I Bought a 1968 Pontiac GTO for $20K and it’s FAKE!?! What Now??

[@RFRacing717]

So my knowledge is super limited. Let me know. Is this legit or a clone??

[@MrBobmanyo]

Not to be a know it all but the m1 garand is only ww2 and the m14 was first made in 1959, and the m16 on the shirt is a more modern version of the vietnam era m16….the pontiac is sweet btw

[@Motolympics]

Not an expert but I think you got a clone 😢

[@vanlifecarjunkies858]

It was built in farmington ma thats what the G in the vin is for 42 means gto

[@vanlifecarjunkies858]

37 mean coupe sport

[@vanlifecarjunkies858]

V8 is 100001 v6 is 600001

[@seanm.4653]

Good video, great content coming, stop with the click bait though, it’s not fake and your dad already knew it or he would not have spent 20k

[@Nobodycantake]

It is fake though. Clearly a lemans GTO convert.

[@davidutterberg4428]

this is my first time watching a video from RFR, and it is also the last time. Nobody likes clickbait

[@1967davethewave]

@@Nobodycantake The VIN is GTO only so what makes you think it is "clearly a LeMans convert?"

[@Nobodycantake]

@@davidutterberg4428 morons who think this is a real GTO. Look at the rear end and how many bolts it has

[@dustylover100]

This looks like an incomplete restoration.

[@triplej4043]

The title said this was fake...come on don't be click baiting...good looking GTO regardless.

[@905Alive]

exactly, this is just BS to get people to look at his ads and buy the garbage he sells and gets kickbacks from

[@scottbambam]

Seems accurate, annoying, I get people trying to make money off the net but not by misrepresenting or click baiting. I'm sure his dad knew before he shelled out the $ if it was real or not. More importantly who cares if you're only gonna butcher a Pontiac legend with incorrect parts etc. Ames Performance Engineering makes everything you need to make the Goat 🐐 New and you can find basically every part for a 68 🐐 and it's clearly a driver not a trailer queen with no original drive train, color etc. We had an old saying, back in High School in the late 80s, " paint it white and sell it" because it showed less waves, bondo and the like. Too bad I was hoping to see someone asking a legit question about real Pontiac info. I have had several GTOs and could be very helpful but that's not needed because a year has passed by and No updates on this car, and putting non Pontiac parts (drive train) is bad enough but truck parts. SMH Oh well, IMO I just wasted some time. 😅 he sure got lots of good info. To each their own I guess opinions are like A-holes and mine is as unimportant as theirs. All I have to say, THAT'S STRAIGHT FACTS IS, THE GOAT 🐐 RULES PONTIAC #1 THE ORIGINAL MUSCLECAR. NICE WHITE 68 DON'T RUIN IT. KEEP IT ALL PONTIAC AND MAYBE THROW A 400 428 0R 455 BLOCK, IN THAT CAR AND MAKE IT A KICK ASS STREET ROD LIKE HIS DAD HAD IN THE OLD," BACK IN THE DAY" PIC. RANT OVER...✌ BEST OF LUCK ON YOUR CHANNEL MAKE THAT CASH JUST PLEASE LEAVE THE GTO OUT.OF IT. NOT A HATER. ✌ 😮😂😂

[@stevenreynolds2327]

I Bought a 1968 Pontiac GTO for $20K and it's FAKE!!! Bobby, your "suck factor is exceeding your rev counter.

[@andrewpipitone1572]

? Why

[@stevenreynolds2327]

@@andrewpipitone1572 that was 8 months ago, I dont remember why...

[@classicreaction5340]

I'm pretty much a GTO expert. I've built a few from the ground up. If your VIN number starts with "242", you've got a real one. Regardless of whatever parts are on it. Here's a video of the last 68 GTO ragtop I built: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6LRkqCmo9-XaZI

[@keithlipford3205]

Should find a Pontiac 400. That is what it needs. Don't ruin, that car with a Chevy motor!

[@davidkay6241]

You lost me when you said 5.3 and talking about originality. Thats when i shut the video off. Good luck

[@melsh2657]

I’m damn sure it’s a real gto considering the vin starts with 242, great video as always and I’m excited for the project! THE GOAT!

