I Bought a GIGANTIC Two-Stroke Generator | 1944 Cleveland Diesel Recovery

[@mikejackman4416]

Scrappy and diesel creek great way to to spend Saturday morning coffee

[@jdthetrashman]

couldnt have said it any better

[@Brad_The_Truckie]

Agreed

[@stuartbatcheldor5978]

Absolutely! 😊

[@texasjetman]

And Sundays

[@jonny5714]

Tune/turbo that engine or upgrade it and that machine would be a beast. The hydraulics had no problem with it.

[@neilmorton1411]

Sam I am from the UK, and I find your channel really interesting and your knowledge transfer is excellent… thank. You for producing really great content.

[@jeffwxyz]

I have a crane operator's license and I strongly recommend that you get familiar with the load chart and the line pull rating of the winch on that crane. It is likely that it was overloaded for the number of wraps on the cable drum. It was a situation where you should have put the block on. Cranes can be severely damaged without warning and the cost to repair major damage can easily exceed the value of the crane.

[@54378100]

Guy's like you are the first ones to go, If you don't have knowledge and common sense then I would agree with everything you said

[@jjock3239]

I have loved the sound of the GM 2 stroke Diesels, since I heard them for the first time as a kid in the 50s, when I would ride from town to the lake, on a 1948 Flxible Clipper Bus. It belonged to a one man bus company, (I still remember his name), and he took loving care of that beauty.

[@billries7204]

that bus was made in loudonville ohio, about 15 miles from me

[@JohnBarra-mf6vd]

Carry decks are so handy.

[@phantomphixer679]

Thanx Sam for taking us along. I think your attitude is fantastic and you always have a smile. Impressive truck.

[@atlancon]

Poetic that 80 years later that generator is being unloaded by a machine of similar vintage.

[@Hellsong89]

Sure, but sadly in another 80 years, if they havent banned/destroyed those and private ownership of anything while at it, we will be off loading to scrapper year old modern crap, with these now 160 year old machines, cause nothing new will last longer, but its more likely all these are destroyed way before that so next generation does not even know what reliable means. I mean kids these days think car lasting 10 years is great utility life, while in my youth that was run in time and utility life expectation was 40 years. Thats much things have changed in 30 years, so in 2034 its likely its ok for car to last only a year and there wont be private car ownership since its being made impossible and with it countryside is emptied.

[@Dave-1277]

all these years Matt has been saying to "subscribe to scrappy industries!" and i finally did and couldnt be happier!

[@corydriver7634]

Sam is a cool dude for sure.

[@oceanmariner]

These generator sets were common when I was in the navy. Cruisers and destroyers had 2, one forward and one aft that were for emergency use or supplying power when there was no steam. They are reliable. You might find a manual on ebay or online. Many subs have these, too, and the museum subs may have the manual published online. Many WWII ships used 250 VDC power. Smaller ships didn't have any AC power.

[@MrDeancoote]

Hi , what would the 250 vdc power be used for on a war ship ?,, guess on subs for radar ? , smaller generators for charging batteries ?

[@oceanmariner]

@@MrDeancoote On many auxiliaries, tugs, minesweepers, small ships, everything ran on 250vDC. Where AC was needed they had motor generators. A 250VDC motor running a generator. There were several on a WWII destroyer. I'm not an electrician. I assume for radar and maybe some radios. A large tug I was on had 250VDC motors running refrigeration, pumps and ventilators, but a motor generator for radar. Patrol boats I ran during the Vietnam War used early inverters to power the radar. WWII subs were diesel electric. 4 diesels turned 4 DC generators that could be used to turn the propulsion motors or charge batteries. They could run at 20 knots if they weren't charging batteries. Or the power could be split anyway they wanted. But subs had to run on batteries submerged, so I suppose everything possible was DC.

[@jlo13800]

@@oceanmariner wow 250 VDC I thought that was only for arc furnaces

[@ischmidt]

@@MrDeancoote 250 volts DC is ideal for vacuum tube electronics of the sort that would've been common pre-1970s. In the US tube-operated radios and TVs often had the power supply double the line voltage and convert to DC for the main power rail of the unit. On a ship you could forego the entire power supply section and just run with it, aside from some way to limit the current for the 6.3 or 12.6 volt tube filaments.

