. Arch lets you update that makes the system FUBAR. In a production environment where your server being down costs you money, the choice becomes obvious. TBH If you have problems installing PeerTube on a Debian server without docker you should probably stay away from Linux administration and stick to ricing.

[@DaRkShadOwxXx14]

6:09

[@jarilo8639]

@@DaRkShadOwxXx14 Yeah, it rarely just falls apart and breaks. But if you are running custom code or applications that may need a specific function when you update the system they break. That is why Debian Stable is called stable. It's not that it has less bugs/exploits. It's that the environment you are using is not changing potentially introducing incompatibilities. If I write my own rendering engine for fun on Debian 10 using Vulkan, it is not guaranteed to work on Debian 11 because a lot of stuff is going to be updated. Except with Arch this could happen every week instead of every couple years. I don't know how Arch tests it's packages to prevent giant bugs, but I'm sure it works fine for the most part. Those large breaks are extremely rare. 99% of the time if there is an issue it will just crash due to some weird exception without reasons somewhere. Those are worse from user perspective since a FUBAR system has a simple solution. A bug that is happening in some version of software under specific conditions but the rest of the system is fine is harder to notice and fix.

[@DaRkShadOwxXx14]

Jarilo Appreciate your perspective and both comments, thank you.

[@jordanski5421]

Boomer can't focus on road while driving and recording.

[@xdevs23]

Boomer forgot to put seatbelt on

[@igorswies5913]

Isn't it a private road?

[@s1n7ax]

"It can't break because it comes broken" XD

[@MarkHobbes]

A shirt of this phrase and Ubuntu logo would be cool

[@leoliu2079]

I thought you hate roads...!

[@damien523]

he also hates containers but he drives on the road to go to a container to take a container to his house via the road again

[@htpinw1813]

Im literally in love with his thumbnails

[@moeTLD]

the whole enforced snap thing is turning it into a budget mac os

[@Mpdarkguy]

Honestly if you've got so deep into self hosting stuff, and brought up containers, you might wanna look into the "REAL" reason they have been invented: easy management and orchestration between machines. Imagine being a Chad that self hosts everything he uses, you might wanna look into kubernetes if you wanna do it properly like small businesses and corporations do. Containerisation is legit worth it only if you're doing it at a scale where you want your stuff to be resilient and stay up even if one of your machines breaks. I'd legit love if you'd get into kubernetes, but I kinda doubt it. It's the opposite of minimalism, but it's much more scalable and flexible than just running installed packages. In a more related note, cool vid. I've always hit trouble when troubleshooting friends' Ubuntu machines in general, so I kinda felt this one.

[@sokoTV2]

So I'm not a mongoloid. I couldn't install a basic program like Wine because Ubuntu sucks? Thanks for letting me know Linux isn't always going to be like that.

[@sokoTV2]

@@bonniesalads3150 Nah, I just needed to install something for school. Steam's Proton service works fine for the small amount of games I would want to play on Linux that doesn't have native support. I should have figured something was fishy since it was so easy to use Proton, since it's just a fork of Wine.

[@addygreen8919]

Wine should be in the official repos. Have you tried "sudo apt-get install wine" ?

[@CarlosSMA_]

@@addygreen8919 as far as i know, this install a really old version of wine. At least for me, i had to install following the instructions at the winehq site. It was a pain in the ass to learn it (i had zero knowledge of source.list and that stuff), but when you learn it, it isn't *that* difficult to install

[@hanes2]

Ubuntu need to get snapped out of there

[@vik914]

Nice

[@____-gy5mq]

Vice

[@evmanbutts]

Nice

[@jjtt]

Nice

[@TheAntiCasper]

Nice

[@lesterknome]

You probably meant it for personal use case, but containers are very nice when deploying on cloud machines that vary in hardware. This is often necessary for load balancing and cloud servers are often more secure than centralized hosting for large companies (it’s easier for hackers to attack one centralized location). I am interested in hearing why you claim containers are insecure, I find them to be very useful.

