I Bought an AMD GPU for More Freedom

I finally got an AMD card for a better Linux experience.
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[@RealCyberCrime]

It’s not a free country until I can download more RAM

[@dr-deep8353]

9p protocol

[@markm0000]

You can technically download a SSD with Ramdisk lol.

[@MentalOutlaw]

just use cloud storage as swap space

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

Would you download a car?

[@EmuEmuchu]

Freedom

[@jokroast6912]

PROUD OF YOU! I am about to get myself a Radeon RX 6000 series high end card myself. Good for you man!

[@MentalOutlaw]

I was tempted to get one of those, I might do a high end AMD card in the future if I can pair it with a ryzen CPU optimized for it.

[@MrTheinfoman]

@@MentalOutlaw Sadly that AMD mess up the new 7000 gpu since the performance was meh plus the amd gpu being overheating

[@izcoatpv]

Saw a 6850 XT for cheap, I was very tempted to go for it

[@kaptain1477]

@@MentalOutlaw 5800x3D and 6900xt for gaming

[@fiethsing9988]

@@MrTheinfoman AMD needs months to ramp up their releases, give it half a year and let's see what happens.

[@knghtbrd]

The RX 580 is quite a useful GPU if you're not doing a whole lot of modern gaming on Linux-I actually gave up a GTX 980 for it some years ago (pre-pandemic) and was QUITE glad I did so, even though the 980 was technically a faster card. It was so worth it to have Linux be far more stable and have video stuff actually just work the way it's supposed to. Since the games I play don't require anything newer, I kept that GPU throughout the pandemic and only upgraded it last year when it was clear the RX 580 couldn't drive my new monitor's higher resolution effectively. I won't be going back to any card from nvidia so long as proprietary bullshit is required to use the card.

[@Luke357]

I used to use a 980 and a 1650S both were faster than the 580 except in Linux using DXVK then the 580 was noticibly faster than the 980 and on par with the 1650S. Probably due to the fact that the 16 series of cards has good Vulkan optimization while the 900 series has OK but not great Vulkan optimization while the 580 has very good Vulkan optimization.

[@RealMephres]

@@Luke357 AMD's drivers are universally more optimized for Vulkan and Vulkan-based APIs (NixGL or the one from the guys that made Gamemode are good examples for that), while they are starting to become better in regards to utilizing OpenGL now, too. AMD's drivers also are quite a fair bit smaller, thus less redundant code and possibly regression of performance is less frequent than with NVIDIA.

[@NewLondonMarshall]

I still have a gtx 970, I am looking to either upgrade to a 4070 or an rx 6800 xt. Not sure which yet!

[@pankoza2]

Because you know what Linus Torvalds once said about NVidia

[@ruthlessadmin]

Can confirm. I got a 6900XT earlier this (edit: last) year and I am very pleased with its performance, other than ray tracing, which is already bad in Windows and way worse in Linux so far. Other than that, it has been stable across multiple distros for me.

[@spicynoodle7419]

RT is still a meme. Almost no games have it and Devs are already abandoning it because it's extra work (Nvidia promised RT would make development easier)

[@Winnetou17]

@@spicynoodle7419 Not sure if copium or trolling. Devs are not abandoning RT, though you can say that the adoption rate is still rather slow. But unlike things like PhysX, it won't disappear. Soon all AAA that care about a graphics score will have RT. On the indie scene it will be probably completely missing for many years, except things made with Unreal Engine with Lumen. Probably Unity will have something like that too in not-so-distant future, if it doesn't already have (didn't check)

[@TheSuperBoyProject]

Earlier this year? So yesterday?

[@freevbucks8019]

Did you know that opengl is 50% faster on linux?

[@zeroskill.]

i have random 80% frame loss on the same card and no clue as to why if anyone can share their experiences?

[@metroided34]

Went from 1070 to an RX 6600 and im having a god damn blast, getting RTX 3060 TI performance for less than half of the price. Haven't had any of the famous driver issues, im so glad i went red after all this years.

[@thomasb1521]

As someone who has built multiple AMD pcs since mid 2020, the driver issues are basically gone now. The only issues you get is with performance on newer cards.

[@aladdin8623]

The RX 6600 beats a GTX 1080 by only consuming half the electric power of the latter. The RX 6600 is one of the most efficient cards for gamers. The fans are quite due to very low heatput even under load.

[@williamjames9211]

I personally own an RX580 8GB and I love it. It’s a great card and I drive 3 monitors at high frame rates and high resolutions and even do gaming on it and it handles every task so well for the money! Congrats on your purchase

[@System-zu7np]

I've been using an AMD 290x over 5 years, that baby still works fine, gaming included. I am temporarily swapping to a 1060 atm because i got it from family and am really looking forward going back to amd asap. But at least now i got Vulkan support :,) Congratulations on coming to the blessed AMD side of things.

[@godsena_]

AMD all the way, made the switch recently myself from nvidia + intel (i5 4th gen + gtx970) to full AMD (5800x + 6900xt) and the performance increase is insane. Dont really care much for Ray tracing since i cant really tell the difference and only a handful of titles support it. AMD cards were just generally cheaper too.

[@themightywhatever4884]

Performance increase is obvious if you're upgrading from 8 years old hardware to fairly recent one. Good on you though, my i7 8700k is 5 years old now I can feel it in almost every game.

