I Beat MTG Players Without a Win Condition (Gameplay)

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[@HarryMTG]

1000 likes and I will try and win with wincon-less storm

[@electronekaidrenshock7974]

Jokes on you, we sure will make this happen, probably.

[@Pokenonymous]

LSV already did it.

[@mikihernano936]

You didn't show match 2 where I won 😅 by the way I still have nightmares with that academy ruins at night 🤣 theirishnano

[@noname-mp6ox]

Please don't do vintage storm. Maybe legacy artifact control?

[@Megatron9000]

@@Pokenonymous I was gonna say, why not just call it LSV storm lol

[@GeorgieZaccour]

I would say academy ruins being able to prevent yourself from decking until they deck does count as a win condition, it's not any different from teferi continuously tucking itself. Close enough tho.

[@electronekaidrenshock7974]

Literally an emotional damage deck. 11/10

[@TheClassyGamer]

First off before i even watch past the intro, THIS is the content I long for. Thank you so much for playing just to troll for fun.

[@maple_ceres5912]

This is the exact type of deck that I love to see. My inner stax and Lantern player is squealing with joy!

[@davidg694]

Would love to see a deck that only draws the game, killing both players at the same time, infinite loops that can't be stopped, etc.

[@richardmorgan7734]

my commander deck is exactly like this lol, I just try to make the stack as absurd as possible

[@NStripleseven]

@@richardmorgan7734c h a o s

[@Yuzuki1337]

Worldgorger combo?

[@nosniboR_naI]

I don’t think academy ruins is a typical win condition I think of it as a more high synergy piece, which can be disrupted in multiple ways. Besides, you can win by not playing as many cards and decking them anyway, vintage is weird like that.

[@XenithShadow]

It does count as a win con though, looping the onering infinitely while not drawing card is just a really slow version of turbo fog. I would still classify it as a win condition aside from conceding, the evidence for this is that the one game he uses the ruins to loop the opponent has seen his entire deck, which means that looping the random artifacts was a win condition as harry had less card in deck than the opponents so would have lost without looping.

[@dasfabelwesen]

Teferi can go tuck himself was an entire architype in standard, so it is a wincon.

[@colgatelampinen2501]

This is pretty cool. Another winconless way would be to play clock. Play cards that force your opponent to make decisions and play fast so they run out of time first.

[@CakesHere]

Ruins is the win con the same way 5feri in 2018 standard was a win con. It's impossible to lose the game once you have complete control over the game

[@hotcoldman9793]

My favorite deck ever was 4 platinum angels and every counter spell and bounce spell I owned. My friends loved me! 😂

[@camfunme]

Using Academy Ruins is definitely a win-con, similar to the 5-feri deck where the only win-con is to self-tuck with Teferi Hero of Dominaria and win via mill.

[@strictlyworse_mk7108]

5:59 Did you realize in hindsight that you should have played sphere first over forge to bait out a force, since you could have potentially guaranteed forge hitting, or have I missed something?

[@dannyheywood6828]

I’m pretty sure he cared more about the sphere resolving against the combo deck than the slow value engine.

[@Rezemoor]

The Bazaar of Baghad match was absolutely hilarious!!!

[@Bigd2k]

0:21 this just sounds so cruel and yet I can’t look away.

[@bgik12]

Magic at it's best... LMFAO this is a soul killing deck. Love it!

[@ClubbingSealCub]

Academy ruins is a win condition in this deck. It's the same thing u Tron does in modern.

[@dasfabelwesen]

Academy ruins is a fine wincon. I would concede to that.

[@gersoncoelho]

This was A MUST! Lovely eheheheh Btw, your videos are great! Thank you for the uploads =D

[@alexherrington9142]

It depends on how much you value your time honestly. A lot of times it's "Yeah, you have your PO line that might fail, but let's get on with it." Also, this idea running into Absorbentthree would be 20 turns of a Dryad Arbor making you rage quit instead, which would be the best MtG video on youtube.

[@nomatyx5789]

I think that academy ruins is the most winconless win condition i've ever seen and therefore should be allowed

[@sunset_irises]

"Fuck you" is my favorite wincon.

[@colinpatton1541]

WINCONLESS STAX!!!!!!!!!!! LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[@polarmage2577]

Now you gotta make a deck full of infinite combos that lead to draw.

[@brandonbrooks779]

"They'll constantly have to click buttons" Every Magic player's bane.

[@grantpolley]

Academy Ruins is definitely a win condition

[@maximuscesar]

This remembers me of that season of UW control with sphinx revelation and big Teferi.

[@MetalHev]

I've seen a deck with...not the same idea, but you COULD do the same thing, in standard no less. Its just a bant control deck with Shigeki and Endless Detour to create an infinite loop of counterspells. There are no wincons (other than hitting with shigeki for 20 turns) other than the other guy decking out, but you can just Endless Detour one of their own cards, then counter it again. And again. And again. Until the heat death of the universe or the patience death of the poor soul.

