Linux is getting worse for Normal People...

[@manen_]

imagine taking a nice walk in the park and suddenly there's this guy filming himself talking about linux package managers

[@tracktionwaveformtips]

That happened to me a few months ago as I was wandering around my local woods making a video about music production in Linux. We all just kind of looked each other up and down and pretended that I wasn’t wandering around seemingly talking to myself! 😂

[@tracktionwaveformtips]

@Reinhardt I don’t know about you, but I might be slightly worried if I found figurines on my doorstep from an internet stranger. I’d be wondering what kind of person I was dealing with who knew my home address and who knew a lot about me from my videos while I knew nothing about them. A better route for the sanity of the receiver might be to contact him and ask if he has a PO Box or somewhere that you can send stuff to.

[@___xyz___]

audible chuckle

[@mmatss]

🤣🤣 accurate

[@wendigo2442]

@@tracktionwaveformtips “music production in linux” lmfao

[@TheMetaldudeX]

Linux users don’t want Linux to be accessible.

[@plugrolhuldo7736]

Yes

[@arkajyotipal6205]

Yes

[@JamesHardy-yi1ph]

I unironically agree. You want to know the last Windows machine I used? Windows 7, and that was when it FIRST came out. In the fall of 2010 I briefly switched to OS X, if my memory serves I think it was SnowLeopard. From 2014 onward I've used NOTHING but Linux, mostly Arch and Debian, but I'm also using Void now and like it a lot. If normies try and change Linux to be more "usable" like Windows that is just going to make it more confusing for me because I haven't touched a Windows PC in over a decade.

[@larrytale3401]

Yes, yes, yes!

[@just_a_random_]

I mean, normies and corporates kinda already ruined internet, why would we want them ruining linux too...

[@ricardocesar8883]

Luke's about to go full circle and start using windows again

[@ricardocesar8883]

@@chbrules it just works!

[@tanmay______]

no joke- I've seen guys that have run Gentoo for 10 years go back to using Windows again

[@thecashewtrader3328]

@@tanmay______ WTF NOOOOOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@daniloscapellato]

He uses Windows in his dark room but hides it from everyone.

[@PK-we6vk]

He is just gonna move to Montana

[@djdjukic]

Let's keep it real here. Ordinary people should absolutely not need to open the command line, ever. Not that they should be afraid of learning how to use it, but installing programs is NOT in any way better accomplished through the command line in any OS where the GUI is actually functional.

[@mr.ocelotguy8995]

command line is faster and you feel cooler

[@falciexd]

@@mr.ocelotguy8995 thats besides the point man, i actually prefer cli for a lot ot things but people who arent tech savvy shouldnt even worry about using that

[@mr.ocelotguy8995]

tbh just learning yay -S *program name* was less convoluted than the weird discover store

[@falciexd]

@@mr.ocelotguy8995 i get it, i kind of like discover but i still prefer using the command line to install things, however, there are some things that are just a little bit better with a GUI, even more so in relation to people who aren't used to it, searching the exact package name for what they want to install if they don't already know might not be as intuitive as just searching the name of the program on a GUI and clicking on a big "install" button, even more so when the case is installing flatpaks, even i hate installing flatpaks from the cli to be honest (even though i like the package format, as opposing to luke), those people who have never used linux and are using it for the first time might not even know that flathub exists for example, the GUI is just the entry point and it NEEDS to be GOOD, people are welcome to learn how to use the terminal if they want to after that, it's a matter of accessibility, not everyone is the same regarding dealing with technology

[@nikolaievans2432]

@@falciexd facts im one of those people that would use the command line but prefer not too because i like installing stuff by clicking buttons and going through wizards explaining stuff

[@rhekman]

A simple "usable" desktop isn't about big buttons and pretty colors. It's about consistency and reliability. I've seen 75 year olds be incredibly proficient on a PC, then get tripped up because an update moved their email icon, or broke their printer driver, or prompted them with a stupid double-negative meaningless error message.

[@naskue4187]

i swear

[@Slay1337pl]

"Are you sure you do not want to abort canceling this action?"

[@naskue4187]

@@Slay1337pl I don't see a problem with this prompt

[@albussd]

@@naskue4187 You're probably not 75 or older.

[@ThomasCpp]

An update didn't move their email icon, they clicked and dragged by mistake

[@owenjohns6301]

the bugman destroys everything it claims to love

[@cherubin7th]

Everyone thinks the solution is to throw new things at something. Instead of making a solid and simple design.

[@naskue4187]

You get it. like, why do we need another bulk rename instead of having one that meets all user needs?

[@dand337]

Um, deepin?

[@JrIcify]

When I return to the Linux world next month I'm thinking of trying NixOS just because it attempts to simplify the file hierarchy and other things. The world doesn't need any more distros like Manjaro that just pile on more shit.

[@naskue4187]

@@JrIcify still makes it easy. One thing that Manjaro does better than endev is run game maker engine, soooo

[@JrIcify]

@@naskue4187 Do you mean gamemaker by yoyogames? I like Godot more, but that's cool if they got it all working.

[@TheMack]

Someone said that Linux is not supposed to be "user friendly", instead it should be "user centric". There is a key difference. I like that.

[@sanjacobs6261]

@@abdulwahabjag Why not? All of my file managers have different pros, cons and use cases :)

[@alternateperson6600]

@@Domenico1997JuTube you don't need to Google pacman commands. I haven't used Linux for a time now, but I'm pretty sure there's manuals for general commands that are located in the system; unless you are just being lazy, in which case I don't see how Googling it would be swifter than just reading the manual from the comfort of your terminal window.

[@JINORU_]

@@bggjuan4554 "I follow arch linux philosophy btw"

[@TheMack]

@@bggjuan4554 Ah! Thank you, that's where I read it! Btw I run Arch :)

[@svenkarlsen2702]

you can't run two instances of pacman at the same time either... pamac is just a wrapper for pacman... just disable pamac background updates to make sure pacman db isn't locked when you need to use it...

[@FeelingShred]

As bugged and bloated Windows 10 is, at least it knows how to kill Chrome processes once the system reaches critical levels of free memory. That still doesn't happen on Linux, the OOM out-of-memory-killer was designed during a time before WinXP came around (128MB RAM) and we are still using it. Crashes my entire machine, kills the pulseaudio volume indicator but doesn't kill offending programs. BROKEN

[@alvarohigino]

I know what you're saying, man, my own programs that sometimes face segfault crash my entire Linux Mint. LOL

[@protogionlastname6003]

Dunno really what you are talking about, I have this laptop with 4 Gb of RAM, and when I try to run a game on it, I can alt-tab to task manager and see how it slowly consumes all memory when loading and then crashes. Nothing gets killed apart from the offending program. Maybe it's not Linux issue? Edit: apparently my distro just uses systemd userspace oom killer by default, that may not be the case for every distro out there. So still, not Linux issue, you are probably using some distro that doesn't do this and blaming the whole Linux world for that.

[@FeelingShred]

You touched on a very important point: 4 Gigs RAM... My older laptop with 4 GB had LESS issues with system freezes and hangups, because there was less memory being cached to disk overall (maybe). Also good observation about systemd there. Guy at least knows what he's talking about, instead of engaging on the usual linux fanboy kind of talk... It just makes me sad at the end of the day to find out hands-on that Linux overall experience degraded devolved after the 16.04 cycle... 2016 was the best linux distros ever, so fast, so reliable... Now it's all a gamble. Makes me sad.

