I can PROVE Father Alvin is The Roaring Knight [Deltarune Theory]

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• Deltarune OST - Green ...
• Your Name Please
• Pandora Palace
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• DELTARUNE Chapter 2 ( ...

[@Research_Pod]

This is an excerpt of mine from a reply to a comment but I'm pinning it here because it expands the theory a bit. "I think what I meant to imply is that Alvins justification for opening Fountains, which could put others in danger, is that he BELIEVES it's what his Father Gerson would've wanted, and his end goal is summoning The Angel, so he has religious motivation. It's not confirmed and is a little fan fic esc but if we assume that Gaster has employed The Knight as he has corrupted Jevil and Spamton/set the world of Deltarune up, I could see Alvin being told by whatever strange, melted, ripped up omnipotent form Gaster is currently in to open the Fountains and cause The Roaring so that The Angel may appear, similar to how (If we assume Gaster wrote The Legend which is HIGHLY possible if not confirmed depending on how you look at it) that Alvin is the chosen one, destined to bring upon The Angel with the divine knowledge and power of Fountain creation, just how Kris Susie and Ralsei are destined heroes to stop The Roaring with Kris's ability to seal The Fountains with their SOUL."

[@megaraptoran1990]

The problem is that the Angel Alvin wants to bring in this theory is associated with light: "Let the Angel's power light your way"

[@Patrick11nf]

​@@megaraptoran1990True, that doesn't fit well if Gaster is the Angel. It would fit better if we are the Angel, since we are literally filled with the power of light and called Lightbringer at one point. (The other Angel suspect is Noelle, not sure what's up with that.) Another simple motivation for Alvin, along with his love for his stories, could be to try and bring Gerson back in some way.

[@theminiyosshi2901]

I’d like to add on a bit more, in the legend that Ralsei says, the heroes will only appear at the edge of the end of the world. If it’s only recent that they start shutting down dark fountains, that means that the Knight (ie Alvin) has been setting this up for a long time, ergo it’s highly likely (as you state in the video) that him dedicating his life to the religion to bring The Angel as true

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

Pod: i have proven father alvin is THE knight! The other 3 knights on the chess board: allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@tornado4376]

Ooh I love the idea of there having been four knights all along actually 👀

[@malinok4889]

Oh god what if that's actually true

[@pineappleudh6561]

Yeah considering the chess themes I'm guessing there will be 4 "knights" I imagine the "knights" will be people who open dark fountains so we have Kris and ??? (I could see Noelle being a good candidate to open a fountain) as the knights on one side of the board and the roaring knight and ??? on the other side.

[@HatCephalopods7689]

four knights? this might actually be kinda similar to chapter one's four kings in some way

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

@HatCephalopods7689 so would that mean that the angel shunned away 3 of the knights and put the roaring knight into power?

[@Flynnisthename]

You know as a person who’s willing to die on their own knight hill, I highly respect how ready you are to say that you’re 100% confident in this even if I disagree

[@Barakon]

5:36 His mom is the head librarian! She must have given him some spare keys!

[@jfb-]

fun fact: alvin is the same height to the pixel as the computer lab closet

[@Dracandre]

I reckon he'll be a chapter boss; The Bishop

[@matti.8465]

From a writing perspective, it's clear the main players of Deltarune are the new characters (Susie, Ralsei, Noelle, most likely Catti), while the returning Undertale characters play more supporting roles. Alvin is one of the few new adult characters in town, he's bound to be important for that very reason.

[@okmedina]

Research pod, as the number one Father Alvin fan, youre getting a golden star. FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS THE LORD TITLE! AT the very least, if he is not the knight (i think so) the lord title passes down to the first some. LORDS can KNIGHT people. Alvin could very well have KNIGHTED whoever it is. And also- the whole text idea of Alvin not having a talking sprite is insane. Monster kid is a vital part of all the runs in UNDERTALE, i see no reason as to why a character without a talking sprite is not important! (Love your videos Research Pod!)

[@Research_Pod]

Us Alvin Knight fans need to stick together so we can point and laugh in 2080 when Chapter 5 comes out and we have bragging rights

[@okmedina]

@Research_Pod Father Alvin deniers when they realize the holy light of the angel will protect them and banish all evil 🤯

[@superlagbro192]

Alvinheads rise up

[@PlayerCarter.]

That communion line is actually such good evidence. I believe Alvin Knight even more now.