[@nmccw3245]

I envy the little guy. His dad has the best toys! 😁😁👍👍

[@davidcolesr.8628]

I know it’s Old Money but That Yong Man Puts in the Work to keep f Maintain those Toys of Theirs.

[@RodSnocking350]

I worked for a while at a power plant that had 1940's designed generators. The generators had a permanent magnet pilot exciter at the end of the machinery train that produced the power needed to energize the main exciter, which then produced the power needed to excite the big generator. That may be the arrangement you have there.

[@michaelmalloy8755]

Hi Sam. That generator set was used as the emergency generator on WWII era destroyer escorts. There is an operational one on the USS Slater museum ship in Albany NY. The folks up there could probably be of some help. Good Luck.

[@jimmiles33]

We’d be happy to help! We have a second one, port and standby 3-268a aboard as well.

[@MRHSDM316SD18186]

WINTON diesels were also used in the Burlington Route "ZEPHYR passenger trains that had the SHOVELNOSE diesels.

[@stevea9604]

Red Mack looks good like a Mack should 👍🏻🤩

[@davidcolesr.8628]

With that Golden Bully on the Hood Too, You Got that Right Sir

[@tedgerstenslager2949]

Some smooth red paint there B.

[@dryroasted5599]

Definitely should have doubled up lines on the Terex. Even the 30B took a squat when she picked up that beast!😁

[@linmal2242]

That will power your house AND your farm shed!

[@Green-Mountainboy]

I am REALLY looking forward to watching you get into this engine.

[@LesleyBrown-d7e]

That red Mack truck looks cool!

[@rickcoleman8903]

I'm glad people care about the old machinery. I'm old, so i can relate.

[@2StrokeDriptroit]

Hi, Scrappy! 😋 these Cleveland diesels are indeed Clark cycle valve uni-flow 2 strokes like Detroits and EMD’s. The cycle, assuming a charge is burning and the piston is on the power stroke is as follows: as the piston decends, as it approaches the point where the intake ports are going to be uncovered, the 4 exhaust valves start to open and the still pressurized gasses statt to escape to the exhaus, which is called blow down, most of the spent gases escape, and the cylinder goes to atmosphere pressure. At this point the piston starts to open and slightly pressurized air from the blower starts charging the cylinder with fresh air, pushing out any stagnant spent gases, fully clearing the cylinder and this is actual scavenging. The crank passes the bottom dead center, and the piston starts back up, blower still scavenging the cylinder. As the piston closes the intake ports, the exhaust valves close, trapping the air, compression stroke takes place, near top dead center the injector injects atomized fuel, hot air ignites, after the top center is passed, the expansion (power) stroke takes place, and repeat. So the exhaust valves and intake portd need to be openen simultaneously in order to remove all spent gases and refill the cylinder with fresh air. It is actually the most efficient diesel cycle possubke. The overall design of all GM diesels is most likely from a design for a gasoline 2 stroke Elmore car engine fron the early 19-teens! This is a beautiful and insanely high quality engine, so PLEASE preserve her in running order! Basically a National Treasure! Cheers msn! I dig the channel! 😋👍🏻👌👌👌 MIIINNT!!

[@lasskinn474]

they could in (flawed old books)theory have high efficiency but in practice they're worse than turbo 4 stroke diesels. hence why they're not used anymore, the fuel costs outweight the benefits. vw 4 stroke pdi has almost 45% thermal efficiency, no detroit style 2 stroke diesel can get anywhere even close. the extra cycle doesn't lose much anything, but it does get more power from the down stroke than a 2 stroke diesel does and gets the cylinder filled without losing air that was compressed.

[@jlo13800]

@@lasskinn474 mart.cummins.com/imagelibrary/data/assetfiles/0058689.pdf

[@charlesvandergrift3126]

Hey Sam, mobile crane maintenance engineer and certified Manitowoc/Grove technician here. I would strongly recommend against using the crane and trailer combination because of the odd loading that it puts on the trailer and the trailer's ability to flex and lengthen the lifting radius. The trailer is meant to carry a certain load, and when you put a load at a radius on the crane, you risk overloading the legs or axles if you don't do the math, even if that load wouldn't overload the trailer by sitting on it. Essentially, the boom acts as a lever to multiply the force of the lifted load onto the trailer. And with the trailer flexing like that, you are increasing your lift radius if you do not compensate by raising the boom. As you probably know, increasing the radius causes you to have a lower capacity (generally) and that deflection will cause the load to swing out when it finally does come off the ground, worsening the condition. Additionally, the wood blocks are evidently not a strong enough pad. In short, cranes are meant to be set up on a firm and level surface, and I'm not sure the trailer really counts. I would highly recommend unloading the crane and setting up on good ground (with outrigger mats if necessary such as for soft ground) for future lifts.

