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[@GregSalazar]

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[@Troglodytemtg]

I'm pretty sure I have this exact model in my pile of scrap PCs. Would you be interested in me sending you one if I have one?

[@dragos2010full1]

how about you try washing that motherboard from all that sticky dust and try again another yt aka tech yes city does this and sometimes the boards come back to life

[@typerightseesight]

I think the issue here is if you even buy generic food in a house with a dell computer. It will not boot. lol is that not a chiquita banana? error code. lol dole would be ok but its gotta at least have that name brand sticker. lol.

[@Erick726]

I have a small suggestion. Your channel isn't small by any means but I can never remember your name. Every other major tech tuber has a memorable name from Bitwit to Gamer's Nexus. Rebranding isn't something to be taken lightly but I suggest Tech Lazar (pronounced tech laser) if you ever wanted to use something other than your real name for your channel. Just a thought.

[@typerightseesight]

well think a way to write gregg is a form of shorthand. @@Erick726

[@patpatboy2]

This is a BTX motherboard, which is technically a standard form factor, rare as it may be.

[@curvingfyre6810]

oh, cool, I had no idea

[@Keullo-eFIN]

@@curvingfyre6810 That standard was hyped pretty much in the 2004s but after all it ended for practically OEM use only. And then it just quietly died.

[@Canleaf08]

Fujitsu also used to do mirrored mainboards in their Celsius line.

[@garethgobulcoque8668]

@@Keullo-eFIN It was hyped up because it was supposed to provide more air to the CPU cooler, which was needed because the Pentium 4s of the time ran ridiculously hot. It didn't really catch on though as Intel did release much more efficient and cooler running CPUs with the Core 2 Duo in 2006 and the extra CPU cooling was no longer needed.

[@Troppa17]

Yeah, probably one on the last prebuilds with BTX. I knew there were socket 1156 boards but never seen one in the wild. And I guess this is just dead.

[@Grommet2007]

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped buying Dell PCs and started building my own. Proprietary motherboards, proprietary power supplies (the connector looks standard, but the pinout is different), even proprietary fans (same thing - standard connector, different pinout). I'm on my second DIY build and very happy I chose to go that route.

[@coreyweaver1129]

Janky PC or not this is still fun to watch. Its still a learning experience for someone like me who is still a noob to all of this. Words cant explain how much i have learned from you in the short 6 months since I discovered you. I cant thank you enough for what you have taught me!!!

[@GregSalazar]

I appreciate the viewership!

[@user-wq8jy5hn2e]

as someone who has a very old pc cobbled together from old and recycled parts, it's great to see you working on these old computers and troubleshooting them. I definitely learn a lot from your videos and have recently been able to fix a thermal issue I had from learning with you :)

[@jonathanscherer8567]

Agreed. I too have a cobbled together computer with parts as old as 2009! It all works, somehow. But that's taken a lot of troubleshooting over the years, and you never know what one might need to know in the future!

[@EdnovStormbrewer]

14:18 Greg Salazar is right. There is a chip fried somewhere. Look at the left by the MOSFETs and the caps

[@yoLogann]

Man that chip is CRISPY

[@MCentral8086]

Yeah, unless it's a heap of dust, you can also see more evidence of debris around that area vs other parts of the board. So perhaps something's happened there.

[@mouzz]

That's dust

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

1:58. It's not a flipped motherboard. It's a BTX board. That is right side up. It's more than an inversion. Intel with their hot as HE Double Hockeysticks Pentium 4 figured changing the layout would bring more air to ever hotter future CPUs. Thank god BTX is no more. Now I can build retro PCs with Pentium 1 CPUs in Tempered Glass Unicorn Vomit cases!

[@GregSalazar]

I used "flipped" loosely here. Wouldn't make a big deal over flipped/inverted 😀

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

Haha. Wasn't sure! I think there is a generation of PC builders watching that have never seen it before.

