I Created the Flawless Top 10 NBA Players Ever List

[@boozeman4749]

Tim Duncan not having an A+ on team success is wild to me. That MF has won over 50 games every season. Not including lock outs. And doesn't he have like a 75% win rate or am i just crazy?

[@michaeltrenier]

AGREED

[@exgeeinteractive]

5-1 in the Finals, definitely an A. There were many times were Lakeshow showed SA how it's done, and they were the favorites. A+ is a bit a of stretch. Even MJ was dragged down by his early playoff exits.

[@JoeBuck-uc3bl]

I’ll lock his ass down with Kevin Garnett.

[@ahankumar2936]

I think he only put the best in each category as A+, and 11 is more than double of 5

[@HappyKamote]

Ykb that caught my attention too

[@Tnbeta-er5gm]

The thing I find odd is when people rate Wilt lower than Kareem yet Kareem has stated that Wilt would have destroyed him in his prime and Wilt is the only player to ever block Kareem’s sky hook which reminder is 10 feet 11 feet in his release point for his hands and there could be some other players who could do it besides him like Victor Wembanyama Mark Eaton Manute bol Ralph Samson Hakeem Olajuwon Dikembe Mutumbo and multiple other players probably and Wilt at best could reach 13 feet high into the air but no list is perfect

[@-caspo-]

I would guess that the reason is that he is ranking the greatest players of all time, not the best players of all time.

[@jodonthesith7172]

Yeah”greater players” and “better players” aren’t ever classified as the same thing. Wilt can be more skilled but Kareem has achieved ten times more so there’s really no argument for him over Kareem

[@hakeemolajuwon4352]

@@jodonthesith7172 SMH what about the fact that Kareem won literally nothing without Oscar or Magic? Does actual NBA history not matter to you, or do you just love to look up a players Wikipedia and make up your own story?

[@calebadamu]

@@hakeemolajuwon4352 kareem won 3 consecutive championships in college before the nba too, nice try though

[@calebadamu]

@@hakeemolajuwon4352 he legit has the most NCAA MVP's and most NBA MVP's, you can't discredit that

[@mariosuarez3411]

Good video, good analysis...and great footage from the 60's. I'd never seen Russell block a Chamberlain fadeaway. That was pretty awesome to see.

[@eddiebuckets7688]

Thank You

[@BrayanSaverino]

@@eddiebuckets7688 u earned a sub

[@randallsmith5902]

Awesome work on a "fair and reasonable" list. It's virtually impossible to get people to be rational when arguing top 10 NBA players. We all have our personal preferences on the top 10. Again, I think this is a very solid listing of Greats. Thanks!

[@blowc1612]

This is horrible list one of the worst

[@ozzyjimenez9017]

This is probably my favorite top 10 list I’ve seen in a while. I’m a big Kobe and Shaq fan, but I can live with their placements.

[@cial67]

Kobe last in advanced stats, but first in delusional nostalgia

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

You clearly dont know hoops

[@Ariandye_Productions]

@@jdrmanmusiqking its true

[@goosnavslakovic4908]

By that logic, bron first in meat riding. Spread the hate if you get off to it so much

[@d3adyoutubeaccount]

Does Delusional nostalgia include 15 all NBA, 11 first team, 12 all defense, 9 first team and being better than pretty much any player u can name in his prime

[@matthewheuel2508]

4th in resume.

[@drewmeyer9679]

My only thing about the list is Kobe did win with Shaq, but Magic won all 5 with Kareem and Duncan has always had HOF help throughout his career and Pop.

[@ColeM.-en5gq]

Duncan didn't have hof help during his 2nd chip run.

[@calebadamu]

im a huge kobe fan but 3/5 of magic's chips with kareem he was the best player, 0/3 of kobe's chips with shaq he was the best player

[@davis2k1234]

⁠@@calebadamuSo was Iggy the best player on the 2015 Warriors? Because Magic won a FMVP when Kareem won MVP of the NBA and was avg 33PPG 14Rebs 4 blocks in the Finals in 1980

[@davis2k1234]

@TB-4 Kobe was better then Shaq the last 2 seasons the team just wasn’t as good either was Shaq he fell off but rejuvenated himself in Miami and happily deferred to Dwade if he would have done that w Kobe they would have kept winning but he was out of shape coasting and his ego wouldn’t let him co exist w Kobe

[@davis2k1234]

@TB-4 Kobe and Shaq were going since 2000-2001 they never got along off the court and fought in practice long before the “snitch” incident which Kobe was just young and dumb he did t know police gonna leak the audio to press

[@TongueOut23]

I once did a similar exercise and came up with this: Player Tier TOTAL Michael Jordan 1 123,17 LeBron James 2 111,00 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 2 110,15 Tim Duncan 3 104,23 Larry Bird 4 95,34 Bill Russell 4 94,42 Wilt Chamberlain 4 93,62 Kobe Bryant 5 91,49 Magic Johnson 5 90,55 Shaquille O'Neal 6 86,03 ...one day will hopefully find the time to fine tune it :)

[@eduardogarcia2738]

whats the criteria?

[@ironangel667]

I'm not gonna bust your balls because that IS an extremely difficult list to due to the shear number of amazing players. Shout out to Julius Erving, Jerry West, Walt Frazier, Elven Hayes, Isaiah Thomas, and Moses Malone.

[@paulzollinger6343]

I even forgot about Moses for a minute, who I think is better than 6 guys on this list. Really tough to pick...

[@hepwo91222]

Karl Malone was pretty good too.

[@JansMarinara]

Julius Irving had a lot of success in the ABA that if counted would put him a lot higher on most people's lists I think.

[@uncomfortabletruth2988]

@@paulzollinger6343 I've Moses around 12 or 13 he showed Hakeem and Barkley how to be pros and dominated in the 70s and 80s. He's highly underrated.

[@uncomfortabletruth2988]

@@JansMarinara You have to combine both of those stats because he played in both and won in both as well.

[@georgeaustiniv2456]

The only thing about Duncan is on last runs in the finals, he wasn’t the best player. That was arguably Tony Parker.

[@ironangel667]

I think it deserves mention that Hakeem is the only player on that list that had no help.

