I can't believe this study is real.

[@brianbachmeier34]

“Medical science is making such remarkable progress that soon none of us will be well.” - Aldous Huxley

[@rawallon]

Who Aldous? The name seems like a skyrim npc

[@vdog22100]

​@rawallon he wrote the book "Brave New World", a must-read in my opinion. he predicted the future back in 1930 and was shockingly correct. look up an interview with him

[@ieaatclams]

​@@rawallonEnglish writer

[@rawallon]

@@MarkMcCluney That helps, thanks!

[@jacobp.2024]

@@MarkMcCluney I can believe it, because think about it: the idea is that medical diagnostic will be SO good, that we'll discover *everyone* has one issue or another, but they haven't been diagnosed because we didn't think to even look for them. Which is.. Kind of accurate, because you'll notice that cancer, neurological issues, and mental illness have been diagnosed at unprecedented rates. We know this isn't because these diseases are just ridiculously common now, but that we weren't even trying to diagnose them before.

[@joesweeney6262]

They way you admitted your emotional reaction and thus bias, recalibrated, and then went and shifted to an analytical mindset is something I wish more people would do. B

[@randomguy1371]

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[@The.171]

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[@mightytheknight2878]

Same

[@_Circus_Clapped_]

I'm always analytical-- issue is that when I talk to the next person they call me racist or some other leftist tag

[@randomguy1371]

@_Circus_Clapped_ FR. When you actually analyze statistics it's racist until it's a scientist who provides 0 evidence. Then it's accept it at face value or else you're an idiot

[@ManifestSuccess-vz8gd]

1) Do they have a Sedentary lifestyle for the past 10+ years? 2) What are they eating? How many calories are they consuming? 3) How often are they exercising? 4) What is their stress levels like? 5) How often are they sleeping? AND MUCH MORE... has to be taken into account...

[@S3lkie-Gutz]

pre-existing health conditions especially those concerning metabolism like diabetes eating disorders or thyroid disease too

[@lindatullos9430]

Exactly, especially the sleep issue, exercise level, and kind and amount of food consumed.

[@kathleenking47]

​@@lindatullos9430 We cant let them.gaslight

[@wentoneisendon6502]

​@kathleenking47 it's over bro. Ur intermittent fasting is going to suffer the same fate as the Atkins diet lmao

[@yohatch]

Also, intermittent fasting is a bit specific, and it's important to discern which profile of people choose to do it and for what reasons. It was marketed as a kind of all-in-one solution, and I suspect that most of people who self-report their eating window under 8 hours had some chronic conditions that motivated them to try the diet in the first place. Quality and quantity of food is another huge factor. We need to know a lot more about people who participated in order to draw any reasonable conclusions.

[@Copperyfoxx]

I’m not an expert on anything, but seems like being that upwards of 2 billion of people participate in fasting during Ramadan, I feel like if there was a direct causation we would have noticed by now.

[@TeeBee-yj5tt]

Lunar as well for Easter..😒😒😒💞🌍💜

[@eats4cheaps305]

12 hours is not fasting. They call it that but it's really not at all.

[@bruceolga3644]

Fasting is actually going without for a long time; these huemans do not actually fast...they feast môre than anything and DNA & 🧬 y it shows greatly 👁️🦁♌🎱

[@Blissblizzard]

@@eats4cheaps305 Its a sunrise to sunset dry fast, so the length of time varies geographically and seasonally. It is dry fasting with, or without, time restricted nocturnal binging.

[@monke5004]

​@@eats4cheaps305 what's... break....fast......?.....

[@Quij666777]

This biggest factor to me is, this study can't tell the difference between people doing this to be healthly, and people forced in to it cause of work/life balance and money/time/resources.

[@S3lkie-Gutz]

same, or because of eating disorders like orthorexia or anorexia nervosa because a lot of people do use fasting to lose weight as part of their maladaptive eating patterns like starving or purging

[@gernotfrohlich6978]

exactly!

[@stevethomas5209]

Yep, I went to the fair hot dogs were $12.00 I said to self " self time to start a fast".

[@bronzergoth7598]

right, how many people in america have become OMAD level poor in just the last 4 years

[@ryanmullins2103]

Either way it’s amazing for you.

[@Leo99929]

I'd wager that there's a high correlation between people who are on an 8 hour fasting diet and those who are obese and thus have higher risk of cardiovascular disease. People who use nicotine patches are likely to get lung cancer. The patches don't necessarily cause them. It's correlation, not direct causation.

[@joemccullough4246]

Excellent point

[@dismurrart6648]

Yeah people forget that our past impacts us.

[@livesouthernable]

I agree. People who have never had issues with their weight are unlikely to be doing any sort of drastic caloric restriction.

[@LKMNOP]

It wasn't the case in this study. It would have been stated if it had been. Studies report in their publication where they get their cohort

[@brev653]

​​​@@LKMNOPSaw an article about this in Fortune. "The fasting patients were more likely to be younger men with a higher BMI and food insecurity." The paper was based on dietary recall. Not any statement of intentional fasting. Applying the label "fasting" to food insecurity is absurd. The paper still hasn't been peer-reviewed, and should be disregarded entirely while such questions remain.

[@amiralzoabi5745]

Remember kids, whatever the news tell you is exactly what THEY want you to believe.

[@susanflaherty1248]

I’ve eaten 8/16 all my life. Not to lose or maintain weight, just my habit. 72 years old,110 pounds, on no meds. All vitals normal. Had a hip replacement a few years ago and the medical community treated me like a rare, possibly dangerous animal!

[@youbetyourwrasse]

Heehee yes they do. They want to "fold you" into the System. OMG no pelvic or mammagram in over a decade OH NO! No vaccines OH NO but you are OLD! Thank anyway, just give my sutures so I stop bleeding and can get back to living.

[@susanflaherty1248]

@IsaacChock I eat between the hours of 1pm to 9 pm. Don’t normally eat the rest of the 24 hour clock. Just my schedule at the moment. As a kid it was 10am to 6 pm.