[@user-wl5bp3jj6g]

Yeah here's an essay... Honestly, I don't think the communion line is *that* great of evidence, I'll briefly explain here. Spamton as we most likely all know by now, is basically the personification of a spam email. Spam emails often use religion to scam people (For example, one might say something along the lines of: "If you really believe in x god, you should donate x amount of money to me!" Or whatever, even through its obviously a scam.) And because the word communion is in brackets in that specific part of Spamton's dialogue, it's kinda like one of those glitchy ad thingys that Spamton does because he talks funny and stuff, you know what I mean. Basically what I'm trying to say is, there's a good chance that the usage of the word "communion" in that part of Spamton's dialogue has a good chance of not really being related to the knight and instead one of those ad excerpts or whatever. Of course this doesn't disprove this theory or anything, and isn't even a fully solid counter arguement, its still worth putting out there. Please dont take this the wrong way though, If I sounded rude while writing this I didn't intend to. (I've seen people get *so* *mad* over me discussing my opinion in replies.) Also, if you reply to this reply, there's a very teeny tiny chance that I will see it let alone respond because I literally never check these anymore lol. (That's my fault)

[@regilad_9043]

I would also like to point out that flowey also lacked a talking sprite, yet he was the main antagonist in undertale

[@undertraveler]

WHEN did he NOT have one?

[@regilad_9043]

@undertraveler every time he talked in the overworld, the closest he gets to having one is when he turns into asriel, but at that point, he's not even flowey anymore, so I don't count it

[@undertraveler]

@@regilad_9043 what are you on about? Look up any footage of the first five minutes of Undertale and you'll see that he has a dialogue portrait every time he speaks in the overworld. Are you blind?

[@Patrick11nf]

I'm also uncertain of what you mean. When thinking of important characters without portraits, I would say Jevil and Spamton. I guess their excuse is that they're only supposed to show up and talk in one chapter so they don't get one?

[@regilad_9043]

@undertraveler ok so yeah, im an idiot, idk it's been like a year sense I last played undertale, I forgot flowey had a text face, that said, u can still think of characters that are important that don't have text faces, like chara, monster kid, mettaton, jevil, spamton, ect. I just picked flowey cause he'd tge most important and my brain wasn't working

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Congrats on having fixed your mic the audio volume sounds way better now than before

[@Barakon]

2:58 Lords of the hammer is probably based off of lords of the RING! Meaning the hammer might be used as a source of dark if not evil powers like THE RING!

[@marioluigibros.8176]

i can't believe the hocotate ship is an alvin knight believer

[@GameJam230]

5:17 That is an abstract squidward painting and you know it

[@Pikmini]

The editing is amazing!! It's a huge step up! This is also the theory I believe in the most when it comes to The Knight, and the way you've organised all the evidence into one video only makes everything seem more believable. As usual, keep it up!

[@wroll2266]

This is one of the best knight theories. I’ve never seen that Spamton line mentioned before. Genuinely fantastic and I now think it’s Alvin good job.

[@averagejoe51423]

the video being in greyscale gave me a thought, since the roaring will flood the light world with darkness, you gotta wonder if you'll encounter goners during that time

[@Research_Pod]

Noelle has a blog post on Deltarune.com that references Hometown becoming grey, and her being circled by what we have figured out to be the Goners from Undertale by her fathers grave. She also mentions a tall black figure appearing next to a figure that looks like Kris but wasn’t them…..maybe The Roaring will be a Light World wide Gonering Edit: Well this was embarrassing lmao. Not deleting the comment though cause it’s funny I essentially fell for a “I remember your Genocides” post

[@user-by1xd9sl7u]

@@Research_Pod where? why is nobody talking about this? huh?!

[@jcoxeye9200]

I am almost certain this is not a thing. I cannot imagine this would have gone under the radar for so long despite the immensely thorough searching of the sweepstakes; I've seen people dig up newsletter files before the the newsletter came out, I've seen people make diagrams showing every page and link in the sweepstakes, and I witnessed firsthand during the launch of the sweepstakes where people datamined all the pages before they were even supposed to be seen, and I have never heard reference to this. To be blunt, I don't think this is true, and you should definitely make sure to visit the page in question before treating it as canon. P.S., apologies if this came off as harsh; I just wanted to make it clear that I'm certain this isn't true.

[@megaraptoran1990]

​@@Research_Podthat's the fake blogpost i made

[@SSL_2004]

Spamton and Jevil also lack talking sprites, despite having every reason to have them, and Mettaton lacked one until his EX transformation, so it really doesn't mean anything as a reasonable counter argument.

[@SSL_2004]

(On the note of Mettaton, his talk sprite can literally only be seen post pacifist or during the 2 specific endings where Mettaton becomes the ruler of the underground, because he doesn't speak in the overworld in his EX form at any other point. Mettaton is literally a main character and yet this is still the case. Talk sprites don't mean crap. Lol)

[@rawquikh0ney710]

He kinda has that angle statue look where their eyes are closed and looking down

[@user-id3fc8qs7y]

8:30 Kris's pencil turns into sword because it is straight, like a blade. And a hammer looks really more like some axe or big battle hammer, totally not like a blade, because their shape is very different

[@mr.cschaosworkshop4100]

