Today we do a comparison between a Gen 5 L83 5.3L engine and a Gen 4 LS3 6.2L engine. We mainly compare the sound. T-Shirts: www.paccracing...
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@victormdesousa7 ай бұрын
You pay for the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge. Best quote ever
@therealboofighter7 ай бұрын
Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!
@ttsupra877 ай бұрын
This line killed me hahaha
@ericbengtson34907 ай бұрын
Love the sound of your 180 degree exhaust.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@Tshade677 ай бұрын
I had a dynoed 585hp .040 over, 11.5:1 400 sbc backed by a TH400 in a shorted S10 in the late 90s. Most people will not understand how scary and fun a short wheelbase, under 3,000lb. Pickup can be on street tires. It was a tire shredder at any speed. It ended up pushing out a cylinder wall out at 7,000 rpm going down the highway. Hardly anything was salvageable, it was like a bomb went off under the hood. Thanks for another great video guys. You are my favorite father and son team on here. I wish my son would have been interested in hot rods, but he is a great young man nonetheless.
@ahoneyman7 ай бұрын
I had a warm Vortec 350 in an S10. It's just terrifying and horrible. In the wet it just spins and fishtails and the steering is so numb and vague you're really just making suggestions.
@hendo3377 ай бұрын
It's true, everyone thinks they need a turbo 6.0 making 800,900,1000hp. When the truth is that they couldn't handle what a turbo 4.8 with almost any cam+springs, the right trans and converter can do in a street car on street tires. 500-700whp is nearly unusable outside of highway roll racing on some wide, open, flat, empty highways out west somewhere. 585hp from an n/a 408ci SBC would be extremely serious in the late 90s. I remember thinking if I could just get my hands on a 400-500hp car I would seriously be somebody. The LS was a mystery still, untrusted and believed to be near the peak of it's potential with weak pistons and rods.
@RC-NW3 ай бұрын
I have a 700HP 1984 Vette, lightened to 2800 pounds. It's VERY spooky.
@nathanrobbs49547 ай бұрын
Your question of the 180 header compared to equal length. I’d say the 180 header definitely has a much more raspy high pitch pronounce sound and sounds well tuned! But both styles will sound great, basically it’s your preference. But that 180 degree header is a head turner too!
@erickbernard82087 ай бұрын
Dad is always right
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Almost always. Lol. I get him every once in a while.
@LoganC2787 ай бұрын
Mom wake up nivlac57 just posted
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
We're back!
@Burndown7 ай бұрын
You guys inspired me to spend way too much time making a crossover style header for my pacer. Hopefully it changes the exhaust note! Thanks for the videos
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Heck yeah. Thanks for your vids too!
@davidgourdie36917 ай бұрын
180 degree headers,cool sound .Also been used in Canam cars?,and Aussie race boats use them as well.
@Dr.Furburger7 ай бұрын
those 180 headers sound so freaking good man! great job!!!
@tomasjones37557 ай бұрын
Love em both! Ima big fan of 180 headers. Not to go all 'Engine Masters', but would love to see 180* vs Equal length , on the 5.3L
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Agreed. That's a hard one to pull off.
@monkeybarmonkeyman7 ай бұрын
While I'm all for supercharging... I wonder how much, if at all, the intake manifold on your car might be limiting your HP? Your 180's - if they are not limiting power - sound better to my ear balls 🙂
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. For sure. I think the intake would promote HP production, but the cam just doesn't want to rev.
@kowen81217 ай бұрын
Equal length sounds better... but efficiency always trumps sound. Always runs what works best.
@cl087 ай бұрын
But the northstar build though?!
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
It's coming.
@TactiTronics7 ай бұрын
Sounds like a TorqStorm is in order!
@parkerbethke7 ай бұрын
Vortec Atlas content !!
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Coming soon. Very soon
@krakhedd7 ай бұрын
Great "Epic Voice Guy" voice, Calvin :D Jayztwocents would be proud!!
@drewmurray25837 ай бұрын
i always sit on the edge of my seat.
@e.v.a.l.s7 ай бұрын
hey i sent a link of this video to a buddy, and he's going to watch it. he likes your videos.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Thanks man!!
@robsorgdrager84777 ай бұрын
That nova is a mean bish. The response and the chassis 😳 that would be a fun car. The way it went from normal to a sasquatch roar was insane.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I was pretty surprised with how good it sounded. I love how it wants to rev.