[@claudiafahey1353]

🤚 61 on no meds been practicing fasting for over 5 yrs everyone i know my age or younger diagnosed with multiple health conditions and on meds ( the usual stuff high bp, cholesterol, pre or full blown diabetes) they look at me like I have 2 heads....meanwhile, my weight is great, I have no health conditions i'm on zero meds and plan on keeping it that way. It's a great thing when you realize you really don't care what other people think lol

[@freewithnature]

Your health probably has a lot more to do with your genetics than not eating for certain periods of time.

[@ianlanford6922]

@@freewithnature ok. then just eat all you want. lets see if you can get near 70 years. ppl dont understand how powerful fasting is.

[@JennWatson]

I can't stop fasting!!! I like autophagy and I've lost 100 lbs at age 63!

[@HamsterBoi]

do you have any loose skin at age 63?

[@nightmanlol]

whats your longest fast?

[@sparky6086]

Fasting is great. The medical industry hates it, when the population loses weight, because they don't make as much money. Obesity causes many chronic medical problems.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

Fun fact, exercise causes more autophagy than fasting

[@lilyrosedaisyvioletsweetpe1207]

I’ve lost 50lbs fasting. I’m an all or nothing type and I feel healthier now than 20 years ago. I don’t want to give that up.

[@flexairz]

The 'study' also mentioned this: "The study's limitations included its reliance on self-reported dietary information, which may be affected by participant's memory or recall and may not accurately assess typical eating patterns. Factors that may also play a role in health, outside of daily duration of eating and cause of death, were not included in the analysis." So they KNEW the results were bogus. But the media never included this.

[@Astroqualia]

Theres loads of these videos about the scientific community floating around, about misleading and outright false yet often accepted as undeniable truth scientific papers. Bring it up to someone wearing a nasa shirt or a scientist? They just deflect and insinuate you're dumb for saying it because their special piece of toilet paper cost them 4-12 years to get, so they are automatically right about anything regarding the subject.

[@aylabacker5744]

It's a lazy limitation section! That is one of my biggest pet peeves as a researcher! The limitations section should help scope future research and give reader's the opportunity to really engage with gaps in the approach! Treating it like a checkbox makes your work look lazy and doesn't inspire confidence in your findings.

[@darktimesatrockymountainhi4046]

I wonder if the heart events were also self-reported

[@jelmervd2l]

@@darktimesatrockymountainhi4046 It's kind off hard to self report death

[@lacunalshadow]

That's how almost all studies on diet are though, because the only way to do a real and perfect study on diet is to have all the participants permanently live in and have their diet strictly controlled by the scientists without outside influence. This isn't feasable at all for any longer studies that would require several years to decades to see actual effects on health over time. Any studies on diet like that have to be done short term which isn't always as helpful since diets can take a very long time to have certain effects. So pretty much all of our scientific data on diet comes from surveys.

[@HusbandsCoach]

Do people not sleep for 8 hours or more at night without eating?!?!

[@duskonanyavarld1786]

True but I think they mean awake fasting.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

I doubt it. They just didn't think of that simple fact. Doh. 🤣🤣🤣

[@kapeecoffee]

That's obviously not counted

[@nevermindthegrind]

People who eat only between 08:00 and 16:00 instead of spreaing the eating over a long period in the day (07:00-21:00). So 16 hours without eating. 365 days a year.

[@TheGriteater]

exactly!!!

[@happyzombie24]

It should be illegal to publish “research” like this. This research was done by the same association (AHA) that’s on the front of cheerios telling you that sugary cereal is healthy and dietary cholesterol is bad.

[@oliverhenri3477]

Oh really? Censorship is the answer? 🤡🙄

[@trianglesandsquares420]

@oliverhenri3477 It's a medical study, they're already regulated.

[@happyzombie24]

@@oliverhenri3477 not approving or publishing a study for bad practice is literally what peer-reviewers are supposed to do. It’s not censorship. Sure put the research out there, but to have it published at this level of science is just malpractice.

[@catalinacaro8183]

​@@happyzombie24as someone who is entering the scientific world, peer review is not being good anymore, recently a paper that was clearly chatGPT redacted passed peer review and was published. Basically published doesn't mean is a quality study and is prone to the investigators biases or small sample biases so you always need to read the papers in order to determine their accuracy

[@sinisterdesign]

Nothing in this video suggests the study itself is flawed; just that people who don't understand relative risk or the difference between correlation and causation are likely to misinterpret it as demonstrating more than it does. The solution to that isn't to censor the study--the solution is to teach people how to think critically about what they're reading.

[@GlennHamblin]

I started fasting 24 hours once per week about 2 years ago. The positive changes in my health and well-being are undeniable. My blood test numbers in every area are now in the heart of the range every time. As long as those things remain good, I'll continue on regardless of studies. This may not be true for everyone, but for me the results are phenomenal.

[@randyross5630]

I've been Fasting like Budha under this Tree for Decades, I am Fine Bra!

[@NopeNotTodaySatan]

Awesome!! Intermittent fasting has given me nothing but positive results. 😁

[@kaamn1829]

has it been just fasting, or did you change your activity/exercise patterns and eating habits as well? did you start with smaller periods of fasting, then upped it to 24hrs?

[@GlennHamblin]

@@kaamn1829 I have changed nothing else. But, since I started fasting I cannot eat the volume that I used to without becoming very uncomfortable/overfull.

[@fuzzylilpeach6591]

At first I read this as "24 hours once per day" and I was like wow what a troll, haha

[@EversonBernardes]

Ten bucks that the fasting samples are significantly self-selected for people with higher risk for CVD.

[@thenonsequitur]

I'd put a lot more than $10 on that.

[@abigailpena5950]

Right? Like they're fasting because social media made everyone believe that it's the best dieting strategy, so only people who believe they need to go on a diet would be reporting. Correlation is not causation.