[@godsena_]

@@themightywhatever4884 yeah was a big leap generationally but my old specs still ran pretty well for moderate work loads. In all honesty though most systems after 6th gen nowadays run very similarly for day to day desktop tasks (browsing, text editing, etc.) provided they are using a M2 SSD and bonus for a lightweight distro. Or at least i cant tell much of a difference. Really only major increase i see are being able to run more tasks at once and increased FPS/graphics quality in games

[@kjererrt7804]

i envy you in a good way

[@dunhill919]

I had an AMD card before (7 years ago) and the software experience was terrible which made me switch to a 2060 super. I hope AMD is as reliable now

[@robertkeaney9905]

AMD CPU's are getting cheaper to. I recently got an 5900x on sale for 235 dollars. And the thread count jump from rendering on my 4 thread dual core laptop to rendering on a proper rig with 12 cores, that was absolutely game changing. The difference between sitting on something for hours to having a similar task done in 20 to 30 minutes. The time you save on Rendering with modern hardware is absolutely unbelievable. I still remember trying to do graphic design work on my grandmothers' computer. Where it took 1 minute per frame to render something out. fucking incredible it is

[@TVAwesomeParodys]

Switched to using an AMD card before the end of 2022 and it is just a much better experience than using a NVIDIA card for me, especially when using Wayland. When I used a NVIDIA card, I didn’t want to use Wayland on it because the experience wouldn’t be as good as an AMD card, which meant I had to give up mixed refresh rates on two monitors and I had to only use one monitor to play games in 144hz. Now with Wayland on an AMD card, I don’t have to switch to X11 and use only one monitor to just play games in 144hz.

[@relt_]

Bro got a graphics card on new year

[@TVAwesomeParodys]

@@relt_ - Sorry about that, I didn’t mean to word my comment like that. I didn’t actually get a graphics card on New Year’s. I just got confused since it was the start of a new year. I’ll edit my comment and fix that.

[@TrickyNekro]

Good on you! Unfortunately there are some of us that are locked in some ecosystems because of some simulators. But hey, if you can afford it, AMD seems a much more reasonable choice right now.

[@Demopans5990]

Yeah, basically a lot of toolchains have easy CUDA support, and what cards have CUDA?....

[@Woodywoodah]

Same. I got a 6800XT and Ryzen 5950X in a new rig a little while back because I wanted it to work well with Linux, and I wanted to support hardware vendors who embrace open source. I recently purchased a Steam Deck with similar motivations. Vote with your dollars! I'm running Arch too btw!

[@ftwproject658]

What a timely video. I have just came to the same conclusion after a solid week of late night troubleshooting the 4090 on linux distros. I'm getting an AMD GPU. Thx!

[@geeshta]

I was honestly surprised when you presented your build a while back you were using Nvidia in the first place. Congratulations on switching!

[@grhmhome]

I have a RX 6750 XT. When I used to have a Nvidia card, I had lots of issues on Linux and was limited to proprietary drivers. Using AMD gpu's on Linux is a great choice. I thought I was locked out from using AI software like stable diffusion, but it works with my card.

[@surfsuptofino]

welcome to the club! recently got an rx 570 for a decent price, (canadian gpu market moment) and i can't wait to use it in conjunction with linux.

[@Amfneey]

I've been thinking about trying an AMD Card myself. I really like NVidia, I have currently a 3080 12gb, but I feel like I could get much better bang for the buck with an AMD card. I was able to get that 12gb 3080 for about $800 USD plus tax, so about $860, and that wasn't a bad deal, since back when GPU's were still bad, 3080's, even 3070's were going for over $1000. Even though it's a Gigabyte model, which I've heard people have mixed feelings about Gigabyte GPU's, it's worked pretty well for me, and seems to get decent temps. GPU's just need to drop in price already, but I don't see it happening. I see them only getting more and more expensive. Great video, Outlaw. Happy New Year!

[@victor133xx]

I was using a RX 580 before I recently got my RTX 3070 Ti card, could handle any game, and usually on medium-high graphics. Really awesome card. Hope you enjoy it. C:

[@youraveragemetalhead226]

The RX 580 is just such a solid GPU for a tight budget

[@realcartoongirl]

Victor i am so Honey your profile picture

[@victor133xx]

@Kanyewestisfree Yea, that was one of the deciding issues. I had also been researching and found that AMD's FSR generally isn't as good as Nvidia's DLSS yet. Hopefully in the future when I get a new GPU it will be. Also RTX cards were cheaper at the time by a bunch, and for more performance. Don't get me wrong, I like AMD as a company more than NVIDIA. I'm even using a AMD processor currently.

[@kjererrt7804]

@@youraveragemetalhead226 it used to be a high-end card back in 2016. time flies.

[@Winnetou17]

@@orlfman It's true, though NVidia started to open source their drivers, though only the ones for RTX 3000 or 2000 onwards. If they truly continue that path, he might be enjoying good, open source drivers for his 3070 Ti. Though it's been a bit silent on that front, I wouldn't bet on it happening. But can certainly hope so.

[@ForGamezCZ]

good for you man I'm hoping to get AMD someday myself too

[@Fractal_32]

Depending on the AMD card you want you can find them cheap on eBay or Amazon.

