I could hardly believe my eyes! - Looking Glass Holographic Monitor

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Linus Tech Tips

Linus Tech Tips

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@zaraf
@zaraf 5 жыл бұрын
Linus : picks the thing up The makers: **heavy sweating**
@CALiiGeddonTwo
@CALiiGeddonTwo 5 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, he'll be careful with it.
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 4 жыл бұрын
Notice they let him pick up the $3,000 4k dev kit, but not the 8k shipping product. They know it's Linus Drop Tips.
@golren6
@golren6 4 жыл бұрын
@@mal2ksc Papa Linus should be happy with this pun
@JareBareXP
@JareBareXP 4 жыл бұрын
@@CALiiGeddonTwo im sure that made them freak out more
@misakamikoto8785
@misakamikoto8785 4 жыл бұрын
Glass is glass, and glass will break *cracks*
@deusexaethera
@deusexaethera 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't heard Linus be this genuinely impressed with a piece of technology since he did the quantum-computer video.
@ladislavdobrovsky8826
@ladislavdobrovsky8826 5 жыл бұрын
nothing blows a mind as much as quantum stuff! especialy the math like Hilbert space...
@mar1ann8
@mar1ann8 5 жыл бұрын
Prolly because this is sponsored. -_-
@SultanOfSloths
@SultanOfSloths 5 жыл бұрын
@@mar1ann8 It's sponsored by Ridge Wallet, not Looking Glass.
@JFDSmit-rm6tw
@JFDSmit-rm6tw 5 жыл бұрын
There was the see-through monitor that pretty much blew his mind also.
@Guds777
@Guds777 4 жыл бұрын
when he did the clean room hard drive video he was like a 9 yo girl on a Bieber concert... :D :D
@babobibabo
@babobibabo 4 жыл бұрын
"Come see it at CES 2020!" Well this didn't age well.
@josegabrielgruber
@josegabrielgruber 4 жыл бұрын
Ohh 2020....
@imark7777777
@imark7777777 4 жыл бұрын
And when is CES 2020?, obviously I can't afford it.
@rileygibson7940
@rileygibson7940 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't CES 2020 happen? It was in early January, right?
@kylebowles9820
@kylebowles9820 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah CES happened it was pre pandemic. Saw the display in person, insane!
@dylandreisbach1986
@dylandreisbach1986 4 жыл бұрын
@@josegabrielgruber 2020 was so promising, I mean look at the nice symmetry! And all of the 2020 vision jokes. Oh, how things change, at least it's an easy year to remember. Number wise and certain and numerous global events wise.
@igeekone
@igeekone 4 жыл бұрын
The price is not bad at all for this revolutionary type of tech. I'd imagine this tech at 16K would really look like you're just looking through a real window. This gets me extremely excited about the future.
@NEWSFLASHAA00
@NEWSFLASHAA00 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin MZY gaming and pornography is what comes in mind, oh boy
@OrlandoMGarcia
@OrlandoMGarcia 4 жыл бұрын
Those fake scenografy windows are comming
@stryyker9
@stryyker9 4 жыл бұрын
how soon before Apple/MS/Google/AMZ tries to buy this tech I wonder.
@cylo5770
@cylo5770 4 жыл бұрын
This would be a very cool feature in theatres for "3D" movies I believe
@william41017
@william41017 4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Serrata yeah pornography is always moving audio-visual tech forward
@Daiode
@Daiode 5 жыл бұрын
"don't worry I'll be careful with it..." editor cuts out portion where he dropped it.
@nixellion
@nixellion 5 жыл бұрын
It was a 3 grand piece. I'm sure LTT can afford to drop something that costs 3 grand. They do it all the time.
@Daiode
@Daiode 5 жыл бұрын
Nix just another day at the office hehe!
@supertaco22
@supertaco22 5 жыл бұрын
@@nixellion he did drop that 10k CPU .....
@Mr.Smith101
@Mr.Smith101 5 жыл бұрын
We all know he did! 🤣
@POTATOEMPN
@POTATOEMPN 5 жыл бұрын
I am giving you an imaginary like. There are 420 likes, so I do not want to mess with the Sacred Numbers.
@Yezpahr
@Yezpahr 4 жыл бұрын
This... brought a tear to my eye. The future is now. 9:09 mini-heart attack for the developers of the screen as he almost swings his phone through it.
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I imagine that's going to be a big problem for these displays.
@leomadero562
@leomadero562 4 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, he has eyes.
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God!The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@raphaelcoelho3001
@raphaelcoelho3001 3 жыл бұрын
@@kallestropp7447 nah
@BuggSmasher
@BuggSmasher 3 жыл бұрын
. . . . .Just as he explains that it's the only one of it's kind !
@jessthebenjamin758
@jessthebenjamin758 4 жыл бұрын
Have you just ever seen a product and thought “this is the future”
@onemangamer587
@onemangamer587 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Oculus Quest
@dslight113
@dslight113 4 жыл бұрын
micheal jacksons performance while being dead, the hologram one.
@ishunyu
@ishunyu 4 жыл бұрын
Multi-touch demo
@aragon2235
@aragon2235 4 жыл бұрын
Japanese ass washing toilets. Yup.
@handlemonium
@handlemonium 4 жыл бұрын
Um..........folding phones? Or cancer-curing gene therapies?
@El-Eesak
@El-Eesak 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly one of the coolest things I've seen in a while. In my honest opinion, this has to be the future of display tech. The medical applications seem so futuristic to me its insane.
@Muhammed_English314
@Muhammed_English314 4 жыл бұрын
I think VR is the future but without those carzy things you put on your eyes
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 3 жыл бұрын
I run a company that delivers computing solutions for Architect and Medical firms. This right here would be really freaking neat to offer as a "add-on" to the service, currently there's only a few clients that has actually deployed/tried VR headsets, the only issue is the fact that they need all those cables and tracking and also the fact that it's basically limited to one person is kinda useless for them. This kind of display would let a team get a better view, even if it's just 2-5 people (25-10% angle). so far the biggest breakthrough in computing IMO is Intel DCPMM, CPU's and GPU's have kinda stagnated, Networking is also not that important nowdays given that you can either have large storage anywhere and blazing network.... now looking at the data? that's actually something else, today there's only one option, look at it in 1080 or 4k it's still one dimension, VR is great, but you have to deal with "VR". This thing combined with DCPMM is making me giggle like a kid again.
