I Built a Set of 180 Degree Headers for the Perfect Sound

[@ReignitedAuto]

"Because it sounds cool. " literally the only reason I need to build something as well 😄. Great work on this headers they look beautiful 👏

[@pimpnick4920]

F yes mate. I have a slow ass 99 q45 that needs to sound awesome. I have plenty of time to hear it wind up bc it's slow

[@freedblowfish3705]

I REALLY want to crossplane crank swap my inline 4 PURELY because sound, any other benefits are bonus

[@shotthunder7663]

Thats a new level unlocked, the only reason dont build something just for the sound, i dont have the money hahaha

[@gregpadberg1402]

The glorious sound of a flat plane crank, but with a stock crank! Good to hear from Dad again since the accident, and that he is seeing continuous gradual progress on his healing journey while looking forward to more racing days ahead. I really appreciate the unconventional approaches and the mix of theory, fabrication, and outstanding workmanship. Here's to the two dudes with two Stude's!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Thanks!

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

Wait what happens if you put 180deg headers on a flat plane...does it turn into a normal sounding V8?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

@@Skinflaps_Meatslapper I would have to think about that, but I'm pretty sure it would

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

@@Calvin-Nelson Haha, off to go design some 180 headers for my buddy's Ferrari in secret, he's gonna love it

[@davidmattingly2272]

Rtrd v

[@paulwaite8019]

What's that old saying: "Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance." Very happy to see the two of you in the shop. Best of luck! Cheers, Paul

[@erickbernard8208]

This goes hand in hand with greed is a route of evil so well

[@permafrost2064]

this is awesome! I have never heard of 180 headers and had no idea the engine sound could change so much with a differently designed exhaust. Very interesting stuff!

[@ahow8017]

I had no idea how much this would charge the sound of the V8. I have experience with Subaru equal length vs in-equal length headers and the drastic changes in the sound so it makes sense. You definitely have my attention and have me thinking of my project. Very cool stuff, thank you.

[@lifeofmike5126]

That's why the old 2000s Nascars sounded so different

[@matthewsmith6963]

Totally tubaler

[@Alkatross]

Now it makes sense why some 180 crank cars sound terrible. It's all about the header

[@ArneChristianRosenfeldt]

@@Alkatrossmechanics and engineers used their ears to diagnose an engine. Sounds well or bad was based on experience of that engine in the race. Amateurs judge sound of engines like it is the new TicTok song. Why even comment and spend money on pop music?

[@hotflashfoto]

I've never heard of 180 headers before, but this makes perfect sense. Thank you for taking the time to explain it so completely. I believe that I understand headers better now than I ever have.

[@toddaulner5393]

Seen them but had idea

[@monkeybarmonkeyman]

One of the reasons I subbed to this channel was you all seem to understand and seek out limitations, of all kind. I like the path you've chosen to follow with 'Da Hawk and wish everyone on the team all the best for the future.

[@xozindustries7451]

Great to see your dad back on his feet and in the garage, it’s probably the best therapy, hope to see you at the track this summer

[@mikedebear]

Gotta respect a man who realizes he's got a weak resistance to impulse decisions when it comes to boost. As a fellow throttle drunk fool, I look forward to hearing this beast scream.

[@angus3963]

Great TED talk on exhaust manifold design theory and practice. :D

[@SloppyMechanics]

Nice to see dad out l!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

For sure!

[@bc8683]

the amount of work required to get the desired sound deserves much respect. Those 180s look beautiful also ✊🏾

[@mikehotchkiss8975]

We all bloody win. Thanks for playing

[@lordhumungous7908]

You and I have very different tastes in engine sounds. Excellent video and awesome work on those headers.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

To each their own!

[@andypdq]

@@Calvin-Nelson I also prefer the sound of the traditional system on a crossplane crank V8, however, the performance advantages of the 180 degree headers absolutely cannot be denied, well done sir, you get the cigar!

[@Jon_98]

Felt like i was in school again but this time i liked being at school Great explanation at the beginning

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Thanks! 😃

[@cmattdabrat]

Don't blame ya one bit for going the NA route. Still can compete and have fun at safer speeds. When I saw the bug, knew exactly who's that was. Was a really cool budget challenge build. Forgot the name of the challenge. At the time I was building my V8 bug. Main reason I got rid of it was, light car a lot of power. Thing felt like it wanted to kill me every time I got in it, so it had to go.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Grassroots Motorsports Challenge. Thanks for the continued support

[@davidreed6070]

I know your dad is still hurting. My prayers are with him. I'm interested in the heads on the small block. Thanks guys

[@Calvin-Nelson]

They're just old used dirt track heads. Lol.