[@angryman9333]

Its easy to get but ebay doesnt ship to middle east

[@tallskinnygeek]

When you're searching the lspci output, you can pipe it to less and use the search feature, or slap a context flag (-C or -A could work) on that grep

[@foreveruknown4899]

I personally last month upgraded from a RX580 XFX 8GB that I had for about 5 years to a RX6700XT XFX, the RX580 is pretty impressive by all means, still capable of playing any modern game, albeit its age is starting to show with games like Snowrunner running on Low and Forza Horizon 5 running on Med-High. Past that overclocking can usually get pretty far with the card aswell.

[@p5eudo883]

Welcome to the team. I had always gotten nVidia cards (EVGA specifically), and chose to switch to AMD and get a 6900XT for my last build. I'm a Linux gamer. AMD is the way to go.

[@gaurav1231928]

Hello m8, I know this comment is quite old but would appreciate a little insight into your experience gaming on Linux :) thanks

[@p5eudo883]

@@gaurav1231928 I'm very happy with it. There are definitely some frustrating moments. Gamers who have no patience will find it difficult or intolerable to switch. Some games are just off the table. If you're someone who is against Microsoft's shady behavior and increasing tendency to act like they have more rights to your computer than you do, it's probably worth making the switch. I find most gamers are pretty spineless and will bend over backwards to excuse Microsoft's actions if it means they get their fix with whatever games they're into. That sometimes turns into Windows gamers making snide remarks on forums when discussing bugs or issues with the Linux version of games. If you take pride in standing against injustices, Linux gaming is the way to go. Especially if you enjoy solving problems and having the choice to customize your system in all sorts of ways. I personally recommend AMD video cards for this, as the open-source drivers are FAR better than the default Nouveau drivers for nVidia cards, due to AMD actually cooperating with the open source community. nVidia's proprietary drivers are available and do work well most of the time. But I had some massive headaches dealing with them in the past. With Wayland, the desktop experience is great. Smooth window movement without tearing that sometimes is an issue on Xorg. Xorg may be necessary if you want to use OBS, though. But at a high refresh rate (144hz or more) the screen tearing while moving windows isn't very noticeable. Protondb is a great place to check for compatibility with Windows-only games. I've got a few of them that I play often. Due to devs mostly testing on Windows systems, there are cases where a Windows version of a game running with Proton will perform better than the native Linux version. ARK is a great example of that. I'm not sure if their Linux version even works anymore. It was horrible last I tried it. Anyway, I say give it a shot. If you're looking to commit long-term, be prepared for the occasional hiccup and need to solve problems. But knowing you're one of the few gamers who is taking a stand and showing some backbone is far more rewarding than playing some title that only runs on Windows, IMO.

[@Kaknes22]

I recently re-installed my PC. Going from Windows 10 to EndeavourOS. I am running 1080ti currently and it pretty much worked out of the box. Very happy with the distro so far and I am glad I switched to it :) I primarily play games and Proton is just cracked. Runs every game I have played so far either runs the game 1:1 or very close it. I have had some hiccups while learning it but very fun so far :)

[@Skelterbane69]

Endeavour sure is nice (except for the rolling releases, but that's a personal thing anyway)

[@Gunzy83]

I've been using Linux on the desktop at home and for work for the last decade (brief foray into windows for the occasional game). Glad to see how far AMD has come, it was not always this rosey. When I switched I had a Radeon card and the experience was so terrible I sold the card and got a GTX 660 which with a little tweaking worked well for a long time. My current water-cooled 1080Ti has been nothing but fantastic under Solus and Manjaro though admittedly I have not tried Wayland yet. I think my next card will be AMD based on all the good stuff I am hearing.

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

I bought a 6700xt after the crypto crash, and I'm never looking back! The ability to install any distro I want, and not having to solve screen tearing and driver issues for hours, is absolutely magical. You install and it just works!

[@ENNEN420]

It's about time. Welcome to the ascended redchad club. Also lets be honest here, being able to run wayland just fine isn't really a perk, its just that pre-order bonus keychain you lost years ago and forget you even had until you find it 5 years later while cleaning.

[@bradleyblexrude1482]

You do get access to the other 512 megs of vram on the gtx 970, but it was way way slower.

[@Haelikor]

Didn't expect to see my card pop up in this. lol Been using it for several years. Plan on upgrading sometime this year but it's done me good.

[@lucasew]

My main concern with amd cards is about CUDA, or in this case HIP I use blender and some ml stuff and nvidia still has much better support for this kind of software.

[@ChicoDaChina]

blender is working with amd atm to optimize they said it will be in a release 6-18 months from some time ago

[@asplmn]

I sincerely hope ROCm gets mainstream adoption. CUDA is a mess, but is a necessary evil for HPC.

[@Whalester]

I agree, CUDA is way better in that field. I have used lots of software and and even some blender add-ons that only run on CUDA. Also MAYA only renders on CUDA

[@Home_Rich]

This.

[@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX]

As a 3D guy myself, I just ended up using windows with Nvidia, it just ended up saving me mayor headaches in the long run, its the price to pay sadly. Still im going to build a secondary Linux system with my 6800XT that I have, but my win10 RTX3090 will be my daily driver for that

[@Your_Degenerate]

I recently went the opposite route going from an RX 550 to a GTX 1060 3GB. The main reason being to utilize software that requires Cuda. There have been some hickups on the Linux side but so far not too bad. AMD GPUs are certainly a smoother experience out of the box though for general use.