[@FeelingShred]

And wink wink 2016 was the last cycle before Systemd became obligatory forced into distros

[@protogionlastname6003]

@@FeelingShred I forgot to mention - I still do not have any kind of swap on it (I want to configure it later when I finally get my hands onto 16 gb memory), it kinda complements your theory. I know it's completely ridiculous to not have swap on a system with 4 gb ram, but I don't use it for anything serious - just messing around. Also interesting to mention than the last time I played with Linux was circa 2016 or a little earlier (probably earlier, more like 2013 I think), but as the time I did not know what I want and consequently distro hopped before switching to Windows. Too bad I brushed Arch aside at the time thinking it would be too hard to use lmao Anyway ty for pointing out the whole theme about oom killers, I did not even know that they existed in the first place, but apparently there are so many of them, I'm gonna try out different ones now to see which works best

[@mrsansiverius2083]

It's only a matter of time before Luke switches to OpenBSD

[@notannpc4780]

luke, its time.

[@prometheus9443]

Only if he wants to give his life to it, instead of to, say, Life.

[@robert58]

no way he actually did it lmao

[@JR-ef3by]

Gnu Hurd

[@crissdell]

U r a time traveler, right?

[@hmagellanlinux307]

Can't wait for your hackintosh tutorial series

[@_yuri]

waiting for you to upload again 🥺

[@fritjoflarsson9817]

Luke doesn't like Apple stuff.

[@Zekr0_]

Sadly it's dead.... Or will be. M1 chip makes sure apple's stuff remains with them

[@FeelingShred]

Wifi constantly dropping connection unless the user goes there and manually click the wifi button, so that the radio "wakes up" again and suddenly starts working (dumb, so dumb) Calculator included in most main distros now don't even have a history for previous calculations the user did (something even windows 95 had) It's getting embarassing... This C++ mindset is hurting everyone.

[@enkvadrat_]

I have had more problems with Wi-Fi not connecting on windows than have simply using the tui for NetworkManager

[@Christobanistan]

Linux has slogans and excuses. Windows has users.

[@julioramirez5497]

"Operating system are like an air conditioning, they get less efficient when you open windows" - Linus Torvalds

[@urugulu1656]

good stuff made me lose my shit

[@moister3727]

haha funi

[@herrwolken]

Linux is like a submarine. Everything is fine until you open a window.

[@skyler948]

@Celes impoter

[@mikethespike056]

@Celes AMOGUS

[@prysrek8858]

Yeah, used Manjaro for 2 years. I'm pretty much sick of having to spend hours to find out how to drag files to my USB stick and other trivial complications, while being insulted by the Linux Community who consist to 90% of snorty nerds who were bullied in high school . Now I'm back at Windows.

[@aldo6532]

Linux just isn’t really great for normal people. I used it for 4 years before last year switching back to Windows. It was fun for me - I quite enjoyed figuring out how to use it, how to get past obstacles and make it work and look the way I wanted it to.. but now that I’ve switched I realise just how much time I wasted doing all that and how many unnecessary extras newbies have to deal with. Especially as a music producer, whose plugins only work so well in Airwave. Windows really does just work. And I know that peeves off people and I’m not saying this with that intention, but it really does. All programs work, all features work, everything comes out of the box *functional* . And sure there are some antiquated ui elements, but that’s good, as they’re easy to learn (ok in this note Win11 can f- off) Can you customise it as much as Linux? No. Do I need to? No. I use a Transparent taskbar plug-in, TouchMe Studio for touch gestures and have an AutoHotkey script running to keep other windows on top like in Linux, but that’s it. After that, I don’t need any more customisation. Now I just start using the apps I want

[@wii166]

Amen it took me 13 days just to figure out how to do SPDIF 5.1 audio in Linux something that can be done within windows in seconds. Safe to say i failed my 30 day challenge switching to Linux.

[@aldo6532]

@@wii166 Haha yes... I switched to it for years lol but ultimately switched back. I may get a mini Linux PC as a *HOBBY* , as that is what Linux is to me, but I’ll be sticking to Windows

[@gordselectronicshobby3853]

The problem with Linux is that there are to many distributions. Only a few are actually needed. Any Linux developer that thinks he/she is going to make Linux look, feel, and act like Windows is mistaken. Linux will never come close to anything except Linux. I hate it when they say that Linux is the only operating system one needs. Yea maybe for some but, the majority of people find it is not true.

[@ShubhamBhushanCC]

Snaps and Flatpak were the stupidest idea in Linux history. Seriously use the fucking package manager.

[@lsatenstein]

luke, I am age 80+ and I find gnome easier to use than windows. I also tried Deepin and found it easier to use than Gnome or Windows. I believe your describing your imaginary beliefs, or to put it another way, You are FOS, and I do not mean FOSS. Grandpa leslie

[@TheHumanoidError94]

Underrated comment! Yeah Linux is easier if you stick with the distributions such as Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Pop OS, Zorin, Elementary OS, MX Linux, etc.

[@titaniumx3712]

I love Gnome. And i completely agree. Although for now i'm only running it using virtual machines it's surprisingly easy to use and really easy to learn and get a hang of. I'll make the transition in the future. I think Luke is talking about the more advanced distros like Manjaro, Arch, Gentoo and others like that. Ubuntu, Mint, PopOS and Debian are all simple and really easy to use. I know they're more meant for beginners but those are the OSs you can use as daily drivers and not have any issues. The more advanced OSs are more for people with very specific use cases and for people with real work to do... whatever that may be

[@astongoldsmith2396]

It is not true in any sense you mean ,KDE is always easier to use than gnome...when i see stupid menu item Aplications..that make me sick

[@freda5344]

Sure, Gnome is fine and looks fancy prancy, IF you only install and use a handful of apps. Install hundreds of apps?, you want to organize? its shit, worse than shit. Cinnamon is the best, but even it does not compare well with old windows XP as far as organising your applications.

[@samgray49]

@@freda5344 the best one if you are wiling to use it, is Unity because of how containers work. But it can be a bit difficult to work with if you struggle with remembering your programs. But because I used Unity from the beginning I know how it works. Also he expects every person to be willing to use the terminal, like my grandpa who is going to be 82 next year, he is running Linux Mint Cinnamon on his laptop and he has figured it out, and its stupid simple and he knows somewhat what he is doing.

[@maliciousbugman]

Using Linux for desktop is like making all your breakfasts with Peewee Herman's breakfast machine. But if the machine's segments were assembled by a dozen different people who barely/never coordinated together. And people upheld it as the best way to make every kind of breakfast despite it being designed for specific foods. And somehow it's YOUR fault if it breaks down because you must've turned it on wrong.

[@Christobanistan]

I don't agree about making everything a console command. You don't need to go that far. You just need people to stop w/ the extraneous package managers. But we all know, with OSS there is no focus, no discipline. This will never get any better.

[@lmijs]

Everything that Luke said here is being shown in LTT linux challenge.

[@turtle-94]

That's why I like debian, its stupid simple Linux. To bad there website is so bad to navigate.

[@glucid4222]

Linux isn't for everyone. Linux isn't cohesive, doesn't always play nice and it isn't predictable. If it was, then everybody would've flocked to it long ago. I became angry with Windows increasing inefficiency, rigidity and outright resource greediness years ago and persevered with Linux instead as my daily driver. Granted, I only have basic personal computing needs compared to most who venture into Linux, but learning all that I did along the way made me appreciate the things Linux does better than Windows, and accept the one or two things that it doesn't. As much as I love Linux, I'd be the first to admit that Linux isn't for everyone, nor will it ever displace Windows the way it is now. However, it makes Windows look that much worse.