[@krimezone]

He is in my undisputed top 5. LeBron is not in my top 10 Skip the Jordan debate but if I choose say Bird or Magic or Kareem they can't tell me how Lebron is better than them individually prime for prime

[@ColeM.-en5gq]

@@krimezone probably because it's not just about prime or peak but about the entirety of one's career.

[@Nuthinnull]

Drexler?

[@serhatgorgulu4903]

@@krimezone im not even that big of a bron fan (i mean i like him but i am no fan) and i also think the goat debate is completely one sided in favor of Jordan, but damn not even top 10 is crazy hahaha. easily a top 3 player all time, and if you want to find a case for him to be lower top 5 but not even top 10 is surreal lmao

[@serhatgorgulu4903]

ok i don't know about the pre 1980 oldheads much but i think during his prime wilt had not much help but Kobe Bryant in his prime had no help at all (after shaq left, but he gets almost no credits for these championships anyways) he had the by far worst team anyone from this list ever had in 2004-2007 and even after gasol joined his team would be below average and not even make it to the tough western conference playoffs, but Kobe almost three peated with them

[@LJMadrigalMusic]

I would say players who thrived in the dead ball era are the most affected in all of these discussions. This is why metrics shouldn't been the main weapon to use when discussing sports.

[@antonioiniguez1615]

You could just simply Mathematically adjust the stats to take era into account.

[@LJMadrigalMusic]

@antonioiniguez1615 that already happened, but modern era fans are crying about how "overblown" the numbers get.

[@legendaryabeast7207]

Moses Malone, Dr J, and Jerry West rank higher than KD and Oscar Robertson imo

[@krimezone]

KD simply shouldn't be there

[@dionysise5008]

True

[@CornellBillingsWorth]

Gtfoh dude🤣 KD is a top 3 talent that’s ever picked up a basketball

[@alexanderhenry9133]

Jerry West was 1-8 in the NBA finals or something like that and never won a league MVP. KD legitimately has a better basketball resume, more championships, more Finals MVPs, more MVPs, more scoring titles, similar numbers of all-star and all-NBA selections, Jerry West has an assist title and a few all-defensive selections which Durant doesn't have. No disrespect to Jerry West the man is a legend, much more so than KD, but in an objective sense KD had a more successful career.

[@Stopitgetsomehelp3012]

​@alexanderhenry9133 Jerry West had a mediocre team for the majority of his career. He averaged 40+ on multiple playoff and final series only to lose most of them. Kevin Durant is a "better" player skill wise but he traded to an already OP team, where the offence became completely catered to him, and won most of his accolades there in a 3 year run. He had better opportunities and better teammates than Jerry West ever had.

[@garretttoepp4399]

How is magic Johnson and Larry bird not the same on legacy??? They share the 80’s you can’t talk about either without the other..

[@jacobzarkin5174]

My list is 1.Jordan 2.Lebron 3.Kareem 4.Kobe 5.Hakeem 6.Steph 7.Shaq 8.Bird 9.Magic 10.Duncan Argue with me in the comments

[@jcb4826]

1- His royal airness 2- Lebron 3- Kareem 4- Chamberlain 5- Magic 6- Kobe 7- Curry 8- Duncan 9- Bird 10- Hakeem And 1 - Shaq I get no Chamberlain, he kinda hits different to different people but my main concern is, why is Magic so low? Switch magic and Hakeem and I'm good with it.

[@JoiRandom]

1 Jordan 2 Kareem 3 Wilt 4 Kobe 5 Magic 6 Bird 7 Curry 8 Lebron 9 K Malone 10 Shaq

[@Cristian-vm1bg]

⁠@@JoiRandomno duncan 😂 joke list. Malone over tim? Obvious spurs hater

[@TellenJones]

I'd take Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Duncan, Kobe, Shaq and Olajuwon any day over Lebron. Jordan used 1 window to win 6 rings. Kareem 1.3 window for 6 (.3 for Oscar). Magic 1 window for 5. Kobe 2 windows for 5. Duncan 1.3 window for 5 (.3 for DRob). Shaq 2 windows for 4. Bird 1 window for 3. Olajuwon 1 window for 2. Lebron OTOH used 3 windows to produce only 4. No one else having this much help produced so little. If you replace Lebron with any of the guys I listed, that Miami Heats team woulda 4-peated.

[@crosswiz6]

That's what I keep saying 🤷🏽‍♂️ he would be 2-8 without that Ray Allen and Kyrie shot. But even at 4-6, everyone in the top 10 has a winning record over him. They won more than him, in less time, with MUCH LESS help, and without team hopping around making superteams. Its not all just stats..winning matters its the goal of the game. Lebron is top 5 AT BEST, but realistically he shouldn't even be in the top 5 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jit1709]

@@crosswiz6 shouldnt even be top 10

[@crosswiz6]

@@jit1709 Maybe, but I honestly believe he's not top 5. Way too much losing for all the help he's had taking massive shorcuts

[@AbiV31]

​@@jit1709whats your top 10? I'm curious. Cuz I got Lbj around 7 out of 10

[@jit1709]

@@AbiV31 no order 10 i got higher than him all time mj kobe kareem magic bird duncan shaq bill wilt hakeem all these did more with less time less help and didn’t get meaningless superteam championships they whole career hes top 13-20 in my eyes kd/bron is more of a debate because theyre the same in my eyes one is just older career literally the same first years on a contending team that they built up but after years of failure they give up both creating superteams and stacking odds in their favors but the difference is with kd he didnt have a meltdown like 2011 once he had a superteam bron did thats why i got kd higher and why i don’t have bron top 15 and after that he had to be saved by tm8s like allen and kyrie in big moments where he shouldve stepped up but he watched good tm8s save him that’s why hell never be top 10 in my eyes the other 10 arent scared of the moment bron is that’s why hell never be top 10

[@anthonygoogle2168]

You talk about team loyalty and staying with the team that drafted you, yet, unless i missed it, there were no negatives associated with James's career team hopping. Also another important statistic you didn't factor in, that NOBODY talks about, is turnovers! Throwing the ball away or flubbing a major possession has tremendous consequences on winning and legacy. Mr. "I always make the right play" LeBron is one of the worst ever per possession. Check the stats

[@arkadiuszrogala1359]

He said leaving unless your team wasn’t competitive, and why do you think he had his legacy below an A?