[@violetasiii]

fuck yeah, glad you've joined the right side :^) I got a Ryzen 5 2600 and an RX 5700 XT 8GB, it's a solid setup and I've not ran into any issues with it. I used to have a GT 1030, which meant I either stuck with glibc based distros, or I used nouveau, which was unusable slow with the card (it couldn't handle an X compositor without noticeable visual lag). now that I've joined the red team, I've got more power and the freedom to use whichever distro I like. got to say, gaming on Alpine with steam in a flatpak almost seems faster than it does on Ubuntu.

[@algovoice]

I love your channel. You are amazing.

[@davidmalkowski7850]

On the topic of AMD GPUs, I really hope Thunderbolt 5 becomes a solid interface. PCIE 4.0 x4 speeds would be perfect for the RX 6500XT. It could be a fantastic eGPU enclosure!

[@akosv96]

I'm hoping USB 4 goes more mainstream as it has thunderbolt speeds without the intel proprietary bullshit.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

When I first hopped into Linux over a year ago I immediately chose an AMD 6000 series card after realizing that it has a FOSS driver out of the box. I didn't have to do much of a thing at all. Now VAAPI is kinda wonky with AMD cause I think it usually relies on AMDGPUPro, but tbh... the workarounds with lib setups are better than handing your GPU handling over to the company...

[@AshnSilvercorp]

@pogodemon that's exactly the workaround I use to get GPU recording done.

[@spicynoodle7419]

Try ROCm

[@mendoxx097]

can it be called FOSS if it has some proprietary blobs? just asking, n00b here.

[@AshnSilvercorp]

@@mendoxx097 depends on what you need done. Are you looking for purism to achieve perfect security based on what you do? Or are you an average schmo who plays steam games? If you do the latter a few blobs that aren't the absolute core of dependencies rarely matter to you.

[@dokichokei]

​@mendoxx097 those blobs run on the GPU itself, so its not really a concern from a security/paranoia standpoint.

[@BeOnlyChaos]

Welcome to team red! For the grep command, you can use the -A 10 to show 10 lines of context after the match

[@13thravenpurple94]

Great video THank you

[@notuxnobux]

opencl only works with the proprietary driver though lol and the most important things in amd are implemented in the proprietary firmware

[@salt6556]

Just got the same gpu about a week ago, so much better than my GTX 660TI

[@eclipse2445]

nice, I’m the local wayland gremlin myself, wayland wouldn’t even start on my old nvidia system, but I’m on the red team now, the performance is great. I’d suggest you give dwl a try, basically dwm but for wayland

[@michalroesler]

cool content Kenny. Thank you.

[@project5799]

FYI you won't be able to run a full linux libre distro with an AMD GPU, it requires some binary blobs that are not included, you may be able to get the framebuffer rendering working on newer not yet released kernels (6.2+), and you might still get away with using the linux libre kernel only as it should be able to load blobs from userspace.

[@anonl5877]

If it runs Tensorflow and Pytorch well, that would be a huge factor for some developers.

[@Shuroii]

It does but with a fat asterisk, it takes more tinkering and doesn't always work quite as well but it works most of the time

[@someoneelse4811]

​@@Shuroii And if your card is too old, like the RX 580 shown that runs on the Polaris architecture, getting those to run at all is a huge pain. In my case, impossible.

[@chrisphoenix115]

Such videos get people understand the main point 🎉 respect

[@abritabroadinthephilippines]

Love the ThinkPad 👍 RX 5600 XT Mech OC user here. 🥂

[@SolTheCleric]

Make sure that it doesn't have a modded vbios (especially if this comes from a mining rig). Miners usually flash them with a custom one and, if you don't flash the original vbios back, you might get worse performance and instability under load.

[@xxslaysminecraftxx1094]

deviously based

[@LiamNajor]

970 is 3.5 x gddr5 and .5 x gddr3 (IIRC). Nice to see someone else who knows what they need. I have a Clevo P870tm-s "laptop" with an i7 8700, 32gb, and a gtx 1080. I got it for $750 6 months ago.

[@Cyanid3Child]

Just picked up a 7900 xt myself after a few years of green team. I'm definitely happy with it.

[@pawouapproval984]

i was previously using an AMD WX3200 that only had 4GB of VRAM, and swapped it out for a RX 6600 XT and it just worked out of box since i already had the correct AMD drivers installed. was a great feeling to add an upgrade to my machine without any tinkering!

[@preflex3502]

I've been using a RX 470 since 1 Jan 2019. Polaris GPUs are generally pretty sweet (avoid the RX 590. Everything else is great). Coming from an NVidia card, all of my driver headaches instantly vanished. No more pang of fear on kernel updates, triggering anxiety about whether SDDM would actually start after reboot or if I'd need to drop to a TTY and manually reinstall the driver. I don't even have DKMS installed anymore!

[@kingeling]

Ming explaining why one should avoid the 590? I think it was quite a good die shrink.

[@preflex3502]

@@kingeling I tried several 590s from different vendors, and they all had severe overheating problems. Some were only good for a few minutes, none lasted more than half an hour before throttling down.