@Darth-.-Vaper7 ай бұрын
Leave the headers. Try a remote turbo!
@piotrkopczynski68757 ай бұрын
Small engine (5.3) vs Big engine (6.2) - Rather Big engine vs slightly bigger one... Difference between them is only 14,5%... In Europe anything above 2.0 is considered to be a big engine... xD Driveing eg. Mustang 5.0 in Europe would be comparable to driving 12.5 V8... (but the biggest one is 7.3 Godzilla, am I right?).
@philbetthauser95477 ай бұрын
Trying to choose which headers sound better or is my favorite would be like trying to decide which child is your favorite lol. Great job guys. Looking forward to seeing which style of supercharger you go with!
@seanhenderson20797 ай бұрын
I will never understand why people scoff at 300-400 wheel like it’s bad numbers. Most people aren’t even used to anything over 250 wheel especially when it’s in a 3k or less curb weight vehicle. Anything over 400 and you definitely need drivermod in a sub 3k curb vehicle.
@hendo3377 ай бұрын
At idle I like the chop of regular but, at high rpms theirs no comparison, 180 has that Falfa's '55 sound.
@jamesford29427 ай бұрын
180° all the way. I love that even smooth sound. Going to build a set for my 318 in a truck.
@michaelangelo80017 ай бұрын
I prefer the equal length, as whenever possible, I like to keep things simple.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
More power to you!!
@RAWRMotorsports7 ай бұрын
I need the best injector timing for a 02 6.0 LQ9 with a 218/224@.050 110lsa .553/.553 cam 11:1 FBO..
@RAWRMotorsports7 ай бұрын
And it's po1 ecu do I change boundary or normal / makeup tables ?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I wasn't aware that the stock ECUs allowed you to mess with injection timing. Never really looked for it.
@samthing4thetrack8067 ай бұрын
All the V8s that "hit hard licks" down the road drive me batty, but so do HDs. The 180 sounds beautiful while the "timed" headers are close. Hard licks are lost energy for sure, so I wish folks would move away from them. Most will never do a 180 as you have done, and due to fitment, most won't do the other type either. This kind of tweaking is great exposure as it puts the idea out there and makes it all seem less effort. Indeed if many cars could go the timed route with just a little steering shaft R&R it will catch on. And more powah! Everyone likes that!
@Metalwolf7657 ай бұрын
I wonder if the timing discrepancies between expectation and reality have anything to do with the way the crank trigger was set up or how the cams were degreed in during the build vs. how the older engines were done.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
It would be crank shaft trigger related. Cam sensor does not effect timing. I never actually put a timing light on it. You could be onto something there.
@andrewnelson37337 ай бұрын
Piston shape effects the flame travel speed...the higher the engine...the greater the timing needed....it behaves more like a BBC with respect to timing.
@newtonfirefly35847 ай бұрын
False claim about effecting flame speed.Clear lack of knowledge within chemistry &a physics. In reality, The shape of the chamber will affect the flame travel [not speed] due to variable compression and air/mixture within the space. Good Luck
@newtonfirefly35847 ай бұрын
In reality, Only if the cam sensor and crank sensors have errors will there be a difference between other method of timing measurements which were commonly done via physical marks on the wheel using a timing strobe light. Also, such strobe light + timing marks have variability as clearly seen during those measurements too. All The Best
@victormackenzie-davis27117 ай бұрын
180 always like there advantages, even if minimal,then there is the sound how do you how do you put a price on that [awesome]. Just a thought
@michaelblacktree7 ай бұрын
They both sound great. But I think the 180-degree headers have more "cool factor."
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@gunsandmachinesenthusiast7 ай бұрын
Equal length always sound sick
@MarkReid-s4s7 ай бұрын
I really enjoy your guises videos. Thank you so much I like the 180 reminds me of hearing late models at the circle track, but I’m a guy that grew up in the 70s and 80s listening to old hot rods and I prefer your dad’s equal length sound probably cause I like the base of it through the 180 have a little bit higher wind sound to it if that makes sense. Thanks again for your videos.
@_Otaku-kt8be7 ай бұрын
I like the 180° headers but prefer equal length long tube headers.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
That's cool man!