[@Koutsie]

that shed looks like a perfect place to host something from. and a nice weather station spot too.

[@sharoyveduchi]

"wires and conncectors". Whatchu workin on Uncle Ted?

[@breakername9995]

Nice you picked the Forest biome to build your house.

[@MrHatoi]

I've been using Ubuntu as my main install for years and I completely agree with everything you said here. I use Arch on my laptop; only reason I haven't switched to Arch yet on my desktop is because I'm too lazy to install it.

[@Deon2137]

doesnt it have that installer thing?

[@honkhonk8009]

How easier is Arch actually. Because so far I have zero reason to use anything but Ubuntu, just cus ubuntu seems to have zero problems lmfao

[@utsavpoudyal4421]

What happened at 10:38 we may never know

[@johannessonn6141]

He shape shifted

[@tealc6218]

@big boy I was thinking the same thing, but maybe in the reflection of his sunglasses.

[@k8ieone]

@@tealc6218 Kree!

[@lucasb0rges]

@big boy But you can see by the reflex in the glasses

[@X_Baron]

When making user interfaces simple, people always like to hide all of the information so that when things break, and break they will, there's nothing you can do because you don't know what went wrong. Such fun.

[@justadude8716]

That’s not the case with Ubuntu lmao

[@N-A762]

Can confirm my first distro was ubuntu because I was told it was easy. It was such a pain in the ass. Years later I tried Manjaro and had so much fun with it it ignited my interest again. Now im using artix which is pretty neato! May try alpine in the future.

[@jonathanrodriguez7737]

Are u using a DE on Artix or a WM? If DE, which one?

[@N-A762]

@@jonathanrodriguez7737 I am using LXQt with Openbox. I have been wanting to try DWM for a while but have just been lazy.

[@AndrewLovelesss]

ow ffmpeg stabilization hurt my eyes...

[@davidsmith5201]

Imagine getting tech advice from a boomer living in the woods.

[@olivermclaughlin4494]

That soydev impression made my bones cold

[@Telopead]

The thing is Luke. People don’t want Arch and use Debian etc mainly because they want stable api/abi. For large project, sysadmin and dev often wants full control over the system. This includes knowing how the kernel code behaves and how the library code behaves. It’s in the sysadmins best interest to make the system as stable as possible. What arch provides, is ease of installation, and the fast upgrade. None of which is what people want. Also about container. You’ve completely missed the mark. Container is used to contain environment. It’s less about being able to install shit. But about being able you use whatever without fucking up the main environment.

[@cornel9472]

Imagine seeing a boomer going 50 down your neighborhood without a seatbelt, phone in hand, while rambling about an obsecure os

[@cgolson84]

I've had the same experience using Ubuntu as a desktop user. It always runs great out of the box but as soon as you start installing software you hit bumps where things start to become unstable. I've never actually had that issue on Mint for some reason, and Arch and Manjaro have been flawless for years.

[@mikoajbednarek9230]

Agree. The only real advantage of using Ubuntu is that is the default distro. So when you use proprietary stuff (evening stuff like encryption for banking) they usually just ship it for Ubuntu and call it a day.

[@vik914]

Uhm akchually its pronounced "oo-boon-two".

[@vik914]

@John Kunai das ignorant

Booga-boogu

[@bahshas]

BIX NOOD

[@davidr2421]

It's Uh-bun-tuh

[@silvernode]

I think this every time someone calls it ooobuntoo and most people get it wrong. Glad you pointed it out since it drives me nuts.

[@caubert]

haven't seen Arch brake like ever. Manjaro had some package conflicts once, but easily resolvable...

[@oniondesu9633]

Also if you just check the Arch linux news feed before you do your updates, you'll know what to do to fix any fault instantly, only happens a couple of times a year anyway.