[@SuperHeroJay]

Once I saw Vista sticker on the front, I knew there was very slim chance of it actually being a sandy bridge or ivy since those came out years after vista ( ivy bridge launched after vista stopped having support). The 3.6Ghz listed was also for the i5-660 too and not the i5-650

[@bjornskivids]

I think I was one of the 5% of people that didn't have a problem with Vista and actually liked it.

[@dogecode386]

Surprised it had a Vista sticker to be honest. This was probably one of the very last machines to ship with it, either that or whoever bought it specifically ordered it with Vista for whatever reason. Also the 1st gen Core i-series stickers look different than any later generations, so you can immediately pick them out based on that.

[@csl750]

Great couple of videos so far with these systems... Gives us an idea on what to look out for.. much appreciated Greg

[@GregSalazar]

Thanks for watching!

[@MarinosMysteries]

I love this series, especially the ones that don't work out like magic. Great job, keep up the great videos.

[@stevenbullock2159]

Keep this going awesome video I'll watch computer repair video any day of the week

[@zsuavee]

Love your videos Greg you have taught me so much its unbelievable. I really appreciate the hard work u put into your videos. Wish you and your family happiness and good health.

[@zx3rican69]

Digging these type of videos. Keep up the work brotha

[@whoframedthatguy]

I am loving these new series of you buying these kind of pcs. Love the content and keep it up!

[@johndouglas8846]

Thanks for another insiteful vid we can all learn from your troubleshooting skills. I have several old dell opti's that have been given to me over the years. I'm sure there is an old mobo out on the bay that'll get your system back to life. Fixing something this old with used parts would be a good lesson on repair, and you could give the pc away as a bonus to someone who likes older tech. A retro XP Gamer would be a good use for this system. Keep'm coming everyone is cheering for you...

[@SwampFox178]

Friday eve and Greg uploads. Couldn't get any better

[@Kundalini12]

I think you need an actual Dell PSU for this computer to work. I don't understand fully what happens in these systems but I think there is something in the Dell PSU that is required to power on the system. I have a SFF 980 which wouldn't work until I bought a Dell PSU from eBay.

[@MCentral8086]

13:36 - Scrutinizing the board's image, it looks like one of the three caps above the 24 pin power connector could be wrecked -- the one on the right.

[@LPgmxDan]

Seems kinda damaged with 3 holes or something

[@Lifty83]

Always love seeing you with the Seiko 5 sports with the orange dial. I have the GMT version and always have people asking about it. I also swapped out the bracelet for matching silicon strap. Just had to finally mention it lol. Love these cheap gamble PC videos too. Keep up the great work!

[@travisvaughn101]

I wish I could say I'm surprised by the no fix at the end. But I can say I'm surprised to see a 1st gen intel haha. Those things are going to end up in museums some day

[@barreraaj]

I'm always looking on ebay for "broken" pc's to try and fix them but I never pull the trigger on any of them 😂 lol. I enjoy watching you do these videos

[@shaneeslick]

Yeah much cheaper & less stressful wathcing Greg do it 😂

[@barreraaj]

@@shaneeslick 🤣

[@Yuriel1981]

Still a great video Greg. Sometimes its just out of our hands no matter how good we are at troubleshooting. Also a valuable and necessary lesson. And it was 40 bucks.... probably as much as i would have spent doing any other Saturday afternoon activity. And got to learn about a cool rare motherboard type.

[@rasmusvedel]

Still cool to see you trouble shoot a pc even if it doesn’t work out - still loads to teach us! Thank you, as always

[@meatsamples]

Great vid! My first office desktop was an amd phenom X 64 and it was also reversed on the inside when I finally opened it. At the time, I thought that Office Depot sold me a desktop that was not quality checked, but yes, these were put together upside down and I had an amd hd5770 asus formula 1gb gpu in there that was in the shape of a formula one race car. That was the best thing about it. LOL

[@WC2F-Miguel]

Yet another great video Thanks Greg! Learning more everyday

[@Joreel]

Sometimes you just get a system that cant be resuscitated and needs to be laid to rest. Love all the videos youve put out overbthe past few years 😋

[@MylasLove]

Man, that sucks we couldn't see and old system like that try its luck with new games...love the content, keep at it. I'm learning so much.