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

My machines is still running XP and Windows 7, until a worthy replacement comes along which will likely never be.

[@wasabi333]

Aren't you more exposed to virus and such?

[@forced4motorsports]

@@wasabi333 That is a myth. If you have a good AV and you don't do stupid things, you can't or won't get a virus on any OS. As long as you have decent browser that uses some form of site reputation, a user has to be the one to make a mistake to infect their computer. It doesn't magically happen by itself.

[@forced4motorsports]

Nice. I'm actually running win7 on a Z790 13th gen. ASRock board that still included a PS/2 port allowed me to get USB drivers installed. I have everything working save 2 unknown devices, but no functionality issues at all. It rips and is rock stable. Was better than 10 for gaming until all the game studios and publishers dropped win 7 support.

[@dp27thelight9]

This isn't really the case with Linux Mint. Linux Mint keeps it simple. I've always liked Linux Mint and Fedora over Manjaro.

[@glauberbispo8922]

linux mint sucks

[@dp27thelight9]

@@glauberbispo8922 your comment is really funny.

[@matyasmarkkovacs8336]

@@glauberbispo8922 Hmm... Very informative comment... Could you elaborate why does it suck?

[@kooliyo]

​@@glauberbispo8922idk if it's me but yes it kinda sucks it freezes whenever j try opening Minecraft even I have good specs i5 10400 and a Rx 580

[@toby818]

@@glauberbispo8922 that shit is ugly

[@TrouvatkiDePercusion]

One time after not updating Manjaro for a while because it kept breaking shit, I finally caved and updated. The update deleted my vmlinuz image. My computer was now useless and I had to plug my hard drive into a different computer so that I could get my files off of it and loaded onto a REAL distro (i.e., Ubuntu). Fuck Arch. Fuck everything that's based on Arch. Fuck everybody who tells you to use Arch or anything based on Arch. Debian-based for life.

[@TrouvatkiDePercusion]

By the way, Manjaro has ALWAYS been shit. Right from the very beginning. I tried it in 2016. It was shit. The reason is because Arch is shit, and therefore, everything that's based on Arch is shit.

[@crapphone7744]

Until they stop breaking things with every single upgrade, and can provide 100% compatibility with Microsoft office, Linux will remain a fringe player in the desktop space. Install the latest version of KDE and when I asked her to identify my two monitors it identifies one of them as both of them at once. That doesn't cut it for a mainstream desktop.

[@JacobP81]

That's not the biggest barrier IMHO. They don't sell Linux laptops at physical stores, you have to go to a special website if you want a new laptop with Linux.

[@crapphone7744]

@@JacobP81 part of the reason you don't see that is because of the unreliability of Linux to install without requiring the user to do anything except click yes or no. Most users do not want to deal with the complexity of installing Linux. Microsoft relies on that and feels free to lie to people and steal their data because they know no one wants to deal with the complexity of their competitors, namely Linux.

[@robertasm20]

​@@JacobP81Not selling linux computers by stores isn't problem, because normal people don't want to buying linux computers.

[@JacobP81]

@@robertasm20 Why do you think normal people don't want Linux? Because computers don't come with them (unless you count Android and Chromebooks)

[@robertasm20]

@@JacobP81 Because linux sucks in normal usecase (desktop). Anything good in linux are cli tools, useless for most people. And linux GUIs, like KDE or GNOME are garbage. Yea, you could playing with some themes, but when you need configure something seriously, like network or overlooking or something with display the becomeing luck laster pice of junk. And linux DE aren't even very stable. I see notification about something crashed all the time or when I changed KDE themes for entire system, KDE applied it only for some elements (i.e. only for panels but not for windows). So people not wanting linux, because linux sucks for them. And there aren't stores selling linux machines, because no one asking for them.

[@s1nistr433]

My issue with Linux is that things constantly get shipped broken and people just put up with it. Arch (the distro that most people seem to care about) failed to install TWICE on my system due to empty library files that shipped broken in the official repos. Then when I got it to work, it got this random unfixable "limited connectivity" error. So Arch is absolutely unusable and inconsiderable. Fedora has on multiple occasions shipped broken desktops and kernels. Every non-LTS Ubuntu update is shipped broken. Debian shipped Papirus-icons in its repo broken then got all arrogant when I reported the bug to them. OpenSUSE still fails to play videos without severe codec errors. It's just ridiculous. Either Linux users are pathologically lying about it being good or they just straight-up don't see blatant problems that Windows/Mac users don't have. It's been 30+ years and Linux still can't play videos and have a basic desktop without issues? Bull.

[@prostickman4946]

I know this is from 2 years ago, but I want to voice my opinion anyway. I think linux has mediocre support for hardware. I have never had a problem in the dozens of times I installed archlinux (with dualboot even), but the same hardware has major issues with debian, as it does not install everytime, and the one time it installed correctly, it broke the same day, and then I reverted back to arch. had similar issues (but to be fair, much less) with voidlinux. overall no distro other than archlinux, has worked correctly on my system. the rest of your comment is outdated, and will not respond to it.

[@pwnbag]

Linux Mint either LMDE and Mint XFCE. Nothing more needed for normal people.

[@xander-on-the-earth]

That is exactly my point! I have written a whole comment about it. I use Mint (Cinnamon Edition) and don’t have any troubles - everything is convenient, stable and beauty.

[@manticore4952]

I use Mint and feel like it should be the single Linux distro.

[@eda2000-r8h]

​@NoahM-mm5gcall the issue u have can be solve simply by update kernel, if that can't solve then unfortunate for u, ur machine dislike linux like u :v

[@LinkFromCdi]

2007 was unironically the year of the linux desktop.

[@SantaClaauz]

How do we get it back, frens?

[@window.location]

What happened that year

[@mulmeyun]

yeah cause neither your network card nor your audio would work

[@LinkFromCdi]

​@@mulmeyun That year, I installed linux and everything worked straight out of the installation.

[@mulmeyun]

@@LinkFromCdi i guess it depends on your hardware, linux has gotten so much better though, like you don't even need to install gpu drivers if you have amd

[@sc_enjoyer]

"No emotionally normal human" wow I wasn't ready for such a personal attack this early in the day.

[@gambet0007]

Lmao

[@imho2278]

Sounds a bit odd coming from a Linux fan...

[@paulvorderegger1522]

I guess we're special then...

[@patriciofernandez6500]

@@paulvorderegger1522 "You are a Wizard Harry!"

[@wisnoskij]

I dont understand linux users. How could anyone think terminal installs are easy. Even if we ignore that I have no idea what program I want to install 90% of the time, all I know is the problem I need solved. Even for programs I have been using for 20 years, I do not know how to spell their names even if I remember them.

[@MichaelDomer]

You're so 100% right!!! I don't understand them either. Why would I like to use a terminal command that needs tons of parameters to do what I want it to do, when I can have a GUI with a few checkboxes, and boxes to enter a value, boxes that have a description or in some cases, even a question mark icon I can click on for extra help?