[@chris_tzikas]

@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ well, if you use arch it's assumed you know a thing or two

[@thezefs]

@@oniondesu9633 Sure. It never breaks. Ever. But when it does, there is a news feed you can read with manual intervention instructions on how to fix it just in couple hours. You Arch fanboys so funny.

[@oniondesu9633]

@@thezefs i never said it doesnt happen, i literally wrote a couple of times a year, and thats tops. actually hasnt broken for me in years

[@Epsilonsama]

Things like Snaps and other container formats are not made for us the user but for the Sysadmins who want to deploy the same thing to multiple computers across a network of computers. But for home users said container formats are bloated as hell and makes things difficult for the rest of us.

[@zackinator1439]

When I first started watching him, Luke has convinced me to go from Windows to Linux. I started with LARBS, but that was too much for me so I went with the "easy" choice of Ubuntu, I noticed some of its downfalls, but it was a hell of a lot better than Windows so I stayed. Then the fact that GNOME kinda sucks made me switch to Kubuntu because I like KDE. The final straw was when I realized the texteditor which I used whenever I wasn't using him, was slow because it was written in JavaScript, and many other parts of GNOME are slow for the same reason. I switched to KDE because it looks nice and is super configurable. The compression utilities are painfully slow though, my only real big complaint. I always knew package managers on Debian and Ubuntu kinda suck, a lot of stuff I actually have to install manually because the package manager version is out of date or just plain broken. Luke's about to make me switch back to Arch.

[@ari-athbadminton0301]

XeroLinux exist for peoples like you. The KDE powered Archspin I've been maining since last year.

[@egoworks5611]

Luke, man, u finally convinced me. I'm stuck man, I can't just do stuff on Ubuntu without getting tired of these dependencies. I have all sorts of troubles with spice-like programs and these EE stuff (I'm a computer engineering student), I just feel that everything is just windows in that field, but I realized such a bunch of problems got a common thing. I'm just so mad man, I feel like the only one who wants open source and effective stuff. I was like 2 consecutive days trying to get my gspice/gnucap/gspiceui/qucs setup and just got dependencies errors... Come on, I've already been using wxwidgets that's trivial. Ubuntu makes it a ineffective loop. Cheers from Colombia Luke

[@Klayperson]

[google mapsing intensifies] LUKE GEOTRIANGULATED I'M DRIVING TO FLORIDA

[@skittlesvampir8400]

Isn't he in arizona?

[@baileyharrison1030]

Skittlesvampir Arizona is just desert

[@skittlesvampir8400]

@@baileyharrison1030 Oh, I just heard something like this in a video and I don't know much about the states of the US.

[@obedm503]

**hwndu capture the flag intensifies**

[@brzeczyszczykiewicz4476]

Believe it or not but back in 2003 I built my own LFS and used it as my main PC system for over 2 years. Gentoo after that.

[@DingusBobingus5555]

I don't have any issues with Debian.

[@nottobay6768]

Having switched to NetBSD it's nice having a fixed release base system with mostly rolling user space.

[@juaneduardocasillacamarill8383]

Containers are not meant for every day use, and most importantly not for regular users, they are meant for programmers that need a way to specify dependencies and deploy without much trouble, sometimes you just can't afford to use the latest of everything.

[@cortexauth4094]

Agreed, Ubuntu is a pain to me for real. I really hate managing all those stuffs, my friend uses it and damn he struggles a lot to get things up. We were doing CTF, and need mgba, took me minutes to get 15mb mGBA, his 80mb snap mgba just took years, and caused obscure issues

[@bahaelaila]

