I Challenged the StarCraft Speedrun Ace to a Race

[@GiantGrantGames]

The rematch has happened and it was incredible! If you want to watch it in full you can do so here! kzbin.infoKm3JMx-vOTM And you can watch the original run in full here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKvPqn2AmbWqm9k

[@GK_GAMES]

But Grant, I already watched that one. Thanks for the content ♥

[@SleepLessThan3]

You already know im watching this video and then rewatching the vod right after 😂

[@theindustrialidiot1472]

The Return of the KIng!

[@pokemonduck]

whoooo Starcraft Summer :D

[@samuelhawkins3820]

And so begins Giant Grant Games Massive Mod Madness Super Summer Shindig (GGGMMMSSS) And it starts with a banger

[@1Notten]

Or 3(GMS)

[@mapron1]

@@1Notten 3 GMS is Giant Massive Super Grant Mod Summer Games Mod Shindig.

[@cptKamina]

@@mapron1 Just really rolls off the tongue doesn't it?

[@poiuyt975]

@@cptKamina Is rolls THE tongue. :D

[@Kilmori]

​@@mapron1 Somehow that works equally as well

[@desfoxofthedesert]

Ace being nuked all of his production buildings, then his muta flocks died by rocket barrage is the hardest speedrun twist in the BW mass recall history

[@bl-rp]

That's a very niche genre of twists.

[@Wendy-zhou]

Grant messing up and somehow somewhat results in a more sucessful move is a theme that i never thought i'd see in any media but here it is i guess, amazing

[@The_whales]

Each time gets progressively better runs

[@Bluebedo]

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[@Eomada]

Messing up and somehow winning is his signature move

[@belisarian6429]

I guess it shows how far he has gotten in terms of his skills, adaptability and keeping his cool, I mean there are lot of players that excel when everything goes according to their plan but players who can salvage bad game are much more rare.

[@queraycha]

Grant is a true shonen character, he was behind during the whole race, but took the lead at the very last moment, when it mattered the most, thanks to the power of friendship (and a nuke on his opponent)

[@lol-sg2km]

Hey Grant. Just wanna say that it's great you're back. I've been really missing your videos.

[@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598]

Oh! He's REALLY back. He hasn't been posting much recently because he was banking video to push them weekly for the whole summer. So, expect more soon.

[@shadowpriest2574]

He keeps making videos on his second channel.

[@ChannelMiner]

He has daily uploads on his second channel

[@panir_gaming_kekw]

@@ChannelMiner he had a break there too

[@realLagMaster]

He never left. Just worked in the background!

[@GerMorden]

To think that Ace lost due to getting MELTED by a meme ability is peak Starcraft, ngl.

[@Bloodlyshiva]

"by a meme ability" You wanna explain that?

[@GerMorden]

It costs plenty of energy to deal with light air units in average area - and those are very rarely the issue for the BC, while the alternatives are the Yamato Cannon (which allows to deal with actual threats, including ground) and Defence Matrix (that gives 300 HP in a pinch). It's not worth it - so no one actually remembers about it's existence until your muta stacks get hit by one in custom campaign.

[@michol3235]

@@GerMorden or the ability is given to a ground unit or autocast with no energy cost

[@GerMorden]

@@michol3235 anything with no energy cost is not a meme. Predators are not a meme in like good chunk of the mods too. Doesn't stop any of these being awful in vanilla, tho.

[@Shadesight]

Good format Grant. Also, good competition - I remember watching the start of the competition day-of, before needing to go run errands or something and just being *so* impressed by the sportsmanship between the two of you.

[@mistressofthenekos1743]

This is so cool, not only because I absolutely LOVE Mass Recall, but I recently showed a friend who had never played SC before the Mass Recall mod (because he wanted to play the Brood War campaign but didn’t want to deal with the jankiness of the original StarCraft). Seeing you guys do the race on my favorite part of Mass Recall especially after I completed it only recently was AMAZING

[@PeklyCZ]

Just wanted to go sleep after night shift....welll.....i can wait a little longer.

