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Wings of Pegasus

Wings of Pegasus

Күн бұрын

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@Timmy1825
@Timmy1825 Ай бұрын
What’s funny to me is yesterday I went out and watched a cover band play music from back in the 70s 80s and 90s. They did music from the Eagles,Journey, AC/DC, Pat Benatar, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Prince, etc. They didn’t use backing tracks and they didn’t mime or lip sync. They just played instruments and sang the songs. And you know what? It was great! I enjoyed the music thoroughly even though it wasn’t perfect every single second of every single song. it was just plain old music being played and sung, it sounded great and a good time was had by all. Why can’t the original artists realize we aren’t there to hear perfection, we are there to hear them play and sing the songs we love so we can sing along and have a good time? it boggles my mind.
@GuitarRogRogerSaltel
@GuitarRogRogerSaltel Ай бұрын
I know a local cover band and they use backing tracks for "some" backing vocals but if the band is doing that who knows what they are really playing.
@azotelli
@azotelli Ай бұрын
The times have got so weird, right? When I hear a singer go slightly out of tune, I get happy because I know they’re singing live. 😂
@alexanderSydneyOz
@alexanderSydneyOz Ай бұрын
If the likes of Don Henley and other original artists from decades ago did actually try to sing uncorrected, you might wish they had
@IAm-qf2xb
@IAm-qf2xb Ай бұрын
Ethanol
@ruthlafler5622
@ruthlafler5622 Ай бұрын
​@alexanderSydneyOz the guys in these classic bands are all in their 70s; some of them are in their 80s. They can't sing like that anymore. They should retire!
@margaretbarnes5254
@margaretbarnes5254 Ай бұрын
Considering what a snit Don Henley has been throwing about people reacting to his/the Eagles’ music online, being called out for this chicanery is fully justified. Keep telling the truth, Fil!! 💯👏👍
@joestrat2723
@joestrat2723 Ай бұрын
He's a greedy bastard, no doubt about that.
@ellenlewis9860
@ellenlewis9860 Ай бұрын
Amen!
@zaphodrahja
@zaphodrahja Ай бұрын
If the best he can do is fake it maybe its time to quit and stop lying to paying customers.
@timmillan6701
@timmillan6701 Ай бұрын
Chicanery - you don’t hear that one very often
@margaretbarnes5254
@margaretbarnes5254 Ай бұрын
@@zaphodrahja AMEN!!!
@MrOuazo
@MrOuazo Ай бұрын
Don is so protective of eagles legacy, he doesn't want anyone to sing the songs anymore... even himself!!
@ThomasBode
@ThomasBode Ай бұрын
The only thing he wants to protect is his wealth.
@cheshacat
@cheshacat Ай бұрын
@@MrOuazo 🤣😂
@rranger1014
@rranger1014 Ай бұрын
Clever!😁
@annmarie3573
@annmarie3573 Ай бұрын
He still wants the big $ from the "shows" though!
@Grant.Highland
@Grant.Highland Ай бұрын
💯
@jimsteffel
@jimsteffel Ай бұрын
I saw Led Zeppelin in the 70s. Robert Plant's voice was shot from touring, but he made the most of it and so did we. Loved the show! That's real, that's what makes it "live".
@ryanjones4150
@ryanjones4150 Ай бұрын
For sure ! Zeppelin is a great example of a band that used the studio as an instrument and there is often lots of overdubs and production going on, so when they played things live they couldn't really do that, but it was somehow even better. Their live performances are very powerful, the benchmark for a rock performance IMHO.
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee Ай бұрын
Personally, that situation is the one where I don't mind if they use backing tracks for lead vocals... if the artist's voice is shot, maybe towards the end of the tour, and they just can't sing... but the show must go on. But Fil's example even has backing tracks for the background vox, which is like... really?! And then, with ticket prices having gone thru the roof, someone might be lucky to see 1 show per summer, and spend hundreds of dollars just on the ticket, plus parking, fees, food & bev, merch... and after all that, you find out you paid for them to stream some prerecorded songs thru their PA.
@winstonsmith8240
@winstonsmith8240 Ай бұрын
I would expect no less from Robert Plant. Legend, (and musician) that he is.
@bloozedaddy
@bloozedaddy Ай бұрын
Plant's range was toast by 1972 . That was the last time he ever sang "Rock And Roll" like the record.
@amt5911
@amt5911 Ай бұрын
​@@bloozedaddyThey were toast because Plant had to have nodules removed from his vocal cords in 1972, which was a dangerous procedure back then. He's lucky he could sing at all after that.
@gu1tarman233
@gu1tarman233 Ай бұрын
72 year old here. I've played in bands and recorded artistes using reel-to-reel, and latterly DAWs, throughout my life, and I have to say your logic is flawless! Keep it up.
@ceboz
@ceboz Ай бұрын
72.. sure, sure
@stevemacdreamcolours
@stevemacdreamcolours Ай бұрын
62 years old here still playing, gigging and recording, and I look forward keep going past 72, 82, and my last breath; if the Stones are doing it… I don’t get how anyone can be surprised about it ❤
@djsguitars01
@djsguitars01 Ай бұрын
As a live musician and studio owner I recently posted on a Billie Ellis live video & of course between songs her vocal was out of breath & "live" & as soon as the track started her vocal was super smooth processed studio quality and in stereo etc - live concerts today are a money making sham....keep highlighting this charade!
@tekis0
@tekis0 Ай бұрын
Yes, we must point this out, so actual musicians AND fans understand.
@justintime42000
@justintime42000 Ай бұрын
@@djsguitars01 That’s sad and disappointing. I thought Billie Eilish was one of the singers who was always singing live. Pink is live and I think Lady Gaga is too, but I’m not sure about LG.
@in2livinit
@in2livinit Ай бұрын
Welcome to the future, Right ?
@Rik77
@Rik77 Ай бұрын
But was that an official "live" video or a fan video from a phone? If an official release she probably was singing live at the event, but post production has been added afterwards by the producers. It's best to check an actual fan phone recording.
@voiceineheadphones
@voiceineheadphones Ай бұрын
She’s a subpar singer anyways. We should stop acting like she’s actually good.
@simonnorth5008
@simonnorth5008 Ай бұрын
My god! What a con! Unforgivable. I'm so pleased I haven't wasted my hard earned cash buying tickets to see them! Great work Fil as always
@kmt3614
@kmt3614 Ай бұрын
Ditto...going back to the early 90's ...I went to 2 Pink Floyd concerts that cost me a quarter of what going to see only 1 eagles concerts. I have never had an interest in spending hard earned money to see eagles.
@LauraCollins-s6n
@LauraCollins-s6n Ай бұрын
​@@kmt3614Look at Fil"s calling out members of Pink Floyd too! 😢
@LauraCollins-s6n
@LauraCollins-s6n Ай бұрын
Don just throwing his pennies to the lowest bidder to do his musical and PR dirty work for him🤑 What a bunch of sell outs! You can say NO, you know. There are still plenty of artists who would love an honest producer not a manufacturer. Which is what these complicit crooks should be properly named going forward
@chrisbenson6683
@chrisbenson6683 Ай бұрын
Con Henley
@bloozedaddy
@bloozedaddy Ай бұрын
​@@kmt3614he just busted Roger Waters a while back.