You are looking at containers from the wrong angle: It was mainly intended as a more efficient way of isolation than virtualization. In virtualization you have the host OS virtualizing the guest kernel and the rest of guest OS. Containerization makes it that your "guest OS" have the host kernel as its kernel directly, removing 2 heavy layers (host virtualization software, guest kernel). (basically the "guest OS" system calls, are directly performed by the host kernel) Besides, containerization allows for different levels of isolation. The above one is an extreme example (where you package a whole OS except the kernel), But if you don't really care about higher stuff either (glibc versions, ...etc), you can specify what level of isolation to start from. If the host OS is already compatible, you don't really get too much bloat. The thing with weird software dependency is as follows: Latest packages are not always desirable, especially if you are a software developer, in fact, often NOT desirable (except for bug fixes and security patches). The behaviour of code and metadata you write can change drastically with the change of the major or minor versions of the used packages. Even a small software project can use up to hundreds of underlying packages, continually updating and testing against new packages becomes tedious very quickly, for no benefit other than keeping the software working. You would want some sort of "freeze" on the major/minor (where api and behavior changes happen), and only allow revisions (bugs/security patches). Debian, RedHat, CentOS do exactly that, and that's why they are the most used for servers. Arch does not do that for most packages, and you're stuck with complete updates. But with these distros, the catch is that there are conflicting packages ofcourse. So you can't set up a Debian server and just give your tenants different users and call it a day, they need to install packages, and most likely conflicting ones. So isolation through virtualization became a must. And then containerization became a cheaper solution, as I explained earlier. As containerization became an easy tool for solving dependency conflicts, things like snap and flatpak popped up, and people started using them for everything because now you can guarantee the containerized software to work (with varying degrees of bloat).

[@alecstewart212]

"On Arch Linux there's no multiple versions...-You never have to worry about the versions of um...each program" Python 2 and 3 Perl 5 and 6 (though like anyone cares about Perl 6 though) Multiple versions of NodeJS Versions of NPM packages LLVM 9 and 10 (that depends on the software you're using though) QT 4 and 5 (more things use 5 though) Multiple Ruby versions Rust stable or nightly GHC versions. There's probably more people could list. The severity of how these effect someone varies from person to person, obviously.

[@RitzyBusiness]

Arch is the most streamlined system I've ever used. Once installed it works way easier than ubuntu. I've only had problems when trying it.

[@user-ek8cd1gg3f]

The use of containers doesn't have anything to do with Debian/Ubuntu. Containers popularity has risen because of 1) microservices, so department X is not required to use the same environment as department Y anymore; and 2) to deploy in any OS/environment, and that's not restricted for Debian nor servers. That sums up to less compatibility checks and faster deployments; although, of course, containers have their own drawbacks.

[@omerresnikoff3565]

> "People who use Ubuntu are just hipsters who are trying to make life harder for themselves" Wait, where have I heard this one before? 🤔

[@Sventimir]

Yeah, I have recently installed Ubuntu on my laptop after years of virtually no contact with it whatsoever. I remembered, though, it used to be an easy-to-install self-configuring distro, so perfect when you need to get a computer to run quickly with minimum configuration. I was gravely mistaken. Installing Atom already proved to be a problem. Neither apt-get nor the GUI package manager front-end knows anything about it. I had to google how to do it, only to find out that you don't install it with apt-get anymore, but you use snap instead. So I suppose whenever you want to install a program for Ubuntu, it's now about guessing which package manager to use? I do remember times from before Canonical took over Ubuntu and even then I quickly switched to Debian, because Ubuntu was so bloated and slow, but I never suspected things could go THAT bad…

[@johnnyvash]

Luke u have my respect since your a farmers and not just some Linux memes master.

[@JDStone20]

Ubuntu is a huge pain. You are right about the dependencies, I have to hunt to install stuff and it sucks. 1/3 programs can't be installed.

[@toorero]

Well I don't know what kind of stuff you're doing but I have not yet experienced such issues.

[@JDStone20]

@@toorero Try installing Xdo and Devour from Baskerville on GitHub. You will see what I mean.

[@toorero]

@@JDStone20 I don't see what you mean. sudo apt install xdo did the "trick" for me. Everything is working as supposed. In addition, I don't think your rigorous claim that whopping 1/3 of your programs can't be installed. Because that's simply not true.