@kyletice8117 ай бұрын
Would the stock DI system be worth anymore hp (power under the curve) on the mild 5.3 over retrofitting a wet/port injection on it? Where will the Gen V start to shine? as I see it a Gen 3 L33 with a cam would make similar numbers for significantly less cost.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
The DI is definitely worth some power. Probably about 30-40 HP. The Gen 5 engines have a lot of strength and reliability advantages over the LS. The heads are great too, but not great for flowing fuel through them.
@AustinRBa7 ай бұрын
Brian Tooley Racing has a good video covering that. Short answer is DI makes more power. Your intake charge is pure air, as opposed to 'conventional' systems having fuel taking up some of that precious space. More air = more power.
@FredAllenBurge7 ай бұрын
5.3s always make about tree fiddy👍
@quick4557 ай бұрын
A nice torqstorm would be perfect in that engine bay
@gregoryhughes7 ай бұрын
I still can’t get over you saying in-line 6’s sound better than V8’s in a previous video. That’s just insane
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I still think it. Sorry man. Lol
@genelong17487 ай бұрын
I agree with Calvin
@genelong17487 ай бұрын
Now if we could hear a 4200 with a manual trans, that would be super sweet
@prevost86867 ай бұрын
Beauty is in the ear of the beholder. I think that a 2-stroke Detroit Diesel is the most beautiful music I’ve ever heard but the next guy may think it’s just noise.
@SUPERPOWERPHIL7 ай бұрын
That car sounds amazing. Bigger cam and let it eat
@ALR747 ай бұрын
Yesterday I was worried when I realized you hadn’t posted in a month, and today you post. Glad to see you again with more excellent content. 😊
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. Needed a break. We should be back in full swing now.
@bertvisser64237 ай бұрын
neither one beats the sound of a angry 4200
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Agreed
@KCadbyRacing7 ай бұрын
I like your 180s simply because they do have that (less common) sound...
@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers7 ай бұрын
If that gen v sounds so good, you gonna need the loudest whiniest blower to go with it 😈
@diesel79037 ай бұрын
Rear mounted turbos. Or supercharger.
@jerrypolk59097 ай бұрын
l like your new inro.
@freeidaho-videos7 ай бұрын
A Roswell will cut your time by 0.2 seconds.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Not sure what that is.
@freeidaho-videos7 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson Rosler makes the very best competition automatic transmissions, some capable of up to 4000hp.
@edugj237 ай бұрын
I also thought of individual throttle bodies to improve N/A power, but that also seems too complex and too expensive for marginal gains. Supercharging probably is the way. About V8 sounds, Mercedes-AMG sent an unrestricted GT3 to Bathurst with the mission of beating the unofficial lap record there. The manufacturer did achieve the goal, but what (also) caught my attention is that the German 🇩🇪 beast sounds pretty much like a NASCAR. Not what you'd expect from an Euro sportscar, and the unexpected is beautiful.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I've never really liked ITBs. I always hear it was mainly a sound thing, which I've never really enjoyed, and they just seem like a tuning nightmare. I'll just stick a supercharger on it and see how that goes.
@GUE5TPA557 ай бұрын
180 and Nitrous please.
@95Sn957 ай бұрын
Is it my imagination or is 350whp kinda soft for a slightly modified 6.2? If add 15% that's only 402.5... am I correct 6.2 are rated at least bone stock 420hp net crank, that's factory manifolds, exhaust, accessories, emissions the whole kit n kabootle... Just asking I don't wanna seem like a keyboard critic, is there something I'm missing or have wrong.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
The 5.3 made 352. The 6.2 made 457
@lynntatro73747 ай бұрын
Have you ever seen a Vortec 4200 mated to a Mercury Cruiser outdrive for a boat application? DeBoss Garage is coupling a 6.2 LY6 to a Maxum 2100SD runabout boat.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I have not.
@wizardshome96867 ай бұрын
Get the heads ported - Allied Motor Parts - exchange or outright - reasonable prices A To B on an engine dyno 180 vs Std Stahl SBC = 8 to 12 BHP When you fix the collector/tail-pipe you get an added 12 to 15 BHP LS - Engines like close LSA Cams in the 106 to 110 range and because the heads have huge volume it isn''t necessary to have high duration cams but they do like high lift, which is difficult with hydraulic lifter systems - 500RWH is not uncommon
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Getting the heads ported isn't going to get me where I want to go. That's cool 8-12 is a lot Yeah. It's just the cam we had. We got it for basically free.