@timjohnson3877
@timjohnson3877 Ай бұрын
You're 100% correct Fil. As someone who's done audio prod/post-prod, there's absolutely zero chance you could get two waveforms (with pitch or amplitude represented on the y-axis) to match like that in an overlay. Anyone who suggests this could be due to inefficient software (as you've observed) either doesn't understand audio or is lying :-). Have to be honest -- I knew this happened with some acts, but your revelations in this channel have left my jaw on the floor. Astonishing.
@bms9144
@bms9144 Ай бұрын
The Eagles are charging $1100+ per seat with a hotel package so people can essentially listen to a faux live "hits" album while they pretend to sing. I wonder if the instruments are pre-recorded too? Fraud.
@brendonwood7595
@brendonwood7595 Ай бұрын
It is very hard to get a man to understand something that his livelihood depends on him not understanding. I also think its a symptom of doing more shows more closely together than the vocalists are actually capable of and their voice recovering between them. Age probably contributing even bigger recovery times.
@dawndimanno7129
@dawndimanno7129 Ай бұрын
And to have untrained people tell me, that's because they have performed it so often they just do the exact same thing. Wtf! You have obviously NOT EVER performed! As a.musician, no way!!!
@21palica
@21palica Ай бұрын
@@dawndimanno7129 Even as someone who never had a single singing class, but is musical enough to be able to sing along "pretty well" to known songs (or so I am/have been told by trained singers and friends alike), a bit more than to simply carry a tune, even I know how bad my voice sounds after a concert or a party at which I was "singing along". To be honest, if the concert is by a band/singer I really like and whose many lyrics I know by heart, it's gonna take days until I am able to speak normally again (the worst combination by far is hard rock/metal music and beer).
@bobbys4327
@bobbys4327 25 күн бұрын
@@dawndimanno7129 Yeah, even timing wise no one could do it singing one note.
@jessicatee5833
@jessicatee5833 Ай бұрын
All I can do is laugh, and then retch, knowing Don Henley could not care less about his fan base. Let the money roll in, must be his mantra. Sickening. Great job as usual, Fil!
@dcallan812
@dcallan812 Ай бұрын
yep, just let the fools pay me to stand on stage and move about a bit. 🤦‍♂next it will be a video screen
@LillyMarz777
@LillyMarz777 Ай бұрын
Didn't anyone ever tell him you can't take it with you? At his age he better get right with Jesus pronto.
@JTPiano2011
@JTPiano2011 Ай бұрын
Jesus lip synced all his sermons. I knew his sound tech 😊
@LillyMarz777
@LillyMarz777 Ай бұрын
@@JTPiano2011 🤣🤣🤣
@dubmaster01
@dubmaster01 Ай бұрын
Smells like chump
@southerncomfortuk
@southerncomfortuk Ай бұрын
Oh the irony of The Eagles blocking live covers/performances of their songs by other artists on KZbin. Their management cites copyright in the KZbin channel ‘strikes’ (to prevent monetisation of Eagles songs), but they seem to have no problem duping audiences at their live shows for financial gain. Great analysis Fil 🙏
@williamfletcher5760
@williamfletcher5760 Ай бұрын
Again this is a product of private downloads, extremely low payment from platforms like Spotify, so bands have to squeeze out every penny. to give yo an idea our last album was self financed and cost 350k. We will make a loss on this offer 100k. A band can only sell so much merch.
@ruthlafler5622
@ruthlafler5622 Ай бұрын
@southerncomfortuk from the comments I've seen, the Eagles are the very worst about copyright strikes. There's another comment here about them hiring 50 people to monitor for them, which probably costs more than any lost royalties. It's very short-sighted, because the people playing their music now are the ones keeping them alive. Perhaps they haven't noticed that their original audience is dying off and no one under the age of 40 has heard of them. I watch a lot of reaction channels, and millennials and younger have literally no idea about bands and performers whose heyday was before 1995. Who are the Beatles? Who are the Rolling Stones? Who are the Eagles? Who is Barbra Streisand? Etc.
@southerncomfortuk
@southerncomfortuk Ай бұрын
@ so true. It’s difficult to think of a reason they wouldn’t just claim copyright and get paid for all the cover versions of their songs.
@williamfletcher5760
@williamfletcher5760 Ай бұрын
@@southerncomfortuk First this is on a global scale. It's up to the cover artist to report the use and get a license. Do that and all is good. The is family on KZbin who are cover songs right left and centre, they don't report and tale 100% of the money. The rights are broken down into a number of categories each governed by different collection agents. PRS for Music looks after publishing and performance for UK (there's one for most countries) then there is mechanical rights (TV, film and Streaming video (again one fro each country). Give each licence costs a pittance they cannot go searching for this thieves. We do give fair use to education, and review like Rick Beato channel etc. Now we have to fight the AI thieves too.
@southerncomfortuk
@southerncomfortuk Ай бұрын
@ KZbin’s algorithm picks up unlicensed copyrighted material and notifies the artist. The copyright owner has a choice (as many do), to allow the cover version to remain but to receive any monetisation. I’m guessing the company doesn’t need the money from the cover versions artists post. Rick Beats has done a good break down of the issue 👍 . Our tiny channel isn’t monetised, it was primarily a lockdown project to keep in touch with friends and family. In terms of views, it’s unlikely many people see it 🤣.
@mombreamusic
@mombreamusic Ай бұрын
Fake it to the limit, Con Henley!
@beatlesarebest
@beatlesarebest Ай бұрын
Well, it's official. I trust no one in the music biz except you my friend. Thank you for your honesty.
@LillyMarz777
@LillyMarz777 Ай бұрын
I like Boat Rawker and Conspiracy Music Guru. They seem like legit dudes.
@martinsundland7614
@martinsundland7614 Ай бұрын
We all kind of knew that the music industry was arrogant and duplicitous but you've outed these critters for once and for all. Good stuff!
@panpunkt5185
@panpunkt5185 Ай бұрын
100%
@onusgumboot5565
@onusgumboot5565 Ай бұрын
The music industry was always crooked. It was a way for organised crime to launder money for a long time. Nobody has integrity in the music business. I only bother seeing small time bands in bars. They really play, and can be more entertaining than the huge venue shows anyway.
@frankowalker4662
@frankowalker4662 Ай бұрын
"Let's spend a fortune to listen to an album with a bunch of strangers while a band mimes to it."
@richardpatrick2852
@richardpatrick2852 Ай бұрын
Well ,it is a "live performance". Don, et al, are alive and they are doing something on the stage. In 2024/25 it's the best you can hope for!
@openmodalguitar61
@openmodalguitar61 Ай бұрын
​@@richardpatrick2852Maybe they're holograms
@azotelli
@azotelli Ай бұрын
​@@openmodalguitar61that's the next step, 😂
@a9ball1
@a9ball1 Ай бұрын
If you think about the word performance it doesn't mean real. If you saw a con man throwing himself against a car and claiming that the car hit him you might say to yourself "what a performance".
@frankowalker4662
@frankowalker4662 Ай бұрын
@@richardpatrick2852 Sadly, that is very true. 😞
@undersixty
@undersixty Ай бұрын
Keep telling the truth! Music industry needs to be accountable.🎉🎉🎉
@simonrussell77
@simonrussell77 Ай бұрын
Not the music industry as a whole, just the charlatans in it.
