I Amass the BIGGEST Orc Army Ever (& Throw it at Opponents) | Against the Odds | Historic MTG Arena

[@MTGGoldfish]

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[@MrShinyObject]

That Ugin player was straight up playing an Ugin deck. They had matching sleeves and even a pet that looked like him. Mad respect.

[@thatoneguy7781]

The only thing I learned from this video is that the one ring is a crutch for a lot of decks

[@Dom9606]

for real I am so sick of seeing this card in random ass decks in historic

[@Alexander-rk4cu]

I mean, just look at what it does, its too good to not have it in your deck. Is it a crutch? Hell yeah.

[@BobardeZanzibar]

If it allows for greater deck variety then I'm for it. I'd also be fine with an errata.

[@Dom9606]

@@BobardeZanzibar >greater deck variety >every deck is running 4 of the same card you can only pick one

[@savagesnadgaming7252]

It will be errata in historic

[@themeditatinggamer2264]

The amount of times Seth alternated between elation & disappointment in the 2nd game was hilarious.

[@darksideofthesand]

38:53 Your absolutely correct, this BR goblins build has been a teir deck for awhile now. Basically your best draw lets you drop crucias turn 3 discard a 3 drop to tutor for Muxus and then play him turn 4 with the treasure generated from Crucias plus 1 other way of generating an extra mana. This build of the deck is alot more consistent because it means you only need Muxas as a 1 of because his 6 mana price tag can be a dead draw if you dont have mana for him or if you need to race more. In fact the decks that play Crucias all almost exclusively are built with only 1 card in the 4+ cmc spot, for instance mardu midrange runs only cmc 1-3 cards and then Atraxa at its top end which lets you always tutor for her if tou have Crucias on turn 3 AND next turn hea a discard outlet.

[@zachgray4767]

Hot take: The One Ring should have had the added rules text of only allowing one copy per deck. Not only does this ooze flavor, but it powers down the card dramatically and removes the option of just playing a new one to cancel out the first. If they can have Nazgul and Plague Rats let you play more than 4, they could've just as easily restricted The One Ring.

[@Masked_ghsot_riley.offical]

I see a lot of people do that at my local card shop just to keep things balanced

[@TGPDrunknHick]

@@Masked_ghsot_riley.offical my local friend group at least for LOTR themed decks just keeps to 1 of each legendary anything. makes things wierd but, it's fun.

[@dracish123456789]

I think you have forgotten in a few games fall can just kill single vreatures

[@dracish123456789]

Like against the sheoldred you decide to rering instead of fall which you have had 8 mana to kill her getting two treasure back. Match 4 game 1 was a throw playing the one ring

[@mercadonathedrawmartinezro1660]

What a Game two was , incredible

[@suNn.K.O]

JANK! JANK! JANK! (to the tune of GROND!)

[@daveSoupy]

GROND

[@-homerow-]

Wow Match 2 Game 1 might be the most Against the Odds game Ever!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Seriously

[@jancukasu]

0:09 Hold up, stop right there, *I'M IN* 🤣🤣🤣

[@LemonpeelEater]

I think people (and by people I mean Seth) usually scoop too early to Ugin. Ofc you can't even beat a single Ugin if you insta-concede as soon as it ETBs. Difference here is that you tried

[@shanewong5092]

54:52 You could prevent opponent from drawing a card by casting Shatterskull Smashing with no targets because it says "Up to two targets." You can see it's even highlighted as castable.

[@47Mortuus]

68/68? So close :(

[@ferdithetank7535]

Should've added Thoralf, God of Thunder and Brash Taunter as well, they're basically the same strategy

[@MurasakiTama]

Awesome episode. I wonder if Song Mad Treachery would be worth running as another mdfc. It's another tapped land or a 5 mana threaten that can give your giant army haste.

[@georgelacatus1495]

I'm a simple man: I see a monored devotion video, and I like it

[@LadyMapi]

It's a shame that Hunted Dragon isn't Historic legal - it'd be really sweet if there was some mono-red way to give your opponent creatures to hit with your sweepers (other than Relic Robber, which is the sole example in Historic). Another cute idea for Fall of Caer Andros for 60 card formats would be to combine it somehow with Pestilent Spirit to turn most damage you deal into excess damage.