[@MakaveliTv35]

@@arkadiuszrogala1359cuz he just wants to shit on lebron bro wasn’t paying attention to the video he just wanted to complain somehow about bron

[@showtime2182]

​@@MakaveliTv35 the heat was not a losing team ahsn james left.

[@MakaveliTv35]

@@showtime2182 what does that have to do with what I said stupid

[@philbusiness52]

Yep. The letter grade score of like 3 different categories for lebron should be “F”

[@elliota.1063]

Great vid, thx. One small thing, at 10:15, you spelled unforgettable wrong, twice. Kudos though, seems like the vid took a lot of research and effort.

[@michaelacevedo9404]

Pretty good list. Only thing I would personally change is LeBron grade for eye test. Free throw shooting horrible, below average 3 point shooter in a Era where 3's are common and huge, and the inconsistent defense. Call it resting on defense or lazy doesn't matter still inconsistent.

[@JuggaloSupreme]

And FLOPPING all over the floor😂

[@mustafamete6567]

Ahahahah what a hater. When their in 21st seasons, what they did do? lol

[@domudeh3691]

Your dumb

[@Xenon-h9z]

Agreed... he's A- eye test material, not a solid A... possibly B+ if you include his flopping.

[@michaelacevedo9404]

@@Xenon-h9z definitely agree B+

[@tpsam]

Your top 14 selection is kinda disrespectful to Moses Malone

[@pattrell5257]

He's top 10 even if Bird isn't! Dude's better than Duncan... 1. Jordan 2. Jubbar 3. Chamberlain 4. Robertson(came close to having 3 straight high scoring(28.8 and above) triple-double seasons for the reg season and playoffs; he did get one and that's impressive...) 5. Russell(I feel Russell would be like Rodman in rebounding and multiple position defense--only taller. I'd trust him on anybody but point guard). 6. M. Malone 7. Olajuwon 8. Bryant 9. Duncan 10. West 11. O'neal 12. Bird 13. James 14. Garnett 15. Baylor 16. Wade 17. Curry 18. Durant 19. Nowitzki 20. Johnson 21. Robinson 22. Hayes 23. McAdoo 24. Ewing 25. Thomas(Baby Jordan pre-94--if Jordan was a PG. The baby is signifying that he wasn't as good, but very similar offensively if Jordan lacked hops). 26. Frazier 27. Stockton(could do EVERYTHING that is normally expected in a PG; not as flashy as some, but got the job done).

[@vulture27fm]

For sure. Moses over KD is an easy inclusion.

[@Damphouse]

⁠​⁠@@pattrell5257you have Lebron at 13?? 💀

[@pattrell5257]

@@Damphouse Yep, he's not all that! His jumper is not money; he is a lot like a mix between Pippen(IF SCOTTIE PLAYED TODAY) and Rodman(MULTI-POSITION DEFENSE). He's better overall than Prince, Pippen, B. Wallace, Artest, Rodman, and those types. However, that does not necessarily get you in the top 10, because they do not even make this list! But, I did omit Garnett. I don't know how I left him off; he is somewhere on this list even if Pistol Pete comes off...

[@Damphouse]

@@pattrell5257lmao wow

[@konmikro21]

I think you forgot isaiah Thomas the second best pg of all time after magic, I know many hate him, I'm not a big fan of him either but it is what it is, truth must be said

[@jamesguglielmucci2001]

Great Top 10 All-Time list, but Kareem has 6 Championships, not 5.

[@ricdees3495]

Yeap 5 with the Lakers and 1 with the Bucks.

[@soramirez5473]

Jordan and Bird are my top two.. Bird is the most complete player in hISTORY. his stats say so. ONLY player to average atleast 24 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assists for his CAREER. he also has mutliple 50/40/90 seasons and multiple defensive team selections, and mutliple times leading the league in defenive winshares.. Only player im picking ahead of him is Jordan. and thats a MAYBE.

[@awesomereviews1561]

The thing with Bird is that’s his career got cut short by injury so obviously MJ is the to pick ( and MJ missed almost 3 years of his prime.) Bird’s peak was insane but his career is a “what if”. And “what if” don’t cut it for this kind of debate.

[@soramirez5473]

@@awesomereviews1561 what ifs? he got 3 rings playing against the SHOW TIME LAKERS.. 3 MVPS in a row. he dominated the 80s. Jordan dominated the 90s but not the 80s. Bird was a winner since day 1. Nobody cares about YOUR opinion. He got the accolades and the stats.

[@soramirez5473]

@@awesomereviews1561 bird 3 rings in 13 seasons. Lebron 4 rings in 21 seasons. WHAT if Lebron DIDNT load manage? What if Lebron DIDNT airball free throws. .. What if MJ TRUSTED his teamates early on? What if Wilt won MORE?. Yea I dont deal with what ifs either.. Thats why my opinion is based on STATS AND ACCOLADES. so its more a FACT. YOURS IS AN OPINION.. AND A POOR ONE.

[@soramirez5473]

MJ couldnt beat bird. MJ couldnt win in the 80s. MJ NEEDED Pippen to win apparently. MJ DOESNT have the OVERALL NUMBERS that Bird has.

[@soramirez5473]

@@awesomereviews1561 actually now that I think about it, yea I would pick BIRD first THEN mike. I prefer a player that can BOTH score when I need it BUT ALSO elevate his teammates to better play.

[@manichohan319]

Olajuwan underated af, i dont see anyone winning a title with a subpar cast. Let alone go back to back.

[@crosswiz6]

You gave the politically correct answer with Lebron at 2. But realistically, Lebron is the only one out of the top 10 with a losing record, and only one to team hop around making superteams. Without that Kyrie and Ray Allen shot Lebron is 2-8. Others won more, in less time, with less help, and without constantly switching teams to team up with different all stars.

[@shade0180]

He also rated Kareem too high when he punished Kobe and Curry for having a better 1st Option. Remember 3 ~4 of Kareem chip's he is a 2nd option. Lebron should really drop down 2 or 3 ranks on the list. Kareem should drop down too if we use that same case with Kobe and curry.

[@crosswiz6]

@@shade0180 Yup agree, and honestly Lebron shouldn't even be top 5 considering all the losing and team hopping around he's done. He's had the most time to win, and BY FAR the most help and has won the least 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ColeM.-en5gq]

Wilt?