[@santos8735]

It would be nice if you did a desk set up. Even if it is simple or bland it's still nice to look at.

[@sgtwisky]

as someone with an RX580 I can say, it punches way above its weight class to this day. Got me one back when Vega came out and wasn't amazing. Been gaming on it ever since. Though it is starting to show its age. Been looking into some other used options like the RX 5700xt that is not too expensive on ebay atm. EDIT: and for the last 18 months or so Ive been using my RX 580 to game on Linux with a pretty high success rate on getting windows games working. Though millage on non Linux games may vary.

[@blank-mq8ef]

Man I've been using Linux for the past 2 years and I've been using an rx580 for the past 3 years, honestly even for gaming the card is amazing. The only thing I really need to upgrade is my ryzen 5 1600x

[@blank-mq8ef]

Also fucks sake 80 bucks? Irish second hand market best i found that for a few months ago while looking to upgrade my bros pc was 350

[@blank-mq8ef]

@@anon-means-anon I'm prob gonna go to another ryzen 5, but money tight, especially after Christmas

[@TheJackiMonster]

Also something many people miss out is the ability to switch Vulkan or OpenGL drivers during runtime with AMD gpus. You can start an application with any preferred driver of choice for the graphics API its using (in case of most games: Vulkan). That means you can look at benchmarks and pick the best choice depending on performance or when using a newer graphics card, it might matter to get access to certain features. (There is a whole entry in the Arch wiki about it.) Besides being useful for getting the best performance in games, you can make use of this as a graphics developer as well. Because testing your own code with multiple different drivers is extremely easy. Another addition is that the open-source validation layers for Vulkan are actually reliable in comparison with using Nvidia's proprietary drivers. So to make sure an application works properly across different graphics hardware and drivers, it's much better to use RADV with an AMD gpu. I've encountered multiple occurences when I could pinpoint a bug in API usage which an Nvidia driver simply ignored despite actual specification violations in the my code (before applying the fix). Those reasons (especially the last one) are enough for me to not even being interested in Nvidia gpus anymore until we have an open-source driver for them being comparable. Because I'm not interested in not being able to properly debug my code.

[@duffelo]

I am also using Linux for decades and always had a Nvidia GPU. Really not a gamer so I never really thinked about differences. But also I always had issues with Wayland and overall GPU driver related stuff. Since the middle of 2022 I have bought a RX570 with 8GB and using the free amdgpu driver I have absolutely zero problems. Wayland is working absolutely great, no stutters no issues, GPU acceleration for Vulkan, OpenGL and Vaapi works as it should. It was by far the best upgrade I did for my machine! Don't forget to activate Above 4G Decoding in your BIOS!

[@chevicus]

actually decent card. Happy new year man!

[@j.k.4479]

Happy new year @MentalOutlaw congrats on the upgrade!

[@grievetan]

amd gpus are great when you need additional heating source for your room 🔥🔥🔥

[@MentalOutlaw]

I should run it in a single loop water cooling system with the 3970x, the water might get hot enough to make ramen.

[@illusionithink5976]

LITERALLY BEEN DOING THAT LMFAO

[@garfreld]

40 series power consumption:

[@grievetan]

@@garfreld 40 series are still new and mostly untested graphic cards. RTX 3060 is a beast for example though. And never goes hotter than +60 Celsius. For me AMD is great when it comes for CPU'S only.

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

And it's 2015

[@chloe-sunshine7]

My 6700XT has so many problems on Windows, but on Linux it works perfectly. I thought that was really odd as with my old 1060, it was completely the opposite

[@jinxedpenguin]

I think most of them have been fixed. Had to move back to Windows (outside of a VM) for a few things and now I'm not having issues with my GPU (6600XT) -- originally the GPU would cause an issue with Windows (crash on sleeping or screen being turned off, seemingly due to wonky AMD settings) granted, I swapped my motherboard recently -- so that could have been part of the issue. IDK what mobo you have but I had an MSI motherboard and I switched to an Asus board (which is much better imo)

[@flintfrommother3gaming]

The only issue that still persists to this day is the fullscreen functionality in like... every Radeon card. I haven't had a single grpahics driver issue except the unfathomably common fullscreen crashes. Games literally crash or atleast freeze for 10-15 seconds when I Alt + Tab or use the Windows Key and change to another application. 6600 gigabyye

[@erogaki]

I've been running my 6600 non xt for a while, and it absolutely shreds everything on linux at 2k. Good work mate!

[@elarmino6590]

The native compatibility that Linux has is absurd, Windows gave me a lot of headaches

[@erogaki]

@@elarmino6590 I resorted to the Nimez drivers on Windows, and while I absolutely loved them as they resolved majority of my freesync issues, I was still getting some severe display blackouts

[@nerdinspace.]

been loving my rx 580 ever since i built a pc back in 2019, one of the best price to performance cards and polaris still kicks ass after 6 years

[@Splarkszter]

Yeah, i started to want to mainly use linux due to all the spooky things Microsoft does. Quite a bit late maybe but is never late for security. I was fine with windows 10 because i used some debloating tools, but one of my tipping points was how they are aggressively pushing 'Chromium InternetExplorer' A.K.A. Edge; also my mental health will be better the sooner i get off windows. I'm having some problems about the distros, i didn't like PoP OS, on Arch based distros there is too much of a hassle to install some apps that i normally use. Right now my Mint liveusb is being set up and i'm going to see what's up.