@Tiyratania
@Tiyratania 3 жыл бұрын
@@Muhammed_English314 displays will never die. This is insane for stuff like ar
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God!The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 3 жыл бұрын
@@kallestropp7447 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKrThnaYebCglZI This is the kind of stuff you want to forward, not just an add. I couldn't find any prototype demonstration, but yeah a couple of years from now any technology is sure to advance more and more. it could be that Echo-display just doesn't have a working prototype ready for showcasing, if that is the case it means that the technology is at least 5-10 years behind developer kits and public release. (according to my own estimates pulled out of my ass)
@Carstuff111
@Carstuff111 2 жыл бұрын
Almost May of 2022, and I am very happy to see this company still going! This is EPIC! And it is very nice to see they are on their 2nd generation of the products too.
@ml321123
@ml321123 4 жыл бұрын
Feels like there is finally a reason for higher resolution Tv's
@garystinten9339
@garystinten9339 4 жыл бұрын
If they can make this in 85" under 5k.. they'd sell out immediately.
@awesomeferret
@awesomeferret 4 жыл бұрын
You mean 3D TVs? Or do you have a tiny TV? Because once you go above 40 inches, 4K is very noticeably better than 1080p.
@ok10469
@ok10469 4 жыл бұрын
@@awesomeferret i have a 70" Samsung 4k TV and it is A LOT better than 1080p
@ggs1019
@ggs1019 4 жыл бұрын
@@seigeengine Well if I'm correct a 4k tv would look ugly if it were for example 500'' because the pixels would be spread out more I think?
@ggs1019
@ggs1019 4 жыл бұрын
@@seigeengine true
@larrylentini5688
@larrylentini5688 5 жыл бұрын
You should try to get one of these for LTX 2020
@karmanyaahm
@karmanyaahm 5 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Since most of us aren't invited to CES anyways
@junofall
@junofall 4 жыл бұрын
I love that they're called Looking Glass - the same technology with the same name from Prey 2017
@Enderplays12
@Enderplays12 4 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, cool hahah.
@Zeddikiel
@Zeddikiel 4 жыл бұрын
The typhon are among us, pulling the strings and making fiction a reality, keep your wrenches and neuromods close
@swordsman1137
@swordsman1137 4 жыл бұрын
It's older than that. There is a video game before Prey that mention something like looking glass. Even iirc there is a game developer named looking glass
@ralphjansen3563
@ralphjansen3563 4 жыл бұрын
@@swordsman1137 Looking Glass Studios made System Shock, if I recall.
@NerdPulseGaming
@NerdPulseGaming 4 жыл бұрын
That game was ok, but it doesn't deserve the Prey name because it's not a sequel to the original Prey.
@RBsRealm
@RBsRealm 5 жыл бұрын
And now we know why the monitor's from startrek are so thick...
@cdogg1787
@cdogg1787 5 жыл бұрын
thicc
@McShave
@McShave 5 жыл бұрын
Little known fact, but the old monitors in The Original Star Trek were exactly like these monitors. As were all the view screens. They were 3D. scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/194942/how-do-star-trek-viewscreens-show-perceivable-depth
@BriniaSona
@BriniaSona 5 жыл бұрын
Put a waifu on it.
@konstantinlozev2272
@konstantinlozev2272 5 жыл бұрын
Linus has to compare that to the Tilt 5. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKTIXnqtoMiMnas Aside from requiring glasses, it's much superior: much, much cheaper and much, much less rendering cost.
@Brando501st
@Brando501st 5 жыл бұрын
I was literally about to mention THIS 😊🤯🤯
@nathancreates
@nathancreates 4 жыл бұрын
It's so hot in there that he takes off his hoodie and puts it on top of the Hard-working computer.
@razeezar
@razeezar 4 жыл бұрын
Before Linus grabbed it, I thought the jumper was some kind of ice cooling pack for the tower.
@NerdPulseGaming
@NerdPulseGaming 4 жыл бұрын
It's not covering the vents dumbass.
@TheAlison1456
@TheAlison1456 4 жыл бұрын
@@NerdPulseGaming don't be rude.
@NerdPulseGaming
@NerdPulseGaming 4 жыл бұрын
Please stop me.
@mootpoint7053
@mootpoint7053 4 жыл бұрын
@@NerdPulseGaming Ok idiot it was a damn funny joke why must you try to ruin the moment?
@geoffhalsey2184
@geoffhalsey2184 4 жыл бұрын
This has to be the future of 3D viewing. Seriously impressive.
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God!The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@theloner6063
@theloner6063 3 жыл бұрын
Try VR
@BradenBest
@BradenBest 4 жыл бұрын
1993: 2.5D game engine 2019: 2.5D monitor prototype
@benmasonick3848
@benmasonick3848 3 жыл бұрын
3ds did it first
@benmasonick3848
@benmasonick3848 3 жыл бұрын
@tutacat how? It's quite literally the same concept
@MajiriTadakichi
@MajiriTadakichi 3 жыл бұрын
And it did a great job at it too!
@TonyStarkCLC
@TonyStarkCLC 3 жыл бұрын
@@benmasonick3848 the New 3ds revision with improved eye tracking was a BIG QoL improvement.
@benmasonick3848
@benmasonick3848 3 жыл бұрын
@@TonyStarkCLC yes it was
@isaacgruver7061
@isaacgruver7061 5 жыл бұрын
Imagine having to watch a movie 45 times so you get the full experience
@Sundara229
@Sundara229 5 жыл бұрын
45 times at 15 dollars a ticket is... is a lot of money.