[@MichaelDomer]

@SchroedingersDog They're guy with big egos. They all want to push their own standards, few really want come together, and focus on one major goal, and that's the biggest problem in their attempt to make a well designed Linux Desktop OS. Oh, and as for documentation; they're too lazy to document their code INSIDE the code, so don't expect them to write documentation for end users. It's hard to find any programmer who likes to write proper documentation, and since many Linux programmers work on their own, there will be nobody else writing that documentation. I've tried Linux, and yes, there some documentation out there, but often it's unclear how old it is, and whether it has been updated to reflect the latest changes. It's just this endless struggle for users everywhere, user who just want to run applications, they don't want to come home after a day's work to struggle with an OS just to get a video to render properly in their video editor.

[@notme8232]

It would be so much easier with something like "apt search *keyword" that works like an app store search, or "apt list" that returns all the package names. Using the CLI is only faster if you already know what you want to install by name.

[@protogionlastname6003]

"I have no idea what program I want to install 90% of the time, all I know is the problem I need solved" The problem of not knowing what you want should not be solved by your package manager, it should be solved by your own research. Isn't it obvious really? Do your research, do a Google search or ask somebody, come back to your package manager when you know what you want from it.

[@wisnoskij]

@@protogionlastname6003Yes, exactly. That is why googling "free text editor" and then clicking the link provided at the end of the paragraph that convinved you is so much better than googling, copying the name, trying to paste the name and the terminal breaking as it does not follow standard copy pasting hotkeys, then the terminal returning nothing as they have it listed as "notepad-plusplus". And then finally getting it but it does not work because the your distro packages a 10 year old version without the features listed on the web.

[@mitsota101]

Installing programs through the command line, to a normal human being with a normal functioning brain, is not the easiest thing ever. In fact, the first time I tried to use Ubuntu, it worked great all the way up until I had to use the terminal to install a program. I had to enlist the help of someone who uses Linux as his every day system, and between the two of us, it took about an hour to install Wine. And after that hour I was so exhausted from googling and trudging forums and having him explain to me, how to write in Linux's confusing and arbitrary coding language, to make it do something as basic as "download file" I didn't even want to start figuring out how to even open Wine. (because it doesn't just install an app you can open with an icon, of course you have to manually operate it through the terminal like some kinda hollywood hacker man) Until this shit is easy enough that I don't need tech support on call 24/7, 365, I'll suffer though my Windows.

[@majoraslayer64]

As someone who has had practice doing all of those things until I can generally handle all of that in around 5 minutes, I can testify you're absolutely right. I can't wrap my mind around how people defend Linux as the go-to solution for everyone to escape Microsoft's problems, then turn around and go on the defensive if anyone points out how overly cryptic the most simple tasks are. It doesn't have to be this way; we've had GUI's for around 40 years now and there's no reason to reinvent the wheel by falling back to manually typing commands all the time. The entire POINT OF USING A COMPUTER is to automate tasks through digital solutions, so resisting the path of least of resistance just to feel more "elite" is counterintuitive to the point. At the point a tool makes a job harder than it would be without the tool, it's no longer a useful tool. Windows 95 handles some things in a more user-friendly way than any of the modern Linux desktops do in 2023, and that is embarrassingly inexcusable. Cue the responses from people who refuse to listen to these criticisms, and are the core reason Linux is being held back.

[@poika22]

Sorry, but you are just dumb. I figured out how to install software through the command line when I was about 10 years old. It took me way less than an hour. Including how to run Wine. And that was before KZbin and all these other modern resources full of user friendly tutorials spoonfeeding you every step.

[@poutineausyropderable7108]

Chatgpt. I ask for stuff and say whats the package that does This. Then I google them. Then I download them. Arch With chaptgpt is amazing. Arch Without is horrible.

[@eda2000-r8h]

ah yes, windows .exe next next mindset good lol, just to let u know that yes linux can run windows app, but like macos and windows, 2 of this thing are not the same, so u get the idea, the way you try to use it from the start is just wrong so don't blame it man 😂😂😂

[@chistinelane]

​ Same. Of course Linux devs just don't care.

[@sidlejinks1874]

why most people, in their attempts to meet perfection, have been migrating in the opposite direction to the simplicity ? "Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away" (c) Antoine de Saint-Exupery

[@cozyafternoon7826]

installed pop OS everything works fine. 2 days later after an Update my second hard drive won't mount. Literally can't access anything from there anymore. As a normy myself, I have no time or interest in spending 3 hours troubleshooting to get my stuff to work again. All I want to do is browse the net and play some games.

[@dustyautumn8780]

Linux is for DNG. Dorks, nerds and geeks.

[@sri19]

You are passing a broad judgement based on one experience Luke. For every Manjaro, there's an Endeavour OS that gets it right (regardless of which DE being installed, I prefer XFCE). Or a Gnome, or a KDE Neo. Stick to one DE and things generally work. Multiple DEs for the same user are the cause of most of the issues you mention. "Normal people" can be very productive on a pure Gnome or KDE without even touching the terminal. And that's okay.

[@shadowblack5455]

I have to agree that things typically break when using more than 1 DE. In fact in general noob friendly distros tend to break when u try to replace in built functionality or have 2 different ways of doing the same thing. But if you’re trying to do that you’re better off using arch but most people probs aren’t doing that. The only issue is installing nvidia drivers which is more difficult on non-noob distros and sadly most people have nvidia gpus.

[@xheralt]

I hate Linux's "anything old is bad" attitude. Change for change's sake isn't progress! Refining what you have, smoothing it out, that is progress!

[@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section]

The problems are much more fundamental. Like expecting the newcomer to wade through the information on the countless distributions to find the right one for them. - How is such a disrespectful use of other people's time and nerves user-friendly? Or that even the "easy to use" Linuxes as well rely on command line commands as a crutch. - To what extent is it user-friendly to operate a computer, like in the 80s?

[@WeirdDuck781]

Guy woke up today and chose to show his audience he actually touches grass!

[@axalius572]

> Installs Linux Luke why are there no thumbnails in my file picker?

[@heroiuraresjustinian4681]

2 of the most fundamental development paradigms: KISS (keep it silly simple) and KILL (keep it linux, loser)

[@tdgchan]

Let's make a better world, just KISS & KILL

[@notsam9528]

Can I KILL then KISS?

[@porky1118]

@@notsam9528 Only perverts do that I guess.

[@Chambers18]

KISS keep it simple stupid

[@heroiuraresjustinian4681]

@gghhkm I don't know where you got it from but I was introduced to the concept as ,,keep it silly-simple" but I guess it doesn't really matter as they mean the same thing anyway.

[@OldBuford]

Linux elitist: "you just dont know how to use linux, its literally better at EVERYTHING" (agree with them that you really dont know and ask for help) "No. RTFM you pleb"

[@suspikuutti822]

I will never understand the argument "just use terminal, it's quicker". If it works for you, great. And i'm sure it' fast once you get used to it, no problem. But it only makes sense if you already are familiar with the terminal, and you know what software you want, and does your distro have it in it's repos. But let's say I want something like a screenrecorder. I don't really know anything about those. If I would have to use the terminal only, I would have to first search with my browser for a good app thats in my distros repos and then type install command in terminal. First time it won't work because the package has somekind of weirdness in it's name that I can't know, like having a dash in there or some shit. Or I could just click the gui software store, and search for screen recorder and install one that seems good, based on reviews, pictures and summary. It's just so odd to me that linux veterans can't understand that most of normies will never like typing commands in the terminal, no matter how much faster it is for you.