[@cherriberri8373]

Yep. I mean, the unavoidable fact that a lot of people with restrictive eating disorders fast by itself is probably a large part of the percentage.

[@rayujohnson1302]

A lot of people use fasting to lose weight -- which means those fasting will be more likely to have higher BMI and subsequently worse cardiovascular systems.

[@shorgoth]

Don't forget that fasting is also self selecting for older averages than the general population that include childrens.

[@helendunn7915]

Sooooo, I’m gonna have a heart attack trying to get the recommended 8 hours sleep. You are a breath of fresh air of common sense in scientific method. You give me hope for the future of “real” science!

[@ehunyadi]

Every. Single. Video. You make some of the most remarkable and well-stated videos. I just "Rang the bell" because I don't want to miss a single video! Thanks for what you do!

[@joelgray4403]

My first thought was how many people are dieting because of concerns about weight, previous health issues, family history, etc. If everyone woke up tomorrow believing that wearing blue could seriously reduce your risk of CVD, and then a study was done a year later about CVD in people wearing blue vs other colors, you'd probably see a higher percentage of deaths from people wearing blue, so does wearing blue increase your risk? Correlation can sometimes point in the right direction, but oftentimes the two correlated things are caused by a third factor, and have no direct relationship to each other.

[@Enroxxx]

100 per cent! 👍

[@Rakstawr]

Doesn't even need to be this deep. If you figure that there is an 8 hour workday and people normally eat breakfast lunch and dinner around those hours, then the study kind of loses its merit.

[@tiryaclearsong421]

I immediately thought of this. My brother and I have a genetically increased risk of CVD and sudden death due to heart attack. The two of us are doing these interventions for cardiovascular health more than the general public, but the intervention doesn't completely mitigate our genetic risk. There are other people doing these interventions for other reasons, but the only ones that aren't health related are religious or maybe work related.

[@ninadgadre3934]

100%, my lifestyle is better since i discovered my genetic predisposition to a particular set of family diseases. When I am gone, I look forward to being an addition to the “men who exercise and sleep on time have a 46% higher risk of multifactor mortality” 2065 research paper!

[@joshuabarqueesimeth4530]

in that situation death from the people wearing blue is likely caused by stress the unknown third factor which causes them to act differently in situations where they would be perfectly fine when normal but in situations while stressed from the fear of death your more likely to act unaccordingly causing you to be more likely to die.

[@kefacatoncu3729]

The AHA lost my trust over statins. Look up how the AHA is financially supported. There is no other excuse for them to have put this headline out there on an abstract other than fasting will cause someone's profit loss. In additions to direct donations, they also have investments that aren't reported.

[@RBzee112]

Yeah, the whole relative risk formula is so misleading without context. The original studies that got statins approved showed a 50% reduction in CV events. Sounds impressive. But, in absolute risk, it was a reduction from 5% to 2.5%. So 95% of the study population had no CV events with or without statins. Is it really worth to take a drug FOR LIFE to avoid a 5% risk of a heart attack?

[@mark11145]

Spot on

[@doctormarazanvose4373]

@@RBzee112 No it isn't - I witnessed my father wither away and die on statins to put money in someone's wallet. We are lucky that we live in an age where we have simple access to knowledge to make an informed decision rather than be blindly led by crooks. Unfortunately the vast majority are sheep that do just what they are told and scoff at you when you question the medical profession. Let us not forget that the role of cholesterol in the formation of arterial plaques is a HYPOTHESIS - it's not even got enough evidence to be a theory - yet they make these claims as fact. It's criminal.

[@geekswithfeet9137]

@@RBzee112that’s literally what relative risk means, I’m not even sure what you’re problem with that statistic is. A 2.5% absolutely reduction is actually quite high for a single cause and prevention mortality regimen. Seat belts are two orders of magnitude lower and you should still wear them every day.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

Aha is a joke but I dont understand why anyone take a country organisation that is only job to spread drug company propaganada and see patients as costumers seriously in the first place. Especially when America's health care is just low quality overall despite being exteremely expensive.

[@Pallasathena-hv4kp]

You are awesome! Thank you for this valuable service to the public! 😊❤

[@milliealford8968]

We need more young men like you in our world. Thank you and keep up the great work!

[@jessiecannon5234]

If I’m hearing this correctly, the researchers put people in the “fasting” group if they reported eating in a

[@blackdereker4023]

What about sleeping as well? Anyone having a healthy sleeping habit will sleep for 8 hours therefore they've went 8 hours without eating. Is that really fasting if your body is on a low metabolic state?

[@darktimesatrockymountainhi4046]

Yes. The definition of fasting is important. True fasting is at least a couple days with only water. Anything less than that is simply missing a meal or two, and there shouldn’t be enough differentiation from the control.

[@pikotard]

@@blackdereker4023 sleeping is a form of fasting. The word breakfast comes from our first meal of the day which is when we are breaking our fast from sleeping. That being said, i think you misread the other commenter. You need to not eat for 16 hours, not 8. They used the less than sign not greater than.

[@corbbing]

@@blackdereker4023 it takes you 8 hours to sleep? You need to sleep faster!

[@matthewluttrell9413]

It's a way to extrapolate info and help find a correlation. It's really hard to get year long dietary information from enough people to make a observational study worthwhile. But people can more or less remember what they ate in the last day, so you get a much more accurate recount, but only for a day. Now this can depend a good bit on what the questionnaire asks and how it asks it. For example if it included "is this a normal day's eating habit?" It would greatly add to the validity. Now even though it's only one day, it's over twenty thousand days! That's enough to find clues of a correlation. We'll still have to wait to read the entire article, but if it seems somewhat legit it'll lead to other research to help isolate the correlation and/or find the mechanism.

[@abbyl1248]

You explain things so well and clearly and really keep in mind your bias. Amazing job! We need more people like you.