@svendinsvinderlin4569
@svendinsvinderlin4569 5 жыл бұрын
@@Sundara229 675? That's exactly the amount I'm going to spend watching the new cats movie 45 times.
@dumaneduard
@dumaneduard 5 жыл бұрын
:))))
@Gooberpatrol66
@Gooberpatrol66 5 жыл бұрын
star wars fans be like
@sinchrotron
@sinchrotron 5 жыл бұрын
I see nothing wrong with Forrest Gump :)
@OHHnoYOUdidntMAN
@OHHnoYOUdidntMAN 4 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what James Cameron meant by waiting to release Avatar 2 until we had 3D that didn’t require glasses.
@leonro
@leonro 4 жыл бұрын
He could've released the movie on the 3DS then
@fantasticflyingferret5903
@fantasticflyingferret5903 4 жыл бұрын
@@leonro Mmm yes my favorite streaming device, the 3DS.
@EchoWinters
@EchoWinters 4 жыл бұрын
Leon in nice crisp 144p. Just the way the director intended
@colemin2
@colemin2 4 жыл бұрын
@@EchoWinters Don't woooosh me but it's 240p, give it credit.
@derick1618
@derick1618 4 жыл бұрын
@@colemin2 Okay but only because you asked nicely.
@officialstrike
@officialstrike 5 жыл бұрын
Horror games in irl to get people to literally get a heart attack....
@madnesssoft2012
@madnesssoft2012 5 жыл бұрын
no, no they won't, VR already wins that round completely, being totally submerged into the spooky atmosphere is a farcry from even this level of amazing 3d. Trust me, I nearly gave myself a heart attack playing around in a VR horror game, they're /not/ for the easily scared.
@Ebani
@Ebani 5 жыл бұрын
@@madnesssoft2012 I think a combination of this technology with vr would make it even better
@svendinsvinderlin4569
@svendinsvinderlin4569 5 жыл бұрын
​@@Ebani What? why would you try to combine this with VR? The whole idea of this is that multiple angles are being shown at once, that doesn't change anything if it's on a headset that one only person can use.
@doczypatrik410
@doczypatrik410 5 жыл бұрын
irl means in real life...
@Ebani
@Ebani 5 жыл бұрын
@@svendinsvinderlin4569 You did not undertood it then, like you said, light is coming out from multiple angles, which do not happen on a normal display. If it could be adapted to vr it would make it more immersive, though if it can't be achieved only from a frontal angle it would be overkill to use it as is for the little gain it might give.
@ProjectJamesify
@ProjectJamesify 5 жыл бұрын
Linus: *picks up valuable hologram display* The entire internet: *nervous noise*
@siim1129
@siim1129 5 жыл бұрын
almost a million subs and still making like farming cringe comments.
@thelionprince4530
@thelionprince4530 5 жыл бұрын
@@siim1129 does a million subs make him less human or some sort of god? Quit hating bro!
@silphate9836
@silphate9836 5 жыл бұрын
@@siim1129 uhh how do his subs make a difference?
@raspberryb1664
@raspberryb1664 5 жыл бұрын
Siim Kook his content is cringe asf too
@waveformdistortion
@waveformdistortion 5 жыл бұрын
@Vox3l-Gl1tch You'd expect someone with such a large follower base to keep doing the things that got them such a large follower base in the first place.
@retroelectrical
@retroelectrical 4 жыл бұрын
When I saw Sony's first OLED TV prototype the "TV" was a measly 24 inches and it cost $30k. This is 8k 3D holographic for about half that price in just about 13 years.
@lincolnvance2350
@lincolnvance2350 5 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, imagine the next 20 years with this somehow making it's way to gaming :o
@jh-wq5qn
@jh-wq5qn 5 жыл бұрын
@@pixels_per_inch Different tech, closer to '3D TVs', all one perspective but with different sense of 'depth'. Not the same as this, which offers the depth of those devices, but much better, as well as different perspective, which is the innovation here.
@kylekeenan3485
@kylekeenan3485 5 жыл бұрын
@@jh-wq5qn Have you actually thought about how this would work in your living or bedroom. VR works because the display moves with you and regular tv's are fine for sitting static and comfortable while gaming for hours. This tech is pointless as a tv and useless when used in a VR situiation and therefore pointless for the avg consumer. It will be like 3D on tv's. You would enjoy it for 5mins with a similar reaction to linus and then never need or use it again.
@Rh0mbus
@Rh0mbus 5 жыл бұрын
Kyle Keenan I would see it for advertising in large cities and with massive displays. I think thats where this tech would be best used with many people walking around it.
@kylekeenan3485
@kylekeenan3485 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rh0mbus Yes I agree with you there!
@raxxor18
@raxxor18 5 жыл бұрын
It sure will come some day, but it's a long road hardware and software wise
@Alovon
@Alovon 5 жыл бұрын
Sometime in the mid 2020s: NVIDIA: Now introducing RAY TRACED HOLOGRAMS!!
@SerGreeny
@SerGreeny 5 жыл бұрын
I'd expect to see GPUs optimised for holographic monitors. And that would be awesome.
@SB-SB
@SB-SB 5 жыл бұрын
$2000 and 3% increase in performance over last generation.
@excitedbox5705
@excitedbox5705 5 жыл бұрын
And 2 years later there still won´t be any games that use it.
@oBCHANo
@oBCHANo 5 жыл бұрын
Those already existed, they're called lightfields.
@samsonsanthosh
@samsonsanthosh 5 жыл бұрын
Ya and then there gonna integrate Hola cores for the best hologram experience possible
@Andyilmatto
@Andyilmatto 4 жыл бұрын
Just yesterday I was thinking "Man, it's 2020: how long do we still have to wait before actual holographic photos/videos on a screen?" Turns out there was a Linus video about it posted 2 weeks ago.
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God!The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@BuggSmasher
@BuggSmasher 3 жыл бұрын
Does that make you psychic and Dé jà vu ??