[@lphenry1]

Is there a world where you want all will be one in this deck?

[@xn85d2]

Hmm, interesting idea. His cards to deal excess damage all hit each enemy creature, so you'd "only" be pinging their face for the amount of each amass, not pinging each creature on the board in turn and amassing for every point of excess damage (which would be hilarious and OP at the same time). It'd still be a ton of damage but might be worse than Kazuul's Fury due to not being a land and costing 5. You can probably make a deck with single-target excess damage spells and then All Will Be One would be amazing.

[@keilanl1784]

In Match 2 Game 2, couldn't Seth attack with the Mirror-Breaker Token, make a treasure, then have enough mana to Star of Extinction wiping all of the creatures and planeswalkers? Seemed like an option. Awesome deck tho!

[@HarverTheSlayer]

No, for a very simple reason: Karn renders Treasure tokens unusable.

[@Ruubinnn]

Thrillseeker wants a spot in the deck!

[@Eagle0600]

If only it was {1}{R}{R}.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I had one at first but it ended up getting cut

[@Ruubinnn]

@@MTGGoldfish I already thought so sadge, glad you gave her a shot though!

[@JL-ue9jy]

More respect now that I see you're wearing a Trampled by Turtles shirt

[@theironrist_2245]

Great video. Also, sick Trampled by Turtles shirt!

[@Danikileitor]

Your Go.

[@bye1551]

The fact it continued into their go cause they spammed it so much was almost funny if it weren't so irritating

[@jaxsonbateman]

That monogreen opponent's game 1 was frustrating. Basically loses on the spot to a single nonland/artifact removal spell on the Gateway. So extremely fragile, but get paid off for it (by playing against jank, I guess).

[@konnichi1wa]

I kept hoping someone would play the wanderer against this.

[@schumerus6786]

In draft an opponent said that the wasn’t good, then the very next game I had “Orcish Laser” was in hand and blasted his attacker each turn, blocked with the remaining 4/4 and had my win con online. Obviously getting to 8 Mana was the key

[@Tennethums1]

Love these videos, Chris Griffin! 👍😇

[@ardras4649]

Ooooh man i've been trying to build a deck like that, but yours is so much better x)

[@AAtac-hw2sf]

While these games are entertaining to watch, they kind of remind me to stay away from historic myself

[@discobiscuits4251]

Fall is. so good in an EDH 0r brawl Rith deck, didnt know it even existed

[@Bullasorsa]

Not seeing the info on cards on the right is really annoying, would much prefer to see them than facecam.

[@andrewwoods2735]

Nah disagree

[@balistafreak]

I agree, not being able to pause and read cards I'm unfamiliar with and be forced to look them up in a separate window is extremely annoying. The bottom-right position is fine, he just needs to be shrunk down ~25% or so so that his head isn't blocking the card box.

[@djgreeneggsandhampton8680]

Strong disagree

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, it will be smaller next time. My bad

[@goldbrickslegocorner3614]

I'd like to see this deck up against their Teferi's Protection (sans One Ring) deck

[@cupcakeapplesauce]

1:04:38 yes we did magic gods

[@NoyzBot]

the fact you kept throwing away your flings and then wondering where your flings are really drove me nuts lmao

[@NoyzBot]

could you have exiled their ring on their upkeep? or would that card draw be an issue?

[@harutakami1313]

match 3 that person was just super impatient. spamming "your go" even when the game was waiting on *their* input? someone who wants you to think less and play faster.

[@jasonhernandez3806]

Excessive red Devotion commander deck next?

[@ReyosBlackwood]

14:55 not running out the wily first is kinda a misplay I think, leaves you nykthos mana here and your treasures after you play the ring - sure it's possible you draw better with the ring, but not likely on the 1st draw off it

[@mariav.larac.5540]

No Thoralf? Is a good alternative for a combo kill. Also, Sylvan Scrying is coming to arena, so a good way to tutor for Nyxthos.

[@radioguy20]

I was kinda disappointed that the mono red god from Kaldhiem wasn’t in the deck, but other than that the deck was pretty cool

[@danielquigley2695]

Match 2 Wow!