[@angelo_giachetti]

All the info he needs is on and has been on the net for 20 years.

[@1967davethewave]

@@angelo_giachetti "on the net for 20 years"!!!! I got my GTO in 1983 and my dad and I checked the VIN using an article in "Used Car Price Guide". Every desirable muscle car has been cloned for many years and some are so much easier than others. Many people won't even buy a Shelby Mustang unless it is in the Shelby registry with documentation all the way back to it's original owner. I know that sounds a little extreme but with that pedigree it is very hard to fake one.

[@TOO_INTENSE]

Awesome Bobby!! I look forward to all the videos on this. Post EVERYTHING you do to it!!

[@RFRacing717]

Thanks for the support!!

[@TheWolfMatt]

VIN Code Decoded for 1968 Pontiac GTO. 242378 G 126790 2 = Pontiac Make 42 = GTO 37 = 2 door hardtop 8 = Model Year 1968 G = Assembly Plant "G" for Framingham, MA 126790 = This is the Sequential production numbers for this car. In this case, it's number 126,790 produced. Also, looking into "Classic Industries" car parts is a great place to start for these older cars. I have a 78 Firebird Formula T-Top that I have to hunt for parts as well, most of which I can find there. Good luck with the project car and have some fun with the old man, those should be great times spent as father and son.

[@RFRacing717]

Very cool. Wish I could see pictures of what she looked like coming off the line!

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Sounds like you have your mind set on the 5.3 you have readily available, but it would be cool to put the 6.0 from the 05-06 GTO with a manual

[@RFRacing717]

I see Pontiac engines on market place. Might be cool

[@w41duvernay]

GOOD, you will not have to worry about modifying it. I Would put a 428 with a cam and headers.

[@calvincrews3885]

There’s two identities code 42 is a GTO code 37 is LeMans or tempest

[@Amxracer]

Awesome purchase ! I wouldn’t be to worried not finding the correct parts, but yes if you can . With that being said your building a “Resto Mod “ with a updated drivetrain and making a fun, great looking and reliable real GTO . Will be a great series !! And also this is what the channel needed !

[@RFRacing717]

Appreciate the support!

[@mikebelcher5111]

If you don't want After market parts why would you want to LS swap it?

[@wlc1980]

The only thing fake is your video title, lol. Nice car!

[@edsonkidwell2522]

Where are the rivets plate was riveted

[@just_in_time5518]

The Goat!!!!!

[@Mikey-xw7yo]

I love it!!! That is my dream car. My dad had a white one with black interior. It was a 69 with hideaway headlights 400 bb auto. I loved the car as a kid. I knew it was awesome just not to what extent. Unfortunately dad sold his around 95 or 96. Sold it running and driving for 800 dollars. Cousin bought it and drove it home out of state! Maybe one day I'll own one myself.

[@cowboychevyschneider]

keep the great work man hope you have a great day

[@RFRacing717]

Thank you!

[@TheSlugger76]

Congrats to your dad have fun building it hopefully see it at a show in the burg

[@davidsanders4703]

Bobby the 5.3 will drop right in no problem there will be room to run ac and ps. Does the car have a ps rack? Ur gonna want power breaks as well

[@bobbymulwee7641]

Did you guys check for bondo in the quarters and rockers?

[@sloryderx]

I owned a 1968 GTO for 32 years. 242 vin # is a real GTO. My concern is your desire for OEM parts but your putting a chevy engine in it??? 🤮 Rubber endura front bumper is hard to find because they were horrible from the factory and never should have been used.

[@michaelfraher6375]

if it does not have 242 on the tag under the driver side under the hood it is not a gto

[@hennessyviper]

5.3 is so basic especially with a boring automatic

[@rogerstella458]

Please don’t put a 5.3 LS engine with an auto in it,! Do it RIGHT! Pontiac 400 with a 4 speed……PLEASE! PS. Tell Mike to put a solid axel in the Duramax….if not is still gonna be a WEAK IFS GM!

[@AlejandroGarcia-so1gk]

Where can i get that thick pad at? For the top of dash

[@barroncrist5779]

I'd look for a Pontiac 400 Ram Air III engine with a 400 auto transmission. Also, I'd make those two hood scoops functional. I always thought the bumper/taillights for the GTO were the same as the LeMans and Tempests.