@prevost86867 ай бұрын
The 180 headers sound like old school NASCAR but from a practical standpoint they seem to be more difficult to work around should the need arise. I don’t think that I would want them on something that I had to wrench on regularly.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. They're really not that bad to work around, but to each their own.
@jackruss50567 ай бұрын
I believe you’re leaving a lot of horsepower opportunity by abandoning the DI. I wish you would have pursued the DI, just my wish😮
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
It's expensive to do so. We will on the 76 Nova
@Emilthehun7 ай бұрын
This is awesome! The 180 sounds like a new mustang
@theguy92347 ай бұрын
According to David Vizard. Equal length isnt always the best. Check his vids out.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yep. Seen it. We have our own twist on that. That's why the 76 Nova is getting unequal length headers.
@KarelBeelaertsvanBlokland7 ай бұрын
Race engineers are laughing at equal header length for V8! It looks obvious but isn't! Has to do with the firing order of the cylinders...
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Race engineers should go watch the video we did on unequal length headers, or the one where I talked about building the 180 degree headers.
@bluegizmo19837 ай бұрын
From what I've seen on other engines, VVT is really only for emissions and does NOT help add more HP, no matter how you try to tune the VVT. Does that hold true on these LS's as well?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
That is not true at all. You can greatly change the amount of power the engine makes at low and high RPM by optimizing the valve timing at different RPM levels. In our 6 cylinder testing we have gained as much as 50 hp with the only thing changing being cam angle. That being said, you could statically set the cam angle to be optimal where you plan to operate, and get a good result, but if you wish to get the most horsepower everywhere it is very useful.
@davidreed60707 ай бұрын
I don't think the LT engines will ever be what the LSs are. I think the heads are not up to snuff.yhey are designed to be a dry port.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I agree they are designed for a dry port, but they definitely have quite a few strength advantages over the LS.
@AdamOpheim7 ай бұрын
Why is the rpm so low for such a small cube engine? Are the heads really done? Or is the cam just not there? Did you want to keep the RPM low?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
The cam is just not there would be my guess. It's pretty mild.
@travisjones66457 ай бұрын
Did you do a DOD and you’re running an LT2 cam? I thought those only worked with DOD lifters?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I deleted the DOD. There is no such thing as a DOD only camshaft. I'm still running the VVT.
@ericschumacher51897 ай бұрын
In a previous video I made a comment (same as below) based on you mentioning you wanted to refine the 180-degree headers sound characteristic as much as possible, but you were very pleased with the sound of the end-result currently. I like the sound the Studebaker has now, but I think some of the ideas below may further refine the "wail / scream," of your custom creation.....just some thoughts. I figured you may have interest in your quest for sound. I have read and seen some evidence the the closer that the two banks of 180-deg. headers merge together, and the steeper the angle they merge together at, the more audible the higher frequencies become / the more muted the lower frequencies become.......to be succinct; I think an X-pipe turned perpendicular to the axis it would normally be used, placed very closely to collectors (ie: under the transmission), using an in/out from 1-side as of the X-pipe as both inlets, then the corresponding in/out from the other side of the X-pipe as both outlets could really amplify the tones your shooting for with 180-deg. headers........additionally if you have seen some of the "anti-reversion-chamber-mufflers" on the market from companies like Schoenfeld, Hendren, Dynatech, & ProFab, these are a bit like a "sound-diode" if looked at outside of what there primary function should be. On circle track cars you can really tell the difference in the smoothing of the exhaust note when installed, and I'd venture to guess if one was installed on each header collector (before the X-pipe mentioned-above), it could have similar effect of not allowing as many returning pulses collide in the X-pipe, muting lower frequency sounds........lastly your probably aware of the anti-drone devices used on high-end axle back exhaust systems, where a capped off piece of pipe is intersects the exhaust system to function as a Helmholtz resonator. If your familiar with its function, you can see that it being capped vs. connected to the other pipe (in a dual exhaust system) can cancel full-order vs. 1/2-order frequencies, therefore having an H-pipe located near the very end/tips of the exhaust system could potentially alter the sound (better/worse) depending if connected vs. 2-capped sections of pipe with internal volume, for a particular frequency you want to cancel / amplify..... All the best; I appreciate your content 😎👍🏁
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Good Tips. I may have to try a few. I tried a quarter wave resonator on my Wagon. Didn't really work as well as I was hoping.
@kraftzion7 ай бұрын
I think David Vizards formula would spec about 112 lca for max hp in that 6.2.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I don't doubt it.