[@visuallyimpaired7931]

I really am enjoying your content. I am learning a lot and I am about to build my first pc. It's a little harder for me due to the fact that I'm legally blind. Watching your videos and learning everything I can from you has given me the confidence to give it a try. Thanks for all the great info you give to all of us.

[@HighestPraise]

A Blessed day, Greg. Hopefully, you can upload a laptop troubleshooting and repairs. Thank you! Blessings on your YT channel.

[@coltonstevens4790]

Always happy when greg uploads

[@geekmachine666]

The Windows Vista sticker was a big red light that pointed to the cpu being ancient.

[@Meganomaly3]

I have brought a few of these home from the e-waste bin at work and two had the same symptoms. I was able to get one of them to turn on and boot fine by shorting the green PS_ON wire on the 24 pin to ground. It will force the power supply to come on and either fry something or work if as in my case the fault was something in the power on circuit. Not exactly a solution but I got to make the system boot before sending it back to e-waste bin.

[@jamesfries821]

Hi Greg, Most likely a blown capacitor. Dell is notorious for those causing the issue on their MB.

[@bjornskivids]

The Optiplex line was known for capacitor rot

[@uberjedisniper]

I really like this series of cheap PC gambles. I'm glad you're including some flops in it because it truly is a gamble.

[@brianzimmerman1987]

Greg posting more content! It's another good day!

[@Error403Forbidden]

Those OEM parts is why I hate working on those prebuilts, id say laptops are my least favorite though. Cant even find the parts in a cost effective way alot of times. Great video!

[@oblivioustouch9012]

This is awesome. I can see this being great for learning to build a Pc.

[@BlackKnight813]

Greg you gave it your best shot at this one and a nice try to getting it too work.

[@faticecr3am]

I love the fact that I get to learn about older pc. This is stuff I have no knowledge about and it is fun to change up the content.

[@RyeOnHam]

I've got half a dozen of these working systems. The state sells them at the surplus store and I pick one up occasionally that's got decent specs. They've always worked. I think our state surplus division actually tests them.

[@Impactz]

Love the old system vids!

[@Orodreth888]

I once bought a prebuild which only turned on with a special power supply. You could hear a click when you booted it up. It had all standard connectors, but it would only shortly draw power, spin fans and then go out. Wanted to give it more power for a GPU, but no. Had to stick with a 50 series.

[@Miniputt_999]

Was quite happy to see the notification that you have posted a video :D Got myself a sandwich and a cold drink to enjoy this video :D Looking forward to the next one

[@CommanderBradAS]

I can hear Steve shaking his fist in the air, yelling "Dellllllll"

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Greg, After the other fixables it is sad this one is Dead, but this is why I stay away from these different from Standard ATX/M-ATX SI PCs, unless they are free I really don't want to deal with Proprietry Parts. As you showed here Firstly it can be frustratingly hard to diagnose faults, Secondly it's hard to find replacements as it is generally the same problem that kills the others in the line & 3rd that limited availability increases replacement part prices.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

Great video as usual!

[@bearpuf]

Hi Greg, I watched and enjoyed your video. I found it amazing that even though you knew what you most likely had in store for you wjhen you did it you did it anyway. I don't think that makes you a gluton for punishment but it certainly sends a message to the viewer. Thanks for your work. A terrific video.