@jankastbjerg4017
@jankastbjerg4017 3 жыл бұрын
@@kallestropp7447 hmm the difference between echo and looking glass, is that looking glass is already far past the concept face, and into the prototyping, where echo is still an idea in the concept phase (atleast from what i could quickly gather, they've not developed anything yet). so where looking glass will launch since they've achieved the prototyping stage, the echo that will be launched, might be vastly different from what they're planning right now. but i severely hope both products will come to fruition and launch! :)
@goldernie
@goldernie 5 жыл бұрын
When he walked into the room with the larger monitor I GOT CHILLS.
@CashmereSky
@CashmereSky 4 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing prototypes of these in person about 4 years ago in NYC. A friend of mine from MIT helped found this tech! W00T... getting some Linus attention now! Can't wait to see this develop further!
@ilhandaanish2381
@ilhandaanish2381 4 жыл бұрын
Tell your friend that they and their team did a great job on this and that they are helping to make the future
@bogoss3178
@bogoss3178 4 жыл бұрын
Linus: “I just changed my 1 week old TV screen to this new 3D glass screen”
@quinton1630
@quinton1630 4 жыл бұрын
Linus: "I'm never upgrading again!" ... Linus: "I just change my 3D glass screen to-"
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God!The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@carterdavis2793
@carterdavis2793 5 жыл бұрын
*So this is what the next decade will look like*
@Superkirbeh
@Superkirbeh 5 жыл бұрын
I can just imagine walking down the street and seeing these displays for advertising random shit.
@senhalp5724
@senhalp5724 5 жыл бұрын
Superkirbeh actually that would be so cool
@Superkirbeh
@Superkirbeh 5 жыл бұрын
@Zero Cool I wouldn't say decade. But in 20 years I can garauntee it. If you're trying to advertise. Nothing grabs your eyes like this would
@kero-x8l
@kero-x8l 5 жыл бұрын
Next decade... Probably not
@svendinsvinderlin4569
@svendinsvinderlin4569 5 жыл бұрын
@@kero-x8l The first touchscreen phone was made in 1992 (This would be more obscure than the current looking glass), the next decade apple made that obscurity viral. It wouldn't surprise me if the same thing was true for this.
@LinkStorm13
@LinkStorm13 5 жыл бұрын
"the future is now, old man."
@MrStarTraveler
@MrStarTraveler 4 жыл бұрын
In early 1990s my father used t tell me how in the future there will be televisions, that allow you to see different sides of a news reporters face, as they speak when changing the angle you view the television at. I got the impression then, that he's talking about mid-to-far future. Now when I'm seeing this, it sends shivers down my spine.
@HermanWillems
@HermanWillems 4 жыл бұрын
Ok now. Why didn't your dad start this company then?
@MrStarTraveler
@MrStarTraveler 4 жыл бұрын
​@@HermanWillems What? Is there some thing wrong with my comment?
@tedjohansen1634
@tedjohansen1634 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows what awesome stuff the future holds. Making it a reality is the hard part. Also, this is not the future of 3D - that will be optics shooting lasers directly into your pupils.
@UNHAPPYMEXICANS
@UNHAPPYMEXICANS 5 жыл бұрын
A good reason for panel developers to further increase pixel density.
@OrganicGreens
@OrganicGreens 5 жыл бұрын
We are going back to monitors the size of crt's in 10 years lol.
@OrganicGreens
@OrganicGreens 4 жыл бұрын
@Erick Rosa I made the comment before I got to the end and saw the "thin" one. Tho maybe a thicker display could have more depth.
@GodofLovers
@GodofLovers 4 жыл бұрын
PLEASE NOOOOO D:!!!!!! Those things in retrospect, as so hideous!
@Zoomer.88
@Zoomer.88 4 жыл бұрын
@@GodofLovers No, they're cool!
@finraziel
@finraziel 4 жыл бұрын
Even the dev kit is pretty small compared to a CRT...
@ManasChachra
@ManasChachra 4 жыл бұрын
Its called the moore's law. Humans invent something revolutionary and then they go on adding new features to it until something new comes up. Check out hey miachel' "VSAUCE" here's Video on the topic.
@BlackTownie999
@BlackTownie999 3 жыл бұрын
Time to revisit this....Sure would be interesting what advances they made in one year.
@jorgedanielhernandez3949
@jorgedanielhernandez3949 3 жыл бұрын
They just had a crowdfunding campaign with their newest hardware. $250 bucks!
@g1nk0
@g1nk0 5 жыл бұрын
I got to see these at a local game event in my town. It was astounding. I seriously look forward to seeing this as a final product.
@juannunez5767
@juannunez5767 5 жыл бұрын
One step closer to the Holodeck. I can imagine that eventually we'll be able to walk through a room where the walls are made of this tech.
@jb13611
@jb13611 5 жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 if you look at that company that promised unlimited 3d detail many years back, they apparently created a whole arcade in Australia with 3d holodeck rooms. The company is called Euclideon.
@treborrrrr
@treborrrrr 5 жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 I think every person that has watched TNG has dreamed of being able to do that to be fair :P
@0Tweaky0
@0Tweaky0 5 жыл бұрын
what if we just use augmented reality to turn the real world into the holodeck, so just to need add an exit and where done.
@jb13611
@jb13611 4 жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 I think it's because people who remember Euclideon are very weary since their last bold claim. This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/iISxeKyQnLqbbtE, shows it. It seems that you still need some sort of eyewear so it's not the full on no accessories needed. With that said, it does seem legit and like a real thing.
@koreboredom4302
@koreboredom4302 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, when I subconsiously look over an edge of a mountain in a video game, I can actually see what's on the other side.
@jannikheidemann3805
@jannikheidemann3805 4 жыл бұрын
[Map designer starts sweating profusely]
@coder0xff
@coder0xff 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it has vertical parallax.
@leo-hao
@leo-hao 5 жыл бұрын
People in the future: watches this video through an actual holographic display.
@TechyBen
@TechyBen 5 жыл бұрын
"You can't see more than 30mm in front of your face anyway!" /s
@ricecake1228
@ricecake1228 4 жыл бұрын
This stings as a glass wearer.