This is really well thought out, I never even considered Alvin as an option but this does make a good bit of sense! I can’t wait for the upcoming chapters, I’ve loved undertale and everything tangent to it for nearly 8 years now so seeing it still live on so strongly is such a nice sight to see

[@stray1239]

guys I found the knight its on the floor in the supply closet at the start of chapter 2

[@Patrick11nf]

I like the JoJo mention at the end. I'm sure Queen is a bit of a JoJo reference already, so it would be funny if Alvin would be one too. Some points I'd like to bring up, that I don't remember hearing you bring up in this video: - You did mention that his father was a smith, but this also means that it wouldn't be strange for him to have owned some kind of blade too. - About the closet in the computer lab, where the Knight (supposedly) hid themselves, theorists have found out that Alvin seems to be the only Lightner that exactly fits the size of the closet. Might be a coincidence, but it's interesting nonetheless. - The subtle hints that Gerson may have created, or at least visited dark worlds when he was still alive. Considering this, Alvin knowing about dark worlds would be nothing strange. - Lord of the Hammer also connects Alvin to the Library. The books can be found at the Library and is also something Alvin talks about at the end of the chapter.

[@FoxGG411]

Not read this yet, but... *Enrico Alvin and Made In Heaven?*

[@Patrick11nf]

@@FoxGG411 Yeah, I think I even saw some fanart of that at some point.

[@Yaaaarg]

THERE I AM GARY THERE I AM!!! Seriously though I can't thank you enough for mentioning me lol. This is like the most amount of publicity i've ever gotten outside of friends in servers im in. classic research pod W

[@Pikmini]

common research pod W real

[@CGFillertext]

This video definitely solidifies it for me, I really love the idea of Knight!Alvin and I want it to come true I’d also like to point out that Alvin says the Angel religion doesn’t believe in sin. I think this is very intentional on Toby’s part to make Alvin a more sympathetic and nuanced antagonist if/when he does turn out to be the Knight

[@badman5539]

Honestly I don’t even need evidence Alvin just looks like the kind of guy to be the knight..

[@Barakon]

6:05 his MOM lol

[@Panet0nsumletterz]

I agree that Kris being the knight doesn't logically make sense but it seems super weird to me for Toby to tease that and just make it a red herring. It's a very interesting story, you are controlling the antagonist and acting against their will turning them into the protagonist, how cool is that? It would be weird to tease something so interesting and then just be like "sike!" Although this still makes a lot of sense thematically, "blending fiction and reality" is the thing that gives this the most credit since that seems to be the theme of deltarune, to me it always seemed like the dark worlds are symbolic for fiction and the roaring symbolizes how revolving your life around fiction/escapism too much could destroy you, maybe Alvin is trying to honor Gerson's legacy by blending fiction and reality to a whole new level

[@BakerBones]

i like the theory that there are many knights making dark worlds for different reasons such as kris, alvin, etc

[@manslaughter3180]

It's also possible that Ms. Boom is Alvin's mother or perhaps even a sister as "Ms." is a term used for an undetermined marital status. Whoever she is, she's related to Alvin. God, this is actually such an interesting theory because what if it explains Ralsei? Spitballing something rn: what if Kris made Ralsei when younger, left the drawing at the church, then Alvin brought the drawing into the supply closet? Another option: what if Ralsei is some (un)holy amalgamate of Asriel and Kris with a higher purpose given unto him by Alvin? Alvin being the Knight is absolutely the most compelling Knight theory, at least to me. I just really love the conflict and narrative it would present.

[@Research_Pod]

On the Ralsei thing, we know Kris felt like the odd one out in the family being the only human, which led to them wearing those fake red horns as a kid, it’s possible Kris left those horns in the school by accident and as such it was brought to life in the Pure Dark Fountain by Alvin/(The Knight), adding onto the theory that Ralsei is Kris’s “Ideal self”

[@friskfriskfrisk]

this is a really great video, i just wanna point out alvin doesnt "discard sin" because sin doesnt exist in their religion :-p thats all this was rly informative and interesting!

[@fan.of.nintendo]

Deltarune is a solved game

[@Sparkling34]

5:50 Ms. Boom doesn't need to be Alvin's wife. It could be Alvin's mother or sister or any other female relative

[@matti.8465]

For some reason I'm pretty confident she's supposed Gerson's wife and Alvin's mother.