[@rodmelendez9377]

Hi Greg, I've been supporting Dell PCs since before Windows. The 980 desktops are a weird edition in the Optiplex line. 980s along with the 780 USFF and very few of the 780 units introduced the new look that would become standard in the 390/790/990 series and beyond. The Optiplex 980 was positioned as higher end business targeted desktop. It offered more central management features and it was more expensive than the 780 desktops. The series was short-lived, and that role would eventually be assigned to the 990, 9010, and others through the years. As an example, the Optiplex generation just discontinued included the 3090/5090/7090 with the 7090 being the top offering. Back to the 980, as someone else mentioned, these models have a "reversed" BTX motherboard. The case and power supply are also unique to this unit and differ from the more common 780/990 series. Most people are unfamiliar with this particular series and based on the appearance, many think that they have a more modern unit. You could have a bought a similarly styled Optiplex (like a 7020 MT) and it would have an MTX motherboard and 4th or 5th gen CPU in it. In the last 30 years I've gone through more than 2000 Dell desktops. In all that time, I've only supported 4 or 5 of these. Since the main components like power supplies and motherboards were unique to these units, keeping spares on hand for them was a hassle and I took every opportunity to decommission and replace them with other more common (and newer) Optiplex models. Thank you for sharing your experiences I hope this helps. If you are looking for an even more rare Optiplex, just before the series was discontinued, very few 780 SFF units were made sporting the new "modern" look. In this case, since the eBay listing misstated the RAM on the unit, I would have used the "not as described" clause to get a refund. Best Regards, Rod

[@Halojeyy]

I never seen a front panel header like this and I can't figure it out to solve the problem , you fixed very well nice work

[@fattydaddytaddy]

Hey Gregg future reference ask sellers for serial numbers. Service tag in this case. This will give you a general idea of what is inside.

[@alejandrodanielsisco5996]

Great video Greg

[@kalisvarkrom9937]

I'm no PC guru like some of my friend seem to think. But I do work on them and build them from time to time. It could be a preset defect in the motherboard. It has been a few years back, but there was a mother board by Dell who's motherboard would stop working after a set amount of time. I do not remember just what motherboard it was now, to long back for me. Some one who was a friend brought me their PC. The on board Video stop working and they got a GPU for it, and it would still not work, and hoped I could help. I looked it up online, and even found a chat group where there was some people who had come across this same problem for that same motherboard. It would seem that for that particular motherboard there was at lest 12 that had the same problem. I'm not saying Dell done it on purpose. But it would seen that after so many hours of use, something on that motherboard would just up and stop working and there was no easy way to fix it. I do have the skills to replace parts on a motherboard, I do some work with some soldering work from time to time and even have a Degree in Electrical engineering. How ever at the time, I did not feel it was worth my time to remove and replace the part and fix it that way. I used the GPU he had in deferent PCs and it worked fine. Then even tried other GPUs I had at the time, and never could get it to work. Lucky for my friend at the time. I work on many PC back then, and had a mother board I could put in his case and used his hard wear for the rest, like his hard drives, CPU, RAM, even the GPU he had. He used it for a few years, tell he had me build him a new Gaming PC back in 2021, that he use's now.

[@blademasterzero5295]

Never been so early, and nice video! Gotta hate when it’s a motherboard issue!

[@emmetthorath4542]

great video. Learned alot. So weird beong inverted.

[@Hadisabetghadam]

Lovely Video Keep Move.

[@Danny_G_5]

Love the videos!

[@Thomahawk7209]

This series is entertaining. I actually just recently got an inspiron 3670 for cheap to tinker with. Replaced the PSU with the optiplex 365w from ebay, put in a better CPU cooler and a few 80mm fans, and put in an RTX 3050 (with a 6 to 8 pin adapter). It's actually pretty darn usable in 1080p for under $300.

[@thewickedtim]

this is a fun series

[@BowlingHeyday]

The motherboard is in Standby mode forever. I encountered a system like this. I eventually purchased a new motherboard and installed the memory chips, hard drive, and the CPU. It came to life as soon as button was pushed. Getting a unit “as is” would mostly be a donator unit.