@claisolais
@claisolais 4 жыл бұрын
*takes off glasses* TRUE
@ApertureLabs
@ApertureLabs 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Looking Glass from Prey.
@zekiz774
@zekiz774 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. I know. It even has the same name. Great game btw.
@anandsuralkar2947
@anandsuralkar2947 3 жыл бұрын
Aperture lab
@Kinkajou1015
@Kinkajou1015 5 жыл бұрын
5 to 10 years from now, Holographic TV/PC Monitors for consumers.
@horuslupercal3872
@horuslupercal3872 5 жыл бұрын
My rx580 knows it's days are over now
@Alovon
@Alovon 5 жыл бұрын
RAY TRACED HOLOGRAMS!!!
@aliazzam626
@aliazzam626 5 жыл бұрын
@@Alovon and you can see your reflection on objects on screen!
@qwerasdfhjkio
@qwerasdfhjkio 5 жыл бұрын
@@horuslupercal3872 but.. but... I just bought one...
@nikonovandrej1985
@nikonovandrej1985 5 жыл бұрын
15-20, it is really tricky to manufacture
@imjody
@imjody 5 жыл бұрын
I look forward to these Holographic displays being available to everyday consumers in about 5 or 6 years' time! ^_^ I freakin' love advancements in tech! This is honestly pretty dang sweet.
@derbigpr500
@derbigpr500 5 жыл бұрын
Make that 20 or 30 years. We haven't even moved from 1080p in the last 10 years yet.
@svendinsvinderlin4569
@svendinsvinderlin4569 5 жыл бұрын
It's just vr all over again!
@imjody
@imjody 5 жыл бұрын
@@derbigpr500 I think technology is advancing far quicker than you think. ~30 years ago we didn't even have cellular phones, let alone smartphones. You'll be surprised how far we as a species come in just 10 years time - in the year 2030.
@turoreal
@turoreal 5 жыл бұрын
Me too, it'd be nice how vr would work with it.
@DantesGrill
@DantesGrill 5 жыл бұрын
+Jody Mitoma's Videos The main issue will most likely be using it. People barely even watch 4k so I doubt they'll just jump over to this. Not to mention the hardware it'll need in order to be used for games. I agree with Beyer, 20 years. Not because technology isn't there but because of the price it'll have. Your everyday consumer won't pay 3000 for a 15 inch screen.
@culpritdesign
@culpritdesign 3 жыл бұрын
This is almost two years old and I just now saw it. This is life-changing.
@OverdriveTech
@OverdriveTech 5 жыл бұрын
2:06 "Don't worry I'll be careful with it"
@Heraclidaeus
@Heraclidaeus 5 жыл бұрын
9:10 I flinched.
@TheManelich
@TheManelich 5 жыл бұрын
looks like the futuritic display in the movie paycheck with ben affleck
@boberschivyk
@boberschivyk 5 жыл бұрын
Or hologram in Minority report
@taekim6819
@taekim6819 5 жыл бұрын
You watched a Ben Affleck movie. Don't collect $200 and go straight to hell.
@nikhilyadav586
@nikhilyadav586 5 жыл бұрын
@@taekim6819 name?
@catseye10000
@catseye10000 5 жыл бұрын
@@nikhilyadav586 reindeer games
@taekim6819
@taekim6819 4 жыл бұрын
@@nikhilyadav586 It's just a comment due to the fact that I hate both actors from Good Will Hunting. At least I enjoyed some of Matt Damon's work (suits his role for Bourne series), Ben Afflect acting hurts me. Much like Jennifer Garner's acting. Don't collect $200 and go straight to hell is a reference to the monopoly board game.
@ZsH85
@ZsH85 4 жыл бұрын
i used to see a lot of ads on facebook about this and i liked them from the start. this 8k version is clearly shows they wasnt lazy and worked hard. it clearly shows development and its starts to shape nicely
@Jasa12265
@Jasa12265 5 жыл бұрын
Ridge wallet For when you want to pay $80 for 2 plates of colorful steel bolted together
@aquascaping_videos
@aquascaping_videos 5 жыл бұрын
BuT iT's AluMiNuM
@artyomsherwin648
@artyomsherwin648 5 жыл бұрын
Calling a card holder a wallet is a bit rich, too.
@johnmagus6341
@johnmagus6341 5 жыл бұрын
Holy shit, $80?! Never got to the price, always thought they looked cool, but yeesh.
@mattr4078
@mattr4078 5 жыл бұрын
And I thought keyboards were expensive with $100 CNC milled aluminium cases.
@thatlithornet6421
@thatlithornet6421 5 жыл бұрын
The sad part is the ridge wallet is just a dropshipped wallet from aliexpress with a pattern on it.
@OverdriveTech
@OverdriveTech 5 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Linus to drop a hologram
@jevangelista-nh-23
@jevangelista-nh-23 4 жыл бұрын
Linus: "we will be at CES 2020...." COVID: "we can't have that!"
@mohit_panjwani
@mohit_panjwani 3 жыл бұрын
I ate covid
@spudbencer7179
@spudbencer7179 3 жыл бұрын
Covid? You mean Governments: "We can't have that!"
@jevangelista-nh-23
@jevangelista-nh-23 3 жыл бұрын
@@spudbencer7179 you are so right
@plazasta
@plazasta 5 жыл бұрын
this whole "the future is now" thing is really starting to sink in now like, holograms are literally becoming a reality, wow we're living in the future now, this is so cool!
@penn2093
@penn2093 5 жыл бұрын
plazasta just in time for 2020. The year that everyone owns flying cars.
@suibora
@suibora 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah just wait for AI, you won't be so excited then :D Governments are already testing their own on super computers on their own isolated network. They're taking precautions at least right? :'D
@plazasta
@plazasta 4 жыл бұрын
aro p shh let me enjoy this while I can
@Drewdaddy07
@Drewdaddy07 5 жыл бұрын
Linus like frogs
@Golden_Magikarp
@Golden_Magikarp 5 жыл бұрын
he was careful with the frog :)
@sirvosterzo
@sirvosterzo 5 жыл бұрын
Linus Frog Tips.