[@nathanevans6580]

The same people that approved red dye, corn syrup, gmo's Told you sugar was good and fat was bad Led our country to be the most obese on the planet Are here to tell you what to do to be healthy

[@telesniper2]

The grocery store is filled with bag after bag of grain based sludge formed into shape and dripping with seedoils stamped with the AHA's "heart healthy" label. I just looked at a bag of Sun Chips. Second ingredient: Sunflower oil. That has to be the very worst oil out there, it's like 70% Omega 6. "Heart healthy"???

[@cherylcarlson3315]

Thanks for slogging through the stats and biases. I no longer have patience for it. Thanks for acknowledging jobs that prohibit eating as the correlation extends to extreme stress, dehydration, disrupted sleep. If population is just healthcare providers 91% is probably real. 39yrs of nursing pointed how to degrade a person physically and mentally.

[@wentoneisendon6502]

Literally nothing wrong with GMOs lmao. You wouldn't be able to feed the USA alone without GMOs

[@cherylcarlson3315]

@@wentoneisendon6502 Do you even watch the video or read comments? Ignoramus.

[@icanbreathe9161]

No people say that sugar is bad and fat is good lol

[@HostileTakeover555]

Great breakdown - there’s so many red flags here. The methodology really needs to be evaluated on this. It’s possible there’s also an increased number of people with eating disorders as well - this is pure speculation of course but there’s so many factors and details that are important to consider.

[@rugerdie4054]

Yeah precisely if they didn't properly control for people with unhealthy eating habits who are trying to use fasting to compensate it's going to skew the data. So if those people are using unhealthy fats to boost ketosis, of course there's probably going to be an associated rise in cardiovascular diseases in that subpopulation of the fasting movement. This is opposed to the people that are using intermittent fasting appropriately/responsibly with good diet and exercise regimens.

[@dismurrart6648]

​@@rugerdie4054to be completely fair, idk how they would control for that. I have a history of eds and hid it for years because I'm neither 100 or 400 lbs. This sounds like bad science regardless

[@matthewpadgett9526]

Many Americans are beginning to realize that in matters regarding our health, it’s ultimately up to us to be our own advocate. I have done IF for 8 years and I am over age 60 and I am black. Why did I say that? Well, at one time I was on hypertension “medication” and IF has been life changing for me, now I don’t take any pharmaceuticals at all and now I truly healthy without the need of any pharmaceuticals. I don’t believe the “study” to be true and if it were , still I would continue IF. Is my Physician happy? No he isn’t... But I am!

[@pameladill4219]

Way to go@Matthewpadgett9526! I love your comment, and inspired by your courage.. ❤

[@SamBrownBaudot]

This goes exactly to the point I'm arguing: Why did you get into IF? Because you had risk factors! You did it to improve your health! Among the folks who do IF, how many are doing it for that reason? Because they're trying to reverse the very risk factor that leads to cardiovascular problems? Yeah, it's a group that's pre-selected to have higher cardiovascular risk from the start! Folks who are starting out healthy aren't as likely to get into IF. This is the problem with an observational study: It's prone to mix up cause and effect.

[@bilboswaggings]

See that should be the whole point behind this Every human is different, if you were unhealthy before a potentially unhealthy thing for most can be the key to your health Everyone thinks that things are black and white, but things never are that simple Even if something is deemed bad for you it does not mean it's actually bad for everyone and the same for good things

[@user-ps2nn5pj4g]

Congrats for you! Now, I just gotta share... This just happened last week! Doc prescribes lots of meds: a statin (raises glucose), 2 different glucose meds (to lower glucose), something for heart... 5, in all. Instead of pill popping, I revolutionised my eating. Shed lots of weight but, more importantly, noticed all kinds of symptom reversals, particularly xanthomas shrinking down to nothing. It was time to do another lipid panel! Besides, there were signs my thyroid was off. At the doc's office: "Ghanged diet, lost weight, thyroid off, vanishing xanthomas... blood test?" him: "Ah, that means the meds are working! Let's see... what did I give you? Wait a minute! Your last prescription was 7 months ago and you didn't order a single refill!" He then said I don't get to decide whether I take medicine and promptly reauthorized all the meds he had prescribed before, including the same dosage for thyroid. Without knowing where my numbers are. He did order lab work, but only for thyroid and glucose. It was in range, thyroid was out of whack. Just goes to show, docs these days are in the pill-pushing business, not health.

[@ISureDont]

@@user-ps2nn5pj4gif a good diet and sleep don’t help that’s when you go to a doctor. Plenty of exercise and sunshine. Pills treat symptoms instead of looking for the cause. They started as a temporary measure but the money to be made tempted too many. Recently pharmacy management companies got caught creating a system that promoted bribery raising medication prices for everyone. They don’t make money when we’re happy and healthy so there’s no effort to help us achieve that. I’m glad people are finally waking up to it. There’s a farmer in Pennsylvania that’s in court for selling natural food. The state government fabricated evidence to shut him down. We’ve been locked into food deserts and they’re making it worse. I’m glad people are realizing a good diet is essential

[@deepwaters7242]

Well done, liked and subscribed! In college myself and hear about your breakdown of the data was refreshing.

[@robsimmons6910]

Love your approach And analysis. Keep up the good work

[@MrC0MPUT3R]

Every time I read these words in headlines I immediately ignore the article and forget that I read the headline (unless I have the time to actually look into the actual study): "Study suggests" "According to new study" "Linked to" "Correlated with" "May cause" "Science says" "Scientists say" "says [insert name or title of person]"

[@NanaWilson-px9ij]

You called your math teacher? You are WONDERFUL.

[@Bildgesmythe]

Love it.

[@stuntmanstu1]

Love your shows. Brilliantly produced and in-depth research shown in a way that even I can understand.

[@waynegnarlie1]

I like channels that reveal their bias, then present the evidence in a balanced and reasonable manner - LIKE THIS ONE!