[@wii166]

Not just that but think about the dependency errors lol that come up so often

[@wii166]

Which is why it will always be at a

[@Epsilonsama]

Snap on an Arch based distro makes no sense. It might make sense on an old distro maybe but not on Arch.

[@pwnbag]

Haven't used anything outside regular stuff or my own compiles. But my guess is to use Appimages, if one really can't get things the normal way,.

[@jnixdorf]

Snaps are just an option you could opt-in… research it and decide by yourself if this is evil or not.

[@baldpolnareff7224]

@@pwnbag They are the worst out of the universal packages. Their performance is terrible, the UI is often inconsistent with your DE (good luck downloading a snap that respects your dark theme, at least flatpaks are better from this point of view). Flatpaks might be somewhat necessary on a Debian based distro from time to time, they're slightly better but have a ton of issues. Plus these two packages are not truly sandboxed. AppImages are way better imo, they integrate well with the appimage launcher, they're fully containerized afaik, easy to package and they're just files you can delete easily. Nothing beats native packages

[@mgord9518]

@@baldpolnareff7224 I'm not sure "containerized" is the word I'd use for AppImages. That term tends to be interpreted as some sort of sandboxing, and AppImages do not have that by default. Of course there's FireJail, but that doesn't even work correctly with many AppImages and it's also a relatively low security sandbox. I do agree they're probably the best out of the 3 though, and being portable is a huge advantage that the other 2 universal formats for some reason completely overlooked.

[@baldpolnareff7224]

@@mgord9518 You're right, I misused those terms

[@Carftymk]

i tried manjaro for a while after your video and my life was miserable for 6 months. so glad to be back on debian

[@daniloscapellato]

Tried Debian for some months couldn't use it because it's too dated which is bad for gaming performance and for getting new stuff without the high dependence of snap and flatpak. Debian is good for servers, not for actual desktop. This is why Valve is using Arch Linux for their Steam Deck instead of Debian + GNOME.

[@denissetiawan3645]

yes for stability, either debian or bsd.

[@babitz0r]

why does everyone pretend debian has only one release distribution? there's stable, testing and unstable, the last being a rolling release. i use stable on my vps and testing on my pc and laptop

[@tehbrainh37]

i've been using manjaro for a while now as well, partly due to the recommendation. not many differences to ubuntu experience-wise; slightly more comfy package management, i guess. however, the most noticeable difference is that whenever i have to fix something, I have to go to the manjaro forums which are 90% 13 year old script kiddies who have no clue whatsoever but pretend to be leet haxxorz.

[@Link-channel]

If you like Debian then try Mint 🙂

[@Amiska5v5]

I've been using Manjaro KDE for 6 months or so now and I'm a normal user. It's great! Don't have any of these problems that you are mentioning.

[@bootshausk39]

same

[@Zephyroths]

same, but in my case I strictly use pacman as package manager. I only use pamac as AUR helper

[@alone-vf4vy]

KDE is just too good

[@joshua41175]

Looking back at this now that the LTT Linux challenge is being released.

[@jmdb7895]

It saddens me that it is so. On several occasions, over the course of more than 10 years, I have tried to migrate from Windows to Linux, and I always have to go back to Windows. And the reasons have always been the same: games, hardware problems, microsoft office, how toxic a certain segment of the Linux community can be, and how confusing it is to have so many distributions to choose from. Yes, I have witnessed how much Linux has improved, in fact, every time I try to migrate, I am fascinated by the improvements made in just a few years ... but in the end, there are still problems in the same areas as always, problems that I just don't have in windows. Hopefully one day Linux can be as easy to use as Windows. I hate the philosophy behind Microsoft, but I can't deny its superiority in getting things to work out of the box.

[@manticore4952]

@@techtutorvideos It would be if there was a single distro but the Linux community is too pig headed to ever do it. Every dev has to invent something new that's just a copy of something else to solve a simple problem which eventually morphs into some nonsense framework creating forks.

[@LenQuerido]

Maybe Windows is just fine for you. I need Windows on at least one pc at home. I use Linux since Knoppix and Ubuntu 10. You've always been a starter and you've the wrong expectations. it doesn't matter. The point is, you don't understand why you keep having problems with Linux and why you don't have these problems with Linux. At a time I had a Linux pc running for three years without a reboot. A production machine, but not a server. It was just a simple distro, maybe LM 13, without much extra's. Clean and simple. Btw, with Xsane.

[@JacobP81]

Anti-cheat is YES a real issue. Many programmers for desktop computers are more focused on Mac and Windows. LibraOffice can do a lot of what MS Office can do BUT not perfect compatibility, LanguageTool in LibraOffice writter adds real time grammar check like what MS Word has. BUT Updates are better on Linux because you can use your computer while you update. And video game support has gotten much better especially with Steam Proton and WINE.

[@JacobP81]

@@manticore4952 There will almost certainly NEVER be one Linux Distro because it is not like Windows or Mac. It is NOT one company. Linux Distros are just a bunch of free pieces of an operating system and a bunch of programs bunched together by different groups. The "Linux Community" is NOT an organization. It's a bunch of random people all over the world that like to make stuff for Linux whether that is making distributions out of what others have made or making programs to run on Linux. What your saying makes it sound like the "Linux Community" is a single company or organization, IT IS NOT.

[@MichaelDomer]

@@LenQuerido *_"At a time I had a Linux pc running for three years without a reboot."_* Also the most handicapped distro ever by the sound of it... lol.. we can also run MSDOS for 50 years without a reboot.

[@TheGodzilla2201]

Every time I've tried Linux I've had Audio/Graphical issues. I think Linux would be widely useable if 1. Linux had a universal installer that is easy to setup. 2 The Linux Community needs to quit threatening New Users Or people who don't know how to do something on Linux. 3. They are too many distros. This could easily be remedied to include 3 main distros and 3 minor distros. 4. The Linux Community needs to provide support for Their Linux Distros and not be mean to their user base.

[@wasabi333]

Yeah, the video drivers are horrible.

[@Scott__C]

Indeed. I see this paradox of hoping the whole world will adopt Linux so they too can be cool, but then eye rolls when Joe or Jane Average don't want to fire up a command line. Unless there's an easy, better method developed than clicking Download and then Install, it will ultimately pull something from Windows, Mac, OS/2, BeOS or Xerox Alto, but that would make more people adopt it.

[@benj6964]

Maybe time has come to turn LARBS into a real distribution with an installer, to show them how they should do !

[@enricosevenfoldism]

Those Larbs scripts are basically arco linux or even endeavouros except with installer, even arch noawadays got scrips too 😂😂😂

[@aqualili]

@@folksurvival I would unironically use the hell out of this.

[@iskamag]

Just run larbs but with partitioning and pacstrap in the beginning

[@cyantwo936]

Soyware. Got me good

[@LeMeccerino]

I never ran into this issue with the pinebook pro since I just treated it like vanilla arch and used pacman exclusively.

[@jrgenbull5334]

Just act like your system isn't bloated and all your problems will disappear. Out of sight, out of mind.

[@eduardorpg3329]

After learning to use the terminal I've just become too lazy to open any front-end to install apps

[@whydoyouaskdude]

@@eduardorpg3329 you misspelled efficient

[@florianfelix8295]

@@tissuepaper9962 yup also it’s nice to be able to deinstall a particular software like that completely easily without messing with the rest of your system

[@BadeniaFilme]

Your Video explains the success of Linux Mint.

[@prometheus9443]

INDEED

[@brometheus6354]

There is something really offputting about those straight rows of trees.