@gunnaryoung
@gunnaryoung 5 жыл бұрын
Do you blame him? They're super cool!
@Drewdaddy07
@Drewdaddy07 5 жыл бұрын
Log tips
@WDC_OSA
@WDC_OSA 5 жыл бұрын
macbook
@UnKnown43783
@UnKnown43783 4 жыл бұрын
Linus: "dont worry i'll be careful with it" me: *doubt*
@edenelvisjohn5967
@edenelvisjohn5967 4 жыл бұрын
X to doubt
@leledumbo
@leledumbo 5 жыл бұрын
"don't worry I'll be careful with it" off the record dropping scene expected.
@randomdude4136
@randomdude4136 5 жыл бұрын
The images captured by a camera probably don't do these displays justice tbh.
@forestman111
@forestman111 4 жыл бұрын
True. they look amazing even on camera so I can't even imagine how good it looks for real.
@Dayanto
@Dayanto 4 жыл бұрын
Sort of, but not really. They aren't showing off the flaws either. Since it only has horizontal parallax, the image doesn't have perspective-correct 6 dof. If you look at it from the wrong distance or angle (vertically), it can look a bit weird. (compressed depth and multiple types of warping) It's not like a volumetric display which you can look at from any perspective, but it does have view-dependent lighting effects, which volumetric displays don't. (shiny stuff, the magnifier etc.) If you want both, you need a proper light field display, which is similar to this except with two dimensions of parallax. That requires a lot more computing power, but is also more impressive.
@captaincarrot8928
@captaincarrot8928 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dayanto It's only 3d horizontally? That's pretty disappointing. Well I guess I'll wait for the next generation holo displays in that case...
@radicalxedward8047
@radicalxedward8047 4 жыл бұрын
“It sounds like the easiest way to do that is going to be CES2020” Oh past Linus, how optimistic you were lol
@benedictul
@benedictul 4 жыл бұрын
F
@frosto085
@frosto085 4 жыл бұрын
F
@peruserprecurer1446
@peruserprecurer1446 4 жыл бұрын
As Kyle Bowles said, CES takes place in January, allowing it to be unaffected by the coronavirus.
@jorisbonson386
@jorisbonson386 4 жыл бұрын
Huh? CES 2020 went ahead as usual
@BiggestRedditor
@BiggestRedditor 5 жыл бұрын
That’s some impressive tech. [China hand rubbing intensifies]
@Sundara229
@Sundara229 5 жыл бұрын
ikr
@ikbenmathijs9424
@ikbenmathijs9424 5 жыл бұрын
@Peter they're also the ones who is gonna make your privacy affordable
@BananaNik
@BananaNik 5 жыл бұрын
@Peter This message was brought to you by the CCP.. Long live China
@lawlerzwtf
@lawlerzwtf 5 жыл бұрын
@Peter of course they can make it affordable, cause they don't have to pay for the research to develop it hahahaha
@devilefty3814
@devilefty3814 5 жыл бұрын
lul
@Espilonarge
@Espilonarge 5 жыл бұрын
2:06 - "Don't worry, I'll be careful with it." Famous last words before Linus somehow magically manages to slip up and break it. :P
@wanaan
@wanaan 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is gonna make for some crazy scary haunted house effects.
@backinyourcommentsectionag3191
@backinyourcommentsectionag3191 4 жыл бұрын
if they could afford the "contact us" price.
@lucyfyrearchoftwilight9282
@lucyfyrearchoftwilight9282 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, that would be cool
@lucyfyrearchoftwilight9282
@lucyfyrearchoftwilight9282 3 жыл бұрын
@@backinyourcommentsectionag3191 Everything comes down in price
@thexgamer8240
@thexgamer8240 5 жыл бұрын
But the real question here is: *Does it scratch at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7?*
@benstalls208
@benstalls208 5 жыл бұрын
But if it's made of diamonds, it'll scratch at a level ten.
@sinom
@sinom 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure it's some kind of plastic in there so it scratches at a lower level (Edit: yes I know this is a JerryRigsEverything reference. No need to be annoying.)
@benstalls208
@benstalls208 5 жыл бұрын
@@sinom uh oh, you don't get it
@carltonleboss
@carltonleboss 5 жыл бұрын
@@benstalls208 *Mohs* people wouldn't get that joke
@c187rocks
@c187rocks 5 жыл бұрын
getout.gif
@godtiermedic
@godtiermedic 5 жыл бұрын
THE WITCHER 3 - HOLOGRAPHIC + DXR + 8K TEXTURE PACK EDITION
@littlehhh4338
@littlehhh4338 5 жыл бұрын
ENDERwigginMEDIC the Witcher 3 sucked
@metallurgico
@metallurgico 5 жыл бұрын
0.01 FPS
@dariusz.9119
@dariusz.9119 5 жыл бұрын
@ENDERwigginMEDIC That would be a dream
@flameshana9
@flameshana9 4 жыл бұрын
More like The Witcher 5.
@nicksz9512
@nicksz9512 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but have to until rtx9080 , intel i99/ryzen50
@PieterPletinckx
@PieterPletinckx 3 жыл бұрын
Their portrait form factor is a genius move. Same as with VR, godda see it to believe it.
@nsquezada27
@nsquezada27 5 жыл бұрын
9:10 had a mini heart attack thinking that phone was gunna slip
@andrewpawlowski2027
@andrewpawlowski2027 5 жыл бұрын
I want to see this tech in a gaming monitor.
@qwerasdfhjkio
@qwerasdfhjkio 5 жыл бұрын
a THICC gaming monitor
@Rentta
@Rentta 5 жыл бұрын
@@qwerasdfhjkio Well compared to crt's that many of us used for years, it's not a biggy
@svendinsvinderlin4569
@svendinsvinderlin4569 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rentta Wait till I get myself a 10m^3 display that has 180 degree viewing angle
@DantesGrill
@DantesGrill 5 жыл бұрын
+Justin X. The 4k version didn't look that thick. Wouldn't be surprised if they went back to early flat screen size. With this we might even be able to get good TV speakers again!