@undersixty
@undersixty Ай бұрын
@simonrussell77 Sad to day, it's probably most of the industry
@bobfrankish8883
@bobfrankish8883 Ай бұрын
Firstly Fil, what a top guy you are. I am 72, started playing guitar aged 13, only stopped a couple of years ago due to arthritis, and was a sound engineer all my working life, so I can say I know a bit. The Eagles were one of my favourite bands and I have seen them 3 times, albeit a long time ago. I really would love to think that they were not miming back then, but the sad truth is that you would not really know. The venues are so large, even if you managed to get the very best seats, you are so far divorced from the artists it's impossible to tell 100%. Everyone has their own opinion. Personally, I would not pay good money to go and see McCartney croak his way through a 2 hour set, it's the same thing to me as having to put up with a distorted mobile disco system at a wedding, the perfectionist in me just cannot stand it. It's sad, but if you want to hear tunes from bands who peaked in the late 70's played accurately to the originals, it's tribute bands all the way. What the Eagles are now doing is a disgrace to the industry and would be fraud in any other sector.
@elizabethmiller7291
@elizabethmiller7291 Ай бұрын
Well said! I love tribute and cover bands because they work hard to keep the real music that we have loved for decades alive and well. It saddens me to see online all of the disrespect these bands can get sometimes from so-called music lovers. Do you know Classic Albums Live - the ultimate and preeminent cover band who play classic rock albums, front to back, as they were meant to be listened to ... cut for cut, note for note .... it's like being transported back in time to recording studio and listening to your favourite album as it is being recorded!
@rutabega2039
@rutabega2039 Ай бұрын
I saw Pink Floyd live back in 1987 and I remember thinking at the time that their performance was so pitch-perfect and spot on that I wondered if they were just miming to the records. Nobody I mentioned this to took me seriously or believed that it was the case ... but was it?
@bloozedaddy
@bloozedaddy Ай бұрын
They weren't miming back then. Henley has just gotten lazy .
@cheshacat
@cheshacat Ай бұрын
@@rutabega2039 A recent analysis Fil showed that Roger Waters did mime. I don't know if he's done Pink Floyd with or without Waters.
@waltblackadar4690
@waltblackadar4690 Ай бұрын
@@cheshacat The funny part of that is that Waters can't sing anyway.
@pedromancenithe3rd
@pedromancenithe3rd Ай бұрын
If this doesn't piss Don Henley off, then I don't know what will. He had a hissy fit at Rick Beato, for just playing Eagles music but criticising Henley for lip syncing is on another level. Providing the Eagles tell their ticket paying fans, that they lip sync, at their concerts, then that's fair---it's not good but at least it's being honest.
@davem2206
@davem2206 Ай бұрын
Love Rick Beato even more.....Eagles loss after seeing the Interviews with Rick Wakeman, Police (seperately), Billy Cogan, Skunk Baxter.....
@Yesica1993
@Yesica1993 Ай бұрын
"He had a hissy fit at Rick Beato, for just playing Eagles music" Yikes, I must have missed that. Sheesh! I don't understand that mentality. You're getting more exposure for your music, maybe even to younger/newer fans!
@Peter-t9n
@Peter-t9n Ай бұрын
​@Yesica1993 Yeah. Moved Rick to put on a suit and tie and go to court to clarify copyright laws. There is a video from Rick on his experience. He found out that Henley hired 50 people to monitor who's playing Eagles music without licence. Pretty sad old man!!
@SuziQ.
@SuziQ. Ай бұрын
@@Peter-t9n, He’s a greedy old man.
@susancampbell7335
@susancampbell7335 Ай бұрын
I like ric beatto too
@stevekravcik609
@stevekravcik609 Ай бұрын
A few weeks ago I attended “The Eighties Party” concert in Ottawa. Playing were Men Without Hats, The Spoons, A Flock of Seagulls and Honeymoon Suite. Imperfect and aged, but gloriously real and emotive. I would attend such a concert any day compared to a band, any band, that lip-synched or autotuned.
@elizabethmiller7291
@elizabethmiller7291 Ай бұрын
Don't you think it would be great if these bands would start promoting the fact that their gigs are fully live and fans don't have to worry about whether they are hearing what they think they are hearing and just enjoy the raw and visceral vocals?
@mybestfriendisamonkey173
@mybestfriendisamonkey173 24 күн бұрын
Oh my goodness I bet that was an amazing concert I can only imagine what it was like.
@patbusnello9658
@patbusnello9658 Ай бұрын
They changed the vocal part in the Vegas show that was analyzed previously. Is it a coincidence? Nope, it's the 'Fil Factor'! 🤘
@Dan-dg9pi
@Dan-dg9pi Ай бұрын
I totally believe that 77 year old Don Henley did two performances two months apart EXACTLY the same in every note. What a performer!
@thedeathwobblechannel6539
@thedeathwobblechannel6539 Ай бұрын
I guess Don Henley really can't come to grips with being public about his voice has changed as he's gotten older as every artist has some of them even to the point where they won't sing anymore they're just retired and make the rounds take pictures sign autographs chat with people but they don't have the voice power anymore
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 Ай бұрын
Yup. I am listening in headphones, and the identical performances are unreal....I mean actually unreal! LOL!
@Rkbmomma
@Rkbmomma Ай бұрын
Pretty rare that some folks can sing nearly similar to when they were in their 30s & 40s. I can't imagine why people would pay so much money to see & hear their beloved singer(s) really just half sing, half speak their songs. The biggest and hugest difference is breath control.
@simalakasatsimaganda
@simalakasatsimaganda Ай бұрын
@@thedeathwobblechannel6539 Jon Anderson of Yes is in top form at age 80+. Just released a project called "True" with the Band Geeks. Genes and luck play a role, but dedication to the craft is the biggest controllable factor. Henley probably lacked the dedication to get his voice in performance shape, but still had to get himself and his crew paid (if there are other factors, i plead ignorant). But it's undeniable the lack of dedication goes downstream to the fans he's ripping off.
@anthonyharty1732
@anthonyharty1732 Ай бұрын
@@simalakasatsimagandaJon has got a marvellous voice. I’ve always loved his singing.
@albertschepis
@albertschepis Ай бұрын
I did enjoy this SO MUCH! Especially the little backing harmony surprise at the end was very satisfying and amusing the way you share it. I respect how you carefully choose your words too, Fil. Very professional.
@Heightsomethinghuman
@Heightsomethinghuman Ай бұрын
Everything about Fil’s professionalism commands respect. He conducts himself in such a mannerly way you just grow to love him and what he stands for for.
@auroraromano7404
@auroraromano7404 Ай бұрын
Gee can't wait to go spend $500 USD to go see a geezer band in Vegas at the sphere😂
@barbaradownie3265
@barbaradownie3265 Ай бұрын
THANK YOU FIL FOR CALLING THEM OUT 💜🙏💜
@Vita_Terra
@Vita_Terra Ай бұрын
Keep up this important work in the public interest!
@Cashcrop54
@Cashcrop54 Ай бұрын
"Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in"! Thanks Fil! I'm not shocked anymore.
@thomasberry-yn2ml
@thomasberry-yn2ml Ай бұрын
Do you even realize what a great person you are?. So honest and fair. Handsome and an award winning smile. Wouldn't miss your videos. Thanks for what you do. I'm not very musical, but I have learned a lot watching you.
@DavidBritton-nl1wv
@DavidBritton-nl1wv Ай бұрын
Get a room!
@lisahorton9163
@lisahorton9163 Ай бұрын
You say let you know what we think. I think performers who have aged to the point they can no longer sing live at a 'live' performance should retire, and young ones who just don't want to sing live should quit. I think you are genius for explaining miming - lip-synching - in a way even a layman, or laywoman, can understand is pretty amazing. Thanks for all the hard work and effort. Hope you have a great New Year.