[@GodammmitKalcour]

There's an irony in the fact a mission called "True Colors" having to be color corrected

[@tuckerwilliams849]

I’d love to see more stuff like this, using the starcraft knowledge you’ve gained from your challenge runs to go head to head with other challenge runners

[@apollothefirst]

Wake up babe, GGG just uploaded

[@Szokynyovics]

I'm here Honey!! 😅

[@kyou4145]

Exactly, my life my continue :)

[@jorgenkolaas9451]

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[@damiens4601]

He uploaded yesterday too

[@adlad1563]

No that was on the secret channel (can't tell anyone about it)

[@dillzilla4454]

i think grant has a massive advantage with the mass recall twist just in that he was played so many modded versions of every campaign that he naturally is just better at approaching surprises

[@tumate45]

I thought this is a new challenge, but realised it's the main channel 😄 Go watch his archive people in splitscreen, it was fun and really close one

[@TheHappy115]

Probably the biggest difference is the damage calculation. I.E. Hydralisk deals 10 explosive damage in Broodwar. (reduced by 75% to medium, and 50% to small) In mass recall it instead deals 10 damage, (7.5 to medium, 5 to small). This may seem like the same, but when armor and splash comes into play, makes a large difference. Broodwar will calculate this % reduction after the initial armor reduction while SC2 calculates it before. So, if said Hydralisk attacks a "Marine" (Small) with 2 armor upgrades, in Broodwar it will deal 4 damage to it, while in SC2 it will deal 3 damage instead. I'm unsure how SC2 calculates 0.5 damage (I think it rounds down?), but SC1 does count half damage points. It will also still deal 0.5 damage in cases where only 0.25 damage is dealt too.

[@evernewb2073]

I believe sc2 counts every 0.25 damage and truncates anything past that ie: "rounds down" the processing and memory efficient way, rounding vs truncating is surprisingly resource expensive in computers even nowdays since it means a few extra steps come into play with _every_ interaction with the variable that has been flagged for it. ...more accurately I believe that the numbers on the game displays aren't quite the numbers that the game is actually running and it is instead truncating _everything_ and then kajigering things at the endpoint to produce a mostly accurate display. I am also unsure if this is modifiable, half a point of armor would make for a surprisingly useful balance tool with how it runs those damage reductions.

[@ahmadtarek7763]

I find it hilarious that grant's mistakes often lead to an unexpected advantage, he is truly favored by the Xelnaga.

[@ts2ep8nl1f]

"Units going where you tell them to" as a Brood War mass Dragoon player, this hits hard

[@AnnoLP]

I dont comment often. And I am late to the rerun. But THANKS for splitting the time zones so detailed. A lot of americans just post their time and call it a day. Even the different european time formats. LOVE IT

[@chocodono2146]

Love this new style of content, keep up the great work man :)

[@vumasster]

You leave me no choice! Sad goodbye to your constituent Mass Recall speedrun!

[@toxikvik6193]

The end was pure cinema omg

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Making us discover more StarCraft peeps is super cool man! Nice race! Fun stuff!

[@jasond7016]

I really thought in that 10000 mineral mission if you infest all the command centers it automatically gives you the 10000 minerals. Maybe misremembering

[@kuj2887]

You're not. That is definitely the case in the original Brood War.

[@pokemonduck]

Great video and thanks for putting up the times in multiple timezones!

[@gressorialNanites]

Grant, allow me to thank you massively for putting the time in many of the timezones. You have no idea how annoying it is when every American just assumes that I know what each of their three-letter abbreviations mean. I'll definitely try to be there for your next race!

[@Lyemboun]

Saves are only working if you load the next mission instead of continuing from the victory screen.

[@Pro_Triforcer]

Having to use color correction on a mission called "True Colors" is funny

[@maropas123]

for the loading meassurements You could get the mean of loading time of (eg.) the first mission and use it as standarised value instead of actual throughout the run

[@shamefulbrainbot4742]

This felt just like a movie dude, i was shaking in my boot the whole time

[@Uterr]

Lol, this was epic. Hope to see next round, too! Not in a form of stream, but condensed digest, like this one! love it!