[@wesdoobner7521]

These days the go to solution is to rebuild a garden variety 400 as a 455 with a stroker crank kit. Going for a RAIII would cost a lot more.

[@tomwinkle1597]

Don't be a creep and put a chevy motor in it. Be like putting a ford motor in a camero. Jmo

[@RFRacing717]

😂

[@sykwookiee]

Hey brother, I know that LS swaps are all the rage, but if that is a real GTO, you'll want to keep it Pontiac...I have nothing against making a car more reliable and all, but what makes you think that the original stuff is unreliable?

[@AQS521]

Nah the 5.3 would be way cooler and more unique.

[@mikebelcher5111]

Agreed man leave it Pontiac. 5.3 are far from unique or rare everything is a 5.3 swap these days

[@mattthemorningafter]

Needs a Pontiac 455

[@sykwookiee]

@@mattthemorningafter 400...the big blocks are the same block as the small block... some big blocks are too big for the gain in horsepower...

[@garyfleming4101]

@@sykwookiee no such thing as a big or small block Poncho

[@dustinallsup7610]

This is like the 4th click bait video from you

[@kentuckyboy1]

9:14 put in a modern-day motor inside of a car like that really isn't that hard as long as you have some engineering know how Holly Terminator / dominator will be your best friend.

[@Meme-rx7gs]

Hey Bobby what happened to the Yellowstone wrap on the 3500?

[@sullie35]

THE GOAT! What's the status of your build on the 242 68 GTO?

[@alexadams9644]

Where is local? What area are you from?

[@frenchiefrench8551]

GOAT-even like the white!

[@CaptainFALKEN]

I used to have a 68 GTO clone Le Mans. Cool car. I bought it knowing it wasn't a real GTO, just a few years ago. I don't have the car anymore, I could never afford a full restoration, but I could make it look nice and dumped all my money in it. Nothing is ever going to be perfect. I'm 25 and might sound like a boomer, but that's a clean, good looking car. Put it together and have some fun. Make some memories. I've had more fun and more "memories" in my Tacoma than any other vehicle for one. And it's just a truck. The only other car in the world for me is a '68 GTO. Enjoy it while you have it! Le Mans had an 11 in the vin. That thing is a GTO. Coolness meter is +1. You are eligible to wear your sunglasses at night and run over a mailbox and not have to say sorry.

[@superpug666]

Why bother with oem stuff if you're gonna ls swap it..

[@peteg7446]

Sweet new project for your pops 👍. The 🐐

[@28_babyshark]

Any updates on the Karen wrap on the hood of your car?

[@robertphillips6296]

A ruffed up Frankenstein GTO!

[@kyleyates5078]

Great video brother! Your to hard on yourself! Be more confident! You have no reason

[@dj1698]

Are your plans to keep it or flip it?

[@RFRacing717]

If it’s real then keep it!

[@1979Camaro]

*RFRacing* 20K for a 68 GTO clone isn't a bad buy for one in clean shape like that one!! Please look at it this way dude,you didn't spend more for it and that car being a tenpest by title isn't bad for that condition in present day!! Good shape clones cost between 12 to 20 grand easily,just a clone,numbers GTo's are to 30 and 40k now!!...You didn't make out bad,your main concern should be the interior,stick any motor and 350 or 400 transmission in it!! Go fron here man!! That's like the best year GTO is 68 and 70 i like!!

[@robsrcjourney970]

The G.O.A.T Great project for you and your Dad/Family.