@KevanCorkill
@KevanCorkill Ай бұрын
Hi Fil 😊 Thank you for bringing this to us sadly once again as Don Henley thinks he can play fast and loose with the public trust so now he's going to have to change another song in his set. All they understand is money and the only way to combat this is to take away what they most want. Your analysis is like a lawyer preparing for a case... it is ironclad... they cannot run from the evidence and so they must have to decide whether to comply or quit. Thank you for all that you do. Have a great day and Rock 🤘🏾
@loriematthews6418
@loriematthews6418 Ай бұрын
The conclusion? They just don't care... The bottom line? Money. Still, it's a shame. And shouldn't be called a "live"show. Appreciate you Fil!🌷
@tgsunflower79
@tgsunflower79 Ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing Fil!
@konstantia1607
@konstantia1607 Ай бұрын
@@loriematthews6418 Hi Lorie! I agree. They can do as they please and call it "Art"-- but not call it "live!"
@loriematthews6418
@loriematthews6418 Ай бұрын
@konstantia1607 👌🏼💯 Gtsy! 🙋🏻💕
@loriematthews6418
@loriematthews6418 Ай бұрын
@konstantia1607 🙋🏻💕
@larryk5541
@larryk5541 Ай бұрын
I think Dire Straits sang about this. They called the song Money for Nothing.
@backr6060
@backr6060 Ай бұрын
Here's something ironic: 10 years ago in a Rolling Stone article Don Henley was quoted as saying that perhaps the reason that Led Zeppelin never re-united is because Robert Plant can't hit "those notes" anymore. Integrity: Plant-1, Henley-0.
@LudiCrust.
@LudiCrust. 21 күн бұрын
He’s bitter bc all the mega bands from the 70s openly mocked him & the Eagles. They were editing all their “live” stuff even back then. He has probably been miming most of his career.
@ruthlafler5622
@ruthlafler5622 Ай бұрын
If you pull apart a studio track where the lead vocal has been doubled, even then, in the studio, they won't overlap that exactly. I've seen an analysis of a doubled Karen Carpenter track (not a for the purpose of criticism, just to look at how the recording was constructed) where it was pointed out that the timing, the pitch and even the vowel sounds were not exactly the same. If Karen Carpenter can't do it in a studio, no one can do it, and especially not live.
@davidsellers3639
@davidsellers3639 Ай бұрын
😂everybody has to cheat now
@ruthlafler5622
@ruthlafler5622 Ай бұрын
@davidsellers3639 that's the thing, though. They don't have to cheat, they just think they do.
@vestibulate
@vestibulate Ай бұрын
Interviewed in 2015, Henley said, "My voice isn't going to last that much longer. I have good days and bad days. But I'm OK with that. I realise how fortunate we are to have had such long careers. It rarely happens in this business. And I don't want to retire." So 1.) His voice was going. 2.) He had no intention of quitting. 3.) The solution he came up with is obvious.
@justintime42000
@justintime42000 Ай бұрын
@@vestibulate I’m not defending Henley or lip syncing at concerts, but so many are doing it (who are decades younger even) and selling tickets as though they were performing live, it’s not really fair to single out any one artist. No one is preventing any of them from perpetuating this fraud. Some class action lawsuits on artists such as The Eagles, Taylor Swift, Janet Jackson, Madonna and others, plus Live Nation when it’s the promoter, would likely change this lip syncing fraud for the better. At the very least, anyone using prerecorded vocals should be required by law to say on the concert announcements and ticket buying sites, plus the actual tickets “some vocals will have been prerecorded” or “some previously recorded tracks will be used” so people will be informed and have a choice. Suing them all for billions is probably the only way to end the deception.
@vestibulate
@vestibulate Ай бұрын
@@justintime42000 This business about not singling out any one individual is just another means to silence criticism. People who commit fraud are going to be named. You've named a number of them yourself. It could be said that you're singling them out unfairly when others not mentioned are equally guilty. Where does that leave us?
@justintime42000
@justintime42000 Ай бұрын
@@vestibulate Seems like you didn’t bother to read everything I said and that you singled out one thing to be argumentative about. I said I wasn’t defending Henley. They ALL need to be sued. I wasn’t trying to silence YOU or anyone else. Just getting Vince Gill and Deacon Frey to sing was one way to extend the longevity of the band. Henley has been trying to figure out how to get The Eagles to run on empty for at least as long as Glenn Frey has been gone! I can’t understand why anyone would pay big money to see them live to hear Deacon Frey try to be his dad. They lost too much when Glenn died. The problem is industry wide. I want to see them all, including the promoters, venues, ticket sellers, sound people and everyone else who enables and profits from this fraud to be called out publicly, and not just here on KZbin, and make them pay. The question is, who is going to sue them and how? It probably has to be a class action lawsuit (at least in the US) because nobody who buys concert tickets has the money to pay attorneys for something this huge. Perhaps we could all write to our state and local consumer affairs offices and complain about ALL the artists, including The Eagles and Henley, who are defrauding the public. Maybe the local governments can do something. All ticket vendors (including the resellers) have to put total ticket prices online now including fees, for all New York shows, so they can’t surprise people with huge fees after they’ve started the buying process anymore. A small victory against the Ticketmaster/Live Nation monopoly, but it’s something. I think by your spelling you probably live in the UK, so consider complaining to whoever your consumer authorities are, about whichever artists you want. Contact BBC and Sky News. The more the merrier. Email them proof. The mainstream press and music press getting ahold of this story will help give it more of the publicity it needs. Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair or NME, you name it, could all get on board, if they dare to care! I noticed while watching Glastonbury that people weren’t lip syncing, and I wondered if the people who put on the festival insist on all live performances. If so, good for them! The Eagles are on their way out. At least they did give live performances for years. Some of these younger artists have likely never done a single concert without lip syncing. They should all pay regardless of age but perhaps it’s younger artists who should take the lead by saying “I promise I won’t lip sync live or use auto tune, like so many others are doing” without getting sued by anyone themselves, to help spread the word that live singing matters, if they have the guts to do it. Pink did it! It’s the future that matters more than what the old dinosaurs are doing. People will say they’re old, who cares? (I don’t feel this way myself but I do care about the present and future of music even though I am not young anymore myself. I want younger people to know and experience what real music is. I had that real experience for my youth.) Younger artists like Taylor Swift can’t be thought of as being too old to sing live. This whole ridiculous physical performance emphasis on singers is a lot of what’s to blame on why all the younger folks are dancing and lip syncing their way through live shows instead of really singing. Bringing back live singing on TV shows too, so the standards are changed from physical displays to actual talent displays, would be a good start too. Since we don’t pay big money for TV, it can’t be enforced or sued into submission, but they could take a stand, if the public demanded it. Hope I have made my position clearer! Sorry this was so long.
@vestibulate
@vestibulate Ай бұрын
@@justintime42000 Jesus Christ. Relax, will you?
@davem2206
@davem2206 Ай бұрын
Thanks Fil for doing this, it was obvious this was not a live vocal when I saw them in Manchester. I would also be dubious about the backing vocals through most of the songs... but appreciate that would be harder to prove.....also as much as I love Joe Walsh, it sounded like he was only singing half of 'in the city'. As for the vocals on 'I can't tell you why' 🧐🧐🧐......Could you review a Paul McCartney concert, I wasnt a huge fan beforehand, but after seeing him live (in the same venue as the Eagles) was blown away and in no doubt that everything was live......vocals weren't perfect but they didn't need to be and in all honesty added to the experience to see an 82 your old man not sounding like his younger self but still sounding incredible, adapted the vocals accordingly and the concert was all the better for it.....Would love to hear your thoughts.