[@Fractal_32]

Linux Mint is a great choice, hopefully you enjoy it. :) I would suggest Arch Linux if you’re trying any Arch based distribution purely because a manual Arch installation has you make all the choices on what you want your system will look like and what it’s use case is. Arch Linux is a little bit more advanced/hands on than an already setup distribution but it’s very rewarding once it is setup/configured.

[@ThisIsTheBestAnime]

I recently chose OpenSUSE Tumbleweed as my first daily driver distro, and my experience has been very positive, especially as the kind of user that enjoys having options and understanding what's going on. Program installation with YaST is quite easy and comfortable & alternative installation methods are available too. You can also configure almost everything by GUI if you want to, which helps to soften the learning curve. Btrfs as default file system manager makes rolling back configuration problems really easy too through auto-generated snapshots.

[@Splarkszter]

Managed to install Mint, i like the aesthetic and the feel of it, very responsive and classy. Tho i need to use QtScrcpy and i'm having a problem about libQt5X11Extras.so.5 Not found. No idea how to solve it, been trying stuff without success.

[@Heshamelfakharani]

@@Splarkszter try installing it with apt-get without "so.5"

[@jessecato8681]

Check out Zorin 16, super polished Ubunfu-based OS

[@Shepherd_HL]

I had two AMD GPU's in the past and they were alright - but after about 4 years, both would start to break down. My screen would always go black, followed by the audio cutting out soon after. Ultimately the computer would be unresponsive. I could never tell you exactly why, since the error would rarely be caught by AMD's Radeon Software, but the error messages (when they actually appeared) would consist of driver issues. I would ask on forums, and some said maybe it was the Ultra Low Power setting, and one guy just said "stuck in my old NVIDIA card and everything was fine". I'm not dogging on AMD - they're infinitely more competent than NVIDIA in terms of business, and WAY more reasonable in pricing - but I don't know if I should go the AMD route this time around (at least in GPU's). I hope you don't experience the same kinds of issues I did.

[@el-naturale]

I've got a 5700xt and a 6700xt. Only issues ive had with my rigs were not relating to gpu. I also far, far prefer adrenaline/radeon, over gefore/nvidia control panel. It has great ingame toggling, gameplay and clip recording, radeon chill is quite good, easy fps caps etc etc. I was a little on the fence about the whole 'amd driver issue' thing when I got my 5700xt, but I've been laughing ever since, not a single problem with either of my amd cards, and I really prefer the software. For what you spend, you won't really notice if your on an amd or nvidia card while enjoying a game, but the software control panel, radeon is handy, nvidia not so much. I can't speak for other uses of graphics cards but thats been my personal experience gaming man, hope that helps

[@jakegarrett8109]

May want to throw whatever PSU you had into the garbage... That's the only thing I can think of that would damage one that fast is a bad power source. Even with a lot of brownouts and power flickering, I haven't even been able to destroy an AMD GPU yet (my first one I sort of did, I cracked the BGA solder from thermal contraction fatigue cycles because I was running it at -60c every day in my daily machine, and solder really isn't made for that extreme cold as a daily machine...), yeah that card actually still works, I was going to show how to reflow it but it ran fine a year later when I was going to make a video guide on the repair. Didn't even artifact or slow its overclock all the way up to 130c (unplugged the fan and ran Furmark with like a 30% overclock for 15 minutes, the thing could have boiled water on its heatsink but it still wasn't crashing!), its ready for LN2 runs with insulation on it whenever I decide to finish it off, but I just haven't been able to break one (and I've got another with voltage bypass control on its circuit, however I broke the Firestrike world record without it for it in the crossfire category). I like to run 4x Xfire, setups, so I've got a decent amount of AMD GPUs, lol! And I like to break the records for fun, so they are pretty durable.

[@MarktheRude]

Hardware quality control-wise AMD's GPU-branch seems to drop the ball rather often unfortunately.

[@VexJinks]

@@el-naturale Nvidia control panel has better options than AMD settings, tbh.

[@el-naturale]

@@VexJinkswhich ones? And also can you hotkey and change options and settings midgame? I've also haven't found the nvidia overlay for system performance monitoring. For me its like adrenaline has everything you need built in, but nvidia requires 3rd party apps and has a less intuitive interface, he just gets nvidia because its popularity, but me faster 😎

[@overbese]

I just got n installed a 6070 upgrade from standalone integrated G5800x. Worked out of the box. LINUX FTW!

[@endlord_1.185]

I too got an AMD RX 580 8GB literally 2 days ago. What a crazy coincidence :D I was immediately satisfied with my experience. It worked right out of the box and all of my games ran better than ever before!

[@alouisschafer7212]

Gonna pick up a discounted or used 6800XT or 6900XT soon as my next GPU for the next 5 years. AMD these days is really solid. RDNA3 is just one big broken promise though imo 😅

[@markm0000]

I am never going to buy a used GPU now that crypto is mainstream. All those used cards are out of warranty and probably worn out. There's no way to know how many hours or what heat cycles they've been through.

[@alouisschafer7212]

@@markm0000 I just talk to the sellers.