[@charlesvandergrift3126]

Additionally, I see the wire rope spinning quite a bit on the swivel for the headache ball when you're lifting. I would verify that that rope is allowed to be used with a swivel, because some is not. The danger is if the rope unlays too much, it will overload the core of the rope. If it is not allowed, I would consider a different headache ball without a swivel, switch to a 2 part block, or consider rotation resistant rope, such as a 35x7 or a 4-strand rope. One word of warning with rotation resistant rope, it does not spool nearly as well as standard rope like a 6x36 and can misspool if you're not careful, especially on smaller drums.

[@Mike-01234]

Ground would be way too soft for those little wheels probably just get stuck. I suspect this is exactly how it was brough to that spot due to the soft grass. Unless could lift it with a large excavator probably too heavy. Sometimes have to work with what you have don't have the resources to go back to a yard pick up one of several cranes available to you might have at your employer.

[@charlesvandergrift3126]

@@Mike-01234 if it was too soft for the crane to drive on, I suspect it would have been too soft for the truck and it’s pizza cutter narrow tires, which was not the case. But you could be right. If you’re lifting with a crane on soft ground, you use large outrigger mats to spread the load.

[@richardred15]

He knows this 😊

[@seanpower773]

👏 Man that Terex is some mighty machine 👌

[@billtodd6509]

Boy does that Westinghouse electrical equipment for the Navy bring back memories. I hauled a lot of Westinghouse s nuclear equipment and machinery over to Newport News, Va when they were still in that business mfg it in Pittsburgh. Really appreciate your ability to work that equipment and entertain us viewers at the same time. Looks like you will be having a young helper soon, the way he is growing.

[@AJRestoration]

That is a massive engine and its a massive project! Dayum.

[@davidvictorsen]

Thanks for remembering your viewers in Australia with the temperature conversion Sam.👍

[@macg9940]

Thank you, Sam! Your diesel recovery and crane operations make my day. Greetings from Germany!

[@junkyardsearcher6407]

That 30B was happy to help 😊 What a heavy generator! Thanks for another wonderful start to my Saturday!

[@markwatkinson3]

Back winding!! As we called it in the 🇬🇧

[@roberthale8407]

268A engines are SUPER RARE don't let it go. EMD engines are fabricated plate welded blocks, Winton and Cleveland engines had cast blocks and individual cylinder heads if I remember correctly.

[@ScrappyIndustries]

So this one has a weldment block and individual heads on it. The heads are able to pass by the overhead camshaft. I think the weldment block is neat

[@FixAndForget]

Blocks were welded, cylinder heads are individual just like EMDs.

[@jlo13800]

@@FixAndForgetwelded billet steel blocks I like that

[@OleGramps53]

Now that's a great backup generator for the farm Sam

[@NutsNBolts24]

Definitely had the T Rex grunting 😅

[@jamesdearman814]

no wonder she wouldn't move - she done took root! always fun with scrappy inds.

[@StuffBobbyDoes]

These inline 268-A's came in 3, 4, 6, and 8 cylinder variants. This particular unit served as an in-port generator for various ships. Worked on a lot of 278-A Clevelands.

[@jlo13800]

Sweep in a twin turbo duramax for more power

[@StuffBobbyDoes]

@@jlo13800 Hahaha. Wouldn't last two seconds.

[@jlo13800]

@@StuffBobbyDoes yep throwaway 4 joke stroke junk. It can make 1100 hp above 6000 rpm. The EMD, Fairbanks Morse and Cleveland are billet steel plate welded structures made of 4340 alloy. It’s carbon steel with a touch of MO , Cr and Ni. Now take 2 850 Rotax Etec to make an OP 1700 Rotax for the new skidoo MXZ to lay down in it

[@StuffBobbyDoes]

@@jlo13800 Personally, I liked the all stainless steel, aluminum, and bronze Clevelands.