[@jerrymcdaniel6643]

So I put together a blue black deck on arena for the pioneer format. It was a copy cat/ steal your stuff deck that I really didn't have a win con in either. But it did do well considering it was put together with what I had available. But I'm working on an etali splinter twin deck for pioneer

[@SomeOne-ym4xg]

The reason control decks sometimes don’t run win cons is because they don’t do anything except close the game. I remember in like 2018 standard there was a control deck that looped Nexus of Fate and five mana Teferi tucking itself infinitely and that was considered winconless.

[@JeguePerneta]

I used to play a turbo fog version of that deck, and yeah, the wincon was just waiting for your opponent to run out of cards on their library, fun times.

[@nekrataali]

Then there was the U/W/x Control decks from RTR Standard with Sphinx's Revelation and its only win condition was often Elixir of Immortality. God that format was fucking awful.

[@Megatron9000]

Decking is a valid win con defined within the game's rules. So not truly "a no wincon deck," but given the deck's construction, it's normal to see opponents concede when they recognize the checkmate. I don't think they'd run out of time first which is the funny thing.

[@makenshao9886]

Yeah, I was thinking, don't some quite competitive decks before have won with this game plan of just recurring a single card so you don't deck out before you do but would rather see you concede once they got a lock? I guess my thought is that for it to be truly winconless the opponent should be able to win if they somehow have the patience of clicking skip every turn to try and get you with the fact you probably drew a lot of cards with like the one ring or burden damage etc.

[@Megatron9000]

@@makenshao9886 Teferi Hero was used specifically that way by a few players, with his -3! It lets you play him then put him on top of your empty deck for the redraw. I think the only change the deck in the video needs to be truly wincon-less is the removal of that sort of effect lol (Academy Ruins I think was the only one). Of course that would make it worse!

[@hp5310]

LSV Jr. Lol if anyone remembers when he played a storm deck without the storm card. Tendrils I think.

[@EthanStreblow]

The moment I read this title I thought, "Oh. Full control."

[@pizzathehuttgaming]

Great video as always Harry

[@mikemoyer8162]

This is the magic that I'm sad we've lost. When I played at lgs's no one complained hard about land destruction or blood moon or repeated board wipes; lantern control existed, it was just part of the game. People get so whiney about that now. Bring old magic back!

[@nagsorinaste5658]

Yay 1.vintage 2. no wincon control 100% here for it xD

[@mikecampau438]

Playing control has been a deck type for like 20 years+. You literally just made 95% of casual control decks

[@chapmanandchapmanproductio974]

TURN ONE LOTUS!!!! Whaaaa whaaaa shaaananmmmaannnn

[@aappaapp6627]

Love the video idea! 😂😂

[@jaibell4835]

Aww damn academy ruins is a wincon, such a shame

[@MaxBeaulieu]

Reminds me of control mirrors in Ravnica standard.

[@davispo7550]

Timetwister over Academy Ruins for symmetrical looping and to ensure they never mill? Also fronts you as a storm deck to fake them into conceding

[@AlexanderQ689]

Academy ruins is a win condition I think. One of the most passive, as it's a "don't lose" condition, but it counts in my mind

[@animeandrice9664]

Alternative title winning with mental damage

[@Kavou]

Beautiful deck, win them both in game and irl.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

MTG played as Richard Garfield intended.

[@nekrataali]

Considering he made Shahrazad, Regrowth, and Timetwister, I'd say yes lmao

[@listeningtomusic7665]

This deck is eeeeevil. Sick.

[@gladvlad2755]

based malwarebytes cameo

[@yoursweatersux]

this is beautiful

[@calebross8174]

Awesome!

[@nosniboR_naI]

Nexus of fate pain

[@doomtomb3]

Great idea, well designed deck

[@shamwhoa]

this is how I build all my decks, the win condition is not losing

[@Source-br4bv]

Another banger

[@daltonbrasier5491]

If academy counts as a wincon, vintage isn't a real format.

[@noahwestman8133]

Pretty bold of you to put (Gameplay) in the title

[@brandons1891]

Looks like something my roommate would play

[@Entropy2352]

I did it, I finally joined the MTGO degeneracy. Starting with Penny Dreadful, but I'm coming for you all ! :)w

[@Jordansayegh10]

While it's not a real win condition, the deck you are basically playing is a stax/ hard control deck. The goal of that is to stop people from playing magic and make them concede.

[@dougnapier6441]

Academy ruins isn't a win con imo its just a way to prevent losing.

[@MrGertris]

What about the same idea, but your ,,Win Condition'' would be Divine Intervention?

[@MrSilk13642]

I want this deck, but in modern format.