[@justanobserver530]

I just finished restoration of my 65 GTO. Total price for sheet metal, engine rebuild, replacement of seat covers etc was over $60,000. You can not convince me that about 1/2 the 65 GTOs still in existence are not fake. I bought my 65 in 1980 for $500. Mine was the only 65 on the road for 20 mile radius at that time. It's impossible that there wasn't a reduction of them between then and say the 90s, with gas prices increasing, wrecks, junk yards crushing them for the high steel market etc. Today I know of 4 within the same radius and I see them at car shows nearly all the time. Years ago my brother and I searched and found quite a few "barn finds". Contrary to those youtube and TV shows, where they clean the car up and have it running in no time. 99.999% of those shows are 100% BS. Anyone who has actually restored a barn find will tell you that. Barn finds will have trashed interiors whether by rodents and or mildew. Engines, fuel lines, gas tank ,brakes etc. Can not sit for years apon years without going through and replacing nearly everything. Is your 68 a fake? More than likely but if the person you bought it from, or one of the previous owners, was careful swapping the serial numbers no one will know! How do I know this? I know someone who has restored muscle cars for 30 years. He's tried several times to buy my 65 before I restored it. He knew where I could scrap the body without the title or serial number. Low and behold he has restored 2 65 GTOs. No coincidence at all I'm sure. I'm also an old school restorer, if you're not even putting a Pontiac engine into it, let alone the original or period appropriate why do you care if it's real? It won't be a "real GTO when you're done anyway.

[@yourbestfreind777]

The goat is amazing. Love the muscle car content

[@DefinitelyNotYouThankGod]

The Goat 🐐

[@raymondtrotter4655]

Great find on the 1968 GTO.Was glad to see the vin 242 a legit GTO. I saw a video before yours on a 68 GTO for sale and he said that Pontiac produced 87,684 GTO's in 68. Hope that helps. Great idea on the 2019 5.3 engine. I have a 1968 Pontiac Tempest Custom Coupe I'm getting her back up after in storage 25yrs. All original specially ordered 350 instead of 326. I subscribed to follow on this one. Thanks, Truck Driver Ray ✝️

[@MrBobmanyo]

Good stuff…… but the M1 Garand didn’t exist until around 1936 way after ww1 ended and the m14 didn’t exist until 1959 way after ww2, sorry had to try clearing that up

[@MrBobmanyo]

@RFRacing also I think the m16 in the shirt isn’t the derivative that was used during vietnam similar though

[@14MTH4TwUrM]

does it say 242 on the vin

[@Gtostreetmissile]

I have a 5.3 ls in my 69 gto and can assure you its very doable but its a height thing with the oil pan. My oil pan is an 1/8th inch off the crossmember and my alternator rubs the hood. Plenty of room side to side for turbos though thats all that matters. Love the 5.3 thats my go to swap motor. Have one in my 54 buick as well and love it

[@ryan_torres]

Da Goat... Dude!! Stop doubting yourself about the views!!!

[@jrsoper6524]

FIX IT RIGHT OR DON'T BOTHER AT ALL

[@dontpokethebear4190]

I had a polar white 69 GTO with parchment interior before I bought it I taught myself to read a VIN tag. The Goat I eventually bought was mostly all stock except the heads. The Colour was originally aqua blue as well.

[@RichardSinkhorn_YT]

My favorite Pontiac GTO is the 1969 GTO judge convertible witch was only 108 of them ever made in 1969.

[@HistoricAxis5]

I sure hope it’s real! All the things that don’t fit are sus for sure but having a legit GOAT would be badass to say the least, I’m here for the 5.3 swap and I get it’d definitely be cheaper that way but an OEM engine would just make it whole again

[@RFRacing717]

Oem would be sick. Just hard to pass up a new Chevy engine just taking up space.

[@Razor223-c1p]

I had a 68. Bought it in 95 as a 19 years old kid that loved the stories my dad had about the 60smuscle Cars. It happened to be a one owner car. I street raced it for a couple years and that car on a street slick, Av Gas, ran a low 13. I remember everything about that car. I could help with identity if needed.. There are a couple places that the numbers are shifty. That hood tach isn’t factory. Another question? Why do you care? You’re putting in an entirely non stock running gear. Do you plan on totally restoring it?

[@thomasgregory8760]

Go with your Dad’s instincts during the gto project he’s been there and now comes a 2nd chance to do what he might have wished he’d done different . I like the white. My dad bought a new Lemans in 68. Have fun. God bless.

[@robertwright5487]

The 68 GTO had a chromed front bumper as standard equipment. The endura front bumper was a option that could also be opted with the hideaway headlights. Don't remember if the hideaway head light option was available with the chrome bumper.