@curvs4me7 ай бұрын
Were you talking about ramping cam to negative degrees on the Stude ? I'm assuming you definitely know cam timing and rpm level torque are inversely related? A good starting point would be a ramp from +3 to -5 degrees from 0-8000 rpm if 8 degrees is your range. I believe the LT1 has 60 degrees range without a limiter installed. Comp has 20 degree limiter. From your peak power at 0 degrees, you can tell there's more to be had by retarding the cam less than zero. The higher timing advance may be a factor of having the cam too advanced at higher rpm reducing cylinder filling and compression by extension. Lower dynamic compression = more spark advance.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I'm retarding the cam timing with RPM. Pretty sure it is 50 degrees of range. As you saw in the video we tried 5, then 8, and was too far. No limiter is required on this. The cam is not large enough to be worried about ptv clearance. It is fully adjustable and tunable on the fly.
@drwombat7 ай бұрын
You said a mod shop added port injection to the intake? Or was it already there and they improved upon it? I went and looked up a video demoing this intake as a bolt on swap for other engines and it appeared to already have port injection... My eyes may be deceiving me however
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
The Gen 5 engines are Direct injected. The intakes don't have injector provisions. Mast Motorsports sells the intakes with epoxied on injector bungs, injectors and fuel rails.
@ST8KFINGER7 ай бұрын
Calvin, whats your guess on 1/4 mile time in a gutted rcsb 2wd silverado with a 2006 4200/ar5 with a 4.10 gear?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
NA or turbo. What does it weigh?
@ST8KFINGER7 ай бұрын
Na, I'm guessing just under 4000#. Curb weight is 4100 stock with a 4.3/nv3500
@griffinfaulkner35147 ай бұрын
The 180-degree headers sound decent, but my favorite is still equal-length into the shortest X-pipe you can manage. Probably the best example of what am X-pipe does to the sound is Ryan Tuerk's Formula Supra, if you compare the sound of that thing to any of the prototypes that run the same engine without an X-pipe, it has a very distinctive shriek to it that's unlike anything I've ever heard.
@AraCarrano7 ай бұрын
Are Hub mounted Dynos just not as popular here in the USA.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
There are a few around. They usually cost a lot more, and only really are required for big HP stuff.
@eddiebailey62507 ай бұрын
Could you do a video on radiator sizing vs hp vs air flow fan types and spacing. drag and drive based.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
We could talk about it in one of our build series coming up. In general go as big as possible is almost always my recommendation. The fan is way more important than people realize too.
@bentdime63337 ай бұрын
Curious to see if the 8 to 1 header(s?) make a difference compared to a step header or tri-y type etc. Keep up the good work
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I would bet the horsepower gain would be minimal... The sound though...
@bladenrexroth25557 ай бұрын
180° with a TorqStorm supercharger?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Maybe...
@CapablePimento7 ай бұрын
Deflagration press channel. Nice
@stellingbanjodude7 ай бұрын
Do a LT head swap on an LS, with the BTR cam you can make over 600 HP
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I'd rather have the LT block because it has a better oiling system and a much stronger block.
@bvward7 ай бұрын
Calvin, I prefer the sound of the 180° header...
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Me too
@DANOBILL7 ай бұрын
Looking forward to seeing it supercharged it’s gonna be awesome
@macattack13927 ай бұрын
That was a different intro
@stevec52807 ай бұрын
From a "cool" aspect, I like the 180 headers. It's unique and definitely has a hell of a sound. From a real world perspective though, I think the equal length would be my choice. Just packing and maintenance feel easier. Not to mention it's got a hell of a whisky drinkin, back alley knife fight, tone. Also I'm curious if you considered nitrous for the Studebaker. If you're looking for 200 or less extra grunt, a relatively simple nitrous throttle body plate could get you there. While being minimally invasive and the least amount of weight to the car.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I've thought about it a few times. Just don't like filling bottles. That's why I refuse to go to CO2 boost control on our turbo cars either.
@stevec52807 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson Fair, nitrous is easy but it's also frequent maintenance. Blower or turbo is more work up front but way less to maintain. Recently saw Steve Morris go through the Torque Storm factory. Maybe a healthy little centrifugal is what the doctor ordered. 🤙
@Smokey720137 ай бұрын
180* headers sound sweet. Reminds me of ksr did the 8 into 1 header deal also sounded sweet But the old nova sure sounded violent once you got the timing in it.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yessir.