[@jlo13800]

@ hell yeah and all copper lines to a stainless tank filler with castor 927 maxima 2 stroke oil, dry sump oil injection!

[@davidlegault9745]

Great video Sam, thanks for taking us along for the ride.

[@MRHSDM316SD18186]

Electro Motive Division/EMD became EMD in 1939 when GM bought Electro Motive Company/ EMC. All GM did was they changed the Company to "Division". EMD built the 567, 645, the 710, and the failure 265 "H Block" in the SD90MAC's. A little trivia for you; look inside the rack on a Detroit Diesel & look in the rack on a 567, 645 and a 710 diesel engine. You will notice the "parent company" design. Detroit Diesel may be owned by GM, but they are a stand alone company.

[@haganquillen8852]

Love the little horn tooter!!

[@jimprice1959]

I believe the small generator on the end is a Westinghouse "Rotatrol." It is used to provide the field excitation for the DC exciter. It is part of the voltage regulation control. General Electric had a similar unit that was called an amplidyne. All of this was used in the days before the development of solid state rectifiers and voltage control.

[@kenpecora7526]

I held my breath thru most of this episode!!

[@robswank5209]

From my experience, they use a 440V DC voltage on most Uncle Sam type boats, then convert it as needed to lower voltages, for different areas on the ship, as needed. Thats what makes these type of people really good for Telco data centers, where they use a base DC voltage throught the facility, then convert it down when needed, etc. Take care, looks like a lot of fun. Thanks.

[@young11984]

Buddy had an OLD International road truck and he loved that raggedy thing, he was cold natured and would be cold at 70* but that old International had an electric heater that was blowing hot in 10-15 seconds after the truck started

[@TomLow-gf8pb]

Hay Sam! Just a comment, I was a millwright, and was told by an engineer that the ( eye) bolt on the electric motor is only rated for the weight of the motor. I think you overloaded it. Glad it went well. I enjoy your channel. Sincerely, Tom

[@bryceredman7143]

I’m not a full blown millwright but I do a ton of pump work I’ve seen people try and pick up Hpumps by the motor lifting eyes yeah that’s fun to have to tell someone they may have caused damage by doing that lol

[@MichaelDebalski-mk6bt]

Your right that eyebolt is for changing the motor out not lifting the entire unit.

[@judo77422]

Tom low your right. The eye bolt is designed to only lift the motor.

[@Trlthericklang]

Im from Cleveland, the original building is still around and in use. Funny enough when GM stopped making engines there. They converted it into a Terex factory😂

[@corydriver7634]

Serious?

[@kenc1800]

That is so cool to know!

[@johnmcwilliams9493]

That is one badass Superliner!!!

[@wickum_4725]

Cant wait for the video of tinkering on it to get it going! Gonna be a super Awesome video

[@waitemc]

That Mack is one hot truck

[@ChrisMartin-ry6yj]

Sam, I was freaking out watching you attempt to pick that generator up. I was balled up and had my teeth clinched. That was CRAZY!!

[@Lloyd973]

A tender I was stationed on had GM 12V 268 and GM 16 V 268 gen sets. All were air start. Everything wound up tight the old girl would almost make 12 knots. Lol

[@sydneymcconnaughhay5947]

Thanks Sam you and your family are Awesome.

[@sydneymcconnaughhay5947]

Sam,,,that's an amazing Truck ,I could watch you driving it all day...

[@justinfufun5483]

3 to 1 on the 30B and 1 to 1 on the Terex. Load was anchored to the ground adding at least a ton. Plus you were not on a static platform so every lift you increased to load by effectively lowering your boom by tilting over. Then you also have a problem with an anti drop valve or pressure spring or some sort of load control brake not working properly. It almost stalls rolling the wire with no load at all. All in all Terex for the win.

[@jarretpeart2833]

Definitely a little sketchy loading! Good job!

[@davidesmond1955]

Poor Terex, and such thin lifting chains, happy it actually worked though!

[@Mercmad]

The Winton company came up with a two stroke design which evolved into the EMD and Small Detroit two strokes . A friend of mine has a Winton car built in the late 1800's which is still very drive able today 😊

[@jlo13800]

Fairbanks Morse should work with Arctic Cat on how to make an OP 1716! This would be based on 2 858 engines and some how lay it down in the Riot sleds.