[@mojoe04]

this is so solid why does it have such little views

[@flawlessgaming1871]

the turtling in chess connection is pretty weak in my opinion, the connection with everything about what Alvin says at the grave and the subtle connections around the town about him and what toby mentions in the classroom is far more interesting and might actually be something. everyone is so caught up with the king and the queen and the idea of a knight all relating to chess and looking way too much into it when theres way more interesting stuff going on like all of the things Noelle says about ice-e and what is with the theme of the pink and yellow eyes that spamton and the friend has

[@friskfriskfrisk]

Gerson Boom was named after a smash bros match in which the players were turtling

[@probablyjustsnails]

I’ve seen like , countless deltarune theories at this point and this is the only one that actually feels like a cohesive cover of a concept thrown around a lot in the community. Fantastic job dude!! Finally this theory makes sense to me, and I could totally see it happening. I also wanted to add to the point of Alvin creating the darkworld in the school/old classroom. Don’t King and Seam have lines about their world being created long ago?? People have chalked this up to darkness giving characters backstory, but maybe King’s whole thing about being locked away for so long was that he was created by Alvin when he went to that school (hence the picture), and was locked away once they stopped using the classroom, giving him years to overthrow the other kings, and not just having it happen overnight. It would also explain why Lancer doesn’t seem to realize his dad had to overthrow other people to get where he is; in his mind, he was just always the primary prince of card kingdom.

[@Research_Pod]

Yeah. I give Card Kingdom a pass because the fact the Great Door in Castle Town (School closet) leads to it means that the closet and abandoned classroom fountains were opened around the same time, I could see maybe time passes differently in the Dark Worlds? Like a year in the Light World is 100 years in the Dark Worlds? Although then again the Computer Lab Dark Fountain was most likely (could also have been opened before we don’t know) opened while The Knight was inside the closet, so Cyber World having all this backstory with Spamton’s downfall, King and Queen knowing each other, etc, is weird

[@probablyjustsnails]

@@Research_Pod oh hi! Thanks for replying :D I feel like you’re definitely onto something. The cybercity darkworld/computer lab history also has me confused... I feel like we just don’t have enough info about how darkness works at this point to know how king and queen knew each other :P But I’d love to see a theory on that, and how their/dark worlds connect, if you have any thoughts or ever need ideas x] I also just wanted to tack on at the end here that reading your comment made me wonder how old Gerson and Alvin actually are/were. They are based on turtles after all :0 And if I remember correctly, in undertale, the reason Gerson knew so much was because he was like, one of the oldest surviving monsters. (“I've been around a long time. Maybe too long. Studying history sure is easy when you've lived through so much of it yourself! Wa ha ha!” -from the undertale wiki) Just something I thought was noteworthy since we’re on the topic of how much time passes between the light world and dark. For all we know Gerson could’ve been like 100 idk 🥸 meaning if alvin is older than we think, King might’ve been locked away for waayyyyy longer than we thought even without time working weird in the dark worlds

[@Research_Pod]

@@probablyjustsnails oh you’re right I didn’t even think about the fact Gerson and Alvin could be SUPER old

[@kingmidasxynopyt]

I think I’m 400th sub, or 399. Can’t wait for you to get famous (I’m gon check ur other stuff)

[@Its_Dylando]

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[@endervalentine9588]

Very interesting theory, I definitely think Alvin is a strong candidate. Just saying though, I don’t know if Ms. Boom is the librarian, or if Berdly just has multiple afterschool jobs. After all, Berdly rushes off in a hurry saying he’s going to be late, which he wouldn’t need to do if he was just going into the next room. Also we don’t see him in the library when exiting after that scene. It’s possible but shouldn’t be taken for granted, remember Berdly is a huge overachiever so it’s not out of the question. Though her being the librarian would tie into her relative being a famous author… Also, I think I’m going to need a stronger motivation from Alvin than spreading happiness through fiction to continue his father’s legacy. If the knight’s motive is that flimsy, the party could just be like “hey this is going to end the world” and the knight would be like “oh shit my bad, better stop.” No fault on your theory though, stuff is obviously being foreshadowed with Alvin but there aren’t enough solid details to establish a clear motive yet. The communion thing in particular is pretty interesting, I’d never considered the line in that context before. I think the angel most likely represents the player, it would be a little weird if everyone in hometown started worshipping Noelle lmao

[@Research_Pod]

True, Noelle has Angel symbolism all over it, but Toby also intentionally red herringed us twice into thinking Kris was a Chara like character at the end of Chapter 1, and making us think they're The Knight for a moment at the end of Chapter 2, so Noelle being so bluntly called "Angel" and having Angel stuff in Rudy's room does feel a LITTLE on the nose to the point where she may be symbolically an Angel in the narrative (Being forced to wear a ring of thorns tying back to an object like a crown of thorns, her white/light grey shading being used for the Angel shape in the Delta Rune on Kris's Castle Town room floor showing the three triangles represent them, Susie, and Ralsei, etc) but I do like the idea of The Player as The Angel, especially with how "HEAVEN" seems to tie to Freedom somehow (Could be the game window/PC/Console being a barrier from characters like Jevil, Spamton, Gaset, etc coming to the "real" world). I think what I meant to imply is that Alvins justification for opening Fountains, which could put others in danger, is that he BELIEVES it's what his Father Gerson would've wanted, and his end goal is summoning The Angel, so he has religious motivation. It's not confirmed and is a little fan fic esc but if we assume that Gaster has employed The Knight as he has corrupted Jevil and Spamton/set the world of Deltarune up, I could see Alvin being told by whatever strange, melted, ripped up omnipotent form Gaster is currently in to open the Fountains and cause The Roaring so that The Angel may appear, similar to how (If we assume Gaster wrote The Legend which is HIGHLY possible if not confirmed depending on how you look at it) that Alvin is the chosen one, destined to bring upon The Angel with the divine knowledge and power of Fountain creation, just how Kris Susie and Ralsei are destined heroes to stop The Roaring with Kris's ability to seal The Fountains with their SOUL. Sorry for the yap session I just find the Knight stuff really interesting