@robertwittjr1198
@robertwittjr1198 Ай бұрын
live from daryl's house #60 ; joe walsh is a guy who stays in his range and cons no one. great channel
@misswendy7298
@misswendy7298 Ай бұрын
Thank you for all your hard work, Fil. The music industry needs to be held accountable. It's wrong that people pay hundreds of pounds for tickets to a performance that isn't authentic.
@cindi1313
@cindi1313 Ай бұрын
Woah, copy and pasted backing vocals, I did not expect that! I kind of thought they might have backing track vocals that they were singing along to, to varying degrees for the backing harmonies, but wow! You always find the little details! Thanks for this, I didn't think the Eagles had suddenly come clean. And the other thing about your methods is, like any good scientific method, it is absolutely repeatable.
@Heightsomethinghuman
@Heightsomethinghuman Ай бұрын
👍
@billdouglass-ty6bl
@billdouglass-ty6bl Ай бұрын
He went into the studio and prob did multiple takes and they took the best one, auto-tuned it and then copied/pasted it 5x's or whatever...it is very high even for dh in his younger days...why cant these guys just retire with their royalty millions and maybe do limited appearances that are authentic? Instead they are ruining whatever legacy the band had...
@panpunkt5185
@panpunkt5185 Ай бұрын
@@billdouglass-ty6bl gonią za mamoną i nie szanują fanów. Przykre.
@Clodhopping
@Clodhopping Ай бұрын
​@@billdouglass-ty6blAnd it's very probable that he sang them in a much lower in the studio for the track you're describing (to keep it sounding smooth) and they dragged his vocal up to pitch. No matter, it's pure fakery.
@scousewillo62
@scousewillo62 Ай бұрын
Great work again Fil. Haters will hate but your review proves beyond a shadow of doubt that these singers are using a recording to mime to.
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque Ай бұрын
It's undeniable, Fil! You got this right again!
@lindadegraaf5767
@lindadegraaf5767 Ай бұрын
Thank you again, Fil, for all your efforts and hard work. You’re absolutely one of THE most genuine, sincere, and uniquely talented artists on all of KZbin. Please know, you are SO APPRECIATED! Happy New Year, looking forward to seeing what you’ll bring us, in 2025!🎉❤
@Heightsomethinghuman
@Heightsomethinghuman Ай бұрын
He really is genuine, sincere and uniquely talented! We are very blessed to have him in this age of miming, autotune and pitch correction!
@TruthSurge
@TruthSurge Ай бұрын
3:46 and THAT'S how you do it, folks! Just grab a vocal from a previous performance that didn't suck and use it for all your next performances and hope no one compares the two with pitch analyzing software!
@Whateva67
@Whateva67 Ай бұрын
That’s easy
@brovold72
@brovold72 Ай бұрын
Do it with all the instrumentals too. Why the heck not?
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 Ай бұрын
Just mail the CD, and save on travel costs/hassles. Maybe send along life size cut outs of the band.
@doctordunc
@doctordunc Ай бұрын
@@Whateva67 But the thing is, it's not that easy. I don't know why an experienced live performer would ever choose to do that. Perfect lip synching is tricky (especially that Mariah Carey one the other week, where she had all these different "live" versions - how would you remember which one you were meant to be miming to?) but also it's easier for a band to lock in together than to lock in to a backing track (if they've played together a lot).
@Heightsomethinghuman
@Heightsomethinghuman Ай бұрын
Fil, so logical & data driven, all wrapped up in a calm objective demonstration. Thank you for the TRUTH we all long for, even though painful at times.
@BrendaMorgan-ne7fu
@BrendaMorgan-ne7fu Ай бұрын
Thanks for being truthful, no matter the pressure. You really cracked me up with the his vocal or her vocal. Always entertaining. Happy New Year Fil.
@stufen11
@stufen11 Ай бұрын
The fact you have never been legally challenged, confirms the legitimacy of your analysis.
@robvoyles
@robvoyles Ай бұрын
there is no reason to analyze the obvious and everyone does it and people dont care.....
@susanblackwood2323
@susanblackwood2323 Ай бұрын
You’re such a nice person calling out producers for being the idiots they are without straight up saying that they are idiots. It’s hard to imagine that Glenn Frey would have ever bought into something like this.
@ilangayouthdanceco.3621
@ilangayouthdanceco.3621 Ай бұрын
I love how you explain the technologies. This dance teacher knows how to get kids to point their toes. LOL, so I really find this so fascinating.
@RaymondBarrett
@RaymondBarrett Ай бұрын
Love how you refute each of their arguments (same vocal, same show, different outfit). Love it!
@spectrum04002
@spectrum04002 Ай бұрын
Accuracy is not created by accident or poor processing. The fact that thew plots overlay and complete each other is in fact testament to the integrity of this comparison methodology. Busted
@LOL-Can
@LOL-Can Ай бұрын
Thank you for another great analysis Fil. I am not a music person and your explanations are very understandable to me. Thank you for the clarity always. Great work.
@snoopyandnoopy
@snoopyandnoopy Ай бұрын
I listened to cover yesterday of Bonnie Raitt's 'I can't make you love me' sung by 'Chase' from 'Foxes and Fossils'. Stunned!!! Another young woman with the genuine talent of Tori Holub....
@ElderSnake90
@ElderSnake90 Ай бұрын
What a mic drop video. Great stuff Fil!
@robzagar4275
@robzagar4275 Ай бұрын
Many years ago the Eagles were booed off the stage in Des Moines Iowa. A few years ago my daughter got us tickets to see them. It seemed live but now I doubt it was. They are stealing fans money . Fraud. Fil you do a good job. Really appreciate your work and music !
@swinetrek
@swinetrek Ай бұрын
I saw Poco open for them many moons ago (before Tim joined the Eagles) and Poco blew them off stage and got sacked from the tour. Poco were great live and , on that night, far better than than Henley and crew.
@michaelrobinson516
@michaelrobinson516 16 күн бұрын
This miming only really started on maybe the end of the last HC tour and start of the farewell tour. I've got videos of various band members rough vocal performances on those previous tours to prove they were singing live.
@silviaturean5387
@silviaturean5387 Ай бұрын
Thank you for your hard work! Your videos are amazing & I especially love when you sing. ❤️
@syckstryng7118
@syckstryng7118 Ай бұрын
I've been following your channel for quite some time. Thank you for exposing all these frauds!
@Coquinagirl
@Coquinagirl Ай бұрын
Thank you, Fil!
@md-ps2hx
@md-ps2hx Ай бұрын
Your surgical analysis is unrivalled. As are your explanations.
@deepzepp4176
@deepzepp4176 Ай бұрын
Great work again, Fil.
@MrAustrokiwi
@MrAustrokiwi Ай бұрын
New-comer to your channel. Keep up the good work. This year there was one concert my wife and I walked out on( black berry smoke) because it sounded and looked like( to us) that it was mimed. We don't know, factually, if it was mimed, what we do know is we won't buy tickets for that band again. My point being is we pay for live performances and if we aren't getting a live performance we won''t support those artists.
@rranger1014
@rranger1014 Ай бұрын
Yeah their act sounded canned when they toured with Skynyrd a while back.