[@davidlocke3477]

I say that the Ruins is a not-lose condition card. If your opponent doesn't have a way to refill their library or is only playing 60 cards, that's their problem not yours.

[@zym6687]

Exactly, you cant win the game by not losing, if your opponent happens to lose the game in the meantime that's not because of anything the Academy did.

[@XenithShadow]

That no different than saying a mill deck isnt a win condition. Considering the fact the game we see where he uses ruins to loop the opponent has seen his entire deck, academy ruins is a win con or the opponent wouldnt concede.

[@zym6687]

@@XenithShadow Big difference to a mill wincon is forcing your opponent out of cards. Academy is just stopping you from running out of cards and losing. It does nothing to force the opponent to run out of cards. An unanswered academy doesn't even do anything to accelerate the end of the game and cant even interact with the opponent. The win condition is the opponents deck construction and that's not part of your deck. The academy loops are not a win-con its a not-losing-con as doing the loop does nothing to bring your opponent closer to losing, only delays your own otherwise inevitable loss.

[@XenithShadow]

​@@zym6687 Just cause its such a bad win con the opponent conceded, doesn't stop it being a wincon. The ability to no longer deck out is a win condition. If the deck actually had no win con the opponent would have won, since a deck without win con's by definition cannot win unless the opponent concede. The opponent how ever did concede due to seeing the ruins loop.

[@tcsmagicbox]

Welcome to Magic hell. 😂

[@ΠερίανδροςΜεσολωράς]

The moment I realize I play these decks I immediately concede. You get your joy, I get to not waste my time on you and in that sense, we have both won.

[@25_Cats_in_a_Trenchcoat]

I played once for two hours in a bo1 ranked. I couldnt die and i milled him out one turn at a time.

[@chapmanandchapmanproductio974]

Yay!!!! In protest !!!!!

[@HazmanFTW]

Yes, Vintage storm plz

[@11epicnoob]

The wincon is making the opponent ragequit, lmao

[@wozman335]

Dobby got what he deserverd

[@thornealson2350]

Um akshually, you can win by targeting your opponent with ancestral recall when they have less than 3 cards in library

[@Matteo_Consiglio]

Day 25 of asking Harry to DECEIVE Modern with a Fungus/Saprolings deck

[@tigertailboss8970]

POGGGG

[@ToadboyVlogs]

Should have put in 1 storm crow

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

My kinda deck

[@thygamerguy]

there was not a win condition, only your opponent losing the game condition. in my eyes title was correct

[@joshhuffaker8490]

Can we see izzet scam or something with Magda brazen out law

[@clemensrisse6343]

What about adding 4x urzas saga here?

[@alucardlied]

can something like this be recreated in modern?

[@chadcload1349]

Doesnt count as a wincon your good

[@bobmahannah905]

Doesnt recall count as a win con to make your opponent draw out?

[@tonsofsodium6641]

Got here first? Nice.

[@CptManboobs]

Academy Ryins is a wincon o ly in the most abstract sense. Pro-everything from the ring is not a hard lock, you can get around it with lifeloss etc. Elixer of Immortality is not a wincon so this isn't either.

[@XenithShadow]

Win condition is lock opponent out of playing the game then loop artifacts until your opponent decks. Its a slow win con but still the opponent conceded specifically because they were going to be decked out in 35 turns. So the ruins ability to prevent harry from decking out is a win condition as the opponent would not have concede the game without the card.

[@adrianoamram2140]

Comment

[@chapmanandchapmanproductio974]

I didn’t want to see them

[@eldrazo6325]

Its not a childrens card game.

[@Ubiquitial1]

100% cheating. Academy Ruins is a legit win con. Used to be a core wincon in lantern decks.

[@Tymon0000]

xD

[@EmilRyb]

Day 2 of asking you to play mono red midrange in modern

[@chapmanandchapmanproductio974]

What

[@elifeldman7753]

I would say academy is more of a non-lose condition than a win condition

[@ThingsareLikeable]

I dont think its a wincon because its not the intended purpose just an unfortunate side effect

[@zym6687]

Academy does nothing to cause you to win the game just prevent you from losing the game, whether the opponent decks themselves in the meantime is irrelevant to its purpose of preventing you from losing, which at that point just call every card in the deck a wincon.

[@QuadmanSwe]

Yes you cheated according to your stipulation. No you did not cheat because decking your opponent by resetting your library more than them is the adequate amount of concession for a pure control deck to the corner case of your opponent not conceding. It is not about winning or losing, it is about putting your opponent on tilt.

[@Kurze-th8jw]

FIRST :)

[@TheGeekZeek]

What if you just tried to take infinite turns? I know you'd eventually time out, but maybe your opponent would 'time out first' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@davey_rulez7301]

so basically MTGA when Nexus of Fate was in standard