[@endervalentine9588]

@@Research_Pod yeah! I feel like it could definitely go into religious motivations, since the roaring is literally called the “angel’s heaven” in the prophecy, and Alvin worships the angel. I don’t know if I’m 100% convinced of Alvin being the knight, but I definitely wouldn’t be shocked, there’s a decent amount of evidence. wrt Noelle, she’s definitely linked to angel stuff, but I’d like to note it’s a lot more overt in the weird route (the stuff you mentioned like the thorn ring), in which she being basically guided by the player and sharpened into a tool for killing. Though there are more references to it like the doll and saying she’d sprout angel wings on the ferris wheel ride. Though the doll was made for church, so it doesn’t necessarily link Noelle to the angel any more than, say, Asriel and Kris, who also made giant angel wings for the same project. I don’t know, I find the dichotomy of angel/devil, light/dark to be SUPER fascinating in Deltarune. It’s all a bit vague and up in the air. If too many fountains are made, creating darkness, why does that = the ANGEL’s heaven? What connection, if any, does Noelle have to the angel and the prophecy? What’s the meaning of Jevil’s devil motif? Does the angel from dr connect at all to the angel in undertale? I mean, THAT angel could be chara but they also refer to themself as a demon, which is pretty fascinating when you remember that demons are just angels who have fallen. Why is Gaster connected to the devil, through his stats being all 6s? Does this implicitly position him against the angel in the narrative? What are the religious beliefs of hometown, do they have any idea what it is they’re actually worshipping? Why does Jevil say “hell’s roar bubbles from the depths” after you defeat him, if the roaring was previously referenced alongside the “angel’s heaven”? Is there actually any functional difference between heaven and hell imagery???? …That got away from me a little. It seems you’re not the only one proficient at yapping.

[@Patrick11nf]

@@endervalentine9588 The light/dark dichotomy is really interesting, while also making everything even more confusing. This can even be seen with the dark fountains. Like you mentioned about Jevil calling it "Hell's Roar" and the dark fountains spreading darkness when created. But then on the other side, within the dark worlds, the dark fountains instead look very bright, the theme playing is "THE HOLY" and we have king even calling them "holy fountains". There's also us, the player. We seem to cast light that dispels the darkness and King calls us "Lightbringer". But Lightbringer is also a name for Lucifer and we were summoned to Deltarune by mr.666. Even brings into question what parts of the Legend is about darkness and light, "Hell" or "Heaven". The Legend could be interpreted as the Roaring and Angel's Heaven being separate and the dark fountains look slightly different in some parts of the legend (what perspective are they shown from?)

[@hubwubsushigames1774]

There's a lot of things in this video that are interesting, but I do have some problems with this theory 1. Librarby closet debait aside, I'm not sure there's any evidence that The Knight is the one who closed the closet door in Chapter 1 2. While Kris's pencil does turn into a sword when he enters the dark world, a hammer turning into a knife feels like too drastic of a change 3. The 'discarding sin' is a bit of stretch, especially since the other Gaster followers are discarded, not those who discard 4. What does Alvin get out of making fountains? As in, how exactly is this expanding his father's legacy? 5. As far as I've seen, there's no actual evidense that The Knight entered any of the dark worlds (Seam never says The Knight was the one who locked the kings away, only that it happened after he "appeared"(Which could just mean he appeared to make the fountain)

[@Research_Pod]

1. True, I see no reason another student or a teacher like perhaps even Toriel herself couldn’t have closed it when walking by. 2. Also fair enough, although Susie gets a battle axe out of carrying nothing so I could see the hammer turning into a blade/knife/some kind of long weapon with a sharp blade like segment to it still being possible, maybe a scythe? 3. I will also admit the discarding sin is a stretch 4. Alvin’s creation of Fountains would be his way of carrying on the legacy of his Fathers renowned ability to bring wonder to people with the idea of blending reality and fiction, by ACTUALLY doing it by creating Dark Worlds, I believe it’s possible that “is it right for this hammer to…” as I said, could mean he’s morally conflicted, as if perhaps Alvin isn’t sure he’s doing the right thing by opening them. 5. Also fair enough I suppose. The line is “a strange knight appeared… *And the three kings were locked away…” so it IS two different sentences but both expand on the same idea, I see no other interpretation of this other than “The Knight appeared (in Card Kingdom) and locked away the three kings”