[@Nekoyashiki-san]

That challenge run was great to watch! ^^ Thanks for the fun. :)

[@Th3hun13r]

So ive watched your vid of the race. Seen the split screen if both perspectives, but i gotta say, love this commentary

[@albertoagnello1113]

Ok, series of small video of Speedrun race in different variation of normal campain Like speedrun "Wings of liberty Zerg edition" You know the missions, you know the races, the strategy is new. Realy fun video and interesting strats, can't wait for Saturday

[@sorcerross140]

I loved the timezone screen. That was so nice. A quality of life update which makes it so much better

[@Ljarvisone]

this was a really cool idea, thankyou to both of you for this.

[@mortegon583]

Was a fantastic run to watch the vod of and just as good a video now

[@TheRealXartaX]

This was enjoyable. I'd enjoy watching the raw full thing as well. Head to head is entertaining.

[@Hrolfgord]

Really excited to see the rematch loved watching this event great video thanks Grant!!

[@thatfierydragon]

Great video, really fun to watch!

[@KD8_NotTheShoes]

what a sick vod! thanks for this

[@eclipseeffigy]

Holy moly what a storyline throughout the whole thing. GG WP!!

[@liamholt5623]

Hope you had a brilliant vacay Grant! Your videos have been sorely missed!

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*It would be fun if you took speed runners in one RTS game and stuck them in another RTS game. See how they react!* I remember playing Age of Empires and Battle for Middle Earth in my youth, then getting dunked into StarCraft 2. It was a culture shock for sure, but a lot of mechanics transferred over!

[@aristocraticcthulhu3831]

Battle for Middle Earth was so good and had some very fun custom PVP maps. One of my favorites was a tower defense one.

[@DemiZenith]

Definitely down for more Race with Ace.

[@Antare5]

KZbin's new "end card" behavior has been real annoying, nearly obscuring the game changing Mutalisk wipe. That aside, this was such a cool idea for a race with the sheer amount of improvisation that it naturally forces. Great vods and a great seeing the composed version here to see what was going on between both runs. Can't wait to watch the rematch!

[@RoyalFusilier]

KZbin is so focused on keeping engagement and funneling you to the next video that they don't even let you see the ending of the one you're watching.

[@user-qq8pe6zj8l]

good shit keep it up i love this new format

[@johncrichton5767]

This was somehow more gripping than most of the movies Ive watched recently, well done!

[@CorrectHorseBatteryStaple472]

Love to see Ace having fun with something that's not just his speedrun!

[@7thAce]

It's so different! I've really diversified with this Brood War Zerg Speedrun here!

[@arasgee9184]

Just woke up in the morning, gotta thank Grant!

[@danielhale1]

Really nice of Mengsk to come in clutch for Grant. :D Holy cats what a ride. All the uncertainty is definitely the determining factor, and if you had more knowledge going in, you'd have both done a ton better. I look forward to hearing how the rematch goes!

[@much7395]

Loved the idea for this and can't wait to see the rematch

[@somedude4087]

looking on the thumbnail I'll fear the zergling more than an ultralisk and not for the memes

[@VeryPeeved]

Well if it's a race, then of course you'd bet on the zergling.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Less than 5 minutes into the video and Grant already has massive time loss from not saving the game. If anything, he is consistent.

[@Planktonium00]

How ironic that Grant got saved by missle pods

[@solar3clipseproductions]

You have the most soothing voice man, so nice

[@jarrakul]

Awesome runs, both of you. Looking forward to the rematch.

[@sethb3090]

Grant is back and this video did not disappoint!

[@CalebStearns]

So you guys telling me you dont do mass Overlord muta on the regular? lol

[@planescaped]

I just realized Ace sounds exactly like young Spoony. It's like I'm listening to him doing Ripper commentary all over again.

[@MichaelFlitzerLPWinter]

this is so exiting! i deffinitly gonna watch this!