[@TechBearSeattle]

I majored in stats. Going off of just the methodology described in the abstract, I can tell you with certainty (p value less than 0.01) that none of my professors would have accepted this. I hope it is just a very poorly worded abstract, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@Ladycyg]

I agreed until I looked out up again. A p value of less than 0.05 is good (probability it is due to chance is less than 5%). A p value of 0.006 means the probability is due to chance is less than 0.6%. Of course that is a mere mathematical calculation that can easily be fudged. It's not taking into account any other factors.

[@TechBearSeattle]

@@Ladycyg- The methodologies for formulating a null hypothesis and calculating a p-value have been around for more than a century and are very well known. Calculations are standard and can be done with extreme precision using a computer and a basic package such as R. A section explaining the null hypothesis and how the p-value was calculated is a standard part of any paper, as it ties directly to both reliability and replicatability.

[@alejandroatoche858]

It is deeply flawed anyways they are using Hazard ratio which is a statistic which is used in survival analysis. A survival analysis is used in a longitudinal study with time of exposure taken into account and it is a single study that goes from start to finish, it is not the comparison of 2 national surveys of different years even if these surveys are probabilistically made. The so called “increased risk” is really non significant because what they have done is a recall of 48 hours which isn’t even controlled or verified and there is no data from the gap between these two measurements. There might be an association but you actually can’t tell with what they have done xDDD

[@terranhealer]

I wonder if the authors addressed the obvious data bias in this study. The type of person that might be doing a fast is likely already overweight or sick. Same as the type of person who might take antidepressants is likely already mentally ill and already at a higher risk for suicide (that’s why the side effects for those drugs say suicidal thoughts are likely)

[@froggacuda1605]

The statistics don't matter because the methodology was so bad. Example: They included a table showing that their selected fasting group contained a significantly higher percentage of self-reported smokers than the non-fasting group. Smoking is highly correlated with heart disease but this fact was completely ignored by the authors

[@JustFluffyQuiltingYarnCrafts]

It is sad that we live in a click-bait society. If that was not the case, there would be a calmer reaction to the headline and the reader may actually do a little research before reacting. Thanks for helping us to make some sense of where the numbers could come from. ❤

[@NWRIBronco6]

I mean, as a researcher I certainly agree with the sentiment that cautious skepticism is useful. That said, it's hard to even keep up with the research in my own tiny microcosm, nevermind across all of science! Practically speaking one needs an upshot, and has to develop a sense of when to take things at face value or to dig deeper. That's simply how we operate to get by with finite time, and access to information is so much more ubiquitous today than ever before that those pressures (for a science consumer to be selective, and for a science communicator to be concise) build.

[@valeoncat13]

I don't necessarily think we live in a "click-bait" society. It's more like we are society overstimulated with information. And because of this over-stimulation, we require more extreme forms of stimulation(like click bait) to actually get our attention. I personally feel like click bait would be way less effective if society used their internet access in more moderation.

[@WishingThePanda]

​@valeoncat13 I think the "clickbait society" isn't referring to the people consuming the information, but the media outlets creating hysteria by not presenting information factually. They want as many eyes as possible and the best way to do that is through sensationalism... not straight to the point, unbiased facts.

[@JustFluffyQuiltingYarnCrafts]

I like that. 👍

[@pikotard]

@@valeoncat13 I think we live in a "click-bait society" because people aren't very smart and because of capitalism. Most people cannot think for themselves and realize how they are being manipulated. They put their trust in other people too much. The school system hasn't done them many favors either. Rote memorization is prioritized far more than critical thinking skills. I say capitalism because it is easy to connect people wanting to make money with the clickbait. They need engagement to sell their product. This includes the researchers selling the study as something important or the media reporting the study. But... capitalism isn't really the driving force. It is probably more accurately defined as man's lust for power and success.

[@rickmerritt8273]

This is one of my favorite channels. Keep up the great work.

[@DrewShafer66]

With complete sincerity, we need more people like you in the world.

[@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684]

I see perceptive, erudite young people like this fine young man, and my slightly downcast thoughts of the future of society see a small ray of sunshine through the gathering gloom. What a fantastic open minded, well reasoned, fluent and intelligent role model and communicator for our human future. 16:06 "Find somebody who understands and is able to communicate this stuff"..... That's YOU !!!! Great channel, keep up the excellent work.

[@ronc7743]

I agree!

[@maxnemo1643]

Very interesting. I appreciate your explanation of the type of studies and how they work. My father used to say: "figures don't lie, but liars can surely figure".

[@weareatrandom]

One glaring factor that can justifiably be implied is the fact that people who are trying a time restrictive diet are people who already have risk factors for CVD. Therefore, that group of people would not be a good candidate for the study.

[@CMarie404]

--As ice cream sales go up so does murder. I remember that from college. Excellent way to frame that correlation does not equal causation. Correlation only measures the degree of strength between 2 variables, but there are usually other variables that need to be factored in. --I think the talk/walk through of a bad study like this is helpful for those looking to suss out what makes a study good versus what makes it bad. And factors to consider, the withholding of bias in interpretation, and the desire to learn. --Research is important when trying to educate oneself. Plenty of white papers available, and even more abstracts with enough relevant information. Some lay info can be helpful, but have to also be careful of bias. Video such as yours is phenomenal. Really appreciate you!

[@baneverything5580]

75% of the people who eat margarine are 98% ridiculous.

[@lindatullos9430]

lol Heat might be a more likely culprit, but it deserves a fair analysis too.

[@CMarie404]

@@lindatullos9430 yep ultimately that was a "variable" to be considered, along with longer days, population, geography, demographic, etc. Heat though.. for sure.

[@arlettasloan6453]

Another one I remember is "100% of people who eat bread die."

[@Nokabro]

Thank you for the concise clarification. This fear mongering is getting old.🙄

[@spider1g5]

Spot on, very well put!