[@Solibrae]

This doesn't prove that Father Alvin is the Knight, only that he could be. 5:40 If Ms. Boom was Alvin's wife then she would be known by the title Mrs, but this doesn't affect your general point anyway since she is almost certainly related to the Boom family. 6:37 I don't remember ever seeing Lord of the Hammer's story described, where did you find this information? I do like the idea of Gerson's smithing hammer being used to create Dark Worlds since it's a clever way to mix his smithing and fiction-creation into one action. 8:33 Queen saw the creation of the Dark Fountain through the camera recording she saved, and the Knight could have simply stored all the King cards, except the Spade King, before creating the Dark Fountain there, without having to enter the Dark World at all. It certainly looks like the positions of all the objects in the unused classroom have been taken out and arranged purposefully, and it wouldn't make sense for anyone else to be playing with them since it's, well, unused! 9:40 Alvin states that the Angel religion has no concept of Sin. 12:18 "Communion" definitely has strong religious connotations, but it can also mean sharing thoughts and feelings or making a mental connection with someone. This sounds much like the effect the Dark Worlds are having on the relationships between the Lightners! I do believe that Gerson, at least, will have more relevance in a future chapter. A Dark World could be based on the Lord of the Hammer story, or a copy might become a Darkner. It would be nice if Alvin, or even the whole Boom family, has a bigger role then too.

[@Research_Pod]

It’s true that Lords of The Hammer isn’t directly stated to be his story about blending fiction and reality. But the game goes out of its way to explain Gerson’s books were all about blending fiction and reality, so then presenting us with the tittle of a book from Gerson…even one that relates to the only line of dialogue in the Light World referencing the possible act of opening a Fountain…by his son….there’s just no way Lords of The Hammer isn’t his/one of his stories about blending fiction and reality

[@Solibrae]

@@Research_Pod Maybe you're right, but I don't remember Gerson's stories being described like this, and I can't find that info when searching through the game's script either.

[@marsgreekgod]

You lost me at "we know they are tall"

[@3DFella]

Yeah, he takes alot of commonly accept fan theories and is like “we know this for a FACT, guys”

[@Research_Pod]

@@3DFellaFor some reason, YT never notified me about this comment and reply so I wanted to clear things up a bit here. That point IS a little weird given I failed to fully explain why I felt it was important to mention for Alvin. The check description of the computer lab closet states “a very tall person could fit in here” and Alvin’s sprite actually happens to not only be one of the tallest Hometown character sprites, but also fits PERFECTLY inside the closet

[@psychochief5090]

REAL and TRUE.

[@skarnus3000]

Underrated

[@luismlms2824]

I love the undertale aspect ratio

[@Videospiel-Man5730]

I watched ya Video! Interesting points!

[@jcoxeye9200]

Ever since I watched Jaru's player video, I've made a habit of typing ridiculously long written responses in the comments of every Deltarune theory/analysis video I come across. So, uh, don't mind the rambling, and rest assured that despite any criticisms I may have, I do think this is a good video, and I don't have any ill will. Also since this, uh, *27 paragraph long* document likely can't fit into a single youtube comment, I'll try to put it in a chain of comment replies:

[@jcoxeye9200]

First off, you start with a fairly solid point: if we take the title of Gerson's book, 'Lord of the Hammer', and compare it to how he was the 'Hammer of Justice' in Undertale, it follows that he's a sort of 'lord', and that from there his son would be a 'knight'. Reasonable enough to me, but certainly not bulletproof, IMO. Do note that this an interpretation of Gerson and Alvin from a metaphorical lens; it certainly implies Alvin is the Knight *under this interpretation*, but as an interpretation, it's very easy to dismiss as an unintentional coincidence.

[@jcoxeye9200]

From there, you relate the Knight's potential strategy to turtling in chess. This is a prime example of what I mean by interpretations being easy to dismiss as coincidence: I think this is an unintentional coincidence, and can be disgarded. The Knight's actions thus far seem fairly standard for someone in their position, and I see little reason to relate it to the act of turtling in chess. Therefore, the wordplay of 'turtling' and Alvin being a literal turtle is somewhat of a moot point (of course, in my opinion).

[@jcoxeye9200]

On Toby specifically pointing out Alvin's drawing of Gerson in the unused classroom, this is a good point, but doesn't specifically imply that Alvin is the Knight; it moreso just implies some significance. Still very important to note, though.