[@michaelmaccrazy]

@@shade0180 It took Kobe 13 years to finally win a ring as the undisputed #1 option. It took everyone else less time than that.

[@shade0180]

@@michaelmaccrazy I never said Kobe need to move up. I said if Kobe is being punished for being a number 2 Kareem should be too.

[@yophaint4724]

Amazing video earned a sub

[@michaeltrenier]

GREAT video bro. Subbed.

[@JaeBee1718]

The problem with this list and almost all videos and lists like this is that it does NOT take into consideration the level of competition. Kobe played in literally the most defensive, slow-paced and hardest competition in nba HISTORY. Not including other factors that's too much too type.

[@Jajsnsjsn]

Lebron played in the same era

[@lookatcodyman654]

Like half of these players did 😂😂

[@crystalizedExposed]

mjs end of his career was in that era too, lebron averaged 31 in that era, shaq and duncan were there. kobes not the only person that played in the 00's.

[@JaeBee1718]

Cleanly yall guys are short term thinkers. Yall read to rebuttal and not understand and with that yall can't see context * no disrespect* It's simple, Kobe's whole career was that. Lebron's time, he only played just a portion of his career in that era. The game drastically changed and got easier to score. "Half the players did" don't mean shit. Honestly Duncan is right up there with Kobe. In fact Duncan > >> Shaq. I'll take Duncan's career in it's entirety over Shaq's. Also the "Jordan did also" nonsense..... It was during Kobe's whole career, never mind. I'm not typing all this out.

[@JT-km6th]

​@@Jajsnsjsnand he never won, his fg% was way lower, his scoring was lower etc. do you get it? LeBron also played half his career in a much faster era with more spacing.

[@mr.0regano1]

This a a solid list not much biased and it includes the stats that are not on paper

[@JamesSmith-qr7be]

Lebron gets a lack of respect because of the push of his Goat case when in reality its MJ all day long and the lack of respect is because thats obvious. Lebron would command much more respect from people if that narative changed to why he is number 2.

[@LeKy-yd2zj]

great list. I only used awards and legacy as my criteria and ended up as pretty much the same list as you

[@murphydaquan]

It's Jordan. We know the Truth.

[@seanmolloy2172]

Despite what I just said. West and Moses have to be included in the top tier. With Baylor, Havelicek, DrJ. close behind.

[@LeKy-yd2zj]

Giannis is way better than every dude you just mentioned except moses.

[@seanmolloy2172]

@@LeKy-yd2zj I'd put him with the other 3. But with the last few playoff defeats, admittedly because of injuries, you can't put giannis above west or moses. Yet. Plus. If giannis is they, then jokic has to also be there.

[@LeKy-yd2zj]

@@seanmolloy2172 bro no disrespect but west only has 1 chip and no mvps, giannis is already up there. You can say west has more all-nba selections but that holds little weight compared to MVPs And agree about Jokic.

[@seanmolloy2172]

@@LeKy-yd2zj no mvps, yes. But he played at a time when only 5s won mvps, and had 4 second place finishes. Wes Unsell beat him for 1 of those. Love Wes, but come on. Plus, mvps aren't everything. Nash has as many as Shaq and Kobe.

[@LeKy-yd2zj]

@@seanmolloy2172 They both have one championship and fmvp. But Giannis has two extra mvps and one extra dpoy. That gives him the clear edge

[@Blacklist324]

LeBron has the most points but Kareem has made the most baskets and it's not even close. In fact the moment when LeBron reaches the 40,000 point mark, Kareem will still be the all-time leader in Field Goals made. That alone keeps him in the goat conversation. After all, putting the ball in the basket is what it's about, right.

[@mustafamete6567]

so now on in the game who scored more baskets not points, won the game? lol

[@rduse4125]

I like your logic. One to one, I like Bird over Magic…BUT, his rings speak for themselves. AND, I’ve just never liked Kareem. Back the defender down and hit the skyhook. Do that for 20 years and that’s the bulk of his legacy.

[@Xenon-h9z]

Bird _barely_ missed a buzzer beater in 87 (jumped out of the basket) against the Lakers that likely would have meant the Celtics won the 87 Championship, which would have made it 4-4.

[@MrSheduur]

Kobe had around 3-4 lackluster seasons in the end because he tried playing through a bunch of otherwise career ending injuries. You should honestly only consider the prime seasons for each player to really compare them, otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges. At the same time you HAVE to factor in the era they played in and up / downgrade certain numbers based on what the pace was in each era, otherwise there is absolutely zero use to even try and compare them. For example MJs numbers should be WAY increased over what Lebron puts up, simply because total average scoring numbers per game was alot lower than what we currently have, which means MJ had alot less opportunity to score that much or rebound that much because of the lower pace...

[@coreyc2528]

Majority of MJ’s career pace of play was similar to today’s game. Kobe was the one most impacted by the dead ball era. If you take Kobe’s 06 season and adjust it MJ’s 87 season Kobe would have averaged close to 40 ppg.

[@mustafamete6567]

Jordan playe 9 seasons at high pace, just 6 seasons with low pace. LeBron played 13 season at low pace, just 8 seasons at high pace. So if you gave them equality, Bron's number gonna be up :)

[@crystalizedExposed]

@@coreyc2528 you could say this about bron, duncan, shaq too. bron averaged 31 in the deadball era, shaq 29, duncan 25.

[@jeromecruz3237]

Louder!!! Kobe's achilles era really hurt his stats

[@Robertedwinhouse38]

You realize Lebron surpassed Jordan in scoring on way less shot attempts.

[@ejkboxing]

I'd like to see a video on NBA "game changers". I personally believe there's only seven throughout the NBA's history. - Russell (dominating & winning with defense) - Wilt (offense dominance), - Dr.J (artistry- lots of guys could do what Doc could do, but he just looked better doing it) - Magic (showmanship & winning through assists) - Jordan (total dominance on both ends, advanced artistry, showmanship & winning) - Dirk (1st big man,6'10"+ who dominated away from & facing the basket & a sniper from long distance) - Steph (great shooting from distance & in the paint) *A.I. was a culture changer & meant more to the fans around the world, but not a game changer (Isaiah was doing similar stuff & winning more). Everyone else were/are great basketball players, but didn't change the game. Guys like Kareem, LeBron & Shaq didn't do anything to change the game. Kareem created an unstoppable shot, but so did Bernard King, Dirk, George Gervin, & Tony Parker. *Kyrie is almost a game changer & a culture changer, but not quite.