[@frankharrod4464]

Good to see the super dog again Sam!

[@lenmorgan1755]

That IH track loader was made as a toy by Nylint in the late 1950s, I have the toy and a real sales brochure from IH.

[@carl27890]

I’m sure the King of Obsolete would love to add those tds to his yard collection 😉

[@Tiger351]

The 120 VDC gen was likely for ship lighting, pretty common voltage for rail car and ship lighting back in those days.

[@marionwagaman8353]

Waited almost two weeks to see Matt and your shows You should be very proud you have a beautiful home! Glad to see the super dawg!

[@opendstudio7141]

TREX is the right arm you never knew you needed. 👍 That old generator .. 🤔

[@The-Deadbolt-Deputy]

I love how you kinda built your own compact boom truck with this terex on the trailer. I remember how amazing it was when you guys were removing the blade off a monster size dozer and having a remote for it was extra handy ! Scrappy has done it again !

[@stuartbatcheldor5978]

That little Terex certainly has been earning its keep Sam. I had my doubts about it being able to lift such a heavy appliance. Well done I say! 😊

[@stevesalvage1089]

Super , great filming Sam , can't wait for next episode,

[@Lawrence1203-f7s]

Your crane reminds me of our 40 ton P&H (Pawling and Harnishfieger) crawler crane we had in Vietnam. It worked great for a while until the fuel pump went out. We replaced the whole engine with a CAT because there were no parts. A drunk GI fragged it one night. As far as I know it is still on the beach on what used to be the DMZ

[@taurota1554]

Awesome and outstanding content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along.

[@tehpanda64]

can't wait for the part 2

[@RodgerMudd]

We had one on the tug I was crew member of. Once it dropped a valve and we had to replace piston and head. Was a strong runner with high hours.

[@jlo13800]

Turbo it as the welded steel block is 4340 back in the day! Tensile strength of 225,000 more than 2 times 7068 billet aluminum

[@Brad.whatthe]

Ha ha no Cat’s here, their still out working, love it 👍

[@ralmonrode]

Sam you are bring back lots of memories for me. I have not been at Fort Allen for at least 12 years took me a few times starting and stopping your video for me to recognize the buildings. They had garden tractor plow day that year we had lots of fun my 1965 Cub Cadet 100 hated plowing their waxy clay soil hills. FYI - I think your Terex could use a small turbo lifting something as heavy as that generator. From what I could see in your video that generator would have been in a Navy ship those gauges gave it away for me seen that style guage many times while I served aboard USS Kirk (FF-1087)

[@highdesertworkshop]

Back in the early 60s the owner and I installed one of those in a hospital for auxillery power, I dug the footings, tied the re-bar and we rolled it in on steel bars with a winch truck we borrowed . It was massive and heavy but we got it. Quit that job before it was running so I will be interested in the next vidio.

[@garymessina1609]

Looks like an old switcher engine and generator great video thanks Sam

[@donnal.oglesby4806]

Morning, Sam. Always look forward to the weekends, cause I can view new videos with coffee in hand, from both you and Matt [ Desiel Creek ]. Makes my weekends better🙂.

[@waitemc]

FIpper hinge on your trailer will snap in half have a secondary one on hand. The one that breaks is 100 fixable with proper grinding and 100%welds dont let no one tell ya anything diff. Ive fixed dozens and dozens of times. The welded ones last longer. Goes against what some think but property welded ones last. But the factory one will let ya down exactly when you don't need it to.

[@patrickwilliams6774]

You and Matt are great to watch. I think it's great bringing back to life old equipment.

[@robertwest3093]

This video currently has twice the number of views as the channel has subscribers. Why isn’t everyone subscribing?? I’m surprised that this channel hasn’t blown up yet. You have awesome content my friend!

[@leolarocque-v5v]

Thanks for Taking us alone Sam , love the video .

[@anthonycrumb9810]

Love your content Sam. Always upbeat and excited to do your projects. I learn allot watching you work.

[@joerodrigues3816]

Great video as always mate thanks again and have a great day too you all

[@richardthomas1743]

HEY! Good morning Sam and thumbs UP!!