[@banshman7651]

correction: GTO came standard with the endura bumper. you could opt for the "endura delete" which would give you a chrome bumper

[@backroom12]

Not a factory 12 bolt . And trim tag should start with 242 if it’s not been changed

[@Vetteman372]

Can't you look at the vin number on the firewall or somewhere in the engine compartment and decode it that should let you know it is fake? And how about the title? What does it say?

[@86lowrider]

Pull the dash pad look at the vin tag attachment. They are easy to swap vin tags on. Should be two tulip rivets holding the tag on under the dash pad.

[@rodneyatkinson3571]

Check the tag under the hood 242s what you're looking for for GTO I think you got a clone number 168 did not have the decals back there on the quarter fender

[@sammysmash5619]

Lemans or gto it's still a beaut! It's gorgeous in white! 😍

[@BoySheperd7640]

Have a W/T 68 400 with Muncie 4 speed if interested. Needs rebuild

[@JorgeRodriguez-bo6lf]

If your setting it up with a 5.3 motor why you worried about originallity

[@hydroy1]

Pontiac owners are very lucky. We can send off our VIN number to Pontiac Historical Services that can tell you just what THAT CAR was ordered with from the factory. What motor, what trans, what options as PHS is a Pontiac factory title company, not a fly by night outfit. I think they get 50 to 75 dollars to do a complete tracking of what YOUR car is and what all it came with from Pontiac. Also if interested, I have a 1970 Ram Air III 400 out of a Trans Am that is doing nothing but sitting in my shop. It is a YS stamping block that had a Automatic behind it.

[@michaelhamm6805]

The VIN is stamped on the firewall behind the heater box. Pull the heater box off...and you will see what you really have.

[@jerrycallo]

The hood is hacked, the bumpers don't fit, braced rear quarter. This car was slapped together on a budget. Other things look like they were done right. It's a mystery, but looks like someone was doing a high school kid modernization on it.

[@hennessyviper]

You paid 20k for a shell?

[@chasejones3456]

Not just a shell my guy. That's literally a super clean, rust free body from what I can see, clean rust free and coated frame rolling vehicle from 1968. Someone has already put the time, money and effort in to bring this thing back to life. 20k is pretty reasonable when you think about it, especially in today's classic car market with these harder to find, sought after classics. 🍻

[@hennessyviper]

@@chasejones3456 fair enough but I have to say the 69 is my favorite year

[@tomm9860]

Nice 68 GTO I had a 68 Lemans with a 400 in it, also 65 GTO 389-4 speed 3 duces. And a 66 GTO that i ended up buying a 1968 Firebird Formal 400 H.O engine at a junk yard with 60k complete with carb, starter, exhaust manifolds, and air cleaner for $250.00 back in 1972, now that brought the ls 66 to life. Much better engine then the 389. Wish i still had them. I would LOVE to see your (lucky dad) look hard for the Pontiac 400 motor. There plenty for the motors out there yes, with a hefty price, But Keep it PMD. old Vet Tom

[@user-cl6dz7tw4o]

Use a period correct Pontiac engine. They are rock solid and reliable. If you guys are going to build this car to be factory correct, use a Pontiac.

[@dtherres]

I have a 67 triple black gto that needs to be restored,I have had it for about 30 years,I been thinking of selling it,,let me know if you are interested in it

[@aaronhollingsworth6808]

And if you want to make sure it not a lemans body with a GTO vin swap you can go in the trunk on the drivers side there should be part of the vin number stamped on the rail where the trunk weather stripping goes.

[@zoefaith120]

The goat baby!!!!!

[@thebrasstack6523]

The GOAT! Love muscle car content!!

[@RFRacing717]

Glad you like it! Will be giving updates soon

[@torekristoffersen176]

Doesn’t matter whether it’s a clone or not- enjoy it! Just don’t try to sell it without disclosing what it truly is. Outside of selling it, enjoy it as if it is a real 242 GTO! It looks great and really doesn’t matter. So many modifications to these cars 50-60 years after they were made that it really doesn’t matter any more.