[@cratwinterz200]

I’d argue Mikan, but that might be pre-NBA if you want to get technical.

[@ejkboxing]

@@cratwinterz200 There was nothing to change when Mikan played. He was one of the 1st players.

[@cratwinterz200]

@@ejkboxing Nothing to change? Mikan’s influence is pretty commonly cited as the reasoning behind the initial widening of the lane, Goaltending, and the shot clock. I assume that being the first superstar doesn’t count for changing as that’s more outside the game. But he’s also (from what I’ve found) one of the first bigs and the first really dominate one, something which definitely changed how teams worked for quite some time. If you’ll allow post career influence, he’s also the one who adopted the 3pt line into the ABA. (Not created though, common misconception but the first league with a 3pt line was actually the ABL a different league that had one season in the early 60s) Again, unless you’re being rather strict on defining NBA, I’d argue Mikan is one of the most influential individuals on basketball ever. Also, another name that came to mind for consideration is Ron Arrest. The Malice at the Palace changed how the NBA conducts officiating, security, and even alcohol sales from what I recall.

[@ejkboxing]

@@cratwinterz200 The NBA making changes to produce a better product doesn't count. Game changer means coaches, players & GMs change the way they're doing things because that one guy is killing them with his game changing style of play & performances. Mikan's style of play didn't make other players want to do what he was doing, or make coaches make special game-plans or make GMs look for another Mikan. Every center who came after him was better than him. You can't say that about any of the game changers. Guys were able to copy their styles & moves, but not become better than them. Meaning, better at what they did to change the game. Post career doesn't count since all players don't get to be execs for the NBA or rival leagues at the end of their playing careers. Also, Why would you only cite Ron Artest for the Malice in the Palace? There were fans (the instigators) & other players involved in that.

[@JuggaloSupreme]

Actually LeFlop changed the league a lot. He basically ruined it. Many of his MVPs are unearned, he doesn't play defense, and he basically took over flopping😂

[@ejkboxing]

You totally overlooked & disrespected Moses Malone (2x MVP, finals MVP numerous all defense & rebounding titles & dominated all centers he played against), just like everyone else. His main comp is Olajuwon. Baylor & McAdoo deserve some love too. Their career accomplishment & accolades are right there with the bottom ten guys.

[@beebee-ip8kc]

3x MVP!!! That was crazy!! KD?!?!?!

[@spooky-mulder]

All-time TEAM: Starters- C: Bill Russell PF: Hakeem Olajuwon SF: Kevin Garnett SG: Lebron James PG: Mahmoud Abdul Rauf Bench- 6: Kareem Abdul Jabbar 7: Tracy Mcgrady 8: Latrell Sprewell 9: Kyrie Irving 10: Dirk Nowitzki

[@isojoe125]

are you on crack?

[@tommyzhang8540]

Hakeem at 12 is crazy in my opinion

[@mannylora]

Great all time list. I put more emphasis on championships, highest peak, and being the “Batman” of your team so my list is slightly different: 1. Jordan 2. Lebron 3. Russell 4. Magic 5. Kareem 6. Bird 7. Duncan 8. Kobe 9. Shaq 10. Curry I put Russell 3rd because I can’t get over 11 championships in 13 years. He wasn’t the best offensively but he knew how to win and I value that a lot. He dominated Wilt who was the most dominate in history. I put Magic above Kareem because he was the better player on their team when they went to 9 finals together. I have Bird above Duncan because he had the higher peak with 3 consecutive MVPs and was better overall even though he doesn’t have the higher career stats having only played 13 seasons.

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Putting more emphasis on championships automatically invalidates your methodology

[@mrjermz5406]

Very respectable list, especially knowing that ranking Duncan over Kobe will be very unpopular. I want Wilt to be higher but can't argue your logic. Well done!

[@michaelmaccrazy]

I have Duncan ahead of Kobe myself. More FMVPs, more MVPs, more all-defensive. Thats just the basics.

[@Nuthinnull]

@@michaelmaccrazyKobe >

[@michaelmaccrazy]

@@Nuthinnull Okay…you’re a groupie. Carry on. 😂

[@Nuthinnull]

@@michaelmaccrazy Groupie? And that’s your argument? 💀😂💀

[@michaelmaccrazy]

@@Nuthinnull You literally said “Kobe>” 😂😂😂😂😂 Without stating any facts whatsoever. But it doesn’t matter. There is nothing you can say that I haven’t heard before. And Duncan is easily better. Kobe just played in a bigger market which attracts groupies…like you 😂

[@Michiiigring]

Damn that is a very good list tbh, i personally would interchange mj and bron also i would have included total stats on top of per game stats to value longevity but this list is almost exactly how my personal list looks like very cool

[@joejett5084]

I can respect this 🎯🎯🎯🎯 actually this really is the honest truth

[@geert574]

Lists need to be about the impact that player brings Wilt Jordan Bird Olajuwon Erving Kareem Lebron M Malone K Malone Duncan Pettit Hayes Stockton Shaq

[@KennethLSA]

#1. Michael Jordan #2. LeBron James #3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar #4. Wilt Chamberlain #5. Bill Russell #6. Kobe Bryant #7. Larry Bird #8. Magic Johnson #9. Tim Duncan #10. Stephen Curry #11. Hakeem Olajuwon #12. Shaquille O'Neal #13. Kevin Durant #14. Julius Erving #15. Jerry West #16. Oscar Robertson

[@michaeldavis6607]

How can the 2 guys that revitalized the NBA not be in the to p 5 Magic and Bird.

[@mja4wp]

Bird and Magic are solid top 10....I have Bird ahead of Magic simply because his D was better.....