[@topgunne12]

This gives me hope for KZbin. There are still channels that release amazing content specifically geared towards learning and fun. Subbed.

[@DoctorMotorcycle]

Excellent Video! I accidentally made my Suzuki GS400 Parallel Twin sound like a Subaru when I built the turbo setup for it. The two pipes merge into one, but the right cylinder crossed over to the left into the y-pipe, so it was 12" longer than the left cylinder. It gave it the uneven, misfire "thump thump" sound, and specifically at idle and low RPM, you'd think it was a Subaru. It's crazy how much of an impact the primary tubes have on sound!

[@PNW_Car_Mods]

I've learned more in the last 10 minutes than I have in a year. Damn fine explanation sir!

[@kennethalbert4653]

6:00 switch to classical music! Well done Sir!

[@g.o.b.2558]

Cool projects 👍Good to see your dad getting back at it 👍

[@dilsher12]

Fun fact bmw m5 uses 180 manifold/headers with the 'hot V' setup .

[@Chris-bn1bn]

Save yourself $$$ & have a flat plane crank made. Nobody will want to put that much time and $ to make it sound like a lawnmower. Sorry, but most people love the sound of a radical V8

[@danpatterson6937]

Very nicely explained. How would the exhaust note differ from an 8 straight-tube exhaust install? And, what role will tube length play?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

It would be very different. I think you are describing zoomie headers. Length is how you tune for a particular engine speed.

[@about17cheezits96]

would an xpipe not be desirable with the 180 headers, or was the xpipe invented as a bandaid for standard headers to try and scavenge those out of sync pulses?

[@trev0rbr]

An xpipe can have a similar effect

[@trev0rbr]

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[@Calvin-Nelson]

X pipes definitely help the sound, but they don't sound like 180s with a Y pipe

[@jclaybaugh2]

So happy your Dad is doing good and back in his happy place!

[@Zero-Fox-Garage]

Very cool to see pop feeling better after that wreck! I'll be seeing you guys at Drag week, just registered yesterday morning and bringing a 'Canadian '57 Pontiac to run in B/gas with a small block and TKX 5 speed as well. Cheers!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Sick!! Don't be a afraid to come say Hi.

[@Zero-Fox-Garage]

@@Calvin-Nelson I'll come find you guys for sure!

[@baddriversoflittlerock8359]

thanks for the diagrams to help understand the principles behind this.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

You are welcome!

[@thegalli]

So glad to see Dad upright and in the shop!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Me too

[@chadrobke9676]

Good call on the background music on the video, I enjoyed that

[@souldoubtcustoms]

You guys give us ham and eggers hope. Thank you for your dedication to the culture. Calvin might have his hands full with Andrews build. Keep up the good work fellas.

[@junkyard4999]

Your Dad is tuff. I envy the bond and shared interest in cars. Wish my Dad was cool like that. All I learned from him is how to be a mean drunk and roll out on your family at 10 yrs old. Love the content buddy!!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Sorry to hear that. Thanks.

[@theislandsc]

I’ve been wanting to do a set of 180* headers on my caprice ppv to go along with reducing the crank throw for a higher redline. Not a lot of room to work with on these modern vehicles. The only way I can think of making it work is around the front of the engine and out the hood or front fenders.

[@russellzacharias3535]

Did you consider going to a pair of flanges bolted face to face under the pan? For "easier" install/removal. Seem to recall 180 degree headers on a big Ford (Fairlane?) having that feature. "Bundle of Snakes"?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

I definitely considered it, but didn't think it would be necessary. It's pretty much an "engine out" process to get the headers off anyways.

[@BoyGeorgestrait]

It's really good to see your dad on video brother

[@dr1ver267]

Gosh Calvin why do you have to like everything I like, I can’t stop watching! This is a great alternative to boost, making a 180deg header setup will definitely keep it interesting without all the extra horsepower!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Thanks!! We just have good taste, I guess.

[@matthewzuber9823]

Great video! I feel so bad because you start talking about the Studebaker as a whole and At that point I started looking at what other videos to watch. A moment later you called me out saying if I was only there for the headers to click off. Haha Good job on the build!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

It's all good buddy. I get it. Only so much time in the day.

[@yucannthahvitt]

This is good content. Very glad to see you do this. It’s a difficult task with a tough cost benefit analysis, so it’s very rare. On many cars it would be almost impossible to fab a set of these due to space constraints.

[@TurboLSRanger]

So glad to see pops is doing better.