@Saxman777
@Saxman777 Ай бұрын
Glad you did the analysis of this song! Of the songs I'd suspect him of miming on, this one surprises me the least as the times I've heard him sing it, the high falsetto part is nailed strongly and evenly every time which would be very hard to do even without taking into consideration that he's not far from 80 years old.
@DameTremonti
@DameTremonti Ай бұрын
The heat is on.....
@Heightsomethinghuman
@Heightsomethinghuman Ай бұрын
Oooo, it certainly is😮
@SuziQ.
@SuziQ. Ай бұрын
I see what you did there. 😂
@sghi727r
@sghi727r Ай бұрын
Hopefully the heat is not on for Glen Frey and he went north instead of south. 😇 Oh, I forgot. Hell froze over and so The Eagles reunited.
@LittleJohnaton
@LittleJohnaton Ай бұрын
LOL
@DavidHBurkart
@DavidHBurkart Ай бұрын
Appreciate your work and insights Fil, for making audio fact-finding fun again!
@AnalogueInTheUK
@AnalogueInTheUK Ай бұрын
Con Henley is at it again. Please keep these videos coming. Together, we can shame these cheats into retirement and hopefully celebrate some new genuine live artists in 2025. Happy New Year and good health for 2025.
@PppDdd-q1u
@PppDdd-q1u Ай бұрын
Great video Fil. Thanks. It's going to be harder to spot this when someone invents a box using AI to adjust the pre-recorded vocal slightly. Great to uncover this while we can.
@palladen1933
@palladen1933 Ай бұрын
Always preferred The Doobie Brothers anyway, always professional, nice job fil, we liked your Eagle Eye 😅😅😅😅
@andothermoves
@andothermoves Ай бұрын
Thanks
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@colinboakes
@colinboakes Ай бұрын
I saw the Eagles at Earl's Court, 2001. £28 for ticket & travel...amazing show and sound. Henley has an amazing and recognizable vocal but he's been singing for 50+ years so its bound to change. Nobody can dispute what Fil is saying: DON HENLEY IS MIMING! All our heroes grow old but we still love them. Neil Young, Springsteen, James Taylor, Chris Rea, Knopfler, Maiden, Elton John, Dylan and so many more inclding Steve Tyler. We don't need perfection Don, Let The Music Do The Talking. Please don't fake it.
@SuziQ.
@SuziQ. Ай бұрын
Tyler retired. That’s a better look than what Don Henley has been doing.
@mjemigh3304
@mjemigh3304 Ай бұрын
Even McCartney sings live, and he's one I would expect to take advantage of this trend. As recently as 10 years ago he was bragging that he's still in the same key. Now he has let that go and we still love him.
@colinboakes
@colinboakes Ай бұрын
Exactly. He knew it was time. Must be hard though!​@@SuziQ.
@colinboakes
@colinboakes Ай бұрын
​@@mjemigh3304I love Paul. He gets a lot of hate but I've always found him to be genuine.
@WhotheHellknowsAnyway
@WhotheHellknowsAnyway Ай бұрын
What is the music industry gonna do when Artificial Intelligence record albums start to come out with fake band members who do not sing or play instruments, but mime all their performances, like todays performers?
@spillsthecutter
@spillsthecutter Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wingsofpegasus
@wingsofpegasus Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@konstantia1607
@konstantia1607 Ай бұрын
"Obviously, people were making different noises on different nights."😁 Love following your reasoning, Fil. It's brilliant and entertaining, too!
@TexasVernon
@TexasVernon Ай бұрын
Well, that's a thought. Audience members playing back sounds they each had made at some previous concert. Wonder how that would be received by the "band"?
@winstonsmith8240
@winstonsmith8240 Ай бұрын
Wow! Even at 77 he can recreate his performances perfectly. Every single time. That's what I call a singer.
@sylentstorm8422
@sylentstorm8422 Ай бұрын
Hahaha
@billcookerly7529
@billcookerly7529 Ай бұрын
What happens in Vegas eventually gets back to Fil!
@Indianabones007
@Indianabones007 Ай бұрын
Don Henley l’s ego is not going to like this lol! Keep showing them for what they are Fil. I cant believe how many videos I’m watching that is being mimed, thanks for opening my eyes 🤘
@piotrkanarek
@piotrkanarek Ай бұрын
Thank you Fil for what your work!
@dhpbear2
@dhpbear2 Ай бұрын
8:30 - The TIMING is what does it! The odds of all those events occurring at the same relative times to each other is NONE!
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 Ай бұрын
Even in a studio, back to back, not a single human on earth can make IDENTICAL takes. Not even a matter of odds, it is plain and simple, impossible. That fact is why 'doubling' a vocal fattens the sound. It is the tiny timing differences that make it work. Simply duplicating a track only makes it louder. They should be ashamed, charging what they do. - Cheers
@StargirlMusicChannel
@StargirlMusicChannel Ай бұрын
You ROCK - Fil!!! 💗💗💗
@TheVintessa
@TheVintessa Ай бұрын
Daryl Hall’s live performances were always better than what came out of the studio. Even now, when his voice isn’t the same as it was (age 78), he still does a great job. He’s ’real and his touch is true.’
@markkinnish1196
@markkinnish1196 Ай бұрын
Great update as always Fil and all the best
@bibistaufi2653
@bibistaufi2653 Ай бұрын
Thank you, Fil, keep on doing...you are doing the right thing!!!
@bobbys4327
@bobbys4327 Ай бұрын
You are the man Fil. Love your musical knowledge and your musicianship!
@jakethepitador2558
@jakethepitador2558 Ай бұрын
Bro, you have great hair. It was exactly what I was rockin' in my highschool grad year photo in 1984! 👍😁
@juliebrady8583
@juliebrady8583 Ай бұрын
Had a similar thought. My hairstyle around 1981.
@Almcosta25
@Almcosta25 Ай бұрын
Thank you Fil for this brilliant work, for your honesty and search for truce. The fact is this is a industry, a business that must make money, so everything is done thinking of profit. This is the world we live in. All the best for the New Year Fill, greetings from Porto.
@time3947
@time3947 Ай бұрын
Thanks again Fil! The people who've bought tickets to any of the Eagles shows you've analyzed, showed file a class action lawsuit for FRAUD against the Eagles, their promoters, and whatever other companies or person were involved in the promotion and production of those FAKE shows. The people have been CHEATED out of their money, assuming they care about such things. The music industry, and all involved in such things, needs to be called out and held accountable for it. What a bunch of POSERS! The Eagles used to be a band that I would admire for their music, but not as they are now. I will NEVER spend any money on then or EVER make a new purchase from them of ANY type. I will just keep the few albums I have bought in the past and enjoy them from when they and their music meant something. I am looking forward in supporting you in your new upcoming endeavor, Fil. Cheers from across the pond, Tim
@meloniedropik3539
@meloniedropik3539 Ай бұрын
There have to be attorneys who feel as upset about this as you and I and lots of others in Fil's comment section. Maybe there haven't been lawsuits because of the underhanded weasel-words they use to sell tickets. The Eagles "Experience" doesn't exactly claim that there would be 100% live music created on stage that night. Maybe there are even better reasons others could come up with to explain why no lawsuits have yet been brought.