[@JDStone20]

@@toorero I just tried installing and xdo worked with apt. I am talking about programs I need to find dependencies for, 2/3 of the time I am successful. Maybe that is just me.

[@JDStone20]

@@toorero Ubuntu is my daily driver. I didn't mean to suggest I hated it, I like Ubuntu.

[@silvernode]

Actually one time there was a bug in libxinput that brought my system down. So it is true that Arch doesn't break on updates, but other upstream bugs can break Arch Linux.

[@arrtemfly]

woo i'm a hardcore linux user thanks luke self esteem +20%

[@S-early-user]

Shit, I agree completely. The only thing I can really say is that Ubuntu is easier for beginner tasks, and most every day uses. But pacman and yay make everything easy once you get into intermediate to difficult tasks. The AUR with yay is hands down the best package management system available on any operating system.

[@xdevs23]

I agree with most things. I think that Docker (and Containers in general) do give you an advantage. By using them, you reduce the attack surface as namespacing and cgroups will make sure that at least some parts of the system are hidden and inaccessible. But yeah, it makes installing stuff on Ubuntu etc. easier and that's one of the reasons I use Docker as well. But not just that, some software is just complex and harder to set up and docker-compose usually makes that easier as well. Some software simply does not use the KISS principle and need you to set up 343988 config files with 348 various formats in 239 different locations and if you get one thing wrong the entire thing doesn't work anymore. And then it starts taking over random ports in the system and preventing other services from working. And then there is that zero-day security bug that has been in it for 70 years that allows anyone to log in as root from anywhere.

[@LeslieAttwell]

Ohhhh Boy! RHEL.... you will love RHEL..lol. PS. Mostly use containers in big enterprises to make things predictable......but ya, was fun watching this! :)

[@Eletronicafg]

running 10y+ old software, but muh 'stability'.

[@mydayswithoutyou]

Ubuntu is actually very easy to use, even my grandma uses it. Maybe it just takes some practice if you are used to it - But you will eventually become familiar with it.

[@sharmamadhus09]

xD

[@porky1118]

I installed user friendly arch based distributions for both of my brothers, and then both of them switched to ubuntu because the online help was more useful for them.

[@linuxinside6188]

Seat Belt is a BlOaTwArE .

[@eyes_only5936]

Why don't people in america use seat belts?

[@evmanbutts]

He was doing 15Mph max. Calm down Karen

[@noob83475]

Luke has clearly never done any professional sysadmin work.

[@eahere]

This is so fucking true! If you want to do litteraly anything else than use your browser Arch simply is the easiest to use.

[@Racle]

Oh yes, I always wanted to install software manually to my PC (and then uninstall) and then to server when I'm done testing and it's ready for production. And repeat that when app requires update. I use few containers daily. Developer tools I usually keep locally installed (NodeJS, Go etc.) For PHP I ran with container, as it's very annoying to configure extensions to work sometimes. Nowdays I just run docker-compose up and start developing. But IMO containers are much better choice for some use, here's my reasons (this what I've encountered with my PC): 1. if you want remove containerized app, you just remove image. On normal installation some apps leaves files behind when uninstalling 2. When you need to test application with multiple versions of same software (rare situations, but happens sometimes), you cannot do that without docker easily. 2.1. Testing app configuration works on new major version. Easy on docker, harder/slower manually. 3. developers use multiple OS. Docker containers are always same on multiple machines (tho ex. MariaDB is slightly diffrent with volumes on Windows). I prefer good old docker-compose up compared to manually install and configure X amount of applications what I need. 4. You don't need expose all ports with Docker. Or if you want to change port to something else, it's easily done with docker. Manually installed apps are hit and miss sometimes. 5. I can keep my configuration in one place (I usually have docker-compose setup running, so multiple apps open with correct configuration with single command) There are also downsides to containers, but positive side beats those by far. For Ubuntu (nowdays running pop_os), I'm so used to this as it just works on what I do. Not huge fan of distro hopping unless there is clear advance of that. Currently there isn't.