[@JimBosGarage49]

It’s good to see your dad doing well and moving around. I’m glad he is ok. So I’m going to be on his side on this one 😂. Good luck pop and give him a but whooping 😂

[@TurboTaco2JZ]

This was single handedly the best explanation of the 180 header. Happy healing

[@zrxdoug]

Welcome back! So glad to see Andrew looking so darn good and still fulla piss & vinegar...the 180 degree header thing was awesomely well presented even if it isn't something that's likely to show up in my garage...the fact that you guys are going balls out with the manual trans cars is VERY much in my wheelhouse, cannot wait for more on your driveline choices & solutions...and dad's turret-top is just EPIC. So glad to see my favorite racing family back in action.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Thanks!!

[@Ne1vaan]

Oh sweet. I learned something today!

[@jimmelvin5556]

Awesome to see dad moving around and chipper. Keep doing you

[@punksrfr]

Lookin good Pops!!! I’ll be stoked to see y’all banging gears!

[@halecj1]

Damn this video was awesome! I was just curious what 180 headers were so I clicked, but I had no idea I wanted to attend exhaust college lol! Great info!

[@garrymaher5439]

Hi Fellas , from Australia ( your American buddies just toured here on your gasser steering , the best way to go is to use a rack and pinion , works well and simple. all you need is sliding mounts . all i did was let the shaft slide through mounted heim joints. Thats the way i set up my 63 Falcon in 1970 The rack mounted directly to the tube axle. Be careful welding mounts to the tube axle . I would weld longitudinally , welding around the tube can cause a stress fracture leading to a bent or even worse , broken tube especially on a reasonably heavy car ( 2550 lbs ). The tube that broke was 1.5 in dia .080 wall chromoly. Replaced it with 1.75 dia 3/16 wall DOM, lasted for years.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Yeah. Unfortunately that is not era correct for the classes we want to participate in

[@DuckyHunter812]

Good to see your dad up, around and back to work. I'm glad y'all put such a good cage in the Volvo.

[@jonathangehman4005]

While I found the lecture at the beginning informative and well presented, I appreciated the addition of some pleasant music in the background, familiar but can't remember the composer, Erik Satie? 3 pedals FOR THE WIN!!!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Which musical piece? Can you give me a time stamp. Thanks

[@jonathangehman4005]

It's the one that starts at 4:00 or soon after. I like that you put stuff like this in with the "Kid's Stuff"(which I don't hate)

[@sanger440]

Love your Dads Stude! That back window glass is something I think is a 10/10 on the cool-O-Meter!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Nice!! Thanks.

[@fredericrike5974]

Glad to see your dad back and with a lot of his "snackle frackle fritzle" up and running- the low tens need to look out! The 180's look great- can't wait to hear them roar! The winner will be the crowd watching, I'm sure!

[@bladenrexroth2555]

What about a mid or rear mounted turbo with that set up? Or twins into a Y pipe? What about a forward facing exit?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Like I said, I don't need the temptation. I'm considering putting a LT4 blower on it, but no turbos on this one.

[@bladenrexroth2555]

@@Calvin-Nelson I commented like 6 minutes in and regretted it after the 14 or 16 minute mark lol

[@bladenrexroth2555]

Still be cool to see that in a forward facing design. With a set of twins and the down pipes in a Y. Blasting that sweet music through a 6-8 inch straight pipe.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

@@bladenrexroth2555 We've certainly thought about it, just not this car. Lol. Appreciate the enthusiasm.

[@deanpaidas8089]

Love the Studes can’t wait to see them done. Glad to see your dad is doing better

[@sergiowerneckdefigueiredo6456]

Nice exhaust job. I did the same crossover (1x4-3x2) on the exhaust of my old Beetle. I felt like the engine ran freely, even though the work to build it was insane. As you did with your eight pistons, I also joined the tubes on both sides in one exit, but before I added two dampers and, finally, I kept the two original outlets, making a 4.2.1.2 system. It was great, with no internal vibrations and silent, due to the length of the tubes, the addition of dampers and the outlet box. Ah, my Beetle isn't for drag racing, but it accelerates well...

[@lunkydog]

Love the 2dudes 2studes concept. The manual transmissions are just the cherry on top. Other than very brief foray with a V8 Vega, All I've ever owned are standards for 50yrs.

[@acdelled]

Tuning an engine for power is great, tuning and building an engine for sound..... I wanna play!!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

My man!!

[@shtboxyj8406]

Totally a reason to build it! Because it sounds cool. Good to see dad up moving around and playing in the garage.