[@qqqvid]

Great vid Greg : ) x

[@jayb2705]

You've had a lot of good luck with these old timer systems, so eventually one had to have a genuine issue. I was messing around with one of these 1st gen Core motherboards and I found it just as annoying as you did, but for me I was able to get it working with a CMOS battery replacement. It's actually an Intel branded motherboard with a Dr Debug LED! I think that would be quite a cool one to check out, and test that cpu you have left over from this video.

[@MysticDee]

How have I only just noticed you have Yugioh cards in your background? Love to see some of the old school cards getting some love.

[@Chilledoutredhead]

Well youve taught me one thing, that tamper button.. i wondered what that was on some of the dell systems in work.

[@gregarmstrong552]

I think it's sort of like a car battery. A fresh 2032 battery will usually show 3.3/3.28 volts. It needs replacing when it drops down to 3.0 volts. Car battery should show 13 volts when charged, 12 volts shows it's weak.

[@MrBeetsGaming]

Got a guy near me that gets stuff like this in bulk somehow, I bought an optiplex I think 780 that worked perfectly to use for a plex server for like $40.

[@MarcoGPUtuber]

I watched a Greg Salazar video and instantly felt entertained.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Thanks for your great videos as always,

[@aaronscrewface]

I've never seen a left-handed computer before, that's weird as fuck hahahahha

[@oOignignoktOo1]

BTX was super popular around the late pentium 4 / Pentium D days. Mostly because they were trying to find a way to replace the ATX form factor and because of how hot the later Pentium 4 and Pentium D chips ran they felt the BTX form factor at the time would be better for airflow to keep the cpu's cooled. BTX cases are a pain to work with because parts are super hard to find for them and you're raelly limited what you can do with them.

[@hennermais]

When buying used or broken stuff, which I do for a hobby, I have one rule: When it has a serial port on the motherboard, it is probably too old. If it even has a parallel port, it is way too old to bother

[@anonymousinc6330]

Attempted to revive / rebuild a similar system (Optiplex 4070) with an Athlon series chip. Same result, dead PC even with a PSU swap. Stripped it for parts, sold the processor and RAM for $20 and scrapped the rest.

[@freerangemtb]

I'll bet if you sent the board to Louis Rossman in NYC, he'd be able to find the bad chip. He and his team do hundreds of these low-level electronic repairs all the time. Maybe give it a try?

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

The little black button on the back of the PSU next to the LED light is a test button, but considering the LED was off, it probably wouldn’t have worked

[@LegitJoyRL]

New series shoyld be called Cheap Pc Discoveries CPCD. Wuddup Greg How are youuu!!!

[@dylanwahrheit872]

Omg had an optioned with this form factor I shaved off part of the heat sink to shove in my sapphire Radeon 7950 in good times and destroyed the case too.

[@snowdog993]

Greg, Dell always makes proprietary hardware. This means that even if you get a regular ATX power supply, it may not work because they make it so you have to use their power supplies. I experience your pain as you do this, but maybe, you should try the original power supply or a DELL power supply for it. Don't worry, I used to work for them years ago.

[@BlueScreenCorp]

As far as I remember dell power supplies have properitary wiring and even if replaced with a similar size and wattage they just won't work. In my computer lab in the 2000s plugging a non-dell supply into a Dell board would release the magic blue smoke. The board is probably fine you just need a working optiplex power supply

[@lacucaracha111111]

14:19 The VRM mosfet is SEVERLY dirty, would be cool if just cleaning it with lots of IPA fixed it XD

[@Stigmakso]

It was to be expected but a worthy effort none the less

[@thebig32K7]

My best guess would be that the chipset is dead. Also, I believe that those types of boards are called BTX mother/main boards.