[@Eightfinger]

I just wanted to tell you, that I really, really appreciate the work you are doing with your videos, and how you approach the topics you cover. I may be near double your age now (Man, time moves fast...), and it really brings a smile to my face to see that there are still some smart, young content creators that try to present a topic as unbiased and thorough as they can. It is a lost art, bascially, and you are one of the few carrying the torch. Combining knowledge, fairness, effort, production quality, and entertainment factor into videos of quality. Great stuff. I was working as a nutritionist and a professional fitness trainer for a long time, and your video about trans fats has become one of the best "tools" to link to my clients to provide them with easily digestible knowledge on why to avoid certain fats, and why to not fear others. You are creating value!

[@functionmaster1503]

The less than 8 hour eaters had a higher BMI than the 12-16 hour eaters as well has higher rates of smoking.

[@newnatural6778]

I saw this headline online, and i was just as shocked and outraged as you. Thanks for making things clearer for people

[@claudiamiller7730]

Folks will also flat out lie when speaking about their eating habits,.because they’re ashamed of their dietary choices. Love to listen to you, my friend. Grew up living “across the street” from Chicago on the South Side - Wave to Lake Michigan for me the next time you see her!!!🌊

[@woofer13]

You are by far my favorite scientist....with or without a degree. You enrich my life. Thank you so much for being you.

[@arlettasloan6453]

He is good. I really like Thomas DeLauer, too. I may have spelled his last name wrong.

[@Matthew-lm6yc]

I'm new to this channel. I'm guessing I was recommended this video because I recently watched more coverage on the Francesca Gino research fraud situation. Anyway, I only studied scientific research in undergrad and it's been a long time since then but I immediately knew, "He knows science." So many of my classes were about being able to distinguish real results from popular articles and scrutinizing scientific articles. To see so much more sensationalizing, fraud, and misinformation than what existed just a decade ago is terrifying. The Internet and the world at large need people like you ❤

[@Debbie-henri]

Thanks for finding out the actual numbers of people who were involved and what those percentages really mean. I've heard the media hype around this study, after being on this intermittent fasting for a few months now. I did it because I was 5 pounds into the obese range, could not seem to lose weight, forever hungry, and showing symptoms of pre-diabetes. I'm so much better now. Lost 13 pounds (metabolism is still adjusting, obviously), more energy, lots of my mysterious aches and pains gone, eyesight recovering, my ability to concentrate vastly improved (I had thought I was experiencing symptoms of early onset dementia), and much, much more. I believe intermittent fasting has saved my life, not threatened it. So this study was puzzling indeed. How could I feel so much better in years if this was a risk to my heart (and I had been diagnosed with thickening of the arteries next to my heart several years previously. If CVD was going to take, I'm sure it would have done so by now, or I would have known signs it was progressing). It is, as you say, we don't know what other factors were affecting these people that died. We don't know what drove them to undertake intermittent fasting in the first place. Did they have other illnesses, other regimes that were even more extreme, eat nothing but junk food, were they vegans, , vegetarians, carnivores, high intensity exercise nuts, sleep deficiency, taking other medications, drinkers, smokers, recreational drugs, lounge lizards, played games day and night without ever seeing the sun? There are so many ways to live a life these days, and some ways are very extreme. Coupled with a genetic problem, an unresolved medical issue, the studies can be swayed in any direction. Personally, I'm going to continue with what's working for me. Intermittent fasting is my lifestyle now... Indeed, I'd be more interested in 'who' is paying for the AHA to undertake this study in the first place.

[@Kelly-pp1et]

I fast 24 hours 5 times a week ( OMAD) . It is amazing. Energy, loss of extra weight, clarity of mind, low blood sugar and so much more.

[@hacehutton]

Never seen your stuff before. I don’t subscribe often. But after the first 3 minutes I subscribed. Wow I’m impressed with your dedication to good science

[@rsk6929]

Dude I like that you see past the bullshit. Its why I subscribed when I watched your butter video.

[@fnsmike]

I appreciate that you take the time to point out a lot of flaws in the way this study is being handled in the media. It's so common with science reporting, especially health news. An abstract isn't even yet a paper. A single study isn't conclusive. Even a "91% increased risk" isn't like the risk goes from 4% to 95%. It's more like the risk went from 4% to nearly 8% One set of authors found something strange when examining survey data, and pointed it out to their peers because what it suggests seems counter-intuitive and maybe deserves some more in-depth research. This is the start of science, not it's conclusion. The media instead sees this as a big controversial headline that will grab clicks and eyeballs, so they push it without explaining any of the context. Because context is complicated and doesn't drive viewers to advertisers.

[@laurelanne5071]

Squaring up for my boy Jonny, how dare they not invite you to the conference! In all seriousness, though, content like this is important. In a world where facts are constantly being purposely misrepresented, showing how numbers can be misleading even if they're correct is so valuable. I don't have skin in this game; I have to remind myself to eat to not get lightheaded and weak, so fasting is best left to the wayside, but I enjoyed your video breaking down the science of it.

[@pondboy3682]

Third review I've seen of this... study. It's encouraging to hear so much agreement between reviewers! Now, if we could only get scientists to work at the AHA!

[@knday]

Its like some people who die of cardiovascular disease might have had life long struggles with their wieght and could have been trying a intermittent fast diet when they died.

[@TranceGemini12]

Correlation does not mean causation.

[@jlspracher]

Confounding factors are really something, huh?

[@wentoneisendon6502]

It's not a correlation study lol

[@TheImmortuary]

Im currently on day 39 of my 40 day water fast. This is my 4th time doing it. I had medical supervision during my previous fast and my doctor called my results miraculous and inspirational.

[@SuaveHousexx]

Good job bro. My longest is 23 days. I always shot for 30 but going out with friends i would break it when i see them getting ribs and steaks. So now i will no longer meet up at restaurants with them while fasting anymore.

[@TheImmortuary]

@@SuaveHousexx Thats where I have the advantage of having no friends :(.

[@zenastronomy]

binge eating just like binge drinking will be bad for your health

[@goldswaggamer4007]

This is a very interesting study to come out during my 2nd day of water fasting

[@JV-zt8lc]

I’m up to a 5 day every few months. It so much makes me reverse age

[@omnitone]

water fasting?