[@79huddy]

I know a guy in Georgia who has a Superhawke been sitting in his garage since the early 80's bout the same blue as your pops car it came out the factory with the number 26 body on a number 23 chassis was one of the first ones built after the buy out

[@Whatdyoumean]

I wish even 10% of car enthusiasts had half your understanding of exhaust and savaging. Feel like I'm talking a foreign language to even serious racers. Really enjoyed the vid.

[@jaredh9541]

Heck yeah. Love the direction on the studes dudes!! That exhaust is rad Calvin.

[@scotttimpany2845]

Glad to see you on camera Mr. Nelson. You took a hell of a ride! I hope you continue to recover and to feel better.

[@tptrsn]

Not knowing anything about gasser front suspension, I'm quite surprised to see how short those shackles are on those leaf springs. Do you have any calculations about how much front travel that will allow?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

We don't. It's all Speedway Motors stuff. We'll keep an eye on it.

[@supercuda1950]

Good to see your Dad in a video. On the headers, you could always put the headers out the hood (lol) and maybe shortening the primarries. If nothing else, point them at the windshield and it will double as a defroster.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

I'm sorry. I just can't stand the exhaust stuff out of the hood thing. Lol. To each their own.

[@supercuda1950]

@@Calvin-Nelson You know I was just kidding, or was I? (lol)

[@Calvin-Nelson]

@@supercuda1950 I know. It's just a pet peeve of mine. Lol

[@fredbadgett7962]

I hitched a ride thru the Mooresville pits with Ted and the Chicken Hawk at the Charlotte Int. Stude meet back n the day. Prince of a man! My wife won the valve cover race at that meet.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

That's awesome!!! Bet that was fun.

[@fredbadgett7962]

@@Calvin-Nelson 99% of Studebaker people are fun! That other 1 percent though.. lol

[@jar895]

Although I'm 66 I vote for junior. Would like to see his shopping list as I will be copying it. Digging the manual trans.

[@thousandpounddoggarage]

Good to see pops back at it. Can’t wait to hear those 180’s.

[@BCToby]

Wow huge respect for this project! "Sound alone is reason enough for me" *bows* Well done!

[@young11984]

Maaaan, 180s and a stick should be a bad ass sounding machine.

[@gafrers]

Great work and Great to see your Dad back on video

[@hackjobhotrodshop5075]

Great explanation and example of standard, 180 and 180 with Y. Never seen that clear of description!

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@davidanderson2393]

I'm an old guy with many fond memories of a high revving short stroke small block with an aluminum flywheel and M22 4 speed and 4.56 gears. So I am eagerly awaiting to see what your dad comes up with for a small block stick combo, I do want to hear those 180 degree headers at full song.

[@patpayson]

This is awesome to see. Can't wait to see you "two Dudes in two studes" running at Sick Week! I'm kind of nostalgic so I might lean towards Pop!

[@cameronjenkins6748]

Good freaking gosh, I haven't even watched the video yet and I'm already amazed just by the thumbnail. They look amazing.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Thanks!

[@MichaelRadelet]

So I’m curious what it would do if let’s say for packaging reasons the four runners that don’t crossover were left with short primaries to save space. How would that effect the sound and performance

[@Calvin-Nelson]

It would probably sound weird.

[@BigRedRocketScience]

Maybe more like 2 Subarus that 2 Hondas?

[@EddyLancerHands]

Hell yeah, stick shift drag cars! Slow progress it fine by me, I'll still stick around to watch.

[@thomasmurphy9514]

Being a Pennsylvania native myself I was kind of curious of where youse guys are located I'm here in Mount Carmel Central PA

[@NautilusGuitars]

Very good explanation! I've been aware of the 180 degree headers from when I was into the old WRX STI builds in the early 2000s. I understood the premise, but your description really nailed it home for me and made it much more clear how it works.

[@Tony7190GR]

Please tell me you will be running individual throttle bodies ?.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Sorry, but no. I don't really understand the appeal of them other than they look cool. Plan is a LT2 intake.

[@Peter-V_00]

Fun is a personal equation, your family has it figured out.

[@kevinjennische8209]

What cubes, cam, compression are in the gen one small block?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

353 ci. flea market mystery roller cam special lol. Compression is probably around 9.5:1

[@kevinjennische8209]

In my humble opinion, the LT will dominate!

[@yehtan]

Seeing how so many people are willing to pay the exorbitant dealer markup for a corvette z06 for its ferrari-like wail, you would do very well indeed if you can offer a bolt-on 180 deg exhaust for the bog standard C8. It is certain to drive everyone crazy mad.

[@Lark-zg4fm]

Having a first GEN 406 lark with Mickey Thompson valve, covers myself, I say, build a nostalgic old school small block

[@Calvin-Nelson]

No thanks.

