I BROKE CIV 6 WITH THIS CITY STATE!! | Civ VI Multiplayer Dutch Full Game

[@loopuleasa]

I am actually impressed how good multiplayer civ has become, despite all its drawbacks

[@VeyVox]

Well ever since Andrew got exposed I believe people started realising how important it is to keep a community alive

[@kikk276]

It's also largely due to the fact that the Civ 7 announcement brought a bunch of new players to CPL

[@matsiv5707]

@@kikk276 and the fact herson broke into mainstream civ6 youtube matters

[@Killtrobal]

@@VeyVox who is andrew?

[@YNotTho1]

@@Killtrobala person that cheated using civreplay, he was #1 rank for forever before he was finally caught cheating.

[@JoshuaKim1997]

I think this civ is super slept on. I won a t112 FFA SV earlier today with a a 530+ prod Magnus city with Dutch. It had Ruhr Valley and the vertical integration promotion on top of me getting Casa and stacking the Colonial taxes card all game. It was pretty huge. Netherlands scales super well and the free culture off sent/received traders. I think it’s super overlooked. Was able to hit T4 gov before T100 just off all the traders I was sending/receiving with only like 2 theaters and 0 writers/artists recruited

[@delducasabaudo4285]

yeah well, this spawn of Herson was ridicolus. Turn 55 271 prod, 100 science and 165 culture without pen and brush. Never seen something like that, the peace was completly out of control. Turn 62 industralization, thats BS

[@drjonritz]

Toledo's forward settle was a bummer...that placement was perfect for the pantheon and coast. . .

[@vakistania]

This game had a really cool map layout for you with the bay and all, but I remember getting really irritated when Spain forward settled like that

[@DOMbeyondtheblackwall]

I wouldn't mind more edited sub 30 minute long videos.

[@thundercockbo]

New mic sounds so good!

[@aero4856]

Why don't more lobbies play on wet rainfall? I always change to wet rainfall when i'm just messing around. Maybe because the "reeds and marshes" pantheon becomes much more desirable?

[@liquidchalk7080]

That spain forward settle is wild!

[@drjonritz]

I'm surprised he didn't Suz Kandy first...so early in the game with so many undiscovered natural wonders...

[@BadMagicWings]

GEKOLONISEERD 🌷🌷🟠🟠🟠🔴⚪🔵

[@blazer8706]

Moksha in red light district is hilarious

[@viktorrezdad]

average Dutch player start, played her in a friendly FFA and spawned next to Mount Roraima with nearby Fez recently. The BBS algorithm is clearly pushing the religious Dutch build agenda

[@TanglewiId]

Does the description of the Polder and the Radio Oranje ability stack to become +6 combat strength?

[@thebenc1537]

I need help. I start a new game. It's fun and all for awhile. Then I get bored before I finish the game and turn it off. (single player only) What can I do to stay interested long enough to see the endgame?

[@mdk9482]

Hi, why do you settle your t3 on this tile, and not the one below? Its the same turn settle, but givin you 2 culture 2 faith for free and +2 on a harbor, also saving one tile buy for pyramids and not blockin any other settles

[@rolandxb3581]

Not sure why, but one thing is he wouldn't be able to get a water mill because it would have been a lake settle. With all those floodplains, that's a significant loss.

[@klmnts]

@@rolandxb3581 You can get water mills on non-river cities in BBM. I think Herson places cities closer for adjacency, AOE bonuses, etc.

[@DiscombobulatingName]

​@@rolandxb3581I think that got patched so you can just build watermill regardless.

[@aomafura3374]

Wait Trade Routes to City States are considered international Trade?

[@josephprice9739]

It hurts me that herson set up for an industrial zone in the city coffee shop and never used it

[@BIGGIECHEESE31]

I think it makes sense to play a bit less greedy. It was obv super early that u will have a super strong game, but u still didnt take a little bit of preaparations. Mongolia could habe irreled your game with such a small investmet bc u didnt even bother to reveal his cities. It wont kill your game to make spy early for example and lvl it up or at lest reveal mongolia cities, or prebuild some chariots and take garrison card. U were so far ahead but still risk your game, I think it really is not optimal to expect everyone to let you win for no reason

[@drowsyCoffee]

I mean, there is a reason to expect them to let you go off, at least, early game, and that is that if they push you pre-industrial age, now you *both* lose, making it a lose-lose scenario to try and contain runaway players that directly harms your placement at the end of the game. I do agree in this particular case that it was greedy to not get some defenses going though, as Mongolia went to an early war, and while we didnt see the degree of commitment to it (it might have been just a builder steal or the like), it does ring alarm bells specially with that civ pick of a player who isnt aware of what the meta is and might throw away their game to ruin yours due to lack of awareness and/or desire to grief just for shits and giggles (valid tbf, 4x players greeding to hell and back makes my veins pop, specially from an Age of Wonders/Endless Legend/Humankind background where the whole point is the war) and who should not be expected to be playing rationally/optimally