[@jaydenyamada2916]

Side note, I teied that budget mono G list from a while ago and it really atruggled, seemed too slow and not enough value

[@TheWorldsStage]

If we're talking about the same deck, I think I played it too. I added a land or two and took out one copy of Nissa. It works fine for a mono-green budget deck

[@jaydenyamada2916]

@@TheWorldsStage yeah we are. I also probably just ran badly,

[@nabcddfwidgslufjsdgb]

Why the webcam cover the cards when they are casted... It's too big and in a ankward spot to be, for people like me that don't play standard often and don't know all the cards by memory, we gotta search the card to know what it does.

[@rayflexer698]

Is it an idea to run forbidden orchard to make the token to combo with the token generation?

[@Welverin]

Not in Historic.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Forbidden Orchard isn’t on Arena, if it was I’d probably play a copy or two for control decks that don’t play many creatures

[@ajax4709]

personally i think the one ring would have been more flavorful if it said you phase out, but thats just me

[@rennysama9752]

Phasing stops you from being able do anything, though

[@ajax4709]

@@rennysama9752 probably would balance it more

[@KS_419]

Surprised there’s no “fear, fire, foes,” in this deck. Pay x and a red to deal x damage to target creature and 1 damage to every other creature that opponent controls

[@KS_419]

Also damage can’t be prevented this turn

[@zaton666]

Hey, Goldfish editor, could you please consider making SethCam a bit smaller in upcoming videos? His majestic hair obstructs both the played cards, and his own hand.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, we noticed that too. It will be fixed in the future. Thanks for the feedb

[@lkledu2]

Fun fact? Cair means Fall in portuguese

[@chrishoye55]

Seth, you do know that there is a mute button for annoying opponents right?

[@thevaultwalrus]

this loooooks SWEET

[@MistaZiggy]

Match 2 should have played the tree emissary before you star of extinctioned

[@hashbeth]

The more against the odds I see, the more I'm convinced they need to ban the One Ring. It' just too good. It would be better if limited to one per deck (and MUCH more flavorful) but sans something like that it needs to go.

[@survivalizer]

Not including the actual fling?

[@MTGGoldfish]

It’s not really necessary now that we have MDFC fling

[@RouroniRockman]

The ending to that penultimate games was just fantastic.

[@Grushvak]

We can't begin to measure how salty that goblin player was game 3. Extremely rude opponent.

[@BuddahBlueMage]

"or if we're playing a removal heavy deck" my competitive magic experience has told me this is what people do. it isn't fun tbh.

[@camael4209]

Seth's at it again, throwing for content

[@garmatey3816]

Your go

[@yO-xe3ny]

People complaining about the One Ring are hilarious. The card has tons of answers but people refuse to run them then complain. Adjust to the metagame and cards or lose as has been the case for new sets for literally 25 years.

[@nosyamthegreat8768]

I dont get why you played the fling as a land? You had three others and are far more likely to draw a land then a fling

[@thaddeusgenhelm8979]

I'm not sure which time you meant, but I think at least one of those was because it was the tap land in his hand and being able to curve out with untapped lands on subsequent turns was part of his concerns? Though I'll admit I can't place the rationale in all cases.

[@kuru9157]

You know a deck is going to be stupid when it's nearly all 4-ofs

[@Korlis5]

48:40 EXCUSE ME ?

[@Wulfram77]

You play Crucias in Goblins because it finds you Muxus

[@subtleknife1]

Negative. Sixty. Six.

[@Bloodmuffin6]

I hope the ban the ring soon. It's just absurdly op

[@GM-by7tc]

You won against a turn 5 ultimate ugin. what.

[@dorkpork9115]

How to counter: play black

[@9forMortalMen]

Average Ugin player intelligence.

[@ryanbolson23]

That goblin deck was such a baby. Stop being upset with your opponent taking time to consider plays. Maybe if you had a well structured deck you wouldn’t lose so much and be salty about it. 🤷‍♂️

[@hunterogue]

First

[@dickcockpenisinvagin]

The one ring is the meta right now. I've come across decks that don't even use it as part of the main plan and still have 4 copies. Everyone thought ragavan was bad.....

[@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147]

4 mana effective time walk + card draw is crazy, who knew?