[@henlofren7321]

Worse? It was already practically unusable for the average computer user since I first tried slackware in 2000.

[@henlofren7321]

@@0xDEAD-C0DE What Luke is criticizing in this video is all software, but we don't even have to go that far. I'd consider myself a linux expert by now and I still can't install/use any distro on most of the computers I own. No amount of knowledge is going to prepare you for the months you'll spend searching for firmware, kernel patches, and general fixes to common problems.

[@ribosomerocker]

What... what kind of computers do you own? Maybe I'd understand if this was still back in 2000, but these days; it's the opposite. Linux should support most computers except a couple mainstream ones, at most. Even then, going to search for "firmware or kernel patches" is definitely not any type of problem solving used these days for *any* issue. Are you sure this isn't a 20 year old issue?

[@hamobu]

OMG! Arch and it's derivatives should never had been created. Linux is dominated by hobbyist who think that vim is what others need to learn and use. Just use Mint! It's familiar to windows users (AKA everyone), it's based on Ubunutu so all the software and drivers will work with it, and IT JUST WORKS! What people want is web browsing, streaming, photos, dropbox, etc. Nobody cares about tiling WMs, CLI, vim, and other nonsense.

[@jezzamobile]

EXACTLY! Anyone who's happily discovered how much better GUI Linux is as a daily driver gets the "That's BLOAT!!" rant... "..You HAVE TO use (whatever this month's CLI toy is)..."

[@aes0p895]

i'm here because i just needed to find a therapy session for the past 3 hours of absolute ENFURIATING B******T I just had to go through. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@AFCAWorldBodybuildingArchive]

Why on this planet Manjaro for nebies? Mint, set it and forget it. SMH 😒

[@crudewax]

I started using linux 6 mounths ago (Linux mint cinnamon) when AI shit hit big and I started bring concerned with my data privacy. I found it easier and nicer to use than windows, despite never opening the terminal. I installed it on my grandma's computer (89 years old) and she also found it easier and nicer to use.

[@meqdadfn]

You haven't opened terminal? Biggest lie.

[@crudewax]

@@meqdadfn I never did, outside of neofetch/screenfetch of course :D

[@fromthesouthofafrica6815]

​@@meqdadfnThat is fully possible provided you are not using lmde 6

[@an2qzavok]

it has always been that way, and this is why "advanced" unix users just stick with terminals.

[@lucasb0rges]

Only Manjaro flagships (Gnome, Plasma and Xfce) come with flatpak and snap pre-installed, the minimal version of these flagship as the community releases don't.

[@pugo7925]

The worst part imo is, as Luke said you give people the illusion that their linux OS is working like Windows, and they're getting stuck in the wrong mindset. The way programs handled on Linux is fundamentally different. And if new users won't treat their system the right way, they'll inevitably find themselves with a broken system at some point. And a lot of time without even knowing the couse of that. I really think all those "switch to Linux" not need to explain more about the fundamental difference between Linux and other systems without worrying about overwhelming new users. They need to know these things at some anyway so it is better sooner than later.

[@BenMordecai]

I used Manjaro KDE as my "coming back to Linux" test case on a spare computer. Then I nuked my Windows and installed Arch once I had built up the confidence. I still have the Manjaro but I am planning to eventually migrate it over to Debian since I am using it as a personal server. I found that it is NOT the case that pacman and pamac are incompatible. You can even use pamac on Arch without messing things up. Rather, the issue is that Manjaro delays Arch releases in their repos but still grants access to the AUR which is expecting users to be on the Arch release cycle. Pamac does grant access to Snap, Flatpak, and AUR but you have to enable it in the settings. Personally, I have found Manjaro very stable, but I also am not installing a ton of stuff. It was a computer dedicated to tinkering with and setting up some self hosting. No issues with Grub or package updates.

[@JacobP81]

OK That explains why the system can be easily broken from just installing stuff. Sounds like a major issue with Manjaro. Pretty crazy to have the OS designed like that. No wonder why he says the general user would not like Linux. As I said, NOT an issue in Linux Mint. That basically sounds to me like an OS designed to break.

[@markharrisllb]

I tried SuSe Linux in the mid 90s and hated it, it was an over complicated, elitist, time consuming pain in the backside. I've recently, in the last 6 months or so, returned to Linux. After a disappointing experience with Ubuntu where it would randomly shut my old £25 machine down I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my return. I’ve even got my Hantek 6022BL working better on Mint Mate than it does in Windows. At the moment I’m running Mint Mate, Endeavour Xfce and Raspberry OS. I’m that breed of human who infamously has difficulty learning anything new because it was better in our day…a boomer.

[@M1szS]

idk how much has changed in the last 2 years, but when i switched to linux, it was literally easier to use than windows, way easier to customize what i want, dont have to debloat it, and installing everything is way easier, my only problem was when i installed some random extension that made my desktop unusable, and i had to manually delete it from the terminal

[@MichaelDomer]

*_"i switched to linux, it was literally easier to use than windows"_* Say the guy who only used a browser and some text editor lol

[@M1szS]

​@@MichaelDomer How do you know what i use? I do WAY more things than just use the browser. Things like making react apps, working with databases, those are literally easier on Linux, because you can do everything through the terminal, and i don't get a weird error, or have to manually create an npm folder in appdata, because the windows installer sucks. Also installing ffmpeg was 10 times easier, literally 1 command on Linux, while on windows i had to go through like 10 different windows, just to get it working. I also play games, but all of them are either on steam, work with wine, or have native Linux support. Linux is easier for me, because i don't have to deal with microsoft's bs, like having to debloat the system, and i actually have control over it, unlike on windows, where i literally can't uninstall edge without 3rd party tools

[@JeffReeves]

Any time any valid criticisms are thrown at Linux you'll end up with one of several responses, and they generally revolve around a circle jerk of "I'm a special snowflake that mastered Linux and if you wasted all your life to get to my level you'd not want it changed either".

[@rrwholloway]

Linux desktop will never go mainstream.

[@ΘοδωρήςΨυχογιός]

I feel attacked 😭

[@wikinut1]

The problem is that "Linux" is not an operating system, it's an incredibly broad and diverse group of developers and software whose only commonality is the ABI. There will never be a time where the "Linux Desktop" (tm) will be generally good. There might be a time where a single community creates a full system with Linux being the kernel, but that will look like more like KaOS and less like Manjaro. Until then, there will be what there has been, enthusiasts and engineers hacking together a desktop running a server-side operating system. Maybe in the future other open-source desktop operating systems like Haiku will be an option to those who just want an open-source desktop and those who want a hackable, Unix-like system can also have the *BSDs and illumos. Things might be better if we stop trying to cram every conceivable idea in computer science onto Linux and giving it to normies for philosophical reasons.

[@zugzwang2161]

I’m new to Linux mint is cake and I agree I’d rather be forced to learn to install via terminal than snaps. I don’t want to use a mouse it’s really annoying.

[@risa8244]

The snap store is a gui wrapper for the snap command

[@kdcadet]

Someone please explain. I use Manjaro and regulary run either pamac or pacman for to do updates, depending on my mood. In pamac, if I click the arrow to show the console output, it seems to be the same as the pacman output for the same transaction. Is pamac not a wrapper around pacman? (with added functionality like AUR helper, snap, and flatpak obviously)

[@rishabruh]

according to the wiki pamac is just a frontend for pacman but I'm not sure i haven't used manjaro that extensively

[@jrgenbull5334]

ye

[@thallium54]

I’ve heard that they may ditch pacman someday.