[@timerickson7056]

Good luck the rubber bumper was impossible to find 45years ago . Most were destroyed in accidents front end accidents . After market is the best you'll find but look into fixing what you have

[@robertironside3166]

So you take a 3 d printer and do a set of new Pontiac style badges that say LaGoat and carry on with all of the Gto appointments. I mean.. get a Cadillac motor from a rolled SUV and put two turbo chargers in it and have fun. Make it a LeGoat and enjoy ;-)

[@ghall5686]

🐐 can't wait to see the the build

[@thomasryan8218]

I have an LS3 in my 64 chevelle, best engine I've had in it and it was a very easy swap with all GM parts.

[@RFRacing717]

I sure hope it’s easy. 😂

[@thomasryan8218]

@@RFRacing717 I bought the ls3 and a 6speed from GM connect and cruise. Comes with all the electronics.

[@brettwarwick285]

Question...why do you even go on about originality when you planning on putting a Chevy motor in it? That alone is a good way ruin a Pontiac. So skip the notion of originality. Fix it drive move on.

[@peleger1]

That's darn close to exactly what I said!

[@vanlifecarjunkies858]

If you go resto mod dont use oem parts make aftermarket parts work

[@keithzatkalik5805]

According to liberals it identify s as a GTO so it must be real

[@coryraynor8393]

Like the goat I see all the classified ad and I will keep an eye out for you here in the south

[@123gprice]

Where's the follow up ?

[@rickykey1175]

Son you got a really good deal you. Are very blessed. With that car it's gorgeous.

[@paulgrimm]

If you don’t have matching numbers? Restomod it with a modern drive train.Leave the paint and body alone . Those factory runner front bumpers were a nightmare to get aligned property .Id go with a big LS.Youre thinking too much .Just enjoy it.My factory GTO had body gaps too

[@texasterror84]

Why why why would you use a 5.3L? Why would you go factory for the engine.... GO BIG or GO HOME!!!

[@puddleduckist]

First 3 numbers on a gto vin are 242. Unless they swapped the vin. Hope it turned out to be real. I have owned my 69 gto 32 yrs, built and bought in fremont ca, if the 7th letter is a Z it's built in fremont ca. Mine still has the black n yellow plates. I've got a 70 455 and th400 in mine with a 71 buick 8.5 rear with bolt in axles, just rebuilt it with a trutrac with 3.42 gears and moser 30 spline axles. I added a judge spoiler and an original hood tach as well, it's flame red with black interior. Hope the car turned out nice!

[@frankross5576]

Easy job excited to see it when finished. Dad has a 70 Tempest/ Gto clone and the pontiac enigine spun a bearing been trying to talk him into putting the lq4 in it.

[@sum12see]

Im restoring a Matching number 69 GTO at this very moment,in 08/04/24... Carousel Red,and $60k resto...Not a show queen,but a real driver!!Owner is 75 years old,and bought the car back in 1976..I kove rebuilding old muscle cars,no matter what breed,lol ..

[@richardernst8857]

I would love to have the rims and tires to go on my Z28 Camaro iv got to get some as soon as I can

[@rogerhankins6905]

Lesson i bought a 71 clone convertible with a 70 front end it doesn't matter as long as it looks cool I also made dies for cars for fifty years and can tell you many of times we sent parts without numbers it doesn't matter what other people think as long as you like it.

[@Eddieav10]

Only 3 hours left that's what I saw on the page when I got my stuff a few minutes ago. I really hope I win!!!

[@proudpennsylvaniaman7996]

My nieghbors has a couple gtos in his yard idk what kinda parts he has or anything but he's in pa. Aj's used auto parts

[@mugennick5209]

Who’s whining about the dually, sheesh. First world problems. I think they called the bumpers “dura bumpers”. Most of the aftermarket parts fit like 💩. GM had full electrical system swap kits for LS based engines maybe they have LT stuff now. Holley stepped up their game with in swap mounts and parts as well. I like how the seller was worried about the hood fitment. “It’s ok man it’s a project.” The GOAT. I’m excited for this one, I hope these vlogs get the views.

[@RFRacing717]

Thanks for the support man!

[@kennyrichard2971]

242 if that is in the beginning of the Vin number it’s a GTO there’s nothing wrong with a clone it’s a nice looking car check out Frank’s Pontiac parts they just put a running driving restorable GTO on the KZbin channel