@time3947
@time3947 Ай бұрын
@@meloniedropik3539 I don't think it is exactly that. I think it is more that people have been unaware (and are just now becoming aware) of what is happening at a 'concert', and having the proof for a successful lawsuit. Don't forget, there are DECADES of established concert/performances by countless bands of what musicians actually playing 'live' really is, regardless of 'the experience'./ This whole 'relabeling' is a relatively new and more recent thing. Even in "The Eagles"'s past, they have had decades of actually playing and singing live, as far as we know, and we can reasonably assume that it is true, being much before it was really technologically available or thought of to do what they are doing now. I think that just hasn't been a really well constructed legal case being brought against any band doing this, because most people aren't aware enough yet to realize they are being ripped off and defrauded. Look at the public consciousness on the overall idea based on any mainstream stories about such things. My take is that, at most. when the general public thinks of this.... they might recall a story about 'Motley Drue' or whatever performer did the superbowl half time show and may have gotten called out during some segment on 'Entertainment Tonight' or TMZ, or some such show. Most people are willing to accept just 1 original member of a legacy band as being that legacy band at a concert while touring, even though a majority of the actual original members are absent just because they decided not to be a part of it with that person any more. It is only recently that in such a case, those tours have become promoted as 'Come see so and so originally of the band ________" or whatever, so do you really think people understand that they are really being ripped off cause they are really paying for undisclosed miming during a concert promotion and ticket sale? Name me one group or artist in which it is completely understood by their ticket purchasing fan base that when they buy a ticket to see this group or artist at a show, that artist or group will be miming to the songs they will be hearing at that event? Cheers, Tim
@meloniedropik3539
@meloniedropik3539 Ай бұрын
@@time3947 Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think you might be on to one of the reasons why the lawsuits haven't been filed (not enough paying customers know they've been made fools of). I am so disappointed in this and now am wondering about the concerts I've been to recently. I know for sure that some of them are being presented live because the vintage rockers sometimes mix up a verse here or there. (I should do so well when I get to that age in 15 years!) I was close enough to the stage to see that they were really playing and singing, and it matched what I was hearing. But.... The deception Fil is uncovering is making me wonder about everybody. Were those concerts really them playing live or was I hearing some recorded version of their music? I never went to concerts for "the show" of lasers and pyrotechnics. In fact, I don't think I ever saw one like that (Did Van Halen (David Lee Roth version) do that kind of stuff? I don't really remember. They sounded pretty damn good for most of the concert and DLR was a gymnastic wonder. There were a couple of songs that EVH wasn't completely "present" for.) I went to hear the band play their music and prove that they were the ones who laid down the tracks that ended up on the record. Were they playing what Fil generously terms "backing tracks" even back in the 80s? It wouldn't be hard for a band to play the recorded stuff through the speakers. I know there would be a risk involved, but as we now see, the money is soooooo tempting. I hope that the rockers I continue to pay to hear and see live will address this at their shows and tell or show with clarity exactly what (if any) parts are sampled tracks that they are using to fill out the music. I saw John Lodge (Moody Blues) and he performs the entire "Days of Future Passed" album (Nights in White Satin is from that record) using the symphonic music from the album, which is obvious in the way he presents it. He begins the second half of his show with no one on stage while the music from the record starts. Nobody would have needed that clarity to know there wasn't a live symphony present (like the Moody Blues did for a few years), but the way he did that makes me feel like I am getting the live version of his act and not pre-recorded stuff during the other parts of the show. We could get into a whole discussion of what amount or type of "enhancements" are acceptable to me (like the "echo" effect) if you want, but I have next to no knowledge of what kinds of effects are available. I don't object to using voice enhancements (or guitar settings that make it purr on one sing and growl on the next), but making a very poor singer like me sound like Maria Callas to a listening audience goes way too far past "enhancing" the voice into "you are making a fool of everybody who paid good money to see and hear you" territory. I don't expect the ones who are miming their whole shows to come clean. If they did, they likely would be subject to having to refund anyone who asked for one. I wonder why this matters so much to some of us while others don't care that the music wasn't live? I can't answer that, but I know it matters to me, A LOT. Thanks for the conversation. I hope you didn't mind my long response.
@time3947
@time3947 Ай бұрын
@@meloniedropik3539 Hey man, I appreciate real and valid discussions.... If I haven't mentioned it already... I am an original gen x geek/nerd and a musician. I have been playing guitar since I was 17 and am fortunate to know many talented musicians, live sound engineers, and some studio owners in my area. While I am not completely knowledgeable about all the studio and recording processes, I do have some overall understanding of things, and the general physics of things.... my ear is good enough that my live sound engineers friend will often ask me for my opinion on a sound at a show they are running when I am there. That being said, for the most part, I don't think you have to worry about the 'realism' of a show you went to that was PRE-digital sound. Not that it wasn't possible, but it would have been much harder to have a mimed concert, especially when you consider the audio quality that would have to be handled to have a decent enough track for someone to mime to... as well as, the best control of that track. Like I said, not that it wasn't possible, but much herder to do and get away with. Now this is where playing an instrument helps, especially guitar. In this case, you have an even greater understanding of how and when the guitar produces sounds and notes, and under what conditions those things happen. So, when guitar playing ins playing something on stage that should only sound a single note, but you are hearing a full guitar chord, then something is not right. Just like the recent things with John 5 and Motley Crue. Now, what John 5 was sating in response was correct, BUT people missed the elephant in the room and were even calling him out for the right thing. It was actually Mike G at the Art Of Guitar YT channel that picked up on this..... While MC and John 5 say they don't play to backing tracks, they are clearly lying... and here it was Mike G pointed out, which was a different part of that concert than most people were pointing too.... So, MC is a 4 person band.... singer, bass, drums, guitar. There was a song in which John 5 was playing a lead solo (single notes), yet there was also a rhythm guitar part going on as well......if there are NO backing tracks, as they contend, then WHO was playing the rhythm guitar while John 5 was playing a lead solo? Now, my biggest problem with their stance on this is that they have said there are NO backing tracks..... if they would have simply come out and said we have additional parts on backing track, but what you see us doing, you hear live over them, that would have been fine.... that wasn't their stance... they have said they DO NOT use backing tracks at all. My stance on backing track is this.... whatever performers there are on stage, should be actually perform their parts regardless of whatever other musical parts are on backing tracks. I understand that if a band has a song with an orchestral section, they aren't going to pay for a 30 piece orchestra to tour with them to play on the one song. That is fine.... bu they better be performing the song, in whatever arrangement they see fit, for the performances in the tour. Sometimes, that was part of the surprise... to see how an artist would play a song live, as opposed to how they recorded it. This is why Joe Satriani became my favorite guitar player. I grew up on the classics, but when I first discovered Satch on Mtv , I was blown away by how he was taking musical guitar ideas, and playing them in a new way. When I go 'Surfing With The Alien, I was completely enthralled by it. As I was learning about what I was hearing, and that he would have several different guitar parts in a single song, I wanted to see how he would do it live. When I first saw him play live, I was hooked. I love how, as a 3 piece band, he was recreating the songs in a way that you got the song, without necessarily getting every single note of every single guitar part. To me, that was impressive. I got to me him back in '08 as part of a backstage experience. It was very enlightening. Now, when we talk about auto-tune/pitch-correction.... this is NOT the same as adding reverb of distortion to a guitar. Auto-tune/pitch-correction creates a new PERFORMANCE that did not exist prior to its use on the particular audio it is being applied to. Reverb, distortion... and most guitar effects only change the QUALITY of the guitar audio, but they do not reproduce/replace the actual recorded performance. EVH rarely played things exactly as he did on the album, or even the same way twice. Now, guitarists have use pitch altering effects (harmonizers/ Digitech Whammy pedal, etc...)... these still have to react to the actual performance the guitar is doing.... and may only being used to ADD and additional guitar harmony to audio of the guitarists original performance for enhancement or effect.... they have been used to replace the pitched notes of the guitar audio live, but that cannot reproduce the nuance of specific techniques of the guitarist's playing of the guitar....in these cases, is it often used for effect.... as well as, to increase the pitch range of the notes that can be produce on a guitar or other instrument. In the case of a voice, if is replacing what the singer is doing, and is often used to modify and actual vocal performance because the singer did not have the talent/skill to sing the music in the first place. Hence they call it.... AUTO-TUNE or PITCH-CORRECTION (if being used manually in a studio). In these cases, the is being used to make us for the abilities we would expect a singer to have.. meaning, lesser talented people can be made to sound as if they are something that are not.... competent talented musicians/singers..... that automatically makes them POSERS. The whole point of what FIl is point out is that there is no disclosure of what you are paying for when you buy a ticket to see a 'live performance'm and as I have pointed out, there are decades of precedent that have set in the public mindset what a live performance is. For these artists/promoters/musicians to sell/advertise/promote tickets to concerts, and they do not follow what their 'customer' have as an establishes mindset of what they are there to experience live, is deceptive and fraudlent. Cheers, Tim
@corneliapopescu52
@corneliapopescu52 Ай бұрын
MERCI BEAUCOUP FIL !!! CONTINUEZ SVP !!! Trop de FAKE ! Trop d'arnaques !!! 😢😢😢 Respect ,admiration, NELLY , BELGIQUE .😊❤
@swedensbestrapper
@swedensbestrapper Ай бұрын
Fil deserves more subscribers, not only does he sing and play instruments well, he hosts live shows and educate people in music theory. Big ups
@frankyrubful
@frankyrubful Ай бұрын
What the hell has music come to, from new artists and old ?? Thank gawd not from all of them. Can’t trust anybody anymore! Keep up the great work Fil. You are one artist, I can safely say, I completely trust because your logic is flawless! Kudos to you from Australia
@StormyDay
@StormyDay Ай бұрын
You are such a strong person. I couldn’t take all the backlash you get. You just let it roll off your back.