[@JV-zt8lc]

@@omnitone yes. Water only

[@omnitone]

@@JV-zt8lc oh. i thought for a moment you went without water for as long as you could. yikes.

[@Archontasil]

It's ramadhan,and muslims are no drinking and eating fasting.. im still drinking tho,i don't care what 1600 year old prophet said​@@omnitone

[@Santa-ny1yp]

PFFT! Say we have a man that is 41.5 years old. For the last 6 months he has been on a carnivore diet. He has a heart attack. Papers will blame the current diet even though this guy ate crap for the 41 years before. To be accurate you need a study longer than we currently perform.

[@heatherheather600]

Great job ! I don’t know many ppl that regularly do IF and most of my friends workout. I’m guessing that very few ppl even understood the question. I’m always interested in who was behind the study and their possible motives for the outcome they obtained Can’t wait to hear more when it’s released!

[@howardjessica7704]

The food industry seems worried. “Wait people are buying less food!?” Let’s tell em they will die unless they buy more processed food.

[@moonballoonsmith8238]

New to your channel. Excellent description of absolute and relative risk, as well as the formation of studies in general. Thank you!

[@hzuiel]

My feeling about a study like this would be about the same if a study came out saying that living is dangerous, 100% of living people will die. Air also dangerous, everyone that breathes dies. Its not possible for a lifestyle that is studied and shown to reduce body weight on average, to cause premature death on average, when being overweight is one of the biggest causes of cardiovascular disease and premature death.

[@Ipoetize]

Young Man, You are to be commended for showing the functional "Ness" of your humanity. (showing/admitting ones emotions) Well down You. *The Torch within you is Mighty and Bright, please keep on shining for it gives others permission to show their light too. Thank you and Salute you I do!

[@Blue-Spirit]

What a great finding for the food industry.

[@redspec01]

Thank you for jumping on this and breaking it down for people!

[@MeiraV-]

I am impressed with your analysis & honesty every time I watch!

[@kathleenramirez2379]

16:54 this whole sequence put the biggest smile on my face and had me start my day right! Thank you for making such meaningful videos!

[@chrisfalkner7216]

Appreciate you providing some clarity to the obfuscation. Seriously, this is noble work.

[@starryeye6511]

Ty for making this clear and reinforcing how data sources and the way the data was obtained and processed MATTER. Garbage data in, is garbage out.

[@uberpekes]

The study is total rubbish! It should NEVER have even been given a press release. There are so many issues with the "study". It is based on participants self-reporting which is never accurate. The researchers did not for the control for the types of diets being followed, pre-existing health issues of participants, how many calories, weight of participants, exercise (if any), sleep issues, how many ppl smoke and so on and so on.

[@kayemoore]

Great analysis - THANK YOU for putting in so many missing pieces. I’m going to wait in my status quo zone before changing my fasting mind in relation to this “preliminary data”.

[@calmbeforethestorm9498]

I've seen a few of your videos. You really do good work.

[@user-pt3gi5ul2e]

Johnny, your focus on mechanisms is why I click quickly! John Oliver tore up the topic of puny and sloppy studies pumped into sensational tv news, maybe sometime last year. You may find it cathartic to watch it if you haven't, or possibly even supportive to rewatch it if you have seen it.

[@Sentientdreamer]

I love how much integrity and perseverance you bring to your research. Numbers aren't my friend either... I do have a deep love affair with words tho...🎉❤🎉

[@scottschilling7483]

Great talk . . . Appreciate the " DO MORE LISTENING " aspect .

[@tiredofallthis7716]

Most importantly, I thought to myself I like this guy. I should subscribe. Then I see that I have been subscribed but I have never seen one of your videos pop up in my feed until today.

[@nathansutherland5749]

“Science” seems more concerned with social programming than giving actionable information.

[@Turtle_11c]

damn, better start setting an alarm for snacks during sleep

[@easternpainterpg3697]

I admire the way you state the facts, and your knowledge. You do a wonderful job!

[@audreyquinn73]

I don't know why this video came up, but I am so glad it did. I was recently trying to explain the difference between causation and correlation, and I really preferred your example. Great video! New sub here. Looking forward to watching more videos from you.

[@carlysimons5239]

If you are fasting, isn't it more likely that you need to or want to lose weight. Therefore, you are more likely connected to CVD. What if these are the people who just started to try intermittent fasting, but started too late. I want to know more about the sample of people.

[@strykos4011]

The respondents might have been fasting for blood tests or surgery, or to address obesity, epilepsy, or other pre-existing health conditions.

[@Noicul]

"You should never take life too seriously, you never get out alive."

[@silverandexact]

Omg I love that poster in the background! (Help me fill in the ones I don't know?) - Virgil from Static Shock - Vincent from Recess - ? (blue shirt) - Cyborg from Teen Titans - Tucker from Danny Phantom - ? (sitting down) - Gerald from Hey Arnold

[@godfreecharlie]

This country needs more sensible, intelligent, and inspiring people like you. You present information to the common person that has the help in understanding it built in the presentation. I hope you continue your studies because here in the future you can be of tremendous help in getting the country back to thinking rationally and less reactionary. Thanks for your time. Studies and doing your presentation is time consuming so stay healthy please!

[@AFKxander]

They didn't take into account that most people fasting are trying to lose weight. AND MIGHT HAVE HEART CONDITIONS

[@greglongmore6503]

A damn shame because here context doesn't just matter, it's basically more important than the research. Where you landed is where I started, not because I spend much time on this kind of research (thank you) but it's always true that the variables never make the headlines. This is what kills us with butter, fat meat, first and what not; it's bad then it's good but it's a struggle to tell the good story. I was also told a while ago that researchers often enough just want attention for funding, etc. And good luck getting the average man to read through this stuff.

[@Goldenhawk583]

butter and fatty meat is good for you.. did you mean to say that? I mean. its all I eat, apart from eggs and milk.