[@NUCLEARARMAMENT]

@@DunoCZ A miner card will actually be better treated than a gaming card, since mining workloads put a constant load on the card. Gaming workloads are inconsistent and all over the place. Miners are also incentivized to properly cool the card's core and memory (i.e., where do you think those custom copper heat plates for Ampere/30 series cards' memory ICs came from? They were from miners).

[@fiethsing9988]

I'm picky, haven't bothered with secondhand stuff after mining became a thing. Had a friend get baited into buying a used card that died in like months.

[@alouisschafer7212]

@@DunoCZ miners often use special mining VBIOS for more efficiency simply running the card into its powerlimit on the regular gaming focused Vbios is inefficient

[@folguefolgue6177]

So there's no chance of anything going wrong when switching between an nvidia gpu and an amd gpu on linux? It seems so ridiculously easy. Hope it is like that, I also got my self an amd gpu for this christmas.

[@sf4769]

Just upgraded a few months ago from an RX570 to an RX6600. those cards are great! gave the old one to my dad and he can use it for years to come. switch everything to AMD after Microsoft dropped support for X58. now Im running linux on both the Ryzen build and my X58 build with 2x w7100 cards. both run like brand new machines. basically have dropped windows completely. so long as you have MESA and Proton steam games run perfectly fine in my opinion.

[@hamzab6046]

I saved money from my first job and managed to build my first ever PC 2 years ago. It was a Ryzen 7 3700X. Back then I didn't have enough money to buy a good GPU. Last year I saved up enough to get a decent GPU so I went with a Radeon RX 6600. Never looked back. I always wanted an AMD only build and couldn't be happier. AMD's performance on Linux is mind boggling.

[@iAMaReaperGotprobZ]

Could you please further explain the differences in xorg and wayland and how xwayland works. It would also be nice to know how compositor works and what are the differences between Mutter and x11. Also is there a way to get discord to share your screen on wayland without having to use it through WebKit/webapp?

[@eideticex]

Xorg is based on the old software rendering approach where the bulk of the rendering is done on the CPU. Wayland uses OpenGL and Vulkan to do the rendering on the GPU. Just like for video games, it's ground breaking levels of performance increase.

[@6ujkyujhrbdfgjy5]

Man I use Linux with an NVIDIA Laptop GPU and it sucks. Not only does NVIDIA's drivers suck, but especially their driver support for their Optimus chips. When I finally build my Linux desktop, I'll be using an AMD GPU...

[@padnomnidprenon9672]

The 580 is often at 100€ or less on aliexpress. You might need a deshroud because sometimes fans are loud resulting in great performance and low noise with quality fans

[@6ujkyujhrbdfgjy5]

@@padnomnidprenon9672 in what reality is Ali express reliable?

[@yep596]

I recently built my first gaming PC with AMD components, a Ryzen 7 5800X and a RX 6600 with Debian Testing for up-to-date packages, drivers, kernel version etc. And so far, my experience with it has been amazing. Playing games via Proton and sometimes Lutris has been a breeze, performance has been excellent too. I've even been able to play games online with friends who were using Windows such as Borderlands GOTY enhanced and Rocket League without any problems whatsoever. Linux gaming really has come a long way.

[@morsine]

ordered one online after watching your video! I'm not good with GPUs. but your suggestion seems to be a great option! I got it for 50$. totally worth it. now I can have a real GPU instead of the integrated graphics :D

[@supersjaak123]

Hey Outlaw I have noticed a clear difference in Wayland which is that it supports 144hz on my display which Xorg doesn't support but there is one problem that I am experiencing with Wayland which is screen sharing or streaming my desktop. What solutions to this problem are out there for Wayland? Thank you.

[@CigsInABlanket]

Windows.

[@jayarmstrong]

There's an up to date list on some official website. Google should find it. Last I checked, most problems were only for Nvidia users.

[@JojOatXGME]

I have used Wayland with NVIDIA on Arch Linux for about 7 years now. I never had any problems with my graphics, except that I had to replace the driver package once because they separated support for old cards into a separate package. So, can you provide an example for issues with Wayland and NVIDIA?

[@chasarr]

What desktop environment/window manager are you using? Sway and other wlroots based window managers does not work with Nvidia for example

[@JojOatXGME]

@@chasarr ok. That is possible. I was mostly unsung Gnome. I haven't used so many different window managers.

[@chasarr]

@@JojOatXGME There are a couple of graphics APIs in the Linux kernel which AMD, Intel and others use, but Nvidia forces everyone to use their proprietary EGLStrems API instead. The developers behind Sway and wlroots were so frustrated with this that they didn't bother supporting it. Sway even had a --my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia flag (they recently changed it) to add to it. There is an interesting article/rant from drew DeVault's blog called "Nvidia sucks and I'm sick of it" which goes into more detail. Cant link it here though, since links are disabled in the comments

[@daryl2328]

the 500 series go hard, I was using a 8gb 570 up until this Christmas. Hope it run well for you.

[@jetforcesoldier]

You updated from the same exact video card I updated from only a few months ago.