[@crystalizedExposed]

making the nba popular doesn't make you a better basketball player

[@CornellBillingsWorth]

They didn’t really revolutionize anything…the 80s were just a revolutionary time in all of sports as far as marketing players and Magic and Bird were the best players of that weak era in the sport of basketball lol

[@patrickamtman4804]

My personal starting 5 is easily magic, Michael, LeBron, Timmy, and the diesel💯

[@PhoenixSuns1353]

Wow… the best way to wake up for Thanksgiving

[@Legitsky]

Making a “flawless” top 10 NBA player list is a big claim. But I watched the video twice and I take no issue with the way you constructed your list and the way you used data to support the order of players. My own personal list doesn’t look too different to yours. Intangible variables like a player’s impact and legacy can be tough to measure. But if we have to use the five major stat categories, advanced stats and awards like FMVPs, DPOYs, all defensive selections, etc it becomes difficult to accurately compare older players like Wilt and Bill to more modern players. So for that reason (amongst a few other reasons) I don’t have either of them in my top 10. Well made video my man. I hope to see more in the future. My personal, subjective top 10(ish) list: 1. Jordan 2. LeBron 3. Kareem 4. Magic 5. Bird 6. Kobe 7. Duncan 8. Shaq 9. Curry 10. Hakeem 11. Bill 12. Wilt 13. Moses 14. KD 15. Oscar

[@jasonlommen4769]

Wilt #12 and no Jerry West. WTF are you smoking dude. Your list is trash. Curry #9 😂

[@JT-km6th]

Hakeem is better than Shaq. I they swapped career and teammates, Shaq would retire with 0 rings whilst Hakeem would retire with at least 6

[@nsant2321]

i think thats fair i personally have shaq at 5 and hakeem at 6

[@JT-km6th]

@@nsant2321 why?

[@acsupreme2088]

Dr J has a top 10 case

[@treysolo925]

The only 2 legends that should be up for the 🐐 debate is M.J. & Kareem. In my mind M.J. is the 🐐. And this is coming from a Kobe fan. LeBron leap frogging the other legends on your list or anyone's list is just silly. We penalize K.D. for picking up 2 easy 💍💍, but that same logic NEVER applies to LeBron. 😅😅😅 Nice video. But I disagree with the order of your list. But we're all entitled to our own opinions.

[@krimezone]

Great point

[@michaeltrenier]

AGREED

[@treysolo925]

Thanks, @@krimezone .

[@treysolo925]

Thanks, @@michaeltrenier .

[@CornellBillingsWorth]

No but the problem is your opinions don’t have context so it’s invalid

[@jaycob1830]

No matter how statistical you get, there will always be opinion. I personally think Kobe should fall to at least 8th, or lower. Kevin Durant should be no where near the top 14, stay low top 20 even as a KD fan. Kevin Durant may be a “better” player than some of these guys, but he will never be “greater”. I also think Magic is a more athletic and better player than Bird, but Bird will always be greater for his drive, dedication, and resilience

[@snehpatel8213]

Tim Duncan is way too high, Kobe is too high, KD and Hakeem are a tad too low imo.

[@BradleyDavid1962]

I once read if Larry Legend is not on the Top 5 list, it's no list at all. I agree with this statement.

[@krimezone]

My list Jordan Wilt Hakeem Bird KAJ Magic Bill Kobe Shaq Steph I have to rewatch some Tim he will likely make back top 10

[@popdafourliketupacshakur6256]

Kudos to u for having enough knowledge to rank Wilt this high. Most people ignorantly rank him far lower thinking like complete causals about his loses and rings in general with no context which they magically remember when discussing players like horry pippen and jordan. So kudos to you for at least seeing wilt in a better light than most of the poisoned basketball culture today

[@krimezone]

@popdafourliketupacshakur6256 Well in terms of sheer dominance it is Wilt and Shaq so I don't know why the fuss on LeBron If it's that he is a big player that passes Magic did it first and Joker does it now If it's that he carried a weak team to the finals Hakeem and Kobe did that. Dirk beat the LeBron super team What metric are we using for LeBron greatness MJ was scoring leader 10 seasons on a row (that he played) since it was 7 in a row, retirement and them 3 in a row right after coming back. I'll take that over a player that kinda averages high in all areas but loses often and can't come through in the clutch like Jordan Bird Kobe And Wilt was holding back

[@popdafourliketupacshakur6256]

@@krimezone actually even wilt did that first. Lmao. Then magic then jokic

[@popdafourliketupacshakur6256]

@@krimezone tbh the fuss of Lebron and Jordan is insanity. It’s sad to see the media effortlessly feed the masses another matrix lebron or jordan red pill blue pill scenario like they do with so many other aspects of life they make money off of. It’s crazy

[@mattsell2361]

Everyone look a biased lebron hater

[@savcitynineties4845]

Great list . Although I disagree with Oscar. Me personally I would have all these guys before Oscar(in no order): David Robinson Julius Erving Jerry West Dwyane Wade Kevin Garnett Karl Malone Charles Barkley Giannis Antetokounmpo Nikola Jokic Bob Petit Moses Malone and I even think your formula may agree

[@Daveyboy_RS3]

You said other than Russell, Magic is the only player to ever win 5 Rings in 9 seasons. But Jordan won 6 in 8 seasons...

[@MrCody6925]

Dang I didn't know there we're only 100 HOFers

[@apexx_prime8313]

Just wish playoff stats were broken down like reg stats in the vid... I know u accounted for them a bit tho like when u talked on Wilt underperforming in the end

[@Zanzibarbarian88]

you should do a top ten ranking of defensive players

[@NickGiant127]

1Mj, 2Kobe, 3Wilt, 4Bird, 5Magic, 6Shaq, 7Russell, 8Kareem, 9Carter, 10 Iverson11Duncan then Lebron.

[@Editor_Hound]

Larry Legend at #8 is disrespectful. If anything, Larry and Magic should be tied. Although Larry is a more complete player than Magic.

[@mattsell2361]

The only reason I would say the majority of people have magic higher is because he has more championships. Bird I’m sure if bird was drafted to a team with the mvp on it he would have won more birds second best player was Kevin mcHale I’m pretty sure Kareem is better then mcHale. Taking away team success I don’t really see an argument for magic being a better basketball player than bird. Also bird should have 4-5 mvps because his 87 and 88 years were better then his mvp years. I just think it’s crazy we hate on lebron Durant and curry’s rings because we say oh they a super team of course they won. Yet lebrons best all time player d wade is arguably not a top 30 player all time. And magic and Kareem are routinely ranked in the top 5 together. So I would hope two top 5 players could win multiple championships. Same thing with Kobe we say yeah Kobe has 5 rings but 3 were with shaq. There’s never this talk with Kareem or magic

[@waldothewalrus294]

Bird was the better player but Magic had the better career and was better in the playoffs.