[@BIGGIECHEESE31]

​@@drowsyCoffeeI never played the other games but the thing is also that Mongolia could never win by simming, he was super far behind. He could have easily went timing push in medieval on Herson with +12 intel and i think he would have rolled him. Herson didnt even bother to reveal cities and made 0 prebuilds, and I tihnk that mongolia would have been far better of by trying to attack him, Mogolia cant win a simoff (and thats obv not why he picked it) against wilhelmina anyways. I just find it weird, that CIVplayers alway expect their early warciv neighboor to wait for them (when they fullgreed on a latesimciv) to indus timing them, and then it wasnt "the optimal play" from the warcivplayer and they are just a "noob"... I just HATE the state of FFA

[@bilkuandris8219]

De Zeven Provincien makes city strenght too high for mongolia also mongolia doesn't know he didn't reveal and Herson also just has insane chokes

[@drowsyCoffee]

@@BIGGIECHEESE31 I mean. here's the thing, if Mongolia goes and medieval times Herson (at a highly competitive time due to the Feudalism spike/a bunch of good DP)... they still lose. Sure, they might take one, maybe on an ungodly lucky situation 2 cities, but very quickly the war would turn into a quagmire due to lacking the main ways to speed it up (Military engineers and the like mainly), and while these two are racing together to the bottom of the placements for the game everyone else in the lobby keeps simming and outpacing them. If they try to outsim, they lose naturally due to their relative position at that point, and if they try an early push, they also lose because they dont yet have the means to wage war effectively. The solution to the problem is just, playing a better sim civ sadly, as realistically the only way aggro civs are worth it are cases like Gorgo and the like where you have a good sim from which to springboard aggression. If you want early war shenanigans, you either need to play teamers (which are a fucking bloodbath from turn 0 pretty fucking much shit's vicious), duel, or FFA with smaller numbers of players, as the effectiveness of early war is inversely proportional to lobby size (as every extra player in the lobby that isnt warring against you is a player that is simming and pulling ahead against you). Trying to war pre-industrial on the 8 players context just kinda misunderstands the systemic pressures the format applies onto players

[@drowsyCoffee]

@@BIGGIECHEESE31 But in general, the problem here in understanding is that FFA is, ykno. Free for All. This isnt a duel vs Herson, where finding the timing of comparative advantage of their war civ against his sim civ is the point. This is a 1 vs 7 where your objective is to outdo every other player in the lobby, and you cannot realistically (not even in terms of value, just on terms of physical distance/space) simultaneously war 7 other players to keep them from simming while you're forced to spend your resources towards war. Inherently, war on FFA is only worth at the point where it can be made to be fast and profitable enough where either the cost invested into it is outdone by the returns, OR by how much you've slowed the other player closest to a victory/your position, and after playing a bunch, people have found this cutoff point to be early industrial/atomic depending on UUs and the like. Its no arbitrary capricious choice or anything, just a consequence of the format, and the solution to the problem is other formats, of which there are plenty, where these pressures arent present (such as teamers where falling behind isnt as much of a penalty so long as you've made someone else fall behind more, as the rest of your team can still compete for wincons)

[@jakemalloy4947]

Whats the music you use in the intro? first twenty seconds

[@zkirk446]

Hey how do I find multiplayer bbg games?

[@lexclouds7562]

Is it BBG?

[@prof5173]

your mic ıs so good know dıd you change anything

[@MagnusInternals]

170/180, almost 300 prod at turn 56 goodness gracious……

[@isaakring2573]

Is it semi normal for multiplayer to turn barbs off?

[@sproga_265]

Yep! Tons of CPL players consider barbs an RNG nuisance rather than anything skill-based.

[@Killtrobal]

Why not rotterdam directly on the wonder?

[@Bagel_Bear]

Is there anyone like you but for vanilla Civ6?

[@isaakring2573]

less than 4 hour vid = Herson stomp?

[@miguelsvjr7405]

Count how many times he says "uummmm"

[@reginahelenafaria9014]

You wouldnt lose the builder if your last charge is used to chop its finishing btw. Dont ask me why tho, but its for sure how it works.

[@ayhumbletv7704]

Yooo

[@AllBeganwithBBS]

No barb lobbies are nice. I like no barb lobbies.

[@failproductionsdk]

first?

[@samglass2084]

noob lobby, herson stop farming

[@jpvansplunder]

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