As someone that's dealt with a ton of these, I can share some more info about the RROD. It's not necessarily a bad solder joint between the motherboard and the GPU substrate, rather an issue with the bumps. The bumps are tiny solder balls that attach the die (the shiny part of the GPU) to the substrate. The heat and cool cycles eventually wore out the low quality bumps ATi was using at the time, breaking the join between the die and the substrate. Unfortunately, "reflowing" things does not permanently fix them. It will eventually RROD again as the GPU undergoes its heating and cooling cycles, eventually breaking the join between the bumps and the substrate. This does bring the console back for a short little while, but in my experience, they do fail again.
@grandtheftauto1233 Жыл бұрын
Correct Microsoft confirmed this themselves in their Xbox documentary
@fatbikearcticnomad21224 ай бұрын
So what do you recommend as a permanent fix besides replacing The GPU from another Xbox 360? Thanks bro 👍👍
@BelowAverageGaming4 ай бұрын
@fatbikearcticnomad2122 unfortunately that is the only permanent fix
@ErockOnTech2 жыл бұрын
What a fun idea for a video man! I love it! I love the Xbox 360. Definitely my favorite gaming era of all time. Great video! Glad you got it fixed!
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! this took up A LOT of my time compared to the other videos. I'm thinking i might RGH it next 🤔
@gray51752 жыл бұрын
Spoiler Alert ?!!
@colesyaj_tech8 ай бұрын
Good Thing that you're replacing the Bolts with Xclamps but it's not fixed. The E74 is caused by solder inside the GPU and reflows won't fix it. The GPU needs replacement
@othersam81902 жыл бұрын
I broke my ps3 repairing it, what a good video to come back to
@ploso222 жыл бұрын
i love videos like this, they are kinda relaxing. Great job with the xbox
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@grandtheftauto1233 Жыл бұрын
You have the Nidec fans there are the quietest version of the Xbox 360 fans, sunon are also quiet. The delta fans are most common and most noisy
@thundernugs9632 жыл бұрын
Awesome video dude. Super interesting stuff. Hope you make it big.
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🍻
@uncleleo67063 ай бұрын
Well, THAT is a rare dashboard! You rarely see the Metro NXE dashboard, it's mostly Blades, NXE or Metro, never Metro NXE or the early Metro dashboard!
@Phantastic_Otaku2 жыл бұрын
That’s a Gamestop Certified used Xbox 360. It has the fan mod and the x-clamps replaced by screws. Gamestop did that to bring console’s back to life temporarily to resell them for profit so the seller probably was being honest.
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know GameStop were the only ones that did that? That is pretty interesting information though I heard from a lot of people though that this could just be an issue with the GPU entirely and that the board will just keep dying. Hopefully not
@NSHG Жыл бұрын
@@BelowAverageGaming Jacob R also opened one of those. I seriously wonder if Gamestop was trying to bolt down T-34 steel instead of actually trying to bolt a heatsink down. I'm from Romania and own two Falcons, one being a plagued-GPU (late 07) and the other being a May 2008 unit. Even after a reflow, the late 07 unit didn't even need bolts. Just reflow, slap some high mw/K rated thermal paste, and it's gonna live another decade at best. This is my experience with almost anything that's got bump issues - I have Geforce 8400/8500/8600 video cards in both desktop and laptops - aside from one chip that was horribly abused (to the point it started turning a dark brown), all of the chips I have still work to this day. The key was just using a high mw/K rated thermal paste (MX4 worked best for me usually, and more recently MX6 too, which is a updated MX4) and tightening the heatsink as much as possible so there is maximum thermal interface contact. Among these, I can list some notorious candidates - HP DV6000 (the 8400M GS variant), DV9000 (8600M GS, both 256 and 512 flavours), Acer 7720 w/ 9500M GT (although I would say this one was due to cemented thermal paste, as the chip did seem to come from after they fixed the substrate) and the list could very well go on. TL;DR - a reflow will certainly not last forever, especially if it's a bump issue - but in the cases of bump issues, a proper thermal paste with good application can (most of the times in my experience) potentially maintain the chip alive for long periods of time. I would advise keeping an eye on thermals every now and then, but otherwise it's a good solution with YMMV results when you're on a tight budget. Anyone suggesting a chip replacement - try and justify the prices of both getting the chip and the labor required to get it installed. I'll be waiting.
@BelowAverageGaming Жыл бұрын
Well said, I actually purchased 3 more red ringed falcons not to long ago so that will be interesting So far the xbox from this video is still running well 👌
@LinkeFlink2 жыл бұрын
Opened up alot of these back in the day
@justingambino21862 жыл бұрын
Fun Video! just found my 360 thats been in the garage for idk over a decade lol so... I might have to reference this in the future.
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Does live still work on the 360? I'll go back and play some halo 3! Lol
@justingambino21862 жыл бұрын
@@BelowAverageGaming i doubt ahaha but it would be funny if it was
@Ryzobyte4 ай бұрын
@@justingambino2186 Live does still work on the 360
@CautionusJay2 жыл бұрын
The heatgun fix is a half assed fix. Time will only tell how long it will last. I know cuz I done it before and it lasted a week for me.
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Yeah from what I'm understanding, only installing a new GPU my perma fix this. Which for the price of the new GPU and the skill required to put one it makes it not worth it
@28_Spokes2 жыл бұрын
Great video, doesn’t seem like a hard job to fix up one of these. Biggest issue I would have is that update that failed. Good catch on finding that out. I love these system tear downs and fixings. I’ll watch pretty much anything you release, great content!
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 🍻 Yeah luckily I did it right on the first try with the system update, hopefully it doesn't RROD again!
@roninstormYT4 ай бұрын
dude did you know you can use the d pad too move in the menu this is why you get stick drift you use the left stick too move through the menu
@BelowAverageGaming4 ай бұрын
I still have my day one falcon Xbox 360 from back in the day. Sticks still don't have drift on the original controllers. Maybe I'm lucky.
@SmackedByJack2 жыл бұрын
Good job fixing the Xbox
@IMDYT4202 жыл бұрын
0:36. NOOO that’s not true. It’s a defect from the gpus solder bumps that are coming away from the board. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the hana chip. There is times the hana chip is bad but that’s not the main cause of E74. Also using a heatgun isn’t the proper way to fix it. You can reball but it won’t work permanently, the only really fix is to replace the gpu and then again you still don’t know if it’s gonna live long.
@BelowAverageGaming2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I said the same thing a little later in the video, might be worth just getting a new xbox