[@WashedOutBanshee69]

No city on fire? Im disappointed.

[@TehKang]

It's been a while since I've seen someone as openly toxic and salty as the goblin player from match 3 lol most people stop spamming after the scoop but they were spamming post result screen

[@TheLunaLockhart]

Your Go.

[@Falnky]

Really fun deck and a great video! One suggestion though, I'd appreciate it if either your cam view was smaller, or switched to the other side. Being not too familiar with all the cards, the cam view blocks the card text when played, which makes things a bit hard to follow.

[@sahjhan1]

User Banned for Life should be banned for life for that obnoxious BM

[@anythingarax]

Seth turning into Gollum "He loves, and hates the ring"

[@jamesreynolds6219]

But my lord there is no such force!

[@xn85d2]

But my lord there is no such force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2axhZqQdpKrjac

[@balbadorf989]

The disrespect from the guy who slammed a crucius in a goblin deck was such a sad sight

[@laurelkeeper]

It’s to tutor Muxus, right?

[@ferdithetank7535]

Accidentally turning on captions was the best idea ever. Gender skull smashing killed me😂

[@zackestin1368]

I love when opponents playing elves or goblins in historic get salty over wrath’s like gamer grow up

[@brandonkiehl269]

"I'm playing the fastest deck I can find, and I also get salty when anyone plays something slower than me" lol

[@zackestin1368]

@@brandonkiehl269 homie meant to queue for unranked frfr

[@stormcountmtg4183]

YOO!!!!! Seth finally gave up brewing and started playing monored!

[@matthiascronqvist13]

“Oh this gets our opponent so hard” Seth-2023

[@dinnerpartyempire]

only on 2nd match and i have to say the editing is excellent this episode. nice!

[@izzyv830]

34:19 flavor win lol

[@trevosh15]

'muxus, sometimes they wiff-' pulls a ridiculous amount of goblins instead.

[@NeoSamurai13]

Is "Cast into the Fire" not best used on your opponents turn, after they take the damage, in response to an opponent tapping the One Ring to draw? Wouldn't that result in them drawing no cards?

[@marowakcity3727]

no, if an effect looks for some property of a permanent that isn't on the battlefield anymore, it looks for what that property was when it was right before it left the battlefield. If this wasn't the case then fling just wouldn't work

[@kylegonewild]

@@marowakcity3727 There is a caveat to this, which is cards that specify "as this ability resolves."

[@MTGGoldfish]

Wouldn’t they just tap The One Ring in response and draw two more cards?

[@childrenofmayhem7667]

@@MTGGoldfish if The One Ring is removed from play before the ability resolves it will not draw the cards. I assume this is due to the burden counter not being placed as part of the ability trigger.

[@JaxonUm]

​@@childrenofmayhem7667this isn't true. They will draw the cards.

[@Gorruth]

Hey Seth. Loved the vid, but I have a small issue. Can you next time move facecam a little bit so we can see description of the cards on the stack? Thanks in advance 😊

[@Maseman90]

Your heads kinda blocking the card descriptions being newer to magic I'd like to read some of them and learn about them. Just a observation thanks

[@nedcurfman3486]

One of these days, I hope we get Against the Odds | Teaching Arena Zoomers about Panglacial Wurm

[@JVarley9001]

I can see why that guy was Banned For Life with how he was spamming "your go"

[@jrjamesson]

"fall of carador"?!? cmon you aren't even trying now

[@endlessaustinbox]

That BR Goblin player got TILTED.

[@philkav]

I'm not sure what Karen Rose did, but she sure falls a lot.

[@atomskpk997]

Here to say I ordered the first opponents life total.

[@blueeyedenvy9715]

Beating 3 ugins was pretty epic

[@jdonvance]

9:10 Leave it to Saff to be right and wrong at the same time. He may have inadvertently been thinking of Sinkhole, which costs BB, but he's calling out Stone Rain (2R) as the *effect* that one could indeed get for two mana back in the day.

[@Petile]

What a game match two was

[@sanddagger36]

"your go"

[@OhOneNine]

Watching Blue Control lose to obscure combo brings me great joy.

[@ReiyKishi]

Hmm I feel like Solphim would have made it excessive but quite funny as well.