[@bigbelconut]

Years ago I did a v8 swap on a 911 Porsche I built a set of 180 headers for it just for the sound. It was a total sleeper. Great explanation on the theory. A lot of the old Ascot dirt racers used 180 headers.

[@slaidler63]

This is a FANTASTIC video. It is rare that I learn something new about cars, especially being in the BMW section of KZbin, with everyone doing a "downpipe and a tune." LOL... Thank you for this!!

[@mp5778]

Great job on the 180* headers. Maybe next a tri-y 180* with 15-18" primaries to a Y and cross over with just 2 pipes and then Y collector to a Y pipe. Instead of a tri Y it will be a 7 Y.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Yeah. They don't have the same sound. Not sure why.

[@mikeme9938]

What about all the heat on the oil pan? Oil will be boiling.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

It has a pretty good air gap. It should be alright. We will monitor it though.

[@ablemarine9072]

How is your Dad and Family doing? Like this video 180 headers are worth every bit of the work! Was running them back in the Seventies, Pain in the rear, However the performance was well worth the effort! Nice to see this video. Thanks and Again God Bless you and Family.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

We are doing well. Dad is still struggling with a lot, but is improving slowly.

[@ablemarine9072]

@@Calvin-Nelson That's Most Important! Did you see the 59 Volvo that was going to crusher on You Tube? Did you guys happen to be the ones that got it?

[@Calvin-Nelson]

@@ablemarine9072 Nah. We're not going to do another Volvo like that.

[@ablemarine9072]

@@Calvin-Nelson don't blame you a bit! Just happened to see another red Volvo on you tube carbon copy red and thought that you may have, But Not Likely! Thanks Again God Bless you and Yours Always. Thanks

[@gregoryhughes]

Is that the Kerbal VAB music?

[@mccanlessdesign]

Hey man, I agree - sounds great! I built mine a while ago - car's behind me as I type. Couple quick vids on my channel, I think.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Nice. Cool project!

[@wayneskelly4297]

There is a guy that has run a set of 180s on his 301 Pontiac in Stock Eliminator. Totally changed the sound of the car

[@philbetthauser9547]

What size piping are you using on the output side of the wye pipe? The 180 headers sound great 👍. It's a tough call on which gen small block will come out on top. I think due to the heads of the gen 5 it might be slightly ahead.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

3 inch.

[@philbetthauser9547]

@Nivlac57 cool. Looking forward to seeing the dueling Studebaker builds.

[@CS_247]

We have been running this style of header on Ford 289s in GT40s since the 60's. The same engine in the Cobra sounds totally awesome, like a proper V8, the GT40 sounds like a proper race car.

[@isidrosevier1125]

I've had this idea for years and have always wondered what it would sound like. I'm glad someone finally did it.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

It's been around since the 60s. Maybe even before then. Ford beat Ferrari with it.

[@isidrosevier1125]

@@Calvin-Nelson I never heard anyone talk about it. I learned something new today

[@rickworkman7191]

Calvin I have a 66duce gasser with 4in.drop straight axle,did not like the steering box and drag links I use a rack and pinion steering box from a dodge rear axle rack no bump steer drives like a caddy

[@Calvin-Nelson]

My Dad has done a lot of gassers. He knows what he is doing. Will it have a little bump steer? Yes, but it will be minimal.

[@CITYBORNDESERTBRED]

THUMBS UP BEFORE I EVEN STARTED THE VID BECAUSE IVE BEEEN WAITING FOR THIS TO DROP!! 🤘🏾

[@billcornwall5696]

360 headers were a thing in the 70’s made your V-8 sound like a straight six. “Tuned” is the way to go imho.

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Never heard of a 360 degree header. Must be a Tri-Y

[@billcornwall5696]

@@Calvin-Nelson bag of snakes. I’d hate to bend them for sure.

[@cwbintn8949]

Heck yeah i'm glad your dad is recovering nicely from that awful wreck he had.

[@johnkufeldt3564]

One beautiful exhaust, fnckiug great job.

[@drewmurray2583]

Your dad looks like he is doing well! Still so relieved he is ok after the volvo crash

[@melissamcallister2867]

Looks cool but isn't the exhaust going to bake the engine oil

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Maybe. Maybe not. We'll keep an eye on it. I'm not worried about it.

[@Iamthestig42069]

I wonder what a destroked 4.8 crank 6.0 built to rev would sound with 180 degree headers

[@Calvin-Nelson]

Probably pretty sick! Lol

[@bobroberts2371]

180 headers seemed to be a thing on short track ovals for a time.( in the 1980's ? )