[@adityadeshmukhIsEpIc]

@@thallium54 bruh what

[@zerquex4520]

@@thallium54 that literally wouldn't work

[@JiyakuBuraku]

Sometimes I can't tell if the soyjaks are traces of esam or not. The thumbnail really closely resembles him on this one.

[@_M_4]

Why is Esam in the thumbnail? lmao

[@samzx81]

It's funny makes me think of Ubuntu. I think it was actually really good in like 2009. I mean it didn't just get popular for no reason. Obviously it sort of sucks now.

[@erichahn3336]

How does it suck though?

[@JoseMVelazquez]

@@erichahn3336 I'd like to know that as well. Sure maybe from a philosophical view it's not what hardcore Linux users like, but for the normal user its absolutely fine. I use Fedora (always has been my fav for some reason) but I installed Ubuntu on my sister's computer (she was tired of Windows) as well as my aunt's, and on an old laptop for my dad to use as a second pc. These were 3 people that would call me once a week because something broke on their computers, but that hasn't been the case since they switched to Ubuntu... my dad still calls about his Windows pc every time he can't cancel a print job. Now of course 3 cases don't represent the norm, but I can't say Ubuntu sucks when every installation of it around me is working perfectly fine.

[@AAAA-cn2qk]

I was trying out Arch Linux on the TTY console in a VM, and for some reason I couldn't scroll up to see the previous text. I looked it up and asked for help online (which got downvoted), and apparently Linus Torvalds, the guy who made Linux, removed the ability to scroll because "probably nobody uses it". I would link the article, but this is the second time posting this comment after KZbin removed the first one with the link. You're now expected to download third-party programs to be able to scroll. Half of the commands in that console requires scrolling to use, or you can't see the text those commands print out. Scrolling in console is a basic feature, and I don't want to go through the process of using an entirely new operating system if basic things can just be taken from me.

[@usrnewxnew5227]

you could pipe it through 'less' though. but i get what you're saying honestly. the no scrolling bullshit gave me a ton of headaches when starting out. plus there's a lot of other basic functionality that is hidden behind a bunch of multiple cryptic commands ("UnIx PHilOSoPHy") that in worse OSes could be done through a single command or even a single click. The community isn't helpful much when you ask them this too, smugly telling newbies to google it or to read the man pages -- or as they say it , RTFM. Motherfucker, i don't even know how to use man, how do you think i'll read the pages? Honestly the fact that you were downvoted for asking a simple question is a prime example of everything wrong with the linux community. there are a lot of talented people in it but the neckbeard gatekeepers just hold it back. These people are the one of the biggest reasons windows is never going to lose to linux -- as much as i'd like to see that happen.

[@enkvadrat_]

I also had this problem when starting out.l installing arch. Now I use a terminal emulator so that is not a problem. What I would do is write the output of the command I am running to a file and then read it with my texteditor.

[@vinh7251]

As previously stated you can do this in the terminal but it’s a little convoluted. If you pipe the output of your command into the less command you can scroll up and down the output and then press q to exit less when you’re done. For example, if you have a large directory you can enter: ls -alh | less Which will list all files in a long format with human readable values, take the output from the ls command and make it the input to the less command which will display it a page at a time and allow you to scroll up and down , either with the up and down cursor keys or page up and page down. Pressing q will exit out of less and drop you back to the shell prompt. You can also do finds and a few other funky things in less but being able to view content will get you started and learn the more advanced features later on. Piping is used heavily in most shells and is a powerful technique so it’s worth investing some time in learning if you will be spending time at the command prompt. You don’t need to become a full on neckbeard about it, just learn a few simple examples that will save you time and effort and pick up any others that you need as you go. This approach initially feels weird until you figure out that the linux philosophy is that each tool should do one job well rather than two jobs badly. The example above uses one tool to generate the content (ls) and another to display it in a more useful manner (less).

[@RetosSpace]

Holy Snap!! Noob dude here like 4 months in and everytime there was an upgrade to Manjaro I was using ,it would break and send me to tty2 and then never work!! This happened 4 times ,eventually I lost patience and then switched to another distro!!!! On Point Luke and again a brilliant channel!!!!

[@MrJunkes]

Not with me for 4 years. Did you just install every new update blindly or use too much AUR packages?

[@tsbohc]

@@MrJunkes Pretty sure they were joking

[@derdicky1982]

@@MrJunkes not being able to trust updates from my distro package manager or having a state of ' too much packages' describes 'broken distro' very much

[@CRK1918]

I know what you're talking about. My brother has the same problem with manjaro.The upgrade can't be upgraded, and the package can't be installed. , he decided to install kde none.

[@jadencorr6897]

Video literally describes the reason why I migrated from Linux to Windows + WSL setup. I was just tired with this shit.

[@fujocel]

It's time to embrace the path of BSD Gnosticism, the lefthanded path.

[@luna9751]

Secrecy from the normies is of essence then, at least to avoid stupid questions that will further their frustration with trying to understand the reasoning of delving into such "forbidden" paths!

[@alternateperson6600]

@Nerevar Indoril "ethical freedom issues" yet it's Linux that's been the most amicable (Steam, vidya, Nvidya, etc) to proprietary software.

[@alternateperson6600]

​@Nerevar Indoril indeed. But the permissibility we see on Linux towards proprietary software is deeply rooted within the developers, the project's scope and ambition, and partially the GNU rationale for software development. All the GPL folly about freedom falters when you cater to the lowest common denominator because you care more about adoption (and ideology) than quality. By contrast, when you don't reciprocate normies' demands the users are naturally immunized against infection from closed systems because they are mentally above anything that could be offered by them, regardless of which licence terms an OS or software might be bound to. I've never bothered with Linux evangelism, or open source evangelism in general, because the influx of normies will inevitably induce developers to be more proactive to and eager for normie approval at all costs, even if it means compromising simplicity and, in worse cases, swindling the userbase by introducing spyware in a palliated, but palatable, "easy to use" desksoy™ abstraction (wink wink, it's why democracy is the cesspool of stratagems it is). I want normies out; any system that caters to them only breeds frivolous competition and deception.

[@fujocel]

​@Nerevar Indoril If you're referring to the leftist code of conduct (i personally have no issues with it) but theres always forking, and bsd has one of the most lenient licenses and OpenBSD has an insanely strong foundation to build on. That's just my own soy opinion though.

[@rodney_d]

I use and like Manjaro, but you are totally right about the pacman vs. pamac situation. Why would you want pamac when you have pretty much the best repositoy (pacman) available???

[@TheVnom]

but its just a gui for pacman, doesnt it run pacman in the background?

[@SoftwareRat]

wtf they use the same repository and Pamac is more convenient then pacman

[@rodney_d]

@@TheVnom It's not just a GUI for pacman, but an entirely different package manager.

[@ricardorien]

Because you are a normie and don't know how to install things

[@Steve-Richter]

I find command line difficult to use because I cannot remember all the commands and parameter switches.

[@xX_Lol6_Xx]

Can't you just write then down? Or set an alias?

[@jakubhalik-rr6sv]

Make aliases in ur .bashrc / .zshrc or whatev .{shell}rc u use

[@DraconianKindness]

Linux is not getting worse. Linux users are just getting dumber.