[@4051a]

Nice find I hope you can get her running. I would love to hear how it sounds. Labor Day weekend in Edgerton Wi we will have a lot of Cat equipment running with many cranes and shovels, including Mike and John Ferguson's 41 B Bucyrus steam dragline. If you remember Alan Smith (a friend of your grandfather), a lot of his collection ended up in our club possession. We would love to see you there.

[@bleepsblops]

Sam, what a beautiful morning to be rescuing a historical piece of machinery!

[@cadewey6181]

Lots of history with these engine types: the 567 and 71 series Detroit Diesel engines were designed by Charles Kettering’s ( head of Delco and inventor of the starter) son. The 567 was used in locomotives and WWII LST’s used for Normandy landings and throughout the war.

[@jeffreygilchrist1330]

I’m thinking this is the heaviest load the Trex has ever lifted and it handled it manfully,great content love the channel

[@woolybuck]

That Mack is one good looking truck. Love the color. Cheers....

[@wildscotsman1]

You always bring a smile to my face Sam, "I don't know much about this thing" you say and then tell us everything we would ever need to know 😁 You are a mine of information.

[@robertwest3093]

This engine reminds me of a diesel train engine. It’s wild that they can weld together a bunch of steel plates and make a diesel engine that is extremely durable. ~400 ish psi of cranking compression in a diesel engine is no joke!

[@jlo13800]

Imagine the boost welded plate 2 stroke could take!

[@jlo13800]

Welder steel blocks are the strongest engine structure there is! Cast iron and billet aluminum good for light weight that’s about it.

[@3cl1]

Enjoying a coffee and a thunderstorm watching you rescue this beast. The Terex wasn't very happy lifting that.

[@douro20]

Allis-Chalmers even built nuclear reactors, one of the most notable being the LaCrosse Boiling Water Reactor, one of the first commercial BWR plants and the first nuclear reactor to be owned by an energy cooperative.

[@jlo13800]

Oh those nuclear fusion Polaris 900’s of 2005 to 2007 the 2006 was the best one!

[@wwfeatherston]

Double header morning- Scrappy Industries and Diesel Creek!

[@asimplehorseman4648]

Well that was a fun little adventure!! Thanks for sharing.

[@jayarmitage9609]

I have to say your family owns really nice equipment. Qualify and well maintained.

[@allensharlow7763]

Wow Sam, now that’s an engine, lol, I didn’t think the Terex was gonna lift it! But you got it , and now it’s home. Can’t wait to see it run again, great job Sammy👌👌😎😎🙏🙏🍮🍮

[@comedyash]

First time watching came over from Diesel Creek. Love your Mack Super-Liner could listen to that E9 V8 all day! Excited for the 'Will it start' on this beast of a generator.

[@craigmclean8260]

Very cool find! Hope you get this one running; there's only one other YT video of a 3-268 running, in Great Britain; they salvaged it from a telephone exchange...Hatch & Kirk in Seattle may have parts for this...

[@craigmclean8260]

...just found this clip of a 3-268 running, aboard the USS Slater: kzbin.infoKYjbDbfRGqU

[@CP49]

Hey Scrappy! That looks like the generator we had on our ship. If so you have to prelube before starting and it probably has an air start mechanism on there somewhere! 250psi will turn it over.

[@SpookyDeCat]

Dad had a Cleveland motorcycle back in the mis 60's. I don't know if the companies were related. I can find very little information about the bike, it was a inline 4 cylinder. The crank was inline with the frame, front to back.

[@littlejason99]

LOL... What a great find, can't wait to see it run!

[@ChristopherFerguson-v8s]

Three cylinder genset and 8 cylinder mains. Sounds like the Navy training craft I was stationed on: 2-71 0r 3-71 gensets and 6-71 twinpacks or V12-71 mains. The 1940's and 1950's ship had both AC and DC power. DC was often used on capstans and winches for easy reversing.

[@craigdutton6072]

I was getting rite into the truck a trailer 😂✊that’s a great low loader trailer pulled with a mean looking red mack 🥇✊

[@JasonSmith-vd1sz]

I know I said it once before, but I’ll say it again that’s one beautiful Mack superliner!

[@frankmayer559]

I love to see you using the TEREX, since I saw, what modifications you made and I think it’s awesome that it’s used quite often. I wish I had a „project“ I would be so happy to use so often.

[@michaelvanvleet998]

Your terex just earned it's keep......forever. I'm surprised you didn't use the block, it would have made a difference.