[@KariConn-v3d]

People always have Duncan over Shaq because of longevity when Shaq was bullying him and Robinson at the same time at his peak, yet they have MJ over Lebron when his longevity doesnt compare.

[@rrselanrebmatu2897]

they’re all good and great players, if you want to rank them just use their achievements.. Most NBA Trophies MJ-22 Russell-17 LBJ-16 Kareem-15 Magic-13 Duncan-12 Shaq-12 Kobe-12 Bird-11 Wilt-9 Curry-8 KD-8

[@CornellBillingsWorth]

What is your definition of a trophy? Lol

[@2rawww4tvkd]

MJ resume & finals record is already flawless. Everybody lose games & not perfect but in terms of a career he should be no question #1

[@mrho4speed]

FYI = Kareem actually won the 1980 FMVP AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award because CBS did not want to present the award to "an empty chair". What actually happened is covered in the book titled "Kareem" pages 140-141. Also Magic did not make an all defense team his entire career, so there are several players that need to move up past Magic IMO. Thanks.

[@dantealoving]

Magic lead the Showtime Lakers to the 3 highest team FG% in NBA history. With him running the show the Lakers shot .542% as a team. Magic is the greatest playmaker in NBA history. #4 is just about right.

[@mrho4speed]

@@dantealoving The Western conference was much weaker than the East. See Dave Heeren's "Basketball Abstract" for the comparison. All teams included East vs West = the East dominated the West every single year for all 10 years of the 80's. Defense in 50% of the game. Magic as a rookie needed special coaching as the zone Magic played ay MSU did not prepare Magic for the NBA. Norm Nixon was given the defensive assignment on the other PG. Magic was not a good defender = to hard to ignore that at this level.

[@dantealoving]

@@mrho4speed How did the East dominate the West in the 80s when Magic won 5 rings in the 80s 🤔

[@mrho4speed]

@@dantealoving The measurement was done for each regular season and totaled all games between the East vs West and involved all teams in each conference. The East dominated the West every year for all 10 years. This is chapter 11 in the book "Basketball Abstract". Dave Heeren was the statistician for ESPN and has covered the NBA for about 60+ years.

[@tpsam]

My list with my bias LeBron Jordan Wilt Kareem Hakeem Magic Bird Duncan Shaq Kobe Trying to be objective Mj LeBron Kareem Wilt Hakeem Magic Bird Duncan Shaq Kobe

[@ThatsWhatSheSaid9492]

1. MJ 2. LBJ 3. Kareem 4. Steph 5. Shaq 6. Russell 7. Larry 8. Magic 9. Hakeem 10. BANCHERO :)

[@dionysise5008]

I'll drop my list n then watch. 1.MJ 2.Bron 3.Kareem 4.Magic 5.Wilt 6.Bird 7.Duncan 8.Russel 9.Kobe 10.Shaq 11.Steph 12.Oscar 13.Dr J 14.Hakeem 15.Moses 16.West 17.KD 19.Thomas

[@eddiebuckets7688]

Solid list

[@massdagod]

Whos 18?

[@dionysise5008]

@@massdagod How about Joker

[@BrayanSaverino]

good list

[@d3adyoutubeaccount]

Kobe at 9 but Magic at 4? Casual take

[@GuiBu-m7w]

It is hard cause u have to considerate adversity....that s why Bill not in my 10...but he s not far. And i am not sure LeBron would score so much vs 90's défense...but he is one of greatest! and i put him 5...a good place. To me: 1 MJ (and maybe for ever..) 2 Kobe 3 Wilt 4 Kareem 5 James 6 Curry 7 Bird 8 Magic 9 Olajuwon(could be the surprise..but yes... and before Shaq... never forget the Dream) 10 Shaq (Maybe Duncan 11... but after too hard..too many good players...

[@GuiBu-m7w]

This team, all at their prime...😅

[@RayAvkD]

My top 10 all time NBA players. 1: Karl Malone ( my favorite pedophile) 2: Lin sanity 3: Flight Reacts 4: Drakes snake 5: Ishowspeed 6: Josh Giddey 7: Steph Curry after the Olympics 8: Bronny James 9: LeBrons hairline 10: A florida man

[@Rgbk-rx1nl]

Great on everything but one thing was forgotten. Eras.

[@TFG377]

Good idea on paper, but clearly numbers & stats lie to a small extent. Or at least don’t tell the whole story. There’s far more factors. 1.) Michael Jordan 2.) Larry Bird 3.) Kobe Bryant (or Lebron James) 4.) Lebron James (or Kobe Bryant) 5.) Magic Johnson And then after that I’m not too sure yet or anymore lol 😅 And my Favs list? 1.) Larry Bird 2.) Lebron James (or Kobe Bryant) 3.) Kobe Bryant (or Lebron James 4.) Pete Marovich 5.) Michael Jordan 6.) Jason Williams 7.) Steve Nash And idk after that for sure 😅 Crazy tho you only gave a B to Birds legacy. That’s insane 😅😂 Also the B on Team success. We still talking about the same Celtics right? Only lost a couple games Celtics? Where Bird helped take to the Finals & Win for them even more? And MJ couldn’t even beat him and his team? What?

[@elive689]

The list is actually perfect especially tim duncan and kobes spots but I would take Steph out honestly.

[@willieluncheonette5843]

MO the 3 best of all time are in no order Wilt, Michael and Lebron. Then in no order, just off the top of me head....Russell, Oscar, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, West, Steph, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, Elgin, Dr. J......after that I would have to think about it

[@and1tv85]

Disrespect to Wilt , this dude need to search more about Wilt

[@ryanjohnson7317]

Bro, you saying kobe wasn't a drive on his first three rings means you literally don't know ball. Watch the tape on all three years going through the western conference. If kobe doesn't take over for his team in the west. Shaq doesn't feast on the weak east centers. They don't get to the chip. Those years 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@antonioiniguez1615]

Using letter grades severely hurts the methodology. Why not use a simple standardized and weighted composite score?

[@Carvis23]

Where is Moses Malone?