@christopherhorner93807 ай бұрын
How's that Northstar project coming along?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Slowly but surely. We've been focusing on another project you'll see soon, but we have a solid plan for the Northstar, so sooooon.
@CITYBORNDESERTBRED7 ай бұрын
Both sound wicked. Gonna need another comparison outside the shop.. for science
@BigRedRocketScience7 ай бұрын
Torque storm? Dual torque storms? Whipple?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
We have an LT4 that would be perfect for what I want to do.
@CapablePimento7 ай бұрын
They both sound good, but Im a fan of the road less traveled. V8 burble, Harley twins, Cummins diesels, etc. Just kinda over it. Gimme somethin new.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Go check out our Northstar, or Atlas engine builds.
@CapablePimento7 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson i follow all your builds man. Out of the box is your thing and I love it!
@xozindustries74517 ай бұрын
Have you guys ever tried centrifugal superchargers? Might be neat on the 5.3. I love the sound of the 189 degree headers, I’d like to see back to back tests on the studebaker between 180 and equal length, not easy or inexpensive unfortunately
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I intended this to be more of a sound comparison. That would be a difficult comparison to coordinate. I'd love to do a Centrifugal Supercharger. Never messed with one.
@GrandPitoVic7 ай бұрын
I like them both. I am working on my first Ls swap. Ls3/6L90 in a 03'Crown Vic Police Interceptor. I am running a Redhot cam from BTR with matched springs. It's a 221/24X .617 .619 113 LSA.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Nice!
@FastSheetGarage7 ай бұрын
Love equal length. The only thing that sounds better is 8 to 1 equal. But that’s a completely different sound, and is no small task to build.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. Personally I like the 180 sounds better than a 8 into 1. They're really hard to package too.
@FastSheetGarage7 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson your 180s are packaged so well though. The average Joe would be none the wiser.
@jacobpasco86237 ай бұрын
You can definitely put in a bigger cam with stock pistons btr and Texas speed both offer much bigger cams than a lt2 cam that have piston to valve clearance also Texas speed has cam kits with everything you need for a bigger cam for less than a thousand bucks
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. I could, and it might reach my goals. Orrrr... I could put a supercharger on it and make sure that it will meet my goals.
@newtonfirefly35847 ай бұрын
Also a change with fuel to using alcohol increases power significantly. True E-85= 85%ethanol => +100 HP also with far less carbon deposits + far more consistent power; ethanol = C2H6=CH3-CH3 methanol = CH4 also consider nitro-methane added as Phong with Brent [PFI Speed] Also adding higher energy/voltage spark increases burning efficiency Also with LS/LT, Vortec, Northstar VVT adjustments Best complete ÉCU is FuelTech along with less expense. All The Best
@justinmalbrough37547 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on this intake compared to a tbss intake?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I'm assuming you are talking about the Nova. It will lose some lower end torque, but pick up power with the Victor Junior.
@joshlewis50657 ай бұрын
Need to test 8-1 equal length next
@angelobauza39647 ай бұрын
Hey do you have a engine installation kit for that swap, my brother has a 65 he is working on
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
No unfortunately we do not, but with some SBC mounts and the plates for the LT, you might be able to adapt it pretty easy. 65 should already have the SBC mounts if it was a V8 car
@angelobauza39647 ай бұрын
We have a 455 Buick engine in it and stupid me l just remembered that he had a 93 Vette suspension put in the car so yes it should work well
@javiermoruno46707 ай бұрын
Yeah supercharged.
@dontdowhatido65037 ай бұрын
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VID. HELL YEA LOVE YOUR VIDS MAN!!!
@davidpawson73937 ай бұрын
That unique sound even on this cheap phone gives me goosebumps.
@nsrvtqc7 ай бұрын
Cheap phone. Smh
@frankensteincreations47407 ай бұрын
Wow 😯 The studebaker is going to run 2-3 tenths quicker I bet… that’s a lot of meat through the curve… 👍🤘👏 I’d love to pick your brain on a Holley terminator x project I’m about to do… Putting a big and ugly on my wagon,… The Joe blo hidden injector system I bought uses a 9th injector in the rear… terminator x only has 8 drivers. I thought as long as there’s not too much amp draw, I’d just piggyback the 9th one in on one of the others. Basically one channel will have two injectors on it… Terrible idea, but what else can I do?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Hm. Not sure that will be ok. The Terminator Injector Drivers don't support a low impendence injector. Two High Impedance Injectors in parallel would be like one low impedance. I would hate to see you blow up a driver.