@elizabethmiller7291
@elizabethmiller7291 Ай бұрын
When the truth is on your side, the wind is at your back ...
@thomasgallagher1945
@thomasgallagher1945 Ай бұрын
Firstly ---- Happy New Year! GREAT detective work Fyl ---- keep it up, there are many here who appreciate your dedication! ROCK 25!
@RSVPini
@RSVPini Ай бұрын
I wrote this live. At least that's what I'm claiming. Thanks for another insightful video.
@TheSteffie59
@TheSteffie59 Ай бұрын
The music industry must love you, Fil! Are you the only individual who is investigating in this way, because I think you could really shake up the industry when you get your new "side project" going. Of course you will get heavily criticised, simply because they don't want it all divulged to the majority, who have little idea of what's happening. All pretty amazing.
@Heightsomethinghuman
@Heightsomethinghuman Ай бұрын
Agree w you completely.
@glamgal7106
@glamgal7106 Ай бұрын
I agree--Fil does amazing things with his analysis videos. I've been following him since February 2020 and watched him and his channel grow. I'm no fortune teller nor a psychic but you've got a point: these investigations could shake up the music industry. As paranoid as this might sound, for Fil's sake, I hope none of them are trolling in here disguised as "subscribers." Yes, indeed, Fil is amazing with what he does.
@TermiteDave
@TermiteDave Ай бұрын
I've always wondered how the Eagles had such perfect backing harmonies! Now I know why! Thanks Fil!
@joeshmoe7967
@joeshmoe7967 Ай бұрын
Cut and paste baby, cut and paste! I will say their 70s records would have been done proper. You could easily punch in a fix, but cutting and pasting was too much of a chore. A good sing could just nail it. I would bet, recent albums by many are full of cut and paste. I dabble in music but prefer to play it all the way through, and maybe do a few touch ups.
@LesleyAnne261
@LesleyAnne261 Ай бұрын
Thanks, Fil, for showing us what's going on. They really have no shame.
@mah9542
@mah9542 Ай бұрын
Thank you for shining a light on the use of pre recorded parts .i just think given the amount of money being charged to watch and listen to what is meant to be a live performance . Most people, im guessing ,wont care but i think the bands need to be honest and mention that not all the instruments and or voices are live
@jeffreyflint6286
@jeffreyflint6286 Ай бұрын
Keep it coming FIL. MR. Henley is disgusting me. 👍👍. Sad coming from an Eagles fan from their beginning.
@kimzwolinski9919
@kimzwolinski9919 Ай бұрын
I appreciate all you do Fil. Happy New Year 🎊 🥂
@tjroelsma
@tjroelsma Ай бұрын
Dutch band The Nits did it well on one of their tours. They had a huge (mock-up) reel-to-reel tape-deck standing on stage all through their performance. On a couple of their songs, when all 4 musicians sat together and did close harmony, they obviously weren't playing their instruments and instead the reel-to-reel tape-deck was "playing" to make it clear to the audiences that yes, for this song they used a playback track for the instruments.
@driverbirch
@driverbirch Ай бұрын
Magnificent work Fil
@onehitpick9758
@onehitpick9758 Ай бұрын
I absolutely loved the Eagles literally half a century ago. They can probably still play, but I'd be really surprised if they could still sing. Only a very few singers (Ann, Juice) can last that long, but they definitely lose a lot of range and articulation. Look at Stevie Nicks performance on Saturday Night Live. It was problematic, but it was still great. Even though she really only ever sings one or two notes, you could see she was singing for real, and that is appreciated.
@Jeffrey-c2z
@Jeffrey-c2z Ай бұрын
Thanks Fil !! Once again you give the best analysis.
@Kimby-KATT
@Kimby-KATT Ай бұрын
Happy Christmas, Phil! Glad you are shining a light on these copy-paste jobs. I am looking forward to 2025 and more enlightening videos. Cheers from Cheshire. 🎉
@Vita_Terra
@Vita_Terra Ай бұрын
"Fil"😊
@rope3051
@rope3051 Ай бұрын
I had to think of a scene in a comedy, in where the chef let fall a steak on the dirty ground, picks it up and throws it in the frying pan, saying "what the custumer doesn't see the chef gets away with '. It seems to be be the same here. Keep on showing us, Phil. Thnx
@theeagle9ar
@theeagle9ar Ай бұрын
In Argentina we have a saying, probably of spanish origin, that says "Eyes that do not see, heart that does not feel".
@jamiethejummer
@jamiethejummer Ай бұрын
That was Fawlty Towers 😂
@trevorlang4262
@trevorlang4262 Ай бұрын
Great stuff Fil. Might be interesting to see you demonstrate the comparison of 2 simultaneous recordings you make; one where the recording is clean and the other where the recorder is near something that creates the ambient noise that you have to account for. That way we can see a single performance, recorded by 2 devices, and show how the minor variations occur.
@thinman8621
@thinman8621 Ай бұрын
Undoubtedly, a lot of folks are happy to spend several hundred dollars per head to sit with others who enjoy watching Don Henley move his lips like he used to when he was a singer. Thank you Fil for providing proof that Don Henley can still convincingly move his lips.
@Angel-rq3pi
@Angel-rq3pi Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@Angel-rq3pi
@Angel-rq3pi Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@freddiem73
@freddiem73 Ай бұрын
Another great video Fil!!!!!!
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