[@rabidgrinder5996]

This is an incredibly disappointing list. Simply putting LeBron on this list is an insult to the truly great legends who showed us what it meant to be a competitive leader every time they stepped on the court. I mean take a look at the list, all except LeBron were the leaders of their team. LeBron has consistently been the second best or worse on his team in the post season. He also has more whine than a vineyard when the calls don't go his way. Disrespecting Kobe like that... His first 3 years were from the bench, while the Shaq led team failed to win a ring. Once Phil arrived and made Kobe a starter is when the dominance started taking place. Thus Kobe's overall stats are not what they should be. Just insulting. Also, the gap between Larry and Magic appears to be a Lakers bias or a lack of historical knowledge about Larry and what he accomplished immediately in Boston. Larry and Magic made a great rivalry and saved the NBA for the fact that they were both so amazing and competitive, especially with one another.

[@ridisulo2978]

Bird was a better player than Magic and had less help so those 5 rings don't do enough for me to give him the nudge. Larry's peak was 2nd/3rd best all time if we're being honest, he just had unfortunate health issues and was white lol. LeBron's longevity when weighed against how utterly atrocious his bottom is ( look no further than the most pathetic finals performance of all time in 2011 ) doesn't make for a compelling case. He had the easiest path the finals his entire time while on the East minus the first year the Boston Big 3 formed and his late career stats are wildly inflated as a product of the league being as dogshit as it has been recently. He's top 5, maybe 3 at best but we can stop giving him too much credit already he's just not a winner compared to the other greats.

[@ArturoRabago-k5d]

I’m a big Larry fan. He’s my number one pick of all time. To say that magic was the one who saved the nba is not being fair to Larry. Larry bird and Magic BOTH saved the nba together. Really the only thing that bothered me about this video.

[@mmldtop6005]

Casual. You do not understand greatness and how to rank them. Offense and defense has little to do with it. Cant blame you as 99% of fans are like you

[@ericmoss7424]

You did a complete hatchet job on the Dream. Except for Jordan and Lebron none of the others were doing any better with his cast of teammates, particularly from the late 80's to early early 90's. Not to mention the level of coaching. No Auerbach, Jackson, Riley, or Pop. The seasons he had ANY real support including his first finals, he made the conference finals or the finals. He is so disrespected in history.

[@mytruthismoreuseful]

Does 2 rings 2 finals MVPs & 2 DPOTY awards mean nothing to you??

[@JoeBuck-uc3bl]

The backcourt ABSOLUTELY has to be Jordan and Steph!!

[@mja4wp]

KAJ, Bird and Jordan in any top 3....the rest is subject to debate...I would wait 8 more years to see how some of the surging stars and new young talent pans out...could be that top 3 will not hold up....the rest of the top 10 is open for debate.

[@awesomereviews1561]

For the basic stats you could have use “per hundred possessions”, it would have somehow neglected the difference in rules and speed of play. Then adding a Winning category is also important as not all titles are created equal. Hakeem 2 titles, Kobe last 2 titles and MJ final title are the amongst the hardest run of all time. Also it’s not consistent that you knocked down Kobe a peg or two for help but didn’t mention it for Magic or Kareem (and they also had Worthy, it was a big 3 really, not a duo). Other than that, good video.

[@hakeemolajuwon4352]

No kid, unless you're comparing players skill sets and tendencies, you're not even talking basketball

[@awesomereviews1561]

@@hakeemolajuwon4352What point are you even talking about grandpa?

[@massdagod]

Wilt chamberlain actually only averaged 22ppg for his Playoff career, not 24ppg.

[@JT-km6th]

Lol for real? I guess when the part-time summer school teachers went home during the playoffs it wasn't as easy to average 50.

[@chrisoneill4865]

Your letter grade for birds team success, and basic stats is a little low. A stacked eastern conference for his entire career, on top of Houston and the Lakers in the finals. And when you consider he was diminished by injuries his last 5 years, I think those should both be a bit higher. Other than that, this list is perfect for me.

[@MrSheduur]

The awards and all those total stats things have to be divided by seasons played. If you want to really compare how good somebody is, you cannot really compare someone who played 20 seasons with someone who just played 11 seasons. The guy with 11 seasons played may have won every possible award each season, but the guy who played 20 won the same stuff in 12 seasons, but went without any of them in 8. You really think the guy who played 20 seasons is the overall better player? Also career altering injuries should be factored in aswell. You cannot take seasons at the end of someones career when they had injuries like a Bill Walton, or Kobe Bryant, who were basically completely different players after those injuries. What we do in those comparisons is way too simplified and will never be a true comparison.

[@rileyluther8083]

I see only maybe 4 or 5 Kobe like shots made every season now. Kobe made those kinda shots 4 or 5 times a GAME. He’s top 5. I’d place him ahead of magic and Duncan at the 4 spot. But I’m not upset with him being 6th.

[@mclarenceweiss]

The real flawless list no bs no overrated rings 1 - LeBron James 2 - Michael Jordan 3-4 Shaq and KD 5-6 Kobe and Curry 7 -8 Olajuwon and Kareem 9 -10 Jokic and Duncan 11-12 Magic and Doncic 13 -14 Bird and Giannis 15 - Victor Wembanyama ( floor prediction) - means tie The real top 10 +5 bonus nba players of all time

[@Marilyn-x3r6d]

You have Bird criminally low

[@Anonymityfan]

Nah Wilt as 10 is crazy

[@jlc2]

Offensive stats are easier to come by today and consequently trying to be equitable by comparing advanced stats will be futile because of rule changes in the early 2000's. (No hand checking today) Today's NBA is almost a different game then when Bird Hakeem and MJ played. There is no way to objectively compare these players apples to apples. It's like comparing cantaloupe and honey dew melons. It's all about preference. It's way too subjective. Golden Era basketball was like watching Chess. People got bored of how slow it was and how low scoring it could be at times especially between two defensive masters. The NBA has now become checkers. Fast and high scoring.

[@Ramos7555]

Kobe Bryant created the super teams that we know today because he beat the Celtics big 3. You forgot about that. Legacy and eye test should be A+.

[@Xenon-h9z]

lol'd.

[@cial67]

And eye test is an argument for flat earthers. Kobe was an inefficient chucker. But glad it looked pretty to you and therefore, like the flat-earthers, you think you're smarter than math 😅😅

[@langtam5959]

Have you even seen Larry Bird play I think you rely on stats to much