@frankensteincreations47407 ай бұрын
Well poop 😬@@Calvin-Nelson
@frankensteincreations47407 ай бұрын
Guess so… since parallel connected, 12 ohm, and 12 ohm, resistance would be half of one… only 6 ohm… which is low impedance… series connected and it’s 24 ohms… I guess I’ll have to measure the exact ohm of the injectors I’m going to use, and see what they are… @@Calvin-Nelson
@baddbradd897 ай бұрын
I LOVE THIS CAR
@larsjrgensen59757 ай бұрын
The dyno starts look violent, any reason for not starting 500 RPM before and roll on power instead of slamming the throttle?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
I don't see any reason to do that. If you're talking about the Nova. The torque converter is going to do what it does. The Stude we actually started lower, but I didn't plot those points.
@larsjrgensen59757 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson I was mostly thinking about unneeded strain on the running gear, the entire car jumps around. If it had more power the tires might brake loose from the sudden 0-400 torque by slamming the pedal to the floor instantly, instead of a 1 second ramp to full and letting weight transfer to the back before full power is applied. There should not be any difference in the dyno chart by starting out a bit earlier and softer, because the engine would be at full throttle at the plot beginning RPM as the throttle slam start anyway.
@Drunken_Hamster7 ай бұрын
116 isn't THAT tight. It's the duration paired with 116 that causes a lot of overlap that makes it seem tight. At least according to DV's cam theory. Anyway, IDR if I mentioned it in another video, but what would be really cool to try is an 8-4-1 180-degree header set. The only downside is the primaries are long as hell (as you mention in the 180 build vid) so adding secondaries to that might make the overall situation worse. This leads to my second, but much harder(?) to implement idea of a flatplane crank V8 with two 4-2-1 headers, but instead of merging the secondaries separately, each side's "2" all come together into a big 4-1 section. Lastly, I kinda wanna see you guys run a centrifugal setup. Something loud, too, like a straight cut+cog drive SC with a 5-blade splitter compressor wheel. And then for even more whine/whistle do a gear-driven cam, too.
@Drunken_Hamster7 ай бұрын
Oh, and both your setups sound and run fantastically.
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. We will see what I can do on the Supercharger. Flat plane would be cool too. I'd sooner do a Hot V cross plane.
@Drunken_Hamster7 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson Hot-V crossplane would make the 8-4-1 even pulse header MUCH easier to do with usable primary and secondary lengths. Could also do even-pulse 8-4 with twin, twin-scroll turbochargers, or an even-pulse 8-4-2 into a single, BIG twin-scroll turbo. (Just so we're clear "even-pulse" = 180-deg/flat plane equivalent firing)
@ZackNakazora17 ай бұрын
We could go boost. Or.. Or hear me out.. Cubes. 😅
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. Won't get me my 500whp without some serious effort I think.
@AbstractDreamz7 ай бұрын
Swap the 5.3 gen5 block with the 6.6 liter L8T or the new L8P crate motor!
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
That would be cool. Would be more affordable and probably sound cooler to just supercharge it.
@AbstractDreamz7 ай бұрын
1.3 additional liters.... Win!
@trevman1877 ай бұрын
More cam duration would solve that easily. Cheaper than forced induction
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Yeah. It won't meet my goals. I already know that. The aftermarket cams that I see would be worth about 40hp at the most. I need significantly more than that.
@trevman1877 ай бұрын
@Calvin-Nelson I'm probably missing something in your setup but, a good friend of mine has a full size truck that ran low 12s at like 5k lbs intake exhaust cam/tune no vvt though
@christophershafer56157 ай бұрын
Can you make 180° headers if you use six Y pipes and cross over the appropriate pulse?
@Calvin-Nelson7 ай бұрын
Kind of. Hoonigan did video on a kit you can buy for a C6 Corvette that does what you are saying.
@christophershafer56157 ай бұрын
@@Calvin-Nelson Seems easier to cross over the pipes after all of the obstructions around the engine? I want to see data on that Borla Y-cross thing they did on the Rolls Royce build.
@knowbull5hit5907 ай бұрын
This is the video ive been waiting for from you guys in every way lol