@TheDevil259
@TheDevil259 5 жыл бұрын
So you can play Crysis on 1080p lowest with 5 fps on a 2080ti?
@Yothlan
@Yothlan 4 жыл бұрын
I've worked on a test project 6 years ago and the screen was only capable of showing 8 different views, so I guess in a few years this is what video meetings are going to look like. Also one application we worked on that screen, because you could have 8 views, was to allow 2 players of one game (say, Mario kart) to play on the same screen but seeing different things - yet both in stereoscopic mode. This is tech is very fun to play with and I encourage anyone to see it at least once :)
@Razor805
@Razor805 5 жыл бұрын
sounds like the tech from game Prey 2017
@niklas159
@niklas159 5 жыл бұрын
Even the same name
@Razor805
@Razor805 5 жыл бұрын
@@niklas159 they must of known. maybe the dev of the display played the game XD
@MHGenesis
@MHGenesis 4 жыл бұрын
@@Razor805 Looking Glass Studios was a game dev studio best known for System Shock 1 and 2. Prey 2017 is a spiritual successor to those games and some of the people who worked on it, were originally part of Looking Glass Studios.
@SonicXRage
@SonicXRage 4 жыл бұрын
It's basically the exact same thing. Wouldn't it be hilarious if a few years later a guy named Lorenzo Calvino worked on this technology and made it work from all viewing angles?
@derdurstbursch
@derdurstbursch 4 жыл бұрын
@@SonicXRage I'd consider checking the dev's homes for 170g mugs 🤔
@MadOrange644
@MadOrange644 4 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I see a product and say “this is the future”. I’ll keep an eye on this from now on.
@wobblechopps
@wobblechopps 4 жыл бұрын
After somewhat failed 3D I wondered what the future had in store for TVs ...... this has me so so exited . This and Microsoft Holo lense . This is game changing .
@staubig
@staubig 5 жыл бұрын
I love how it's even called "Looking Glass". Anybody on here played Prey?
@lukenadeau8497
@lukenadeau8497 5 жыл бұрын
“What does it look like? The shape in the glass?” Let’s just hope they stop when they make neuromods in a few years and avoid the whole “alien invasion” thing
@karagi101
@karagi101 5 жыл бұрын
The name is from Alice’s Adventures Through the Looking-Glass book.
@mrlongschlong4370
@mrlongschlong4370 5 жыл бұрын
Best game i ever played!
@tubey84
@tubey84 5 жыл бұрын
6:45 - I suddenly want a remake of Black & White with this technology.
@SeaNBlack
@SeaNBlack 2 жыл бұрын
It woukd be cool to revisit this 2 years before and see what progress has been made.
@lightzpy8049
@lightzpy8049 5 жыл бұрын
So can i now emulate myself in that world while wearing a VR headset and see myself as well as the world I create ? *Immersion INTENSIFIES!*
@urienrakarth3301
@urienrakarth3301 5 жыл бұрын
Next thing you know, he’ll be reviewing neuromods...
@majidshahani2437
@majidshahani2437 5 жыл бұрын
I wondered if anyone would get the reference Lol
@mymusicallways
@mymusicallways 5 жыл бұрын
Hahaha nice hope so 🤞🏼
@robertse4026
@robertse4026 5 жыл бұрын
then he will be reviewing the fabricators and recyclers
@MrRubern
@MrRubern 5 жыл бұрын
Is this a Deus ex reference?
@inactiveaccount2090
@inactiveaccount2090 5 жыл бұрын
Its from Prey 2017. They literally have the exact same looking glass tech its so cool
@robertbowen9750
@robertbowen9750 4 жыл бұрын
I bumped into some early development of these things in the middle of 2019, and can confirm, 10/10, would recommend. There's a little fringing on some parts of the image when it gets really close or really far outside of the display's ideal range, but it made me instantly want one, and seriously consider buying a 4k version. Maybe now that I know they have an 8K, I should just save for that, even if it's in the $10,000 range.
@xcbrr50
@xcbrr50 5 жыл бұрын
So the new "resolution" will be CT scan-like Slices/thickness
@BlueBird-wb6kb
@BlueBird-wb6kb 5 жыл бұрын
Well we will need Two monitors in the future, This and a MicroLED
@giant-woman
@giant-woman 4 жыл бұрын
seems like once 4k/8k/16k res becomes trivial, we'll start getting this kind of display tech in the mainstream since there will be no point to more pixel density.
@doktormcnasty
@doktormcnasty 4 жыл бұрын
I think slices/thickness would be the new dpi. The new resolution will be increased number of slices. Base resolution now is 45 slices but HD-Holo would be 90, for example. How thick those 90 slices are on one unit compared to the other - or 'slices/thickness' would be same as your dpi is now.
@Jollyhoy
@Jollyhoy 4 жыл бұрын
@@giant-woman possibly more near-future variants instead of waiting for 16k to be normalized? Having options in the store like 8k holo, or 2D 16k. Just like current gen curved/3d tvs VS normal flat panels.
@XMtnDude
@XMtnDude 4 жыл бұрын
My entire room made of looking glass would be like the matrix
@Qui-9
@Qui-9 4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know why 45 was chosen, and how the light from each pixel/subpixel is directed without interfering with the others. This is mind blowing
@dr.perplexed6291
@dr.perplexed6291 5 жыл бұрын
What do you see? The shape in the glass...
@wesleymcmullen1660
@wesleymcmullen1660 5 жыл бұрын
They want to live inside us like a disease.
@partisan1991
@partisan1991 5 жыл бұрын
Poor Dr. Calvino, his legacy is broken glass now :(
@enduity
@enduity 4 жыл бұрын
Yessss
@kazikoFPV
@kazikoFPV 5 жыл бұрын
I design Swimming Pools for a living, this would ABSOLUTELY be a massive selling tool for our clients!