[@jcoxeye9200]

From there, you explain how Alvin can access the computer lab by saying that he got the key from his wife, Ms. Boom, who works in the library. First (don't mind me, this is just some semantic waffling over the familial relationships of anthropromorphic turtles), I'd like to mention that we don't really know that Ms. Boom is Alvin's wife, as opposed to some other family member (I interpreted her as being Gerson's widow, and Alvin's mother). Of course, no matter the relation, he could get the key from Ms. Boom (if she has one). Second (on whether or not she has a key to the library), we do not know for certain that Ms. Boom works in the library, and given how Berdly *leaves* the library to attend his shift with her, it's likely she specifically *doesn't* work there, and works somewhere else, like at the church. Granted, it's possible she *does* work at the library and Berdly leaves to do library related work somewhere else, like picking up a book donation or such. In any case, it's not confirmed that she even works at the library, so while it allows for the possibility that he got a key from her, it doesn't completely dismiss the point. Third (completely dismissing the point), the computer lab is a public place; you don't need to explain how he got in. The only reason we weren't able to go inside in Chapter 1, IIRC, was because the game simply didn't let us, not because of any in-universe reason. That is to say that while I think your points for how Alvin got into the computer lab are kinda sub-par, it also doesn't matter because I don't think that needed to be explained to begin with.

[@jcoxeye9200]

On Lord of the Hammer 'blending fiction and reality' and being about escapism: to be blunt, I don't recall this. Gerson is mentioned as being good at blending fiction and reality IIRC, but I don't recall Lord of the Hammer to be literally *about* that. You should absolutely provide concrete lines of dialogue to support this piece of evidence. With that said, the connection between an author of books and a creator of fountains is still there, and is a very solid point.

[@monkeyBOIIImysingingmonsters]

I think the knight is its own character. It isn’t anyone we know, but it is someone hiding away, slowly attempting to bring the roaring titans to existence.

[@megaraptoran1990]

I don't like the theory that the Knight is an unknown character. There's no evidence for it and is absolutely sucks narratively.

[@entwixed3406]

Jevil and Spamton were unknown characters until they showed up- and are now really beloved- I'd think it's make more sense for the knight to be the metaphorical *hand* of Gaster- the one playing the pieces- I'm not a 100% sure if any current lightner fits that atp.

[@melon2282]

yap session (great video)

[@Tat011]

Some notes: -Do you think Gerson's book being an obvious reference to lord of the rings is relevant? or just a meaningless reference? -Turtling isn't specifically a chess thing, so using it as evidence of uhh... actually you didn't prove anything with that, just said that the strategy the knight is using could be considered turtling (even tho we don't really know what he's planning or doing) so this is quite a stretch if you ask me. -Where did you get that lighteers need above average levels of determination to make fountains? (as oposed to just average) -On that dialogue section about Asriel Father Alvin says that sin isn't a thing in their religion. -"The angel is most likely Noelle" Considering the angel owns heaven and seems to be the final boss i really doubt that. (Also Noelle being metaphorically an angel isn't the same as being an actual angel) -"Spamton and Jevil lost their freedom" I'm honestly pretty tired of people fundamentally misunderstanding these 2, since i dont want to make this into a lengthy thing i'll just say that when Jevil says he's the only free one he's 100% accurate, no one is free, including the player (this is a linear videogame) and Spamton was trying to subvert that by becoming uber strong while Jevil was ok with just chilling, ironically doing nothing with his freedom (hence Spamton's line "but unlike him i'll go even higher"). -"Spamton has knowledge that DT is a videogame" uhh, source? i've heard people say that about Jevil (which is also wrong) but Spamton is a first -"Asriel isn't in home town so he can't be the knight" While i doubt he's the knight, Asriel has to be involved in the plot somehow, considering that if i remember right he's suposed to come back at the time of Ch 7 (assuming each ch is one day) and in Undertale he's the angel on the symbol and the profecy is literally about him. Good vid btw, i hadn't considered that and it's pretty convincing

[@Research_Pod]

Jevil and Spamton did lose their freedom. Jevil says he’s the only one free, and nobody is, that’s true, but that includes him. Spamton also lost his freedom, being a literal puppet on strings just like Kris. Spamton’s plan (if we entertain the idea if would’ve worked) was to pilot the NEO body and absorb/take a human soul/Kris’s soul/whatever it is to achieve “HEAVEN” which while we don’t know what it is exactly it is implied to relate to actual freedom in some sort, he lost the fight and became either the Deal Maker or Puppet Scarf depending on your route so he’s still not free, if anything he’s in a worse spot because now he’s on our person. At the end of Chapter 2 when explaining fountain creation, Queen states “Any Lightner with above average determination can open a Fountain” hence why we see her wanting to use Noelle, see Berdly almost make one, and see Kris make one at the end of the chapter.

[@chungo.]