[@Christobanistan]

My major malfunction with Linux is the horrible hardware support and general overall bugginess. These devs care only about making some new, shiny distro rather than fixing the distro they're basing off of. They should volunteer as testers and bug fixers and try to improve stability, but that isn't new and sexy! He's right, drop all the new package managers and fix the actual packages that just don't work or can't be updated w/o breaking the system! Or fix the bug in the package managers that allow packages to do shit that compromises the system. There should be a LOT more checks! The idea that GRUB can be compromised by a package is absurd!

[@Pariatech]

I, unironically, don't want linux normies ruining my GNU/Linux.

[@mohamedbelafdal6362]

I want to ruin loonix ironically

[@Pariatech]

@@mohamedbelafdal6362 based accelerationist

[@janmrog]

I want you to use openbsd and gatekeep there. Nobody needs more gatekeeping in the linux community

[@Pariatech]

@@janmrog BSD muh CVCK loicence. hard pass my dood

[@MarkHobbes]

Elitist?

[@juzujuzu4555]

Everyone should just install Gentoo. Testing branch with zero day sources, DWM, booted to 'desktop' with drivers loaded takes 58MB of RAM.

[@Alexbl100]

@@abdulwahabjag yep, but I hope you have a good CPU or you won't have fun.

[@crazymonkeyVII]

58 MB? Can you explain how you did that? Because I've ran Gentoo for a while, but even with just a light WM I've never managed to boot it in less than 130 MB... :(

[@heavyguy4660]

Honest question: Are you daft?

[@crazymonkeyVII]

@@heavyguy4660 why?

[@heavyguy4660]

@@crazymonkeyVII idk about you, but the majority of people don't want to go through the trouble of compiling programs all the time.

[@greed0599]

Except shit DOESNT just install from the command line. You ALWAYS have to spend an hour troubleshooting why some shit is pulling errors. Linux just fucking sucks, man.

[@TaxiCabCole]

I usually fix any issue after five minutes and I'm a new user. if you're really that computer illiterate, you can just use flatpak.

[@prysrek8858]

@@TaxiCabCole 🤓

[@TaxiCabCole]

@@prysrek8858 waltuh, put your dick away waltuh

[@TaxiCabCole]

@MichaelDustter tf do you use? kali?

[@Bubble23428]

@@TaxiCabCole man I love Kali Linux not for gaming obviously but for what I want to do. I just use Arch Linux for gaming.

[@FirstLast-ie3kq]

I went back to windows because the breach in privacy is actually worth the sacrifice just so I don't have to fuck around for 5 hours once a month to get Linux to even start up let alone run games at 10 fps. It's completely unacceptable and off-putting, and always will be.

[@SebSenseGreen]

I've been using Manjaro for about a year now and I'm very happy and satisfied with it so far. Very stable. About Flatpak and Snap, as far as I know they are opt-in. I just checked my setting (My install is a couple months old) and they are off. I don't remember changing that but I might be mistaken. Anyways, you can easily disable them.

[@ReluctantReader]

Imagine wanting your favourite thing to become accepted as prestige in current year.

[@leroyonlinux283]

Just use Manjaro KDE Edition. No Problems with hooks, just Dolphin, usable fore normies. Actually I can't understand the rant. (You're right with the KISS principle,shure.)

[@_sidrs]

I guess he's talking about the gtk-file browser and the qt one. The gtk file chooser really sucks

[@voxelfusion9894]

@Y W what the heck screwed up your laptop so bad? I've had zero issues. Maybe you need to do a clean install instead of fixing things all the time, and then start using timeshift when things break.

[@yttrium_32]

@@_sidrs Which DE do those come with?

[@_sidrs]

@@yttrium_32 they are present pretty much every in DE, they are just interface toolkits. apps on gnome mostly use gtk as their backend and the native apps on KDE/lxqt use the qt-backend. This is all i know about those, im still learning stuff about linux, i might be wrong :)

[@atari947]

@Y W I just migrated to manjaro and it runs Soo much better. Performance on CPU heavy games like hoi4 is miles better aswell so idk

[@MrWorshipMe]

Installing using the terminal is easier if you know what's the name of the application (and even then the package might be wierdly named so you have to search for it first....) GUI makes it simpler to discover new aplications and alternatives, as well as those weirdly named packages.

[@reactionaryprinciplegaming]

I have been an exclusive Linux user for more than 20 years, and I agree with you here; Linux is fucking getting worse! Things used to get better, to a point where I was confident enough to install Linux on my old mother's laptop; it just worked. Around 7 years ago, it's like everybody went insane and things started getting worse and worse. Everybody wants to design their own things instead of making the things that exist stable and optimised. They always want to add new flashy features when the foundations are not working properly. I'm so fucking sick of it. I want my computer to work for me; I don't want to work for it. I want my OS to be fast, stable and familiar, so it can get out of the way and I can do my work. Linux was at that point (or very close) a few years back, but now, it fell off a cliff!

[@craigw4644]

Best part of Linux, install the base then add only what you want (period)

[@El-hj7ew]

I recently started using linux and as my first distribution, following Luke's old video installed manjaro and watching this video was big bruh for me.

[@mickmoon6887]

You know something is wrong when manjaro have more crashes than arch in this current date/time. Current open source meta have two anatagonistic philosophies and most distros and development fall under this spectrum GNU hardcore vs Neo Apple and Botnet vs NoBotnet Eg Open BSD vs Ubuntu GN0me and Nonsystemd vs Systemd There is imbalance between these philosophies where Neo Apple is toppling over GNU Hardcore and Systemd toppling over nonsyustemd due to higher number of zoomers and millenial population contributing to open source development where they take worst lazy hackaroundd developing methods. Linux optimum level between normies vs experts users is non existent atm For linux to get better The tried and old method of gate keeping must be used(controversial), stop the usuage of javascript leaky web language for GUIs, neo apple philosophy like (GN0me, Systemd) should not interact with linux it makes no sense.

[@user-lt2rw5nr9s]

I love that instead of saying crappy programmers or inexperienced programmers, you say millennial and zoomer developers.

[@vladlu6362]

Pretty much most or the arch Linux desktop users do have "two" package managers, pacman and an AUR helper, eg paru, yay.

[@kirayoshikage4057]

Only a moron uses AUR unhelper.

[@Kevzz2srs]

@@kirayoshikage4057 weird how some AUR utilities straight up break the AUR packages

[@enricosevenfoldism]

@@Kevzz2srs idk man but i use yay all day and it never broke a single thing,

[@vladlu6362]

@@kirayoshikage4057 You seriously are telling me that you makepackage -si for every single update of said package? I mean, if you want to start trolling and saying "but I can't see the makefile"... The AUR helper literally forces you to see the makefile. Well, anyway...

[@vladlu6362]

@@enricosevenfoldism Precisely, Never had any aur package break on me ever, and I never had to use makepackage.

[@B4dD0GGy]

I use Linux for work everyday then go home to chill out on windows

[@zoop2174]

I on and off install some Linux distro to check if it finally works out of the box. Last was Debian with KDE (because Plasma is the only one with semi working display scaling). It asked for my password in order to mount the internal HDDs and then I couldn't even delete something off of them. How does that happen? Most software I want to install does have its on elaborate install script anyways.

[@HeyBuddays]

When we getting the Uncle Luke distro?

[@youtubevanced4900]

Mint tests everything thoroughly. It has a carefully handcrafted and tested package manager. If your happy with an older kernel I think it's the way to go. I wouldn't recommend a normie onto anything else.