@andrewc1036
@andrewc1036 5 жыл бұрын
Make a video when you out it together
@kellyannesmith7351
@kellyannesmith7351 5 жыл бұрын
Add them to the sides and bottom of the pool cost a lot but you could be swimming anywhere
@awesomebush8711
@awesomebush8711 5 жыл бұрын
He means that they could use the holograms to show the clients what the pool will look like before they build it
@kellyannesmith7351
@kellyannesmith7351 5 жыл бұрын
@@awesomebush8711 I know that but have a hologram show in and around the pool
@iota-09
@iota-09 5 жыл бұрын
Or also for natural museums; put a gigantuc one on the ground or inside the farthest wall of a tank and you could show in musuem 3d, realistic and moving models of existinct creatures with nothing byt a screen and a pretty damn good pc.
@EastBlocEngineering
@EastBlocEngineering 3 жыл бұрын
The fact it’s noticeable on a compressed KZbin video on a ipad in 1080 p is shocking
@lightzpy8049
@lightzpy8049 5 жыл бұрын
Linus: "The future is now" Future & Now: *"Wut ?"*
@BBROPHOTO
@BBROPHOTO 4 жыл бұрын
Dude, when Linus walked into that other room I was like DAAAYM. That 8K monitor is mind blowing, especially for the use cases Linus mentioned!
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God! The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@VincentFischer
@VincentFischer 4 жыл бұрын
Saw the small thingies in person on the last blender conference but the 8k version... just wow
@kallestropp7447
@kallestropp7447 3 жыл бұрын
Just forget this shit!!! This is what you want. Wait 1,5-2 year’s My God! The ECHO-display will make people say “Holy Fuck” kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYapdmete6Z3m7c
@LacheanApostate
@LacheanApostate 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a demo of this tech in person.
@shadzscape
@shadzscape 4 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to have it on my phone in 15 years 😎✔️
@ralphjansen3563
@ralphjansen3563 4 жыл бұрын
Why? Everyone else will be using mental implants...
@MihaiPruna
@MihaiPruna 4 жыл бұрын
more like -9 years en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_3D
@zekiz774
@zekiz774 3 жыл бұрын
@@MihaiPruna it needs extra 3D glasses like in a cinema.
@MihaiPruna
@MihaiPruna 3 жыл бұрын
@@zekiz774 the Evo 3D? No it doesn't. I have one.
@zekiz774
@zekiz774 3 жыл бұрын
@@MihaiPruna Is it like the 3D effect of the 3DS?
@KindOldRaven
@KindOldRaven 4 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed. Even with the flatness of captured video the angle-aspect is very clear and impressive on its own. Now imagining that in 3D is... very cool.
@bauju
@bauju 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine family pictures at home on the wall will be in 3d in the near future :o
@Luckysquirrel1256
@Luckysquirrel1256 5 жыл бұрын
I got some low budget Hologram ad before this video.
@IraQNid
@IraQNid 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of what you're describing can be seen with passive ChromaDepth 3D glasses from American Paper Optics. Especially for that "8K" display.
@nickasher6065
@nickasher6065 5 жыл бұрын
Linus keep showing us cool technology like this. Thank you
@Fuchsie101
@Fuchsie101 5 жыл бұрын
The mention of medical applications really made me laugh: we're still using Fax machines between some hospital depts. So I imagine the uptake of something like this would be very sluggish!
@kingyachan
@kingyachan 5 жыл бұрын
I was assuming they meant medical research applications
@Fuchsie101
@Fuchsie101 5 жыл бұрын
@@kingyachan this is a fair point! I would have loved to have some cool 3D models to learn anatomy from
@riakata
@riakata 5 жыл бұрын
Depends on the department if they have lots of money from private medical customers you'd see these everwhere especially if in makes sales or makes things easier to turn around or improves quality just a tiny bit.
@timnone2924
@timnone2924 5 жыл бұрын
fax machines are still king in medical applications cause of HIPAA laws, over-internet communications for patient information is considered not secure enough to use for most things. So direct office to office transactions are faxed
@numlockkilla
@numlockkilla 5 жыл бұрын
Radiology ... MRI and CT imagining. Give it 1 yr to 6 months. This will be going in GE labs.
@SapioiT
@SapioiT 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly looking forward to having this kind of screens in smartphones, tablets, laptops, and gaming handhelds (i.e. Steam Deck 2, or at least Steam Deck 5).
@AWalYT
@AWalYT 5 жыл бұрын
Be careful with those holograms: One wrong move and you'll swap dimensions, becoming trapped for eternity. ...Also, has anyone seen Dennis?...
@fredygump5578
@fredygump5578 5 жыл бұрын
2000: look, I have a super thin flat screen. Isn't it amazing? 2020: Look how thick my monitor is!!!
@TheNiteNinja19
@TheNiteNinja19 5 жыл бұрын
Well we are kinda going backwards a bit. Like, we're going back to flip phones.
@Mikri90
@Mikri90 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't been this genuinely surprised and amazed by piece of tech in a while. I hope this makes its way into the mainstream consumer tech.
@joshuat.8253
@joshuat.8253 5 жыл бұрын
Now watching: "Linus Through the Looking Glass"
@SammyRebbo
@SammyRebbo 5 жыл бұрын
"Don't worry, I'll be careful with it." You say that, but they have seen your videos.
@jabadahut50
@jabadahut50 2 жыл бұрын
ok... this thing is DOPE and I look forward to them becoming the standard.
@thecondemner9965
@thecondemner9965 5 жыл бұрын
One day, he'll drop the hologram...
@aokijikuzan6453
@aokijikuzan6453 5 жыл бұрын
that is crazy exciting tech
@maestro-zq8gu
@maestro-zq8gu 4 жыл бұрын
Not needing any equipment to get 3d has been the holy grail of this industry and it's awesome someone is finally reaching that. I hope this develops further and gets affordable.
@Neumah
@Neumah 4 жыл бұрын
CES 2020. Oh pre Covid days you're so cute.
I can't believe how much I paid for this...
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