[@JasonMitchellofcompsci]

The only problem is like you said, you plan to use it for other workloads besides gaming. That's why I use a graphics card. Everything that's been properly optimized expects cuda. Especially if you want to grab gpu accelerated binaries out of AUR instead of compiling, you get thisaimodel-bin-cpu, and thisaimodel-bin-cuda. Some things like pytorch are an absolute pain to compile and I don't even know yet what kind of additional roadblocks you get trying to do that for AMD. Even with the expected hardware its something to avoid.

[@tanaymanerikar6503]

Same here. AMD is free until you want to actually get shit done.

[@gearfriedtheswmas]

Stupid for programmers to rely on something proprietary like cuda

[@LiveType]

@@tanaymanerikar6503 Yep, my experience in a nutshell. I wouldn't use an AMD gpu in my workstation even if it was free. Too much headache. Gaming system, sure. Sucks that this is the case, but the cuda lock in is real and boy is AMD not doing anybody any favors on that front at the moment.

[@testacals]

@@tanaymanerikar6503 It isn't free in any sense of the word though.

[@YounesLayachi]

"properly optimised" ... yeah ? you think nvidia flooding the market with proprietary tech and getting filthy rich with dominant position, leading to all software makers being required to support nvidia tech first, is a good thing ? "properly optimised" .... you have no idea what either of these 2 words mean

[@nathanacreman632]

Yeah, as much as I like the fact that AMD's drivers are open source, the whole scandal with the 7900XTX and in general the fact they can't keep up with NVIDIA with high end hardware kinda kills it for me. Had a 1080ti for almost 6 years, and now a 4090

[@emisorano]

I've always used AMD aside from some integrated graphics back in the day of nForce chipsets, I didn't knew it was actually that better, I just kinda like the brand.

[@q1fiend623]

Got me a 6800xt for the same reason. Never had an AMD card before, so far it's great.

[@gaucovyaero]

Got an RX 6700 XT earlier this year, lovin it :D

[@ineedmymodfixed]

My first graphics card 5 or 6 years ago in a pre built was an RX580 8GB (coming from integrated graphics). It served me well, and I went all in on the PC building experience. I bought an RX 5600, and flashed the XT bios onto it. It was nothing but issues for me so I returned it and bought a 2070 super. Currently running a 3090 with no plans to upgrade any time soon, hoping AMD can start to challenge Nvidia the way they are intel in the neat future.

[@ezforsaken]

I have the same rx580, it has been a pleasure to use in linux!

[@jyudat4433]

LETS GOOO. i also got a 6750 xt after suffering with my 1070 ti for a while

[@PotatoGodzilla]

The rx 580 use to 200€ 3 years ago. It was one of the best value for money card, it's so good!

[@whylde7834]

I also got a new-to-me RX 580 from being on Nvidia! Enjoy man, it works well!

[@OtisDeLarge]

I just bought one of these yesterday! Had my eye on the RX 6600 as well but I got the 580 for a third of the price and it should be fine for what I need. Finally get to replace my 10yr old GTX 660 :)

[@ADreamingTraveler]

As someone who had the equivalent of this card with a RX 480 it's honestly still a pretty decent card in the current year. It can still run a lot of stuff fairly well

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

I was just given an RX6750XT a few days ago. It’s very nice

[@stevengill1736]

Definitely going this route on my next PC. Linux all the way with lots of RAM so I can have lots of VMs - then if I have to use windows it can be a virtualized - and looks like AMD on the video card...cheers.

[@Negiku]

970 has 3.5gb + 500mb vram. The 500mb is just slower but still accessible and performance doesn't really get affected in some games but it apparently does in others.

[@joe_rogan]

Recently I swapped my gtx 960 for rx 550+PSU+256SSD. Yeah, I halved my gxf performance but I only play games few times a year. Old stuff like commandos, fallout/2, gothic/2, you get the point. It's much less problematic to use linux now. Thanks AMD!

[@mabster314]

I upgraded my 1080 Ti to a Radeon 6800XT after I committed to GNU/Linux full-time. I'm so happy with the call, I have to deal with so little bullshit and I think it really helps with Proton compatibility for some games. I also have AMD graphics in my HP Dev One and they're a million times better than dealing with Nvidia/intel switchable graphics (probably about 70% of the total effort I put into my old laptop was for switchable graphics).

[@outdoorinwithzach]

Just picked up a 5700xt. Great card for the price. Payed only $150!

[@burgerchild]

I’ve been rocking an amd GPU for a while, it’s comfy. You should make a video on KVM PCIE graphics card passthrough with your AMD card for the host and the NVIDIA for the guest. you could do windows for gaming or just linux for demonstration.

[@nacholopezosa]

I have the exact same GTX 970 Gigabyte Windforce! This may be my wakeup-call to get a new one...

[@twenty-fifth420]

I am building a new computer and ditching my old from 2017. It is an old, but reliable girl. I am turning it into a server….. But been on the fence for AMD vs Nividia for my new build. Especially since I want to do game development, albeit on the lightweight Godot engine. I haven’t quite decided. It does help I already have a Ryzen in it, so I might as well brand AMD on its tight little mini ITX looking ass.

[@deadinside777]

Still run a RX 480. 1440p 40-60fps gaming (medium settings). That card carried me over the insane GPU price hike well enough. Don't plan on changing it until the midrange RDN3 cards come out.

[@broncochamo]

props my dude for staying with the 970 for so long

[@Milkman-007]

great video