[@ujwalkabadi6016]

Even have it till now but have the older version of that pc still works pretty fine

[@Pilaspilas911]

It's really hard to salvage Dell pc items... If it was any other pc, then swapping parts and/or salvaging usable parts would be easier

[@MrNside]

Ran into this exact same issue a few years back with a dell or hp. Assumed it was the PSU as no standby light turned on. Swapped the PSU, standby light but no boot. Swapped CPU and RAM, still nothing beyond standby. I assumed it was the MoBo and told the customer I could rip documents from their drive but thats about it. Fast forward a year or so after that, I tried using that same known working CPU I had swapped in to the computer a year back for troubleshooting. I was going to give someone an upgrade going from their i5 25xx to my i7 37xx ... Now my CPU didn't work. Learned a lesson that day. When a PSU goes out in a prebuilt and a new PSU doesn't fix it... Just stop... Do NOT throw parts at it unless they are disposable.

[@redwoolsocks]

Fun video!!

[@jimmahT]

Greg, the blue jumper beneath (above) the CMOS battery, is that clear CMOS and if so is it in the on position preventing the system from posting?

[@caphowdy666]

Prices must be way out of whack over there with over here in the UK. Bought a fully working PC with fresh install of W10 for £30 and free postage only a few months ago for my brother. Only thing that it doesn't seem to detect is the optical drive. Had a Gen 2 i3 on an ASUS motherboard & 500gb HDD ... worked absolutely fine.

[@ivochan4398]

Oh I saw your DeepCool cooler!!!!!!!! So happy I run ak400 with 2 lian li Uni fans ist beautiful!!!!!

[@josechu83]

One of coolest Spain-jersey ever! You sir have taste!

[@txvm]

Praying that I never have this issue with any of my computers. Looked like a real pain to deal with.

[@HugoLaStrange]

Amber led just means it gets power, nothing else, it works no matter what. I used to have a Dell and it was indestructible.

[@GregSalazar]

Yes, we discuss this a bit later in the video :-)

[@chubbysocks5650]

Buy a used HP 400/280 G1 MT PC, they use standard none proprietary parts, Haswell too. Maybe you can do a video on a case swap as well.

[@ccgert]

$40 is good investment for this video. I really enjoy the troubleshooting videos you do.

[@HonuManHi]

What brand/make/model is the portable monitor you use to plug into the machines you work on? I could not find it on your listing of studio gear.

[@slickblade1]

Do a stealth build in the case????

[@mfelipetc]

It isn't Fix or Flop without a Flop, right? :D

[@You-el4tm]

When I was coming around this, I saw an Ebay ad showing "Broken PC desktops for sale" 💀

[@Nikkerston]

That amber LED is probably just an indication that the board is recieving power since my optiplex 930 has one too and its alaways on when the PC has power connected

[@BSFJeebus]

Good ol' Dell BTX, that unlocked a core memory, oof.

[@BSFJeebus]

for anyone who isn't familiar, when the pentium 4s were getting so hot someone decided to modify the ATX form factor and moving the CPU to the front center of the case with a bigger hole to allow the coldest air in over the CPUs, Dell and other OEMs were the only ones to really adopt the standard for a few years but it never caught in custom building, then Core architecture came along and you had GPUs getting hot again around the nVidia 2x0 family if I remember (was socket 775 like 2006-7 when DDR3 was becoming a thing?)

[@jamesprendergast6183]

Greg, there are so many board level repair youtubers. surely you could buddy up with one of them to further investigate board level failures. Your audience would appreciate the deeper dive and the other youtuber would get content to make. These guys can re-flash BIOS (mounted or unmounted) reflow CPU socket or GPU Socket or RAM to test for dry joint failures.... or perhaps get help a local repairer get a channel started to work with you on this sort of stuff.

[@GregSalazar]

Like I discussed later in the video, the sheer labor/effort that would go into a board this old and cheap isn't worth it :-/

[@jamesprendergast6183]

@@GregSalazar True, I was thinking of maybe some of the more re-us able boards or GPU's you have replaced through fix and flop. Just food for thought.

[@mattyclad9185]

Maybe you can see if the one of many electronic fixer KZbinrs wouldn't mind taking a deep dive into this motherboard and find out what's wrong with it. Might be worth a shot 🤷‍♀ I'd be interested in finding out.