[@heterodoxagnostic8070]

10:38 what is that?

[@MrJoseklon]

For a moment I thought the white stuff on his t shirt was dandruff, then I remembered ...

[@TerrorZwerg2012]

well arch broke twice on me over the last couple years, still one of the best distros and they get the fix out over RSS, great video

[@gaonkarprajwal]

One thing I'd like to say is I've installed Arch countless times but I just can't stick with it. I find the constant updates to packages annoying. With Debian I have to update only like once a month. That too, those updates are just security updates, and much stuff doesn't change

[@finnk1289]

"Ubuntu can't break, because it comes broken."

[@auroradraco9974]

Luke was too tired to walk today so he just took the car 😂😂

[@KenmoreChalfant]

That's a good point about containers. I may have to look into Arch. Containers are great and serve a purpose but I feel that much like the frontend, the rest of the web ecosystem is innovating in new ways to make basic things complicated.

[@gayusschwulius8490]

Manjaro Master Race

[@edvonrattlehead2135]

Ah the good old dependency hell of debians, as someone that mainly uses ubuntu i can confirm, for servers calculate linux may be the better option imo

[@matthewweber4162]

Don't drive and vlog at the same time, Luke.

[@gayusschwulius8490]

Honestly, if he drives out there in the nowhere with only grass around him, what's gonna happen even if he does something wrong? He can't hurt anybody, not even himself.

[@MaxPrehl]

The seatbelt police gonna come get him.

[@unfa00]

@@gayusschwulius8490 Yeah but once he hits a road, the bad habits are not gonna just turn off, and he might be in danger. Though I guess all people living in nowhere drive like that.

[@jordanski5421]

Using a method that's universal to every distro is a life saver as a developer and saves so much hassle in having to constantly configure servers I can just do it once in docker and it runs as expected everywhere.

[@muellerhans]

Tbf there is software that depends on older versions for weeks or months so it isn't useable on Arch without downgrading a package.. Sometimes I would like to have multiple versions installed at the same time. But not the python way..

[@bertrandrodruiguez2614]

So Gentoo slots?

[@bruderdasisteinschwerermangel]

Arch on a server is alright in my book, I've been running one for a while. You should keep the firewall in mind though, arch doesn't come with one iirc, and you should definitely put one on a server.

[@simbaclaws_youtube]

Hey luke, can you make a guide on autoscaling, high availability, failovers, auto healing, auto alerting, monitoring etc. The entire deal for a big infrastructure on bare metal machines? I'm trying to setup a small infrastructure that I can scale when I want to and have it be automatically provisioned. I would like to learn setting up infrastructures with ansible and terraform. But am at the stage where I'm wondering whether I should be using containers in kubernetes clusters with rancher on top of my automatically provisioned infrastructures. If containers really is just a meme. What would your alternative be to these kind of deployments? Think about high availability, autoscaling, autohealing, alerting, log aggregation, monitoring etc.

[@Gurj101]

That kinda hit home tbh i have never personally used arch yet but yes debian is annoying like that.

[@salvatoreshiggerino6810]

I use RHEL at work because of muh enterprise support, but I don't know when Red Hat has ever actually helped anyone in the company do anything.

[@fixfoxy4263]

0:05 what are these flags for?

[@derschildkrotenveteran1013]

Noticed them as well... Hopefully they're just there to be burned or something

[@baileyharrison1030]

He is from the USA, hence the USA flag. He is from the South, hence the Dixie flag. He lives in Florida, hence the Florida flag.

[@lucasb0rges]

@@baileyharrison1030 People say dixie flag is racist

[@baileyharrison1030]

Hubert J. Farnsworth and those people are wrong