[@greglongmore6503]

@@Goldenhawk583 Yes, I mean the studies that said they were bad decades ago were bad science and it's near impossible to undo the damage done in the culture's view of these products.

[@REXOB9]

Nice reporting. I appreciate you taking a balanced, analytical approach to the study and the data.

[@SupraSav]

Been fasting since I was young. Partially because I had no choice and partially because it became my adopted lifestyle. I am fit and look almost half my age. I think there are many other factors that play into fasting. Stress levels, quality of food, sleep, water intake, and proper nutritional balance to name a few things.

[@Oktavia.Von.Stroganoff]

I wonder if they excluded people with eating disorders. Because someone with anorexia nervosa would probably consider themselves as someone who only eats in an 8 hour window in a study/survey taken like this. As most people know, eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of mental illnesses and that cause of death is usually cardiovascular related. I am calling out specifically anorexia nervosa but it could be other eating disorders as well, like atypical anorexia b/p type. Obviously we don't know right now if there was a way to weed out those with eating disorders, but I would be fascinated to find out more as this paper gets released.

[@nonfungiblemushroom]

Most people are on the 12-16, not even trying to be on that ratio. But those on an intermittent fasting ratio almost certainly chose to do so very intentionally. Why? Likely due to being overweight. So what am I getting at? If those people are 91% more at risk, it would seem ostensible to suspect that it's due to their prior lifestyle, the one that caused them to be overweight in the first place, that would be responsible for their death, not the intermittent fasting itself?

[@RickRaven]

Great video 🎉 You did a fantastic job breaking down the details. Cheers.

[@Dan-xo9ly]

Science by press release should not be allowed. All papers should be released in full or not at all.

[@ditoo2002]

Muslims have been fasting for 30 consecutive days every year for the past 1000+ years, + possibly every monday and thursday as well without ever having any issues regarding it. I try not to be biased as much as possible but when i see something thats been done for so long and has proven health benefits suddenly gets shown in this lighting it just annoys me. You're gonna need to have impeccable evidence to convince most people that fasting is actually bad for you. In case anyone was wondering muslims fast from sunrise to sunset (no water, or anything) but as soon as its sunset you're supposed to break your fast as soon as possible, its considered bad to prolongue it. Usually we break our fast with dates. Also its ramadan right now so all the muslims you know are currently fasting these days.

[@whycantwegetalong4465]

They apparently eat the equivalent of 2 Thanksgiving dinners in those 8 hours. So it makes sense to me the Ramadan effect has skewed the numbers

[@ditoo2002]

@@whycantwegetalong4465 that's not true at all. Some do sure, but most don't, and that definitely was not true at all for the past 1000+ years, if this is the case nowadays then it's probably due to technology and how readily available food is to most countries. But if you think back then, when they used to live in the desert with the water source coming from a well and their food source was dates, a few fruits, and maybe lamb if you had the money. You really think they ate like that? I'm not trying to sound rude, I'm about to drive to my uni so I don't have much time to write this, but think about it. Most of the muslims that have been fasting for a long time have never had any problems, but now it's suddenly bad for you? That doesn't make sense. Though we do follow how the prophet used to break his fast, maybe that some sort of health benefit to counteract the things that could increase the chances of dying or whatever. We start by breaking our fast with dates as soon as possible, then eat a bit, and before sunrise you're also urged to eat dates again(different kind of date though) to give you another boost of energy before you begin fasting again Edit: the prophet did always say to eat enough, not till you're full, so there's that as well.

[@whycantwegetalong4465]

I think it was sneako with a couple dawahs the other day. Teaching him. I think they implied it was expected to eat what you can. Not what you need. Obviously it would have been harder to behave like that until recent years. But they probably had a more sensible approach. But sadly it seems Ramadan is going the way Christmas has. I also recently heard some statistics on Muslim health over Ramadan and it had a similar conclusion. Please have a look. If I am wrong I can take it I will concede my error.

[@ditoo2002]

@@whycantwegetalong4465 no I completely agree with you about what people have been doing in Ramadan. It's now just a holiday where people indulge for a whole month. It's sad really. To my knowledge though is only in the gulf region, the rest of Muslims actually do fast properly(I'm from the gulf myself). People used to get ready to lose weight in Ramadan and become healthier, it was like the month people used to restart their system and start being healthier in general by like exercising more, eating less, developing healthy habits and whatnot. Its not the case for many people nowadays.

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

I've been fasting since I was basically a child. I've been fasting since I was a teenager. I don't eat all day till I get home. I'm 50 years old. Nobody knows my age if I don't tell them. Fasting Is the only way to cleanse our body of the poisons in our food, water and air.

[@SandDunesGuy]

True, recall is the worst way to measure intake. Good work.

[@s0cializedpsych0path]

First time I'm seeing you, about 8 minutes in.... definitely subbed!!!

[@Hossak]

How did we manage to survive this long then? Centuries ago, starvation was the normal state for everyone.

[@TheMelnTeam]

This study is measuring deaths from heart disease. Dying from not eating, trauma, being poisoned, or other medical issues which can't be treated with tech available would be common alternatives in the past. The only thing a study like this is good for is to give hints as to which co-factors are relevant. If older people eat within a smaller window, that would be explanatory on its own. But maybe that's not the case, and instead we find out it's due to more stressful jobs or some other causal factor which makes both cardiac issues and eating within a small window more likely.

[@greenalien5509]

Centuries ago the average person didn't live to 40.

[@doctormarazanvose4373]

@@greenalien5509 Centuries ago they had wars and disease. Medication keeps billions out of the grave for decades. One of Alexander the Great's generals was charging into battle on horseback at the age of 76. With today's grain based diet the majority are lucky to be able to climb the stairs at 76.

[@TheMelnTeam]

@@greenalien5509 That's mostly because of much higher infant mortality (age of death near 0 plummets the average). People who survived childbirth often made it into 60s, with 70s being less common but not exactly rare. Even during the years of the bubonic plague, average age of death was in 40s if you don't include infant mortality, way lower than usual but still > 40.