[@sanliwang5714]

Really love your streams on SC2. Playing this game for 10 years never learned so much, especially the cheeeeese

[@miguellemir242]

You know? For years I had wondered which bit of the OG Ultralisk was its head. Thanks to the thumbnail now I now xD!

[@MineLoadGermany]

i usually never like but you are the exception.

[@JollyGreenWizard]

Took me all the way to the end to realize this was on the main channel - I just thought it was a recap on the archive!

[@SleepyBear_SB]

When does the giant grant games massive summer shindig begin?

[@7thAce]

About 13 hours ago.

[@SleepyBear_SB]

:0

[@arivald6677]

11:50 I was about to comment how clear sc1 looks compared to mass recall. Mod seems almost grey, SC 1 looks way better.

[@philiptetherow71]

Glad I saw this. I'm gonna start one myself tonight I think.

[@garygordle5146]

i saw this and was like “aw, thought today was another wings of memes” then it was a treat!

[@bobbyferg9173]

Now that was an underdog comeback story

[@angel30382]

BABE WAKE UP NEW GIANT GRANT GAMES VIDEO JUST DROPPED

[@SkyKing1225]

Damn, now that i know what 2pm Pacific time means for me, might actually come watch in 3 1/2 hours

[@mvmitemwall948]

first time ive seen grant he looks like such a friendly guy

[@dodojesus4529]

This was definetly a race of all time

[@unforgivengaming8793]

This was a great video grant

[@judjementine]

Dang got a birthday party saturday but i'll gladly catch the vod!

[@calebgonzalez599]

This Ombudsman is excited for Giant Grant Games Massive Mod Madness Super Summer Shindig!

[@ICHBinCOOLERalsJeman]

Big, Brave and Bold Grant

[@polyacov_yury]

Here's hoping that the stream will have a similar retrospective afterwards

[@vaniellys]

Grant is THE MAN, I'm sure he's gonna win.

[@owenridgen]

I believe that on Omega in Mass Recall (at least when I played it a few years ago) the UED hero Battlecruiser is bugged and will never be sent to attack your base like the other two heroes. This makes it probably more advantageous to go for Mengsk or the Protoss first. Mengsk especially is dangerous because of nukes and irradiate. It took me ages to beat that mission, even on normal.

[@TheNobody1324]

Remember to get your antennae upgrade before ventral sacs

[@Siptom369]

This was fantastic

[@weltsiebenhundert]

27:00 Microsoft making a Startcraft 2 - that broke me..

[@Necroneer]

This was great

[@liltimmah]

ooo im looking forward to the cut of the rematch :D

[@theoverarch6909]

I will really enjoy this summer

[@HaloFikus]

is this an old mass recall version? I played mass recall for the first time not that long ago and there's some big visual differences like the ultralisks at 5:31

[@boodotcom7399]

I was gonna say where can I watch 7thAce’s perspective, then I notice its half an hour long. Then noticed that this is NOT the Archives. Then realizing that I have watched the VOD. I just fell asleep. Thankfully I managed to watch the whole thing, the VOD btw, and I can confidently say that Zerg wins this speedrun.

[@KomRade493]

You forgot to say... GG..G

[@mbag012]

This is awesome

[@GaiasRebirth]

it actually makes sense that zergling counter ultralisks, they are small and ca dodge the slow claws of the Ultra, while getting between the joints of the huge creature~

[@satanos6]

Didn't know Dave Mustaine was into Starcraft, pretty cool!

[@bobbybkh1471]

2:19 how did you get the Hive to look like a Starcraft 2 hive in the style of Starcraft 1?

[@Zayin07]

Sometimes I wonder if Grant hates sc2 story or just memes about it 🤣

[@owenlai1893]

truly tragic to lose because of missile pods

[@JaketheSnake753]

I can't make the stream but spiritually I'll be there.

[@eglewether5523]

So those overlords with mutas did actually help :D

[@ethanaleman]

Will watch the rematch

[@craigrobbins2463]

This was really cool.