I don't know if it's just me but the music sounds loud compared to your voice

[@Research_Pod]

I was actually wondering. I thought to me it sounded fine but yeah I was wondering if Pandora Palace was gonna sound too loud. I’ll try and turn the music down a tiny bit next video

[@GameGardener]

Plot twist: there are multiple knights because everyone has their own motive yaaaaay. Anyways great video 🎉

[@Research_Pod]

I’ll copy and paste a reply I had to another commenter: Multi Knight theory IS interesting, considering there is multiple knights (4 to be exact) in Chess. IF I had to apply it to this idea of it being Alvin, I’d say Gerson was probably the first Knight and opened the closer fountain, which is why the fountain there is pure and Ralsei is special. HOWEVER I personally don’t believe multi Knight, because in Toby Fox’s written out description of the planned animated intro to the game, Kris Susie and Ralsei look up the stairs and see THE Knight turning around and looking back at them with a shining eye, similar to how Undyne does when armored in Undertale

[@GameGardener]

@@Research_Pod A fair point to be made Pod! Much mystifies us all it seems. I’m curious to see how Toby will take what we know and completely flip us on our heads lol Best sensation one could ask for. Look forward to more of your content too!

[@OdysseyCoder]

Lol kris knight isn't "completely" disproven.

[@Research_Pod]

I mean, it's a 99% chance they aren't The Knight, although I suppose there is that 1% chance but...even still, the timeline doesn't add up, there would have to be a plot hole in order for them to have opened the Library Fountain. Although I will admit, the knife they cut the pie with and the knife they reveal at the end of Chapter 1 ARE different, the pie and Chapter 3 fountain were cut and opened with a kitchen knife, whatever they did with the knife at the end of Chapter 1 is unknown, though because it is a jagged knife called a "Kris' knife irl, I see it being the knife they probably keep on their person considering they do have an obsession with them.

[@thevoidwalkerbr]

Its either him or Kris there are no other valid options imo

[@megaraptoran1990]

What? What about Dess, Ms. Boom, the Mayor, Papyrus and others?

[@Patrick11nf]

@@megaraptoran1990 I love the theory with the Mayor being the Knight personally, maybe even my favorite. Dess feels like a less likely version of Mayor!Knight to me (but that's just me, how I interpret findher and all that). Ms. Boom feels like Alvin!Knight v.2, did that come up just because of the "Alvin has no portrait" argument? No real opinion on Papyrus as the knight, I could see it happening but I don't really see much pointing towards it either.

[@megaraptoran1990]

@@Patrick11nf Mayor Knight has more counter-arguments than Dess Knight and very little evidence. Ms. Boom Knight is indeed what you said.

[@Patrick11nf]

@@megaraptoran1990 Aren't both the Mayor and Dess unaccounted for at this point? But yes, Dess is even more so, so I think I can see what you mean and I'm really just assuming what role Dess has already so that's my bad. I'm not that into Dess!Knight but as I understand it one point for it is the baseball in ch2? I guess the reason I like Mayor!Knight is just that she seems to have a clear motive and is built up as some mysterious, terrifying force.

[@Ecoecosupremoreal]

Common researchpod W

[@Erimgard13]

Aw no shoutout for pointing out the communion thing to you in the last video?

[@Research_Pod]

I don’t see any comments from you pointing it out before

[@Erimgard13]

@@Research_Pod We had a conversation about it on your Knight video. The "Ms Boom" comment and the "Communion" one

[@FoxGG411]

*Just gonna say...* *I think he's ONE of the knights...*

[@megaraptoran1990]

There's only one Knight

[@Research_Pod]

Multi Knight theory IS interesting, considering there is multiple knights (4 to be exact) in Chess. IF I had to apply it to this idea of it being Alvin, I’d say Gerson was probably the first Knight and opened the closer fountain, which is why the fountain there is pure and Ralsei is special. HOWEVER I personally don’t believe multi Knight, because in Toby Fox’s written out description of the planned animated intro to the game, Kris Susie and Ralsei look up the stairs and see THE Knight turning around and looking back at them with a shining eye, similar to how Undyne does when armored in Undertale

[@megaraptoran1990]

@@Research_Pod i mean we know the closet fountain wasn't made by the Knight

[@FoxGG411]

@@Research_Pod THANK YOU SO MUCH! I BELIEVE in this so much, there's not only a order for the Chess pices that appear on each Chapter, but there are a Lot of pices that represent the Main Darkner Bosses, and also i want to think some secret bosses too.

[@Research_Pod]

@@FoxGG411 well yeah Chess theory imo is undeniable. King and Queen also move as their respective chess counterparts. King doesn’t act until confronted at the end of the game, in chess a King piece won’t move until other pieces reach it, Queen is seen all over Cyber World, doing whatever she wants, in Chess, the Queen piece can move anywhere on the board at any time they want

[@kendallbabbitt1532]

Your mom. Also good video

[@ItsRalsei391]

Doobie

[@mrslasher1064]

Papyrus is the knight Source: it would be cool

[@luismlms2824]

You have zach hadel ass voice

[@TheSoulCalledZuzia]

Another theory by one of my favorite UT/DR theorists (granted, I like